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== Media coverage ==
I've tidied up the table, but any more citations for broadcasters would be helpful. Under USA, I shifted [[ESPN3]] to 'Internet' as it appears to be an internet-only channel, though I can't find a source to confirm they're definitely broadcasting the Champions Trophy anyway. I'm guessing [[Sky Sports]] are the main TV broadcaster for the UK, but I haven't yet found anything to confirm this. [[User:Ecce Thump|Ecce Thump]] ([[User talk:Ecce Thump|talk]]) 17:58, 15 May 2013 (UTC)

== Rules and Regulations ==
The grammar of the rules and regulations sections needs to be improved.  Errors include "that which" instead of "that" or "which" and a number of instances where the subject and verb do no match.  <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/76.65.206.240|76.65.206.240]] ([[User talk:76.65.206.240|talk]]) 16:28, 6 June 2013 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

== Edit request on 6 June 2013 ==

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[[Special:Contributions/86.173.238.64|86.173.238.64]] ([[User talk:86.173.238.64|talk]]) 19:18, 6 June 2013 (UTC)
:[[File:Pictogram voting wait.svg|20px|link=|alt=]] '''Already done'''<!-- Template:EP --> in {{diff|2013 ICC Champions Trophy|next|559192493|this diff}}.--[[User:Snaevar|Snaevar]] ([[User talk:Snaevar|talk]]) 23:17, 11 June 2013 (UTC)

== Edit request on 14 June 2013 ==

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{{cot|Match details}}
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{{Limited overs matches
| date = {{anchor|match9}} 14 June 2013
| time = 10:30
| team1 = {{cr-rt|RSA}}
| team2 = {{cr|WIN}}
| score1 = 230/6 (31 overs)
| score2 = 190/6 (26.1 overs)
| runs1 = [[Colin Ingram]] 73 (63)
| wickets1 = [[Dwayne Bravo]] 2/43 (5 overs)
| runs2 = [[MN Samuels]] 48 (52)
| wickets2 = [[DW Steyn]] 2/33 (6 overs)
| result = Match tied (D/L method)
| report = [http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/match/578622.html Scorecard]
| venue = [[SWALEC Stadium]], [[Cardiff]]
| umpires = [[Steve Davis (umpire)|Steve Davis]] (Aus) and [[Rod Tucker]] (Aus)
| motm = CA Ingram (South Africa)
| toss = West Indies won the toss and elected to field.
| rain = Rain delayed the start of play until 14:30 and reduced the match to 31 overs per team. Further rain delay at 18:38. Further West Indies have target for 191 runs in 26.1 overs
| notes = 
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[[User:Kumar Pushpendra|Kumar Pushpendra]] ([[User talk:Kumar Pushpendra|talk]]) 19:53, 14 June 2013 (UTC)
:[[File:Pictogram voting wait.svg|20px|link=|alt=]] '''Already done'''<!-- Template:ESp --> Thanks. <span style="font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold;color:#000;">[[User:Begoon|<span style="color:#0645AD;">Begoon</span>]]&thinsp;[[User talk:Begoon|<span style="color:gray;"><sup>talk</sup></span>]]</span> 02:56, 15 June 2013 (UTC)

== Edit request on 14 June 2013 ==

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In leading Run scorers table, Indian flag embossed for Hashim Amla.. He belongs to South Africa..
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[[Special:Contributions/175.100.160.59|175.100.160.59]] ([[User talk:175.100.160.59|talk]]) 22:09, 14 June 2013 (UTC)
:[[File:Pictogram voting wait.svg|20px|link=|alt=]] '''Already done'''<!-- Template:ESp --> in [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=2013_ICC_Champions_Trophy&diff=559940015&oldid=559938525 this edit]. Thanks. <span style="font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold;color:#000;">[[User:Begoon|<span style="color:#0645AD;">Begoon</span>]]&thinsp;[[User talk:Begoon|<span style="color:gray;"><sup>talk</sup></span>]]</span> 02:52, 15 June 2013 (UTC)

== Ball tampering ==

[http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/cricket/22919249 BBC article] could be of some use. '''[[User:Lugnuts|<span style="color:#002bb8;">Lugnuts</span>]]''' <sup>[[User talk:Lugnuts|Dick Laurent is dead]]</sup> 08:31, 17 June 2013 (UTC)

== Rules for Semi-Final wash-outs ==

On Sky Sports yesterday, I'm sure I heard one of the commentators say that if a semi-final was washed out, the group winner would advance to the final. Can anyone confirm this? I can't find a source online, although my searching may be flawed... Thanks. '''[[User:Lugnuts|<span style="color:#002bb8;">Lugnuts</span>]]''' <sup>[[User talk:Lugnuts|Dick Laurent is dead]]</sup> 08:28, 18 June 2013 (UTC)

:From [http://icc-live.s3.amazonaws.com/cms/media/about_docs/518bd603e8177-ICCCT2013_Playing_conditions_PublicVersion_Final_10_4_13.pdf Playing conditions], which is linked from [http://www.icc-cricket.com/champions-trophy/about/243/playing-conditions the main ICC Champions Trophy site] (page 22 of pdf):
:{{cquote|1="'''21.10.2 Semi Final'''

If a semi-final is tied, the teams shall compete in a Super Over to determine which team progresses to the final. Refer attached Appendix 8.
If following a tie, weather conditions prevent the Super Over from being completed, or if the match is a no result, then the Group winners shall progress to the Final.

'''21.10.3 Final'''

In the event of a tied Final, the teams shall compete in a Super Over to determine which team is the winner. Refer attached Appendix 8.
If following a tie, weather conditions prevent the Super Over from being completed, or if the match is a no result, the teams will be declared joint winners."}}
:<span style="font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold;color:#000;">[[User:Begoon|<span style="color:#0645AD;">Begoon</span>]]&thinsp;[[User talk:Begoon|<span style="color:gray;"><sup>talk</sup></span>]]</span> 08:50, 18 June 2013 (UTC)

:::That doesn't quite answer Lugnuts' question, which was about a washout. Declaring teams joint winners won't help proceedings much in a tournament like this either. [[User:HiLo48|HiLo48]] ([[User talk:HiLo48|talk]]) 08:55, 18 June 2013 (UTC)

::::It's the ICC document that I believe applies. I read "or if the match is a no result, then the Group winners shall progress to the Final." as answering the question - but I guess you could interpret it differently. I agree, joint winners is a crap out, but that's what it says. <span style="font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold;color:#000;">[[User:Begoon|<span style="color:#0645AD;">Begoon</span>]]&thinsp;[[User talk:Begoon|<span style="color:gray;"><sup>talk</sup></span>]]</span> 09:10, 18 June 2013 (UTC)

::::I didn't see anything about rescheduling matches, and the mere fact that there is a "tie-breaker" or "sharing" like this mooted implies to me that there is no such provision - but I didn't read the whole thing yet. <span style="font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold;color:#000;">[[User:Begoon|<span style="color:#0645AD;">Begoon</span>]]&thinsp;[[User talk:Begoon|<span style="color:gray;"><sup>talk</sup></span>]]</span> 09:25, 18 June 2013 (UTC)

Ah, here you go. You're right - it's clear as mud:
{{cquote|7.2.6 If the match is abandoned as a no result, the ICC Match Referee shall consult with the relevant hosting authority and the Event Technical Committee with the objective of finding a way for a new match to be commenced and completed on the same date (including any reserve day) and venue.
7.2.7 Such a match may be played either on the repaired pitch or on another pitch, subject to the ICC Match Referee and the relevant ground authority both being satisfied that the new pitch will be of the required ODI standard. The playing time lost between the scheduled start time of the original match and the actual start time of the new match will be covered by the provisions of clauses 12 and 16 below.
7.2.8 If it is not possible to play a new match on the scheduled day of the match (including any reserve day), the Event Technical Committee shall agree on whether the match can be replayed within the existing tour tournament schedule.
7.2.9 Throughout the above decision making processes, the ICC Match Referee shall keep informed both captains and the head of the ground authority. The head of the ground authority shall ensure that suitable and prompt public announcements are made.
NOTE: In the event of a new match being played the points from the abandoned match (no result) will not be taken into account.}}
But that's from a section about dangerous pitches that starts:
{{cquote|7.2.1 In the event of a pitch being considered too dangerous for play to continue in the estimation of the on-field umpires, they shall stop play and immediately advise the ICC Match Referee.}} 

and finally, we have:
{{cquote|21.2.2 Save for circumstances where a match is awarded to a team as a consequence of the opposing team’s refusal to play (Law 21.3), all matches in which both teams have not had an opportunity of batting for a minimum of 20 overs, shall be declared no result.}}
Like I say, clear as mud. I guess it comes down to "are there any reserve days?", and are they used for washouts?" and I can't see the answer to that. If I had to bet, I'd bet on the Sky guy being right, but it's by no means clear cut from all that... <span style="font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold;color:#000;">[[User:Begoon|<span style="color:#0645AD;">Begoon</span>]]&thinsp;[[User talk:Begoon|<span style="color:gray;"><sup>talk</sup></span>]]</span> 09:29, 18 June 2013 (UTC)

:Wow! Thanks for the replies. Haha, you'd think it would be straight forward.  Speaking of reserve days, odd they've got the final on a Sunday. Would be better to have it on the Saturday to use the Sunday, if needed. '''[[User:Lugnuts|<span style="color:#002bb8;">Lugnuts</span>]]''' <sup>[[User talk:Lugnuts|Dick Laurent is dead]]</sup> 09:59, 18 June 2013 (UTC)

::One more, from the ticketing info: https://www.eticketing.co.uk/icc-champions-trophy-2013/staticpages/faqs.aspx#reserve_day
{{quote| '''Are there any reserve days?'''<p>
There is not a reserve day planned for the Final of the Tournament at this stage.}}
::Keeping their options open?
::<span style="font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold;color:#000;">[[User:Begoon|<span style="color:#0645AD;">Begoon</span>]]&thinsp;[[User talk:Begoon|<span style="color:gray;"><sup>talk</sup></span>]]</span> 10:10, 18 June 2013 (UTC)

:::Have faith in the Great British Summer.  With this, Wimbledon, Glastonbury and The Ashes, what could go wrong... '''[[User:Lugnuts|<span style="color:#002bb8;">Lugnuts</span>]]''' <sup>[[User talk:Lugnuts|Dick Laurent is dead]]</sup> 11:29, 18 June 2013 (UTC)

:Lord Gower on Sky Sports has just said that if no play happens today, there is no spare day and both sides share the trophy. '''[[User:Lugnuts|<span style="color:#002bb8;">Lugnuts</span>]]''' <sup>[[User talk:Lugnuts|Dick Laurent is dead]]</sup> 10:03, 23 June 2013 (UTC)