Commons:Deletion requests/File:Demilitarized Zone of Korea 05.JPG
Is is covered by North Korea's FoP? Ecemaml talk to me/habla conmigo 06:49, 8 April 2013 (UTC)
- Speedy keep. Yes, FoP law in North Korea states that "A copyrighted work may be used without the permission of the copyright owner [...] When a copyrighted work in public places is copied." See COM:FOP. And since this is obviously installed on the northern side of the demarcation line, we don't have to consider the non-commercial FoP in South Korea. De728631 (talk) 17:06, 8 April 2013 (UTC)
Hi, maybe I didn't explained very well. The issue is not FoP in itself, but whether this picture was taken in a public place or not. It seems to be clearly indoors, so that, without a clear statement of where it was taken, I don't think FoP can be argued in a straightforward way. --Ecemaml talk to me/habla conmigo 17:16, 8 April 2013 (UTC)
Comment North Korean law seems to require that the object is at a public place whereas the camera can be anywhere. You are confusing COM:FOP#Korea (North) with COM:FOP#Germany which instead requires that the camera is at a public place whereas the object can be anywhere. I have no idea if this is a public place or not. --Stefan4 (talk) 18:06, 8 April 2013 (UTC)
I took this in a place especially prepared for tourists. These pictures are hanging in this room, where visitors first get some information about the border and have the opportunity afterwards to buy some souveniers in the same public room. --Nicor (talk) 19:31, 8 April 2013 (UTC) by the way, there is actually no single room in hole north korea where these pictures are not hanging inside. --Nicor (talk) 19:32, 8 April 2013 (UTC)
- Is that room only open to tourists or also to ordinary Koreans? I'm not sure if it is a public place if ordinary Koreans can't enter the room. --Stefan4 (talk) 20:16, 8 April 2013 (UTC)
- Does that makes any difference for this deletion request? --Nicor (talk) 12:20, 19 April 2013 (UTC)
- You can only take a photo of the photos if the photos are in a public place, and if the room isn't open for ordinary Koreans but only for foreign tourists, then it might not be a public place. --Stefan4 (talk) 18:43, 19 April 2013 (UTC)
- Does that makes any difference for this deletion request? --Nicor (talk) 12:20, 19 April 2013 (UTC)
- The german Wikipedia says a public institution is a facility that ist provided to a certain group for public use. Besides North Korean people are not at all allowed to go or move where they want to. Not even to other cities. But that does not mean that cities in North Korea aren't public places. It's a lack of freedom, not a lack of public sphere. --Nicor (talk) 16:30, 20 April 2013 (UTC)
- The question is not how German law defines a public institution (Öffentliche Einrichtung) but how North Korean law defines a public place (공공장소, konggong changso). To that question I have no answer, and presumably no one here knows how it is defined. --Stefan4 (talk) 21:24, 20 April 2013 (UTC)
- So then there is no need for action. --Nicor (talk) 10:02, 21 April 2013 (UTC)
- The question is not how German law defines a public institution (Öffentliche Einrichtung) but how North Korean law defines a public place (공공장소, konggong changso). To that question I have no answer, and presumably no one here knows how it is defined. --Stefan4 (talk) 21:24, 20 April 2013 (UTC)
- The german Wikipedia says a public institution is a facility that ist provided to a certain group for public use. Besides North Korean people are not at all allowed to go or move where they want to. Not even to other cities. But that does not mean that cities in North Korea aren't public places. It's a lack of freedom, not a lack of public sphere. --Nicor (talk) 16:30, 20 April 2013 (UTC)
Kept: Appears that this is compatible with NK law James F. (talk) 02:43, 10 May 2013 (UTC)
No FoP for indoor works in North Korea A1Cafel (talk) 12:46, 19 March 2021 (UTC)
- @MGA73: Some years ago, you said that these files from DMZ are generally ok, by "they are not eligible for copyright", would you please explain your rationale is still valid here or not? Probably {{PD-North Korea}}? --Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 02:09, 24 March 2021 (UTC)
- @Liuxinyu970226: I don't remember and I can't find the discussion where I should have said that files from DMZ are okay. But looking at the discussion I see no reason why FOP should not apply.
- @A1Cafel: You say that FOP does not apply indoor. Could you tell more about why you think that? Have you found something in the laws of North Corea? Have you read a verdict from a North Korean court? --MGA73 (talk) 07:32, 24 March 2021 (UTC)
- Not everyone can go to the Demilitarized Zone freely. IMO it cannot be regarded as "public space". --A1Cafel (talk) 07:49, 24 March 2021 (UTC)
- This is the reason I wonder if PD-North Korea tag applies here or not, since it mentions "It is a "work whose publication, issuance, performance, broadcasting, show and exhibition is prohibited" in the Democratic People's Republic of Korea". --Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 08:22, 24 March 2021 (UTC)
- Not everyone can go to the Demilitarized Zone freely. IMO it cannot be regarded as "public space". --A1Cafel (talk) 07:49, 24 March 2021 (UTC)
Kept: according to Nicor, in the previous request, this image was made in a public space. In North Korean law as described on Commons no difference is made between indoor our outdoor. So this image can be kept. --Ellywa (talk) 18:59, 12 December 2021 (UTC)
