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== CSS ==

I modified this template to use a new CSS style that hides table rows if the corresponding parameters are left blank. This system also means we no longer need to call a sub-template, eliminating any conflict with [[WP:AUM]]. No article edits are required by these changes. &mdash;[[User:Papayoung|Papayoung]] [[User_talk:Papayoung|☯]] 05:14, 17 October 2005 (UTC)

== TfD nomination of Template:River ==

[[Template:River]] has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at [[Wikipedia:Templates for deletion#Template:River]]. Thank you.--[[User:Wikiacc|Wikiacc]] [[User talk:Wikiacc|(talk)]] 19:58, 18 October 2005 (UTC)
:Note: The original Template river has been deleted and that name is now used for the WikiProject talk page template. [[User:Rmhermen|Rmhermen]] 18:03, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

== Disambig fix ==

I've redirected "basin" to [[drainage basin|watershed]], as that is the most reasonable option on the disambig page - but that makes two links to [[drainage basin|watershed]] in this article, so you may wish to find an alternative expression. [[User:BD2412|<span style="background:lightgreen;">''BD2412''</span>]] [[User talk:BD2412|'''T''']] 01:16, 6 December 2005 (UTC)

== What happened? ==

I don't know anything about the creation of templates, but I've noticed that the static descriptors (Origin, Length, Basin countries, etc.) have disappeared from the finished infobox, so that now there's just a list of countries and numbers with no information about what they refer to.  See the Volga example at top.  What happened?  Can anybody fix it? [[User:Malepheasant|Malepheasant]] 00:11, 23 April 2006 (UTC)
*The change was reverted and it's fine now, so... thanks! -- [[User:Malepheasant|Malepheasant]] 06:43, 23 April 2006 (UTC)
*Sorry about that. A new feature, '#if:' (see [[m:ParserFunctions]]), was built into the MediaWiki software by the developers to replace 'hiddenStructure' and 'qif'. I was converting this to that new format so it will be ready when those older methods are removed. I made a mistake in the line spacing which caused the problem, but it should be corrected now. Please let me know if there are other issues. --[[User:CBDunkerson|CBDunkerson]] 13:10, 23 April 2006 (UTC)

== Why no elevation at the mouth? ==

I realize many major rivers flow into the sea, but many rivers flow into other rivers. It seems that it would be useful to include the elevation of the river at the mouth. If it is sea level, this could be left blank or entered as "sea level" (or whatever the accepted term is). Thanks, [[User:Ruhrfisch|Ruhrfisch]] 04:25, 25 July 2006 (UTC)
*I agree that this would be a useful addition. [[User:Malepheasant|Malepheasant]] 03:39, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
*I agree as well.  This would also help us identify rivers that are essentially at risk of sea level rise vs. those that are less threatened. [[User:MCalamari|MCalamari]] 18:24, 26 October 2006 (UTC)


== Annual Discharge Volume ==

In addition to talking about river discharge as a flowrate (cfs), for water supply purposes US engineers look to the annual volume of water without any time reference.  The common unit of discharge is acre-feet or thousands of acre-feet.  Could we add a second discharge box called "discharge volume" to supplement the "discharge flowrate"?  Discharge volumes are also very important on rivers that are dammed, as any reservoir storage volume or capacity is somewhat related (based on the design needs of the structure) to the annual discharge volume.  (Flood pools will still be set to discharge flowrates, but storage pools will tend to focus on the longer time averaged volume.) [[User:MCalamari|MCalamari]] 18:30, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

==Examples==
If anybody is interested in working examples, check out [[Chicopee River Watershed]]. This has a top-level menu with links to the major rivers (as well as other waterbodies) within this river system. I think the existing template will handle just about anything one would want in an ''introduction'', which is what an infobox really is anyway. Of course you can have rivers with three (maybe more) heads as in the [[Swift River(Ware River)|Swift River]] entry, but I just put the '''longest''' branch for the head in the infobox, with further explaination is the text. It seems to work out okay. -- [[User:LymanSchool|LymanSchool]] 01:17, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

== Duplicate wikilinks in template ==

I noticed that there are two wikilinks to [[Source (river or stream)]] in the Template:Infobox River ("Origin" and "Source Elevation"). Per [[WP:MOS]] shouldn't there be just one link? Thanks, [[User:Ruhrfisch|Ruhrfisch]] 05:00, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

== New version ==

Hello, I've created a new version for the Infobox template. For the time being it's at [[Template:Geobox River]]. It's based on the same css and logic as [[Template:Infobox City]] and [[Template:Infobox Country]] thus aiming to have all geography related infoboxes in the same layout. The new template can be used for both short local streams as well as huge river with a lot of data about such as the [[Amazon]], where I gave it a kick-off. Let's try to use it for a while from its current location and if it proves usefull, it could, hopefully, replace this one. If you have any question feel free to post them on my talk page. [[User:Caroig|Caroig]] 21:26, 26 December 2006 (UTC)

:I like the inclusion of source and mouth coordinates. Since there are already many rivers with infoboxes, I suggest using parameters with the same name as in the present infobox. [[User:Markussep|Markussep]] 21:38, 26 December 2006 (UTC)

::I see the point and I've given it a thought when working on the new template but it contains (resp. can contain) much more data and so some field cannot be simply reused. Take ''elevation'', in the old template it's used for the mouth elevation, the new template has fields for both source elevation and mouth elevation. The same applies , e.g., for ''caption'' as in the new template there can be a caption for both the map and the image.  Nonetheless, some field names remain the same, 'e.g.' ''length'', ''watershed''.

:::Did you announce your new template at [[Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Rivers]] already? [[User:Markussep|Markussep]] 11:59, 27 December 2006 (UTC)

== Discussion of new version ==

Would it be possible to include a completed sample of the visual presentation of the new version for discussion (or a link to a page on which it is being used)?  My first thought is that a photograph at the top might make for a more inviting (and varied) introduction to an article than a map (as with Infobox city).  --[[User:Malepheasant|Malepheasant]] 00:39, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
: Okay, now I see that examples are linked from the bottom of the [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Rivers|WikiProject Rivers]] page. --[[User:Malepheasant|Malepheasant]] 00:53, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
When using the old template, I often like to include citations for some details, such as a [[GNIS]] reference for geographic coordinates and elevations. ([[Monday Creek]] for an example.) This is especially useful for details (like geographic coordinates) that don't really flow well in the text of an article, and helps reduce the need for inline citations in the body by moving them to the infobox.  Is there a way to introduce citations into a more complex template such as this one?  I gave it a try just now and it seemed to cause errors and jumbled text. --[[User:Malepheasant|Malepheasant]] 01:36, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
: I'm afraid this isn't possible, the new infobox acts rather like a database, so the input fields need to be just plain numeric or textual values. I haven't encountered this when creating the new infobox. It might be possible to include say source_location_citation (etc.) fields if required. – [[User:Caroig|Caroig]] 06:54, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
:: There is at least one Featured Article, [[Paulins Kill]], in which sources are cited within the fields of the old infobox.  I also found [[Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style#Information that.27s only in the Infobox.3F|this discussion]] on the Manual of Style talk page concerning the propriety of including information in the infobox that is not in the main text of the article (summary: it's an acceptable practice when presentation of the information would interfere with good prose, but sources must be cited.)   So I'd be sadly opposed to entirely replacing the old template unless this could be addressed.  I like having more informational fields to work with, but I think that having the flexibility to cite sources as needed is highly important, and that the new version as it exists presently would appear to be quite disruptive to existing citations. --[[User:Malepheasant|Malepheasant]] 19:41, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

I like the new infobox, but agree with Malepheasant that a picture would better first. The [[Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style#Images|MOS]] says to start the article with a right aligned image, and while a map is certainly an image, I think a photograph is generally better. It is also easier for most editors to take a photo than to make a map, so the first image should be the one that is easier to obtain. I also think that most readers will get a better first idea of the river by seeing a picture of it than by seeing a map. <p>Despite the labels, I suppose there is nothing to stop someone from using a photo first, then putting the map in second (any image could go in either place, with a proper caption, just the labels would be "wrong"). Would it make sense to label the fields Image One and Image Two (and Caption One and Caption Two)? Then the "directions" could explain one is for a map and the other a photo, and give a preferred order but leave it up to the editor?</p><p>Last question: Is there an easy way to translate old river infoboxes to the new one, or do we just have to paste in the old data by hand? I would like to update some articles' boxes, but also want to wait until the new box is the final version. Thanks for doing this! [[User:Ruhrfisch|Ruhrfisch]] 15:55, 16 January 2007 (UTC)</p>

:First, thanks for the feedback. Before I reply let me say a few words about why I created this template. It's not so much about the graphic style but rather about the information it contains, what purpose the infobox serves. In my view, the role of infoboxes is to summarize the important data in a uniform way so no matter what the article is about, the reader should find the information (such as country, region, map, length, height etc.) in the same place. There are, as I see it, too many articles (not only about rivers), where I am rather surprised what data find in the infobox and also many others where the infoboxes contain short stories (like ''the stream lies some km northest from the village center'') which I think belong to the article. I got inspired by the [[Template: Infobox Country]] and [[Template:Infobox City]] which too are rather strict concerning the data they can contain and don't allow for stories in them. I'm not saying this is the right view, it's how I see it and therefore I decided to rather create a new infobox from scratch than to change the current template. (I created two more templates using the same style and syntax [[Template:Infobox Mountain Range]] and [[Template:Infobox Mountain Summit]]).

:Anyway, as for the suggestions mentioned above:
* '''map or picture first''' - I can add a switch to the template which would allow to use either map or a photograph first. Or if just a photograph exists put it first, otherwise put the map first. I would rather keep ''map'' and ''image'' fields as it is easier to manipulate the fields for an automated system (transfer to another database any future template change). I personally like the map first because the photograph is not always very representative as it shows just a selected section of the river. 
* '''automated translation of infoboxes''' - If there's enough interest in that, there are two ways how to achieve that. I could create an intermediary template which would analyze the old infobox (I'm not sure if MediaWiki syntax is powerful enough to achieve that) and insert the new one with the data appropriatly filled in. Or, and that might be easier for me and producing a cleaner code, write a PHP script that would read the old infobox and produce the code for the new, that would have to be on my server. In both cases it would have to somehow strip the values if they are too story-like.
* '''citations in the infobox''' - Should there be a way to do so or not? Would it make the infobox again rather messy? 

:I suggest moving this discussion to [[Template_talk:Infobox_River_Geography#New_infobox_vs._old_one|Infobox_River_Geography]] where it might be more appropriate. – [[User:Caroig|Caroig]] 20:17, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

==Upgrade==
I went and upgraded the template so that it would convert to and from imperial/US and SI.  I hadn't realised that it was being replaced with a new version.  I'll document the upgrade but put a depreciated tag on the page. <span title="Representation in the International Phonetic Alphabet (IPA)" class="IPA">[[User:Jimp|J]]<small><code>[[Special:Contributions/Jimp|Ї]]</code><span class="Unicode">[[User talk:Jimp|Ѧ]]</span></small>[[wikt:User:Jimp|ρ]]</span> 05:37, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

==Image size==
The discussion page notes the default image size of 288px. This is great for horizontal images, but too big (in my opinion) for tall ones. Any way to override the default? See my problem at: [[St. Croix River (Nova Scotia)]] [[User:Verne Equinox|Verne Equinox]] ([[User talk:Verne Equinox|talk]]) 00:30, 11 September 2008 (UTC)
*I concur. This box is usefull but size is distracting. It dominates some articles I'm working on. [[Special:Contributions/Marcus334|My contributions]]<br /> Can one of you infobox gurus '''please add the operator: width=''' to control box size.<br />
Also same request for [[Template:Infobox Waterfall]]. Thanks [[User:Marcus334|Marcus]] ([[User talk:Marcus334|talk]]) 18:38, 5 October 2008 (UTC)

== Possibility of expanding to cope with German Wikipedia articles ==

German Wikipedia has its own equivalent of this infobox (but with a few more parameters). It would considerably aid the transfer of articles from de.wiki if there was an infobox on en.wiki which recognised the German field names and automatically translated them into English and I could quite easily create this. However that would mean a second infobox (called Infobox Fluss) with a similar purpose. However it should be possible to expand this one to cope with the German fields by using a redirect and adding the extra coding required. Obviously the German coding would not be noticed by articles created in English from scratch. Is there merit in doing this (I might need some help) or should I create a separate template? --[[User:Bermicourt|Bermicourt]] ([[User talk:Bermicourt|talk]]) 15:52, 22 March 2009 (UTC)

:It is possible to modify the Infobox River in order to use German infobox information. The same has been done for town infoboxes ({{tl|Infobox German location}}). Once that has been done, {{tl|Infobox Fluss}} can be a redirect to Infobox River. I see the German infobox has more fields than the English one, I'm not sure we need all that information. [[User:Markussep|Markussep]] <sup>[[User talk:Markussep|Talk]]</sup> 15:08, 23 March 2009 (UTC)

::Sounds cool! Although the German infobox does have more fields, in some cases they display two fields as one e.g. source name and coords are separated in the infobox but display together, whereas the English infobox sticks all the data in one field. The end effect is similar. --[[User:Bermicourt|Bermicourt]] ([[User talk:Bermicourt|talk]]) 20:55, 23 March 2009 (UTC)

Let me see which fields could be merged:
*NAME = river_name
*BILD = image_name
*EINZUGSGEBIET = watershed
*LÄNGE = length
*QUELLE = origin
*QUELLHÖHE = elevation_m
*MÜNDUNG = mouth
*MÜNDUNGSHÖHE = mouth_elevation_m
*ABFLUSSMENGE = discharge

The other fields can't be used directly, but have to be translated or converted. [[User:Markussep|Markussep]] <sup>[[User talk:Markussep|Talk]]</sup> 18:11, 24 March 2009 (UTC)

== Progression ==

I've added a "progression" parameter; which can be seen in use on [[River Penk]] to describe the path taken by the waters of a river which is a tributary of one or more other rivers, and does not empty directly into a sea or lake. <span class="vcard"><span class="fn">[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]</span> (User:<span class="nickname">Pigsonthewing</span>); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Andy's talk]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]</span> 10:26, 21 September 2009 (UTC)

== River system ==
I've added a "river system" parameter, corresponding to the de.wiki "Flusssystem" one. So now German rivers at least can be easily updated. --[[User:Bermicourt|Bermicourt]] ([[User talk:Bermicourt|talk]]) 12:06, 6 October 2009 (UTC)

== Geobox ==

I have proposed that we delete {{Tl|geobox}}. That may effect this templates. You are invited to particiapte in the [[Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2012 January 3#Template:Geobox|Geobox deletion dicussion]]. <span class="vcard"><span class="fn">[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]</span> (<span class="nickname">Pigsonthewing</span>); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]</span> 22:56, 3 January 2012 (UTC)

==Mouth and Source Coordinates==
Could a field be added to give the coordinates of the mouth, perhaps using the [[Template:Coord|{coord}]] template? A field could also be added for the source coordinates using coord, useful if the source were not some other geographic feature already tagged with coordinates (EG not a lake). [[User:Qui1che|papageno]] 01:28, 3 November 2007 (UTC)

:Good idea! [[User:Markussep|Markussep]] <sup>[[User talk:Markussep|Talk]]</sup> 09:08, 3 November 2007 (UTC)

:The other river infobox {{tl|Geobox River}} has fields for source and mouth coordinates. You might consider converting the infobox for rivers you want to add coordinates to, to this other template. [[User:Markussep|Markussep]] <sup>[[User talk:Markussep|Talk]]</sup> 15:24, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

Please see [[Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Rivers#Coordinates|discussion of coordinates at WikiProject Rivers]]. [[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]] (User:Pigsonthewing); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Andy's talk]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]] 12:06, 9 September 2008 (UTC)

:The above linked discussion is now archived [[Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Rivers/Archive 1#Coordinates|here]]. related discussions are at [[Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Rivers/Archive 2#Geographical coordinates]] and [[Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Rivers/Archive 2#Use of Co-ordinates on river pages]]. --[[User:AussieLegend|AussieLegend]] ([[User talk:AussieLegend|talk]]) 11:38, 22 September 2012 (UTC)

== Geobox, again ==

It seems, from comparing the before and after version of {{Diff|River Tame, West Midlands|552434571|549929413|this edit}}, that {{tl|Geobox}} has more features for rivers than this template. I propose that we improve this template to match, then deprecate the river-specific instances of Geobox. Thoughts? <span class="vcard"><span class="fn">[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]</span> (<span class="nickname">Pigsonthewing</span>); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]</span> 10:41, 30 June 2013 (UTC)
:'''Strongly oppose''' - what is the basis for deleting this functionality of Geobox (and I presume eventually the whole template)? What policy or even guideline says Wikipedia cannot have two similar but not identical templates? Why spend all the time and effort to change this template and then to replace Geoboxes in river articles, when we have a Geobox that already works well and (as you admit) does more than Infobox:River? By the way, glad to see that you are feeling better and back on WP Andy. [[User:Ruhrfisch|Ruhrfisch]]  '''[[User talk:Ruhrfisch|<sub style="color:green;">&gt;&lt;&gt;</sub><small>&deg;</small><sup><small>&deg;</small></sup>]]''' 15:03, 30 June 2013 (UTC)
::I seem to recall answering this question more than once previously. Perhaps you weren't one of those participating at the time. The rationale is to reduce the long-term maintenance overhead; unify the appearance and location of information in related articles for the convenience of our readers and data re-users, and to minimise confusion for editors. Conversely, what is the rationale for having two, different, templates for the same function? As for the work involved, feel free not to do any of it. Thank you for your kind words about my health. <span class="vcard"><span class="fn">[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]</span> (<span class="nickname">Pigsonthewing</span>); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]</span> 15:45, 30 June 2013 (UTC)
::Oh wait, you were involved. Here's what you said: "if you want to get rid of Geobox, then 1) fix the infoboxes so they can do everything Geobox can, and 2) make sure it is as easy as possible to convert from one to the other, then ask again". That's exactly what I'm doing. It's already been done for mountains and mountain ranges, without fuss. <span class="vcard"><span class="fn">[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]</span> (<span class="nickname">Pigsonthewing</span>); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]</span> 16:48, 30 June 2013 (UTC)
:::Thanks for your reply. I have changed my mind (especially as I would have to do the work of updating the river articles I am the chief contributor to if this comes to pass). Wikipedia allows editors fairly wide leeway on how they do many different things here (please see [[WP:IAR]]). One example is that there are at least three different ways to cite references (with many similar but not identical templates). Are you going to "unify" those too? 
:::Also, could you please answer my question "What policy or even guideline says Wikipedia cannot have two similar but not identical templates?" While you're at it, what policy or guideline says that we need to make life easier for our data re-users? This is a persistent theme in your posts Andy - do you have a conflict of interest? Are you being paid by any of these data re-users? Are you being paid to make things on WP more convenient? I am going to post about your proposal on the Geobox and Wikiproject Rivers talk pages (which I think you should have done already). [[User:Ruhrfisch|Ruhrfisch]]  '''[[User talk:Ruhrfisch|<sub style="color:green;">&gt;&lt;&gt;</sub><small>&deg;</small><sup><small>&deg;</small></sup>]]''' 17:38, 30 June 2013 (UTC)
::::Your assertion that you would have to do any work in this regard is false; I even said as much above. My declaration of interests is available from my user page. I shan't be wasting time, attempting to answer rhetorical questions. <span class="vcard"><span class="fn">[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]</span> (<span class="nickname">Pigsonthewing</span>); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]</span> 17:45, 30 June 2013 (UTC)
:::::Andy, when it says [http://www.pscsf.org.uk/2011/01/wikimedia-wikipedia-for-galleries-libraries-archives-museums/ here] (about you) that "''His advice has been sought recently by organisations including Google and FourSquare (on their use of Wikipedia data); and The BBC, Facebook and the London Assembly (on microformats).''" was that paid advice? Do you have a [[WP:COI|COI]]? Are you being paid to edit and/or get rid of templates that Google, Facebook, the BBC and other re-users do not like? These are serious questions, not rhetorical.
:::::I ask again (and not rhetorically), could you please answer my question "What policy or even guideline says Wikipedia cannot have two similar but not identical templates?" While you're at it, what policy or guideline says that we need to make life easier for our data re-users? I will add a question - where are there examples (on talk pages or elsewhere on WP) of users or editors confused by this template? [[User:Ruhrfisch|Ruhrfisch]]  '''[[User talk:Ruhrfisch|<sub style="color:green;">&gt;&lt;&gt;</sub><small>&deg;</small><sup><small>&deg;</small></sup>]]''' 18:04, 30 June 2013 (UTC)
::::::I refer you to my earlier answer. <span class="vcard"><span class="fn">[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]</span> (<span class="nickname">Pigsonthewing</span>); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]</span> 18:15, 30 June 2013 (UTC)
:::::::RE "what policy or guideline says that we need to make life easier for our data re-users", uhm, let's see, we what to make things harders for editors and readers so the site is used less and we have fewer editors helping, yeah right. I don't think so! [[User:PumpkinSky|<span style="color:darkorange;">Pumpkin</span><span style="color:darkblue;">Sky</span>]] [[User talk:PumpkinSky|<span style="color:darkorange;">talk</span>]] 18:30, 30 June 2013 (UTC)
::::::::PumpkinSky - do we write Wikipedia for general readers or to make it easier for Google, etc. to mine the data? The latter is what I am asking about re data re-users (as far as I know, we have very few corporations who are editors). I am also not aware of any complaints about information presented in any Geobox by general readers. [[User:Ruhrfisch|Ruhrfisch]]  '''[[User talk:Ruhrfisch|<sub style="color:green;">&gt;&lt;&gt;</sub><small>&deg;</small><sup><small>&deg;</small></sup>]]''' 20:35, 30 June 2013 (UTC)
:::::::::My impression is that this represents a huge amount of labor work that won't really add or subtract anything of value to existing river articles. I'm neutral about this change, but as an editor I'd rather spend my time on actually writing articles. [[User:Shannon1|<span style="font-family:Perpetua; color:#008080; font-size:medium;">''Shann''</span>]][[User talk:Shannon1|<span style="color:#DC143C; font-size:medium; font-family:Perpetua;">'''''o'''''</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Shannon1|<span style="font-family:Mistral; color:#4B6CFC; font-size:medium;">''n''</span>]] 20:46, 30 June 2013 (UTC)
::::::::::I often disagree with Andy's position on deleting templates but sometimes he does have good ideas and I do believe that this template could do with some changes to enhance its functionality. I've tried using it in a number of Australian river articles and always found it to be lacking, so I've had to use Geobox. Geobox has its place, so I wouldn't support deletion. --[[User:AussieLegend|'''<span style="color:green;">Aussie</span><span style="color:gold;">Legend</span>''']] ([[User talk:AussieLegend#top|<big>✉</big>]]) 23:42, 30 June 2013 (UTC)
::::::::::As an example, I've created a testcase [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:AussieLegend/Project_03&oldid=562328354 here]. --[[User:AussieLegend|'''<span style="color:green;">Aussie</span><span style="color:gold;">Legend</span>''']] ([[User talk:AussieLegend#top|<big>✉</big>]]) 01:38, 1 July 2013 (UTC)
:::::::::::Useful, thank you. <span class="vcard"><span class="fn">[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]</span> (<span class="nickname">Pigsonthewing</span>); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]</span> 13:27, 1 July 2013 (UTC)
::::::::::"''I'd rather spend my time on actually writing articles''" No-one is stopping you. <span class="vcard"><span class="fn">[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]</span> (<span class="nickname">Pigsonthewing</span>); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]</span> 13:27, 1 July 2013 (UTC)

'''Strongly oppose'''. I donate my time and skills to the general public, not to for-profit data re-users who might wish me to edit as they see fit rather than as I see fit. I doubt that many Wikipedia editors want to work for free for Google or any other outside entity. [[User:Finetooth|Finetooth]] ([[User talk:Finetooth|talk]]) 00:04, 1 July 2013 (UTC)
:If you don't want data re-users - many of whom are members of the general public, or not-for-profit organisations - to reuse your work on Wikipedia - which is perfectly acceptable under the licence you grant - then why are you editing? In any case, ease of data reuse is just one, small, part of the rationale for this change. Do feel free to address the suggestions I've made, to ''improve'' this template, though. <span class="vcard"><span class="fn">[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]</span> (<span class="nickname">Pigsonthewing</span>); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]</span> 13:23, 1 July 2013 (UTC)

Unfortunately, I have to have emergency eye surgery tomorrow, and after that won't be able to edit Wikipedia for a week or two. <span class="vcard"><span class="fn">[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]</span> (<span class="nickname">Pigsonthewing</span>); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]</span> 13:23, 1 July 2013 (UTC)

::Andy, the issue that concerns me here is editorial control, which should never be ceded to a subset of the whole collective. By consensus, the collective has already rejected your proposal to eliminate geoboxes entirely. Your proposal to deprecate geoboxes is essentially the same proposal. The English Wikipedia and the Commons are parts of a commons managed collectively; anyone, including Google, may reuse the product (encyclopedia articles, data, images) under the terms of the GFDL and other licenses and may participate in seeking changes to existing policies and guidelines. However, participating in policy discussions is not the same as setting policy. That power should remain in the hands of the collective, which has already spoken on this matter.

::I wish you a speedy recovery from the eye surgery. [[User:Finetooth|Finetooth]] ([[User talk:Finetooth|talk]]) 15:53, 1 July 2013 (UTC)

'''Strongly support''' improving this template. Why wouldn't we want it to be as comprehensive as possible? The issue seems to be whether we then remove functionality from geobox. Personally I find that template confusing, unwieldy, and, often, less comprehensive. Frequently my question has been "which parameters do I need to extract for an article on rivers/mountains/islands/lakes?". But there seems to be divergence on that, so why don't we improve this template and then discuss the nature of geobox separately at that talkpage? [[User:Bermicourt|Bermicourt]] ([[User talk:Bermicourt|talk]]) 15:39, 1 July 2013 (UTC)

::I don't think anyone opposes improving the infoboxes or, for that matter, the geoboxes. Andy's suggestion, however, is to replace geoboxes with infoboxes. That's the idea that has already been rejected. As it stands, editors who prefer infoboxes to geoboxes are free to use infoboxes. [[User:Finetooth|Finetooth]] ([[User talk:Finetooth|talk]]) 16:06, 1 July 2013 (UTC)
:::Andy's suggestion is "that we improve this template to match, then deprecate the river-specific instances of Geobox". There's no reason why we can't say yes to the first part and no to the second. It doesn't have to be an all-out oppose or support. I agree that editors should be free to use either infobox or geobox. --[[User:AussieLegend|'''<span style="color:green;">Aussie</span><span style="color:gold;">Legend</span>''']] ([[User talk:AussieLegend#top|<big>✉</big>]]) 17:55, 1 July 2013 (UTC)

'''Strongly oppose''' - I made that edit to the [[River Tame, West Midlands| Tame]], and did it to improve the article, both in terms of information and as the Geobox has a better format and looks more professional. There are two other reasons I oppose this, one is that nearly 4 years have passed since someone asked for the Infobox ‘origin’ to be changed to ‘source’, yet nothing has happened. I can use the Geobox, with its extra functions and neater format today, and do not have to wait for some Infobox 2 to come around. The other reason is found at [[:Category:Geobox usage tracking for river type ]] which lists over 13,000 uses of the Geobox: river template, it would take forever to alter (and check) those articles for a new box. [[User:Jokulhlaup|Jokulhlaup]] ([[User talk:Jokulhlaup|talk]]) 17:04, 1 July 2013 (UTC)

:'''Comment''' just to be clear, I do not oppose improving any template. What I strongly oppose is removing River (or any more) functionality from Geobox, in what I suspect is a very clever and patient and stealthy way of deleting the Geobox template (remove almost all the functionalities one by one, then say - "look at this poor thing, hardly used and doesn't do much, let's delete it"). I wish Andy a speedy recovery and all the best. [[User:Ruhrfisch|Ruhrfisch]]  '''[[User talk:Ruhrfisch|<sub style="color:green;">&gt;&lt;&gt;</sub><small>&deg;</small><sup><small>&deg;</small></sup>]]''' 03:16, 2 July 2013 (UTC)

=== Alternate proposal ===
Since the above doesn't seem to have gained any support, I'd like to propose an alternative, based on comments above. As [[User:Pigsonthewing]] has noted, {{tl|Geobox}} has more features for rivers than this template. I propose that we improve this template to match the functionality of {{tl|Geobox}}, or as much of the functionality as determined by consensus, to provide a simpler alternative to the more complex Geobox. Obviously, there are situations where Geobox may be more suitable, so it should remain unaltered for those occasions. --[[User:AussieLegend|'''<span style="color:green;">Aussie</span><span style="color:gold;">Legend</span>''']] ([[User talk:AussieLegend#top|<big>✉</big>]]) 03:11, 10 July 2013 (UTC)

:'''Fully support''' and would be grateful if my request [[#Revision suggestions|above]] were taken into consideration as part of the improvement drive. --[[User:Bermicourt|Bermicourt]] ([[User talk:Bermicourt|talk]]) 07:38, 10 July 2013 (UTC)
::Can I suggest a simpler alternative, would it not be easier to create blank templates for {{tl|Geobox}} rivers at different levels of complexity. You could have a Starter version for simple streams, a Mid level for larger/complex rivers, and a Full version for complex situations such as dual sources etc. It is similar to the idea used in [[Template:Infobox_mountain#general notes|Infobox Mountains]], where they have created blank templates for different parts of the world. The unneeded commands could be removed for the simpler versions, which would remove the size and complexity issues. There would need to be some explanantion/links from the WP:Rivers page so that they could be found easily. [[User:Jokulhlaup|Jokulhlaup]] ([[User talk:Jokulhlaup|talk]]) 16:52, 13 July 2013 (UTC)
:::{{Tl|Infobox Mountain}} was split out from Geobox; we can make various blank versions of Infobox river, once it's improved. <span class="vcard"><span class="fn">[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]</span> (<span class="nickname">Pigsonthewing</span>); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]</span> 17:22, 13 July 2013 (UTC)

== what's the status on coordinates? ==

Not trying to reignite any old arguments, but what's the current best practice on adding geographical coordinates (source and/or mouth) to a river article using this template? (I'm contemplating trying to add some new fields to this template for that if necessary, but if someone else already has a plan for that I don't want to step on toes / duplicate effort.) —[[User:scs|Steve Summit]] ([[User talk:scs|talk]]) 23:29, 8 February 2014 (UTC)
: sounds like a good idea, since {{tl|geobox}} supports this.  what parameters would you like to add?  just {{para|mouth_coordinates}} and {{para|source_coordinates}}? [[User:Frietjes|Frietjes]] ([[User talk:Frietjes|talk]]) 14:50, 9 February 2014 (UTC)
:: I was thinking of <code>source_lat_d</code>, <code>source_lat_NS</code>, <code>mouth_long_d</code>, <code>mouth_long_EW</code>, etc. —[[User:scs|Steve Summit]] ([[User talk:scs|talk]]) 11:51, 10 February 2014 (UTC)
::: I've taken a stab at this.  See below. —[[User:scs|Steve Summit]] ([[User talk:scs|talk]]) 05:45, 21 February 2014 (UTC)

== new coordinate parameters ==

Okay, I'm adding several new parameters to make coordinate display and entry possible.
For the moment I've made the changes to a sandbox copy of the template, but if there are no objections, and if no one finds any serious problems, I'll propagate the changes to the real template in a few days.

I'll describe the new coordinate syntax and template usage, but then I have a couple of questions I'd appreciate people's opinions on.

=== coordinate syntax ===

There are basically four ways to enter origin and mouth coordinates: as degrees, minutes, and seconds, as decimal degrees N/S/E/W, as signed decimal degrees, and with the {{tl|Coord}} template.  I'll illustrate each of these with an example:

: degrees, minutes, and seconds:
:: <code>| origin_lat_d   = 42</code>
:: <code>| origin_lat_m   = 30</code>
:: <code>| origin_lat_s   = 40</code>
:: <code>| origin_lat_NS  = N</code>
:: <code>| origin_long_d  = 73</code>
:: <code>| origin_long_m  = 12</code>
:: <code>| origin_long_s  = 00</code>
:: <code>| origin_long_EW = W</code>
:: <code>| mouth_lat_d    = 42</code>
:: <code>| mouth_lat_m    = 55</code>
:: <code>| mouth_lat_s    = 39</code>
:: <code>| mouth_lat_NS   = N</code>
:: <code>| mouth_long_d   = 73</code>
:: <code>| mouth_long_m   = 39</code>
:: <code>| mouth_long_s   = 35</code>
:: <code>| mouth_long_EW  = W</code>

: decimal degrees:
:: <code>| origin_lat_d   = 42.5539</code>
:: <code>| origin_lat_NS  = N</code>
:: <code>| origin_long_d  = 71.1441</code>
:: <code>| origin_long_EW = W</code>
:: <code>| mouth_lat_d    = 42.693</code>
:: <code>| mouth_lat_NS   = N</code>
:: <code>| mouth_long_d   = 70.790</code>
:: <code>| mouth_long_EW  = W</code>

: signed decimal degrees:
:: <code>| origin_lat_d   = 42.1807</code>
:: <code>| origin_long_d  = -72.3654</code>
:: <code>| mouth_lat_d    = 42.1482</code>
:: <code>| mouth_long_d   = -72.6217</code>

: {{tl|Coord}} template:
:: <code>| origin_coordinates = <nowiki>{{Coord|42.4654|N|71.3580|W|type:river|display=inline}}</nowiki></code>
:: <code>| mouth_coordinates  = <nowiki>{{Coord|42.6465|N|71.3025|W|type:river|display=inline,title}}</nowiki></code>

These examples are from the [[Hoosic River|Hoosic]], [[Ipswich River|Ipswich]], [[Chicopee River|Chicopee]], and [[Concord River]] articles, respectively, so you can see these new template invocations in action there.

=== usage ===

{{strikediv|1=For the moment, to get these coordinate parameters to work, you have to use my sandbox copy of the template, which is [[User:Scs/Sandbox/Template Infobox river]].
So to try it out, the first line of the template invocation would look like

: <code><nowiki>{{User:Scs/Sandbox/Template Infobox river</nowiki></code>
: <code><nowiki>| name = </nowiki></code>...

(It's probably wrong to have a mainspace article page invoke a userspace template like this, but I'm only doing it for a few relatively minor rivers, and only for a few days.)

Feel free to play with the template and let me know what you think.
(Or, if you don't want to invoke a userspace template, just wait a few days until I make the changes official.  Or you could try it but only hit Show Preview, not Submit.  Or you could try it from your own sandbox page(s).)

If you do temporarily invoke the sandbox template, be aware that we'll have to switch it to use the real template once it's official.}}

The template puts the mouth (as opposed to the origin) coordinates at the top of the article, because that seems to be the consensus.

=== questions ===

Personally, I think it's silly to have Geobox/type/river distinct from Infobox river, and ideally I'd hope one day we could settle on one and migrate to it.  You may disagree, and I'm not trying to raise that issue today anyway, but your opinion on that question will probably influence your answer(s) to the two questions I do have:

# What should the origin coordinate parameters be called?  Originally I was planning on calling them <code>source_lat_d</code>, <code>source_long_d</code>, etc., for compatibility with Geobox/type/river.  But in the end I decided to name them <code>origin_lat_d</code>, <code>origin_long_d</code>, etc., since "origin" is what Infobox river uses for the source, and having parameters with two different naming conventions would be confusing.  (Using parameter names identical to Geobox/type/river would seem to make converting from one to the other easier, but actually, any conversion from one to the other is going to involve renaming a bunch of other parameters anyway, so what's a few more?)
# Do we really need or want the third option, using the <code>origin_coordinates</code> and <code>mouth_coordinates</code> parameters?  Some people seem to like this style, and it's supported by e.g. [[Template:Infobox school|Infobox school]].  But Geobox/type/river does ''not'' support this style of coordinate entry, so any invocations of the new Infobox river that use that style would be that much harder to convert to Geobox/type/river later, if that should ever be necessary.

Anyway, please comment below and let me know what you think.  As I said, I expect to make the changes to the official template soon. —[[User:scs|Steve Summit]] ([[User talk:scs|talk]]) 05:45, 21 February 2014 (UTC)

=== comments ===
Having used both Geobox and the individual infoboxes such as this one I prefer the latter. I found Geobox very unwieldy and difficult to use. Turning to your actual questions:
* We need the ability to display either "source" or "origin" to take account of the fact that some rivers are viewed as beginning at a source and some at e.g. the confluence of two headstreams each of which has its own name.
* It is useful to be able to input the coordinates using the {{tl|coord}} format, especially e.g. when translating articles as this is often how it will come across. So both are useful.
--[[User:Bermicourt|Bermicourt]] ([[User talk:Bermicourt|talk]]) 09:07, 21 February 2014 (UTC)
:: Making the label changeable would be straightforward with an <code>origin_label</code> parameter. You want me to add that while I'm at it? (I wonder what the default should be -- "source" or "origin"?) —[[User:scs|Steve Summit]] ([[User talk:scs|talk]]) 14:10, 22 February 2014 (UTC)

:We should definitely deprecate the use of geobox for rivers; add any necessary features from it to this infobox, have a bot make replacements, then permanently remove river features from geobox. This is (has?) been done for mountains in Geobox. We most certainly do not need to worry about making conversions in the reverse direction. <span class="vcard"><span class="fn">[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]</span> (<span class="nickname">Pigsonthewing</span>); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]</span> 11:51, 21 February 2014 (UTC)

:GNIS entries (such as this one: {{GNIS 4|649969|}}) express decimal coordinates as positive/negative numbers, instead of specifying NSEW.  Would there be a way to accommodate that method?  It would make it speedier to copy-paste from GNIS entries.  
:(Separately, I do have opinions regarding geoboxes vs infoboxes, and I won't share them here.) --[[User:Malepheasant|Malepheasant]] ([[User talk:Malepheasant|talk]]) 16:16, 22 February 2014 (UTC)

:: Yup, ±decimal works, too.  (The {{tl|Coord}} template, which all of this is built on, is pretty amazing.) —[[User:scs|Steve Summit]] ([[User talk:scs|talk]]) 17:17, 22 February 2014 (UTC)
::: Hmm, if I just use ±decimals in the <code>| origin_lat_d</code> and <code>| origin_long_d</code> fields (without specifying NSEW in the corresponding NS and EW fields), it breaks the template.  (And it breaks doubly if I try combining ±decimals with NSEW designations.) Do I have to paste in the {{tl|Coord}} template to be able to use the ±decimal method? --[[User:Malepheasant|Malepheasant]] ([[User talk:Malepheasant|talk]]) 18:02, 22 February 2014 (UTC)

:::: Well, I ''thought'' it worked, and I thought I'd tested it.  Let me play with it and see. —[[User:scs|Steve Summit]] ([[User talk:scs|talk]]) 20:04, 22 February 2014 (UTC)
:::: Okay.  Sorry for the false start.  I thought I'd tested it, but obviously I didn't, because you're right, it didn't work.  (I guess the {{tl|Coord}} tempate isn't quite as amazing as I thought it was.)  I've got a tentative fix in place, although I might have to move to {{tl|Geobox coor}} instead, although it's got some issues of its own (like, evidently <code>display=</code> is different).  Anyway, please give it another try.  See [[Chicopee River]] for an example. —[[User:scs|Steve Summit]] ([[User talk:scs|talk]]) 21:45, 22 February 2014 (UTC)
::::: It's working for me now, too, thanks! -- [[User:Malepheasant|Malepheasant]] ([[User talk:Malepheasant|talk]]) 23:08, 22 February 2014 (UTC)

=== deployed ===
Okay, I've deployed the changes.[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Infobox_river&diff=prev&oldid=596767466]. The new coordinates parameters are already in use on five pages: [[Chicopee River]], [[Concord River]], [[Ipswich River]], [[Little Bighorn River]], and [[River Manifold]]. I'll update the template documentation next. There's now the task of migrating coordinates out of the random places they're in now into the template; I'll start a thread on that over on [[Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Rivers]].  Thanks for everybody's input here. —[[User:scs|Steve Summit]] ([[User talk:scs|talk]]) 13:29, 23 February 2014 (UTC)

== Improving this template ==

As discussed above, we should improve this template by importing any beneficial (if not all) river features from {{tl|Geobox}}. I intend to start doing so shortly; does anyone have any views as to what should or should not, be imported, and how? Parameters in geobox, with with no equivalent here, include:

* {{Para|category}} 
* {{Para|country}} 
* {{Para|state}} 
* {{Para|region}} 
* {{Para|district}} 
* {{Para|municipality}} 
* {{Para|parent}}
* {{Para|city}} 
* {{Para|landmark}} 
* {{Para|source_location}} 
* {{Para|source_region}} 
* {{Para|source_country}}
* {{Para|source_lat_d}} 
* {{Para|source_lat_m}} 
* {{Para|source_lat_s}} 
* {{Para|source_lat_NS}}
* {{Para|source_long_d}} 
* {{Para|source_long_m}} 
* {{Para|source_long_s}} 
* {{Para|source_long_EW}}
* {{Para|source1}} 
* {{Para|source1_location}} 
* {{Para|source1_region}} 
* {{Para|source1_country}}
* {{Para|source1_elevation}} 
* {{Para|source1_lat_d}} 
* {{Para|source1_lat_m}} 
* {{Para|source1_lat_s}} 
* {{Para|source1_lat_NS}}
* {{Para|source1_long_d}} 
* {{Para|source1_long_m}} 
* {{Para|source1_long_s}} 
* {{Para|source1_long_EW}}
* {{Para|source_confluence}} 
* {{Para|source_confluence_location}} 
* {{Para|source_confluence_region}} 
* {{Para|source_confluence_country}}
* {{Para|source_confluence_elevation}} 
* {{Para|source_confluence_lat_d}} 
* {{Para|source_confluence_lat_m}} 
* {{Para|source_confluence_lat_s}} 
* {{Para|source_confluence_lat_NS}}
* {{Para|source_confluence_long_d}} 
* {{Para|source_confluence_long_m}} 
* {{Para|source_confluence_long_s}} 
* {{Para|source_confluence_long_EW}}
* {{Para|mouth_location}} 
* {{Para|mouth_region}} 
* {{Para|mouth_country}}
* {{Para|mouth_elevation}} 
* {{Para|mouth_lat_d}} 
* {{Para|mouth_lat_m}} 
* {{Para|mouth_lat_s}} 
* {{Para|mouth_lat_NS}}
* {{Para|mouth_long_d}} 
* {{Para|mouth_long_m}} 
* {{Para|mouth_long_s}} 
* {{Para|mouth_long_EW}}
* {{Para|width}} 
* {{Para|depth}} 
* {{Para|volume}}
* {{Para|discharge_location}} 
* {{Para|discharge_max}}
* {{Para|discharge_min}}
* {{Para|map_background}} 
* {{Para|map_locator}}
* {{Para|map_locator_x}}
* {{Para|map_locator_y}} 
* {{Para|website}}
* {{Para|commons}}
* {{Para|footnotes}}

plus imperial equivalents. It might be worth testing to see whether some of those (e.g. {{Para|category}}, {{Para|landmark}}, {{Para|width}}, {{Para|website}}, {{Para|commons}}) are used. <span class="vcard"><span class="fn">[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]</span> (<span class="nickname">Pigsonthewing</span>); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]</span> 13:07, 26 March 2014 (UTC)
: seems like the list should be revised, given the recent [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template%3AInfobox_river&diff=596767466&oldid=565555929 edit history]. [[User:Frietjes|Frietjes]] ([[User talk:Frietjes|talk]]) 16:54, 26 March 2014 (UTC)

:Oop, after posting at the Rivers Wikiproject talk page I found this. Give me a day or two and I'll respond with some detailed comments about what I'd like to see in a river infobox. [[User:Pfly|Pfly]] ([[User talk:Pfly|talk]]) 03:14, 5 April 2014 (UTC)
::Okay, I said I'd post something, but looking at Infobox River and comparing it to Geobox River I find so much troublesome I can't address all of it. But here's some (for Geobox examples, see pages like [[Rogue River (Oregon)]] and [[Columbia River]]). I like how the Geobox groups similar things together and uses fine lines to organize information. So you get, for example, the parameter name <b>Source</b> in bold, then whatever other parameters relate to it below, like "location", "elevation", "coordinates", etc. In the Infobox information about similar things do not always appear together, like "Mouth" and "Mouth elevation". The organization of information in Geobox seems much more readable.

::Also in the Infobox you get longer parameter names, which frequently wrap, making things harder to read, like "Mouth" and "Mouth elevation". Or "Left tributaries" and "Right tributaries" instead of a simple "Tributaries" field with "left" and "right" subfields. Same thing with "Basin countries" and "Basin area". At least the mouth coordinates are kept with the Mouth parameter in the Infobox. On the other hand there's "Origin", which can have coordinates just like "Mouth", but the related elevation parameter is not origin_elevation but source_elevation. More confusing is that both "Origin" and "Source elevation" are linked to the page [[River source]].

::Also confusing is the way footnoting works. I like how in Geobox if you want a footnote you add a parameter with _note appended for it. So "length" and "length_note". Or a slightly less obvious one, after specifying coords with "mouth_lat_d", "mouth_lat_m", etc, you can add a footnote with "mouth_coordinates_note". I don't see how to add a footnote to coords specified in this way in Infobox. Adding footnotes to things like "length" seems weird. Maybe I'm not understanding but it seems Infobox gives you a "length" parameter in which you use a "Full-text length of the river, using {{tl|convert}} template if necessary". And you can append a footnote reference. But if you use length_mi or length_km and want a footnote, you put it under the length parameter? That's....counter-intuitive. "length_note" makes more sense.
::I'm not completely happy with the way discharge data is handled by either template, but find Geobox better. The Infobox seems to assume you want to specify "average discharge" for an unspecified location—presumably the mouth. Usually discharge data is calculated at stream gauges that are often not at the mouth. It is important to be able to say where the discharge data is being calculated. Geobox has a "discharge_location" location parameter where you can say things like "for [[river mile]] 13", or "for Gage 04j, above Foo Creek", etc. Geobox also gives you fields for average, max, and min discharge stats. Max and min values are commonly cited and important. The Infobox example somehow gives us subfields with "annual average", "June", and "December". That might be useful in addition to max and min. Ideally one could cite various discharge stats easily. Neither template has an easy way to do that. The subfields in the Infobox are not explained—apparently you have to edit the page and examine the code? As with other parameters I found that footnotes for discharge data go under the "discharge" parameter, which is weird.
::Also confusing about the Infobox is the parameter names regarding pictures and maps. If you want a picture you use image_name for the file, but when you want a map you don't give the file with map_name but rather image_map?? This is particularly confusing since it clearly doesn't mean an [[imagemap]]. Also, you use caption for your image (picture) but map_caption for your map. It all seems rather inconsistent.
::Another apparently inconsistent thing is "elevation". It appeared Infobox provided mouth_elevation fields but not source_elevation. It does provide elevation fields. I didn't see how a river could have a single elevation. I guessed the idea was to use the convert template with a range of values. However when I tried it out the elevation fields are displayed as "Source elevation".
::Finally, reading the list of Infobox parameters I saw native_name and native_name_lang. But the native_name_lang wants an ISO code? It took me a bit to figure this out. I tried it with the ISO code for the Quinault language, which according to [https://www.ethnologue.com/language/qun Ethnologue] is "qun". But nothing displays in the Infobox. <s>I also could not get "other_name" to display anyway.</s> (edit: Oops, it did work, displaying "Other name" like any other parameter; I guess I expected something in the box's header, near where the main name is shown) I put my pretend Infobox at [[User:Pfly/tests]].
::There are other things I could point to, but this seems plenty for now! Sorry for being so critical. One Infobox thing I did like is the "progression" parameter. [[User:Pfly|Pfly]] ([[User talk:Pfly|talk]]) 05:50, 13 April 2014 (UTC)
:::The ISO code of the native language is used in the lang attribute of the underlying HTML. <span class="vcard"><span class="fn">[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]</span> (<span class="nickname">Pigsonthewing</span>); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]</span> 14:02, 14 April 2014 (UTC)

== Discharge data ==
<small>Moved from "Template cleanup and improvements" section. [[User:Rehman|<span style="font-variant:small-caps; font-weight:bold; color:darkblue">Reh</span>]][[User talk:Rehman|<span style="color:green">man</span>]] 13:39, 29 January 2016 (UTC) </small>
:Navigability. The examples from German Wiki that I can find have the following text: "only during the rainy season" and "394 km from Koblenz to Neuves-Maisons". I'm not hard over on this as I can see pros and cons.
:Discharge data. Again the German Wiki template has provision for 6 pieces of data at the source and at named gauges using parameters like "source_discharge", "source_discharge_period" (e.g. 1960/2005), "source_discharge_reference", "gauge1", "gauge1_discharge", "gauge1_discharge_period" and "gauge1_discharge_reference". The 10 sub-parameters of "gaugeX_discharge" are the name, distance from the mouth, size of the catchment (at that point), lowest discharge rate, date of the lowest discharge rate, average discharge rate, date of the average discharge rate, highest discharge rate, date of the highest discharge rate.
:HTH. Cheers. [[User:Bermicourt|Bermicourt]] ([[User talk:Bermicourt|talk]]) 21:30, 27 January 2016 (UTC)

:: Hi [[User:Bermicourt|Bermicourt]]. Noted on the Navigability; I guess we'll leave that out for now. For discharge data, how about something like this: We create an entirely new header (like "Physiognomy") and allow that section to have from something like <code>gauge1</code> to <code>gauge10</code> (similar to the <code>source1...</code> parameters), which can have additional parameters to display location, coord, period, and min-avg-max values. Is that good? [[User:Rehman|<span style="font-variant:small-caps; font-weight:bold; color:darkblue">Reh</span>]][[User talk:Rehman|<span style="color:green">man</span>]] 14:54, 28 January 2016 (UTC)

:::Sounds fine to me. I'll also have to look at whether Infobox:Fluss can be amended to automatically display the gauge and discharge info. [[User:Bermicourt|Bermicourt]] ([[User talk:Bermicourt|talk]]) 08:38, 29 January 2016 (UTC)

::::Update: Added as <code>discharge1...</code>. Pending period and coord params. [[User:Rehman|<span style="font-variant:small-caps; font-weight:bold; color:darkblue">Reh</span>]][[User talk:Rehman|<span style="color:green">man</span>]] 15:34, 12 February 2016 (UTC)

== Template cleanup and improvements ==

=== Scan results ===
{| class="wikitable sortable collapsible collapsed"
|-
! Count !! Field !! In template?
|-
| 1 || source2_coord_name || Y
|-
| 1 || basin_population || Y
|-
| 1 || source2_coord_ref || Y
|-
| 1 || source3_elevation || Y
|-
| 1 || source2_lat_s || Y
|-
| 1 || source2_lat_m || Y
|-
| 1 || source2_long_m || Y
|-
| 1 || source2_long_EW || Y
|-
| 1 || source3_location || Y
|-
| 1 || width_avg || Y
|-
| 1 || depth_min || Y
|-
| 1 || embed || Y
|-
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| discharge_cuft/s || [[Alexander Creek (Susitna River)]], [[Ana River]], [[Balliet Run]], [[Big Wapwallopen Creek]], [[Bow Creek (Big Wapwallopen Creek)]], [[Bowman Creek]], [[Buck Run (West Branch Brandywine Creek)]], [[Buffalo Fork (Wyoming)]], [[Copper River (Alaska)]], [[Crab Run (Mahanoy Creek)]], [[Drakes Creek]], [[East Branch Chillisquaque Creek]], [[East Branch Lackawanna River]], [[Fades Creek]], [[Ganges]], [[Guanipa River]], [[Hop Bottom Creek]], [[Horse Creek (Tombigbee River)]], [[Hunlock Creek]], [[Huzzah Creek]], [[Laurel River]], [[Little Black Creek]], [[Little Miami River]], [[Little Susitna River]], [[Little Wapwallopen Creek]], [[Lytle Creek (California)]], [[Marsh Creek (Rogers Creek)]], [[Metolius River]], [[Mile Run (White Deer Creek)]], [[Mud Creek (Chillisquaque Creek)]], [[Mulberry River (Arkansas)]], [[Muncy Creek]], [[Newport Creek]], [[Pacific Creek (Teton County, Wyoming)]], [[Phillips Creek]], [[Piedra River (Colorado)]], [[Pikes Creek]], [[Plaster Creek]], [[Reyburn Creek]], [[Rocky River (Alaska)]], [[Salem Creek]], [[Sand Spring Run]], [[Snapper Creek]], [[Solomon Creek]], [[South Branch Tunkhannock Creek]], [[St. Clair River]], [[Sullivan Branch]], [[Susitna River]], [[Swan River (Manitoba–Saskatchewan)]], [[Toby Creek]], [[Trexler Run]], [[Turkey Creek (Kansas)]], [[User:Pfly/tests]], [[Walker Run]], [[Watering Run]], [[White Deer Creek]], [[Wood River (Oregon)]]
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| discharge_m3/s || [[Abista]], [[Adour]], [[Agano River]], [[Agluona (Akmenė)]], [[Aguán River]], [[Ailette (river)]], [[Airain]], [[Aknysta (river)]], [[Albarine]], [[Alène]], [[Anadyr River]], [[Anarjohka]], [[Anglin]], [[Arconce]], [[Argen]], [[Arz (river)]], [[Asse (river)]], [[Aubetin]], [[Aujon]], [[Aura (Archipelago Sea)]], [[Auroue]], [[Avers Rhine]], [[Barguelonne]], [[Batiscan River]], [[Batnfjordelva]], [[Benaize]], [[Bidente-Ronco]], [[Biscubio]], [[Blanice (Sázava)]], [[Blue Nile]], [[Bouble]], [[Bourbince]], [[Bourbre]], [[Boutonne]], [[Bouzanne]], [[Bradano]], [[Brame]], [[Briance]], [[Calavon]], [[Candigliano]], [[Carapelle (river)]], [[Caroní River]], [[Castellano (river)]], [[Chalaronne]], [[Chapeauroux]], [[Chassezac]], [[Chavanon]], [[Chienti]], [[Chikugo River]], [[Chixoy River]], [[Chère]], [[Chée]], [[Chéran]], [[Clouère]], [[Clutha River]], [[Colagne]], [[Conca (river)]], [[Céor]], [[Céou]], [[Cérou]], [[Côney]], [[Dabikinė]], [[Dadou]], [[Daugava (river)]], [[Diège]], [[Dniester]], [[Dourdou de Camarès]], [[Dranse (Haute-Savoie)]], [[Drôme (Aure)]], [[Durance]], [[Dōzan River]], [[Eder]], [[Edo River]], [[Elle (river)]], [[Enns (river)]], [[Ergolz]], [[Eura (river)]], [[Fiastra (river)]], [[Fier (river)]], [[Foglia]], [[Fuji River]], [[Galaure]], [[Galga]], [[Ganges]], [[German Thaya]], [[Gier (river)]], [[Gijou]], [[Grosne (river)]], [[Guil]], [[Gōnokawa River]], [[Hinterrhein (river)]], [[Hochspeyerbach]], [[Hornaday River]], [[Ibi River]], [[Idice]], [[Indrois]], [[Irati (river)]], [[Ishim River]], [[Itadori River]], [[Itz]], [[Jinzū River]], [[Johor River]], [[Jølstra]], [[Jōganji River]], [[Jūra]], [[Kamnik Bistrica]], [[Kano River]], [[Kelantan River]], [[Kiso River]], [[Kitakami River]], [[Klejnárka]], [[Kolva River (Perm Krai)]], [[Kosva River]], [[Kotra (river)]], [[Kourou (river)]], [[Kumano River]], [[Kupa (Lėvuo)]], [[Kuzuryū River]], [[Lahn]], [[Lakselva]], [[Lay (river)]], [[Layon]], [[Lhasa River]], [[Liepona]], [[Lignon du Forez]], [[Lignon du Velay]], [[Little Smoky River]], [[Lizonne]], [[Loue (Isle)]], [[Louge]], [[Luzège]], [[Lèze]], [[Madon]], [[Mahoning River]], [[Main (river)]], [[Malše]], [[Mandalselva]], [[Mareb River]], [[Maronne]], [[Meu]], [[Min River (Fujian)]], [[Mississippi River (Ontario)]], [[Moder (river)]], [[Montone (river)]], [[Mortagne (river)]], [[Muda River]], [[Muli River]], [[Mur (river)]], [[Nagara River]], [[Nahualate River]], [[Naka River (Tochigi Ibaraki)]], [[Nimu Maqu River]], [[Ogooué River]], [[Omono River]], [[Orbieu]], [[Orne (river)]], [[Osam]], [[Osse (river)]], [[Othain]], [[Otra]], [[Ouanne (river)]], [[Oudon (river)]], [[Ource]], [[Ozanne]], [[Petite Baïse]], [[Petite Creuse]], [[Pirita (river)]], [[Prądnik River]], [[Punkva]], [[Pyhäjoki (river)]], [[Rabbi (river)]], [[Radolfzeller Aach]], [[Rega]], [[Renhe River]], [[Rhue (river)]], [[Rhünda (river)]], [[Richelieu River]], [[River Ness]], [[Rosbach (Nidda)]], [[Rupt de Mad]], [[Sakarya River]], [[Salleron]], [[Salzach]], [[Samoggia]], [[San Jorge River]], [[San Juan River (Argentina)]], [[Savena]], [[Savio (river)]], [[Schwarzbach (Blies)]], [[Scorff]], [[Semme]], [[Semnon]], [[Semois]], [[Sendai River]], [[Senouire]], [[Seugne]], [[Sevron]], [[Shatt al-Arab]], [[Shō River]], [[Shōnai River]], [[Smagne]], [[Solnan]], [[Someș River]], [[Sorgues (river)]], [[Sormonne (river)]], [[Souleuvre]], [[Speyerbach]], [[Strėva]], [[Suippe]], [[Sura River]], [[Svalia (river)]], [[Svete (river)]], [[Sylva River]], [[Sédelle]], [[Séoune]], [[Takahara River]], [[Tardes (river)]], [[Tenna (river)]], [[Tenryū River]], [[Thoré]], [[Théols]], [[Tone River]], [[Touch (river)]], [[Tovdalselva]], [[Triouzoune]], [[Tyup River]], [[Uniti]], [[Urauchi River]], [[User:LADave/Sandbox]], [[User:V0d4n/Rosbach (Nidda)]], [[Usva River]], [[Vaige]], [[Vallière (river)]], [[Vauvise]], [[Versoix (river)]], [[Verzée]], [[Vishera River (Komi Republic)]], [[Vishera River (Perm Krai)]], [[Vorderrhein (river)]], [[Vydra (river)]], [[Vègre]], [[Vère]], [[Waipa River]], [[Waitakaruru Stream]], [[West Rapti River]], [[Wutach (river)]], [[Yahagi River]], [[Yon]], [[Èvre]], [[Ével]], [[Česma]], [[Ōi River]], [[Ōyodo River]], [[Šešuvis]], [[Širvinta]], [[Šventoji (Baltic)]], [[Šventoji (Neris)]], [[Šventupys (Dabikinė)]]
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[[Cedar Creek (North Dakota)]], [[Cheboygan River]], [[Chickasawhay River]], [[Cimarron River (Canadian River)]], [[Cimarron River (Gunnison River)]], [[Coldbrook Creek (Michigan)]], [[Conasauga Creek]], [[Coon Creek (Kishwaukee River)]], [[Copper River (Alaska)]], [[Cowbell Hollow]], [[Cox Run]], [[Crab Run (Mahanoy Creek)]], [[Cranberry Run]], [[Creasy Creek]], [[Crooked Run (Catawissa Creek)]], [[Dead River (Lake County, Florida)]], [[Deshka River]], [[Draft talk:MacNaughton Run/Temp]], [[Draft:MacNaughton Run]], [[Dry Run (Susquehecka Creek)]], [[Dry Run (West Branch Susquehanna River)]], [[East Bay River]], [[East Branch Briar Creek]], [[East Branch South Branch Kishwaukee River]], [[East Fork Arkansas River]], [[East Fork Harveys Creek]], [[Elk River (Oklahoma)]], [[Elkhart River]], [[Elkhorn River]], [[Escatawpa River]], [[Fawn River (Michigan)]], [[Fish Creek (Larimer County, Colorado)]], [[Fisher Run]], [[Flint River (Alabama)]], [[Forest River (North Dakota)]], [[Forked Deer River]], [[Fox River (Illinois River tributary)]], [[Galena River (Illinois)]], [[Glade Run]], [[Glen Brook]], [[Goose River (North Dakota)]], [[Great Ditch]], [[Green Brook]], [[Green Creek (Ohio)]], [[Green River (Illinois)]], [[Harveys Creek]], [[Hatchie River]], [[Hess Hollow]], [[Homosassa River]], [[Hot Creek (Mono County, California)]], [[Hunkydory Creek]], [[Ichetucknee River]], [[Indian River (Florida)]], [[Indian River (Mullett Lake)]], [[Ithan Creek]], [[Johnson Creek (Lithia Springs Creek)]], [[Juan de Bolas River]], [[Kase Run]], [[Kehly Run]], [[Kern Run]], [[Killbuck Creek (Kishwaukee River)]], [[Klingermans Run]], [[L'Anguille River]], [[Lackawanna River]], [[Lake Fork Gunnison River]], [[Lick Run (White Deer Creek)]], [[Little Buffalo River (Tennessee)]], [[Little Choctawhatchee River]], [[Little Crooked Run]], [[Little Doe River]], [[Little Harpeth River]], [[Little Menominee River]], [[Little Miami River]], [[Little Obed River]], [[Little Pine Creek (Luzerne and Columbia Counties, Pennsylvania)]], [[Little Red River (Texas)]], [[Little River (St. Francis River)]], [[Little Snake River]], [[Little Susitna River]], [[Long Run (Nescopeck Creek)]], [[Loosahatchie River]], [[Lost Creek (Shenandoah Creek)]], [[Lummi River]], [[Luphers Run]], [[Manistee River]], [[Menominee River (Illinois)]], [[Messers Run]], [[Metolius River]], [[Michigan River]], [[Middle Creek (Schwaben Creek)]], [[Mile Run (White Deer Creek)]], [[Mill Creek (Davidson County, Tennessee)]], [[Mokeler Creek]], [[Morrow County, Ohio]], [[Mouse Creek (Schwaben Creek)]], [[Mud Creek (Chillisquaque Creek)]], [[Mulberry River (Arkansas)]], [[Negro Hollow]], [[Nemiscau River]], [[North Branch Kishwaukee River]], [[North Fork Big Thompson River]], [[North Fork Red River]], [[North Mahanoy Creek]], [[Noxubee River]], [[Oak Run (Wolf Run)]], [[Obey River]], [[Ocklawaha River]], [[Otter Creek (Tennessee)]], [[Owens Creek (Kishwaukee River)]], [[Pacific Creek (Teton County, Wyoming)]], [[Pagee River]], [[Pea River]], [[Pease River]], [[Pecatonica River]], [[Pikes Creek]], [[Pine Creek (Rock River)]], [[Piney River (Colorado)]], [[Piscasaw Creek]], [[Plum River]], [[Poplar Creek (Tennessee)]], [[Prairie Dog Town Fork Red River]], [[Raccoon Creek (Tomhicken Creek)]], [[Rapid River (Maine)]], [[Rattling Run (Little Mahanoy Creek)]], [[Red River (Cumberland River)]], [[Rivière aux eaux mortes (Mékinac)]], [[Roaring River (Colorado)]], [[Roaring River (Tennessee)]], [[Rocky River (Alaska)]], [[Rocky River (Ohio)]], [[Rush Creek (Kishwaukee River)]], [[Saline River (Ouachita River)]], [[Salt Fork Brazos River]], [[Schleppi Run]], [[Sepulga River]], [[Shingle Run (Huntington Creek)]], [[Silver Creek (Arizona)]], [[Sinsinawa River]], [[Six Mile Run (New Jersey)]], [[Skokie River]], [[Skwentna River]], [[Snapper Creek]], [[Solomon Creek]], [[South Branch Kishwaukee River]], [[Spring Brook (Lackawanna River)]], [[Spring Creek (White Deer Hole Creek)]], [[Spring River (Arkansas)]], [[Spring Run (West Branch Susquehanna River)]], [[Spruce Run (Little Fishing Creek)]], [[St. Marys River (Indiana and Ohio)]], [[Strawberry River (Arkansas)]], [[Stroudwater River]], [[Sugar River (Wisconsin)]], [[Sugarloaf Creek]], [[Sulphur Gulch]], [[Susitna River]], [[Susquehecka Creek]], [[Swift River (Maine)]], [[Talachulitna River]], [[Talkeetna River]], [[Thorn Creek]], [[Tierra Blanca Creek]], [[Tinkers Creek (Cuyahoga River)]], [[Trexler Run]], [[Trout Brook (Toby Creek)]], [[Tunis Run]], [[Turkey Run (West Branch Susquehanna River)]], [[Tuscumbia River]], [[Twomile Run]], [[User:Drcrazy102/sandbox/Kansas River infoboxes]], [[Washita River]], [[Waukegan River]], [[West Branch Brandywine Creek]], [[Wetzel Run]], [[Whatcom Creek]], [[White Deer Creek]], [[Wilson Run]], [[Wolfhouse Run]], [[Wood River (Oregon)]], [[Yachats River]], [[Yellow Creek (Illinois)]], [[Yentna River]], [[Zerbe Run]]
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| elevation_m || [[Abe River]], [[Abloux]], [[Acher]], [[Adour]], [[Agano River]], [[Agatsuma River]], [[Agi River]], [[Aibiki River]], [[Ailette (river)]], [[Airain]], [[Akanyaru River]], [[Alb (Southern Black Forest)]], [[Albarine]], [[Alcanadre (river)]], [[Allaine (river)]], [[Alp (river)]], [[Alzette]], [[Alène]], [[Anglin]], [[Arconce]], [[Argen]], [[Arz (river)]], [[Asse (river)]], [[Asuwa River]], [[Aubetin]], [[Aujon]], [[Auroue]], [[Aux Rochers River]], [[Auzoue]], [[Avers Rhine]], [[Babai River]], [[Balsemão River]], [[Banfe (Lahn)]], [[Barguelonne]], [[Barguelonnette]], [[Barren Fork]], [[Barse]], [[Basentello]], [[Batiscan River]], [[Batnfjordelva]], [[Beaver Creek (Tennessee)]], [[Bekelbach]], [[Benaize]], [[Bergantes (river)]], [[Biała (Supraśl)]], [[Bidente-Ronco]], [[Big Sandy River (Tennessee)]], [[Biscubio]], [[Bist (river)]], [[Black Lauter]], [[Blackwater River (Florida)]], [[Blaise (Marne)]], [[Blanice (Sázava)]], [[Bléone]], [[Bois Brule River]], [[Bouble]], [[Bourbince]], [[Bourbre]], [[Boutonne]], [[Bouzanne]], [[Bradano]], [[Brame]], [[Bregenzer Ach]], [[Briance]], [[Brotenaubach]], [[Burano (river)]], [[Calavon]], [[Candigliano]], [[Carapelle (river)]], [[Carapellotto]], [[Caroní River]], [[Castellano (river)]], [[Chalaronne]], [[Chapeauroux]], [[Charpentier River]], [[Chassezac]], [[Chavanon]], [[Chienti]], [[Chixoy River]], [[Chusovaya River]], [[Chère]], [[Chée]], [[Chéran]], [[Cinca (Spain)]], [[Clouère]], [[Coal River (New Zealand)]], [[Cobb River (New Zealand)]], [[Coello River]], [[Colagne]], [[Conasauga Creek]], [[Conca (river)]], [[Cook River]], [[Copland River]], [[Cosson]], [[Cox River (New Zealand)]], [[Crooked River (New Zealand)]], [[Cropp River]], [[Crow River (Canterbury)]], [[Crow River (West Coast)]], [[Céor]], [[Céou]], [[Cérou]], [[Côle]], [[Côney]], [[D'Urville River]], [[Dadou]], [[Dart River (Otago)]], [[Daugava (river)]], [[Dead River (Lake County, Florida)]], [[Deception River]], [[Deepdale River]], [[Demićka]], [[Dickson River, New Zealand]], [[Dill (river)]], [[Dirillo]], [[Dischmabach]], [[Diège]], [[Djedi River]], [[Dniester]], [[Donne River]], [[Doubtful River (New Zealand)]], [[Doubtless River]], [[Dourdou de Camarès]], [[Dragonja]], [[Dravinja]], [[Drôme (Aure)]], [[Durance]], [[Dōzan River]], [[East Bay River]], [[Eckbach]], [[Eder]], [[Edo River]], [[Eira River]], [[Eisbach (Rhine)]], [[Elle (river)]], [[Ennepe]], [[Ergolz]], [[Erlenbach (Speyerbach)]], [[Falbecke]], [[False River (Quebec)]], [[Fiastra (river)]], [[Fiastrone]], [[Fier (river)]], [[Flint River (Alabama)]], [[Flåmselvi]], [[Foglia]], [[Forked Deer River]], [[Fraser River (Newfoundland and Labrador)]], [[Fuji River]], [[Galaure]], [[Galya Stream]], [[Gaula (Sogn og Fjordane)]], [[Gaula (Sør-Trøndelag)]], [[Gehlsbach (river)]], [[Gender (stream)]], [[German Thaya]], [[Gesse]], [[Gier (river)]], [[Gijou]], [[Glisborn]], [[Glogn]], [[Glâne (river)]], [[Gojō River]], [[Grand River Bostonnais (Portneuf)]], [[Grande Sauldre]], [[Gravona]], [[Grosne (river)]], [[Guadarrama (river)]], [[Guil]], [[Gōnokawa River]], [[Hatchie River]], [[Hida River]], [[Hinterrhein (river)]], [[Hochspeyerbach]], [[Homosassa River]], [[Ibi River]], [[Ibie]], [[Ichetucknee River]], [[Idice]], [[Ijira River]], [[Ilfis (river)]], [[Ill (Vorarlberg)]], [[Indian River (Florida)]], [[Indrois]], [[Inn (river)]], [[Isawa River]], [[Isenach]], [[Itadori River]], [[Itoshiro River]], [[Itz]], [[Iványi Stream]], [[Jeannotte River]], [[Jinzū River]], [[Johor River]], [[Jostedøla]], [[Juine]], [[Jølstra]], [[Jōganji River]], [[Kakehashi River]], [[Kamnik Bistrica]], [[Kamo River]], [[Kano River]], [[Kapuas River]], [[Kapuas River (Barito River)]], [[Karlinbach]], [[Kecskés Stream]], [[Kelantan River]], [[Khulm River]], [[Kiso River]], [[Klejnárka]], [[Krähenbach]], [[Kuban River]], [[Kuise River]], [[Kumano River]], [[Kuriyama River]], [[Kuta River]], [[Kuzuryū River]], [[L'Anguille River]], [[Lahn]], [[Lamone (river)]], [[Landwasser (river)]], [[Langvassåga]], [[Lauter (Neckar)]], [[Lay (river)]], [[Layon]], [[Leie]], [[Lengyendi Stream]], [[Lhasa River]], [[Lick Run (West Branch Susquehanna River)]], [[Light River (South Australia)]], [[Lignon (Ardèche)]], [[Lignon du Forez]], [[Lignon du Velay]], [[Lindach]], [[Little Choctawhatchee River]], [[Little Doe River]], [[Little Harpeth River]], [[Little Mékinac North River]], [[Little Obed River]], [[Little River (St. Francis River)]], [[Little Smoky River]], [[Lizonne]], [[Loing]], [[Loosahatchie River]], [[Lunain]], [[Luzège]], [[Lèze]], [[Madon]], [[Mahoning River]], [[Malše]], [[Manonga River]], [[Maronne]], [[Merkys]], [[Messingåga]], [[Meu]], [[Mill Creek (Davidson County, Tennessee)]], [[Mindszenti Stream]], [[Moder (river)]], [[Molde (river)]], [[Montone (river)]], [[Moravian Thaya]], [[Mortagne (river)]], [[Mulberry River (Arkansas)]], [[Muota (river)]], [[Mur (river)]], [[Mußbach]], [[Münsterer Alte]], [[Nahualate River]], [[Nanu Oya]], [[Nemiscau River]], [[Neo River]], [[Ngondoma River]], [[Nimpkish River]], [[Nimu Maqu River]], [[North Fork River (Missouri–Arkansas)]], [[Obey River]], [[Ocklawaha River]], [[Oirase River]], [[Omono River]], [[Ondaine]], [[Orbieu]], [[Orkla (river)]], [[Orne (river)]], [[Osam]], [[Osse (river)]], [[Othain]], [[Otter Creek (Tennessee)]], [[Oudon (river)]], [[Our (river)]], [[Ource]], [[Ozanne]], [[Pea River]], [[Petite Baïse]], [[Petite Creuse]], [[Petite Sauldre]], [[Pfrimm]], [[Pilgerbach (Eder)]], [[Pirita (river)]], [[Plura (river)]], [[Poplar Creek (Tennessee)]], [[Pyana River]], [[Rabbi (river)]], [[Radolfzeller Aach]], [[Rauma (river)]], [[Red River (Cumberland River)]], [[Rega]], [[Rehbach (Palatinate)]], [[Rein da Maighels]], [[Rein da Medel]], [[Reting Tsangpo]], [[Rhue (river)]], [[Rhünda (river)]], [[Rienz]], [[River Fowey]], [[River Nevis]], [[River Đáy]], [[Rivière aux eaux mortes (Mékinac)]], [[Rivière du Loup (Bas-Saint-Laurent)]], [[Roaring River (Tennessee)]], [[Rohni River]], [[Rottum (river)]], [[Ruamahanga River]], [[Run (stream)]], [[Rupt de Mad]], [[Rère]], [[Rēzekne (river)]], [[Saane/Sarine]], [[Sagami River]], [[Saint Denys River]], [[Sainte-Marguerite River]], [[Salamá River]], [[Saline River (Ouachita River)]], [[Salleron]], [[Samoggia]], [[San Marino (river)]], [[Sapucaí-Mirim River]], [[Sarugaishi River]], [[Sauer]], [[Savena]], [[Savio (river)]], [[Schwarzbach (Blies)]], [[Schwinge (Elbe)]], [[Schönau (river)]], [[Semme]], [[Semnon]], [[Semois]], [[Senouire]], [[Sepulga River]], [[Seugne]], [[Sevron]], [[Shatt al-Arab]], [[Shizukuishi River]], [[Shkotovka River]], [[Shubenacadie River]], [[Shō River]], [[Shōnai River]], [[Siak River]], [[Sim River]], [[Sina River]], [[Sioule]], [[Sissle]], [[Smagne]], [[Solnan]], [[Someș River]], [[Sorgues (river)]], [[Sormonne (river)]], [[Souleuvre]], [[Speyerbach]], [[Spiegelbach]], [[Strawberry River (Arkansas)]], [[Suippe]], [[Sura River]], [[Svelgen (river)]], [[Sverka]], [[Syre]], [[Sâne Morte]], [[Sâne Vive]], [[Séoune]], [[Takahara River]], [[Tardes (river)]], [[Tawachiche River]], [[Tawachiche West River]], [[Tenna (river)]], [[Tenryū River]], [[Thao River]], [[Thoré]], [[Théols]], [[Toba River (Gifu)]], [[Tone River]], [[Touch (river)]], [[Tovdalselva]], [[Triouzoune]], [[Trojanka (river)]], [[Tsuru River]], [[Tuscumbia River]], [[Tverråga]], [[Tya (river)]], [[Tószeri Stream]], [[Ubaté River]], [[Uniti]], [[Urauchi River]], [[User:LADave/Sandbox]], [[Vachon River]], [[Vaige]], [[Vallière (river)]], [[Valser Rhine]], [[Vauvise]], [[Verman River]], [[Versoix (river)]], [[Verzée]], [[Volane]], [[Volme]], [[Voueize]], [[Vydra (river)]], [[Vègre]], [[Vère]], [[Waga River]], [[Waipa River]], [[Watarase River]], [[Water of Leith (New Zealand)]], [[West Rapti River]], [[White Lauter]], [[Wild Weißeritz]], [[Wutach (river)]], [[Yahagi River]], [[Yalgar River]], [[Yon]], [[Yuryuzan River]], [[Yōrō River]], [[Èvre]], [[Ével]], [[Úhlava]], [[Česma]], [[Ōi River]], [[Šventoji (Neris)]]
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| etymology || [[Beaver Run (Buffalo Creek)]], [[Beaver Run (Catawissa Creek)]], [[Bennys Run]], [[Big Wapwallopen Creek]], [[Bloody Run (West Branch Fishing Creek)]], [[Cabin Run]], [[Catawissa Creek]], [[Chillisquaque Creek]], [[Corn Run]], [[Cranberry Run]], [[Deep Hollow (West Branch Fishing Creek)]], [[Devil Hole Run]], [[East Branch Chillisquaque Creek]], [[Econlockhatchee River]], [[Eder]], [[Fallow Hollow]], [[Fisher Run]], [[Frozen Run]], [[Furnace Run (Catawissa Creek)]], [[Furnace Run (Shamokin Creek)]], [[Glade Run]], [[Glen Brook]], [[Hammersley Fork]], [[Hess Hollow]], [[Hockley Brook]], [[Hop Bottom Creek]], [[Kase Run]], [[Keyser Creek]], [[Kline Hollow Run]], [[Lackawanna River]], [[Leggetts Creek]], [[Lhasa River]], [[Little Catawissa Creek]], [[Little Green Creek]], [[Little Shickshinny Creek]], [[Middle Branch Chillisquaque Creek]], [[Mill Creek (Roaring Creek)]], [[Mine Gap Run]], [[Minnehaha Creek]], [[Mud Creek (Chillisquaque Creek)]], [[Mud Run (Green Creek)]], [[Nanticoke Creek]], [[Neretva]], [[North Fork Tangascootack Creek]], [[Oley Creek]], [[Quaker Run]], [[Raven Creek]], [[Rickard Hollow]], [[River Rea]], [[Roaring Creek (Pennsylvania)]], [[Rough Run]], [[Shamokin Creek]], [[Shickshinny Creek]], [[Someș River]], [[Tangascootack Creek]], [[Tenmile Run (Susquehanna River)]], [[User:LADave/Sandbox]], [[User:Pfly/tests]], [[West Branch Chillisquaque Creek]], [[White Deer Creek]], [[Wolfhouse Run]], [[Yankee Run]]
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| length_km || [[Aabach (Afte)]], [[Abe River]], [[Abista]], [[Ablach (Danube)]], [[Abloux]], [[Acadia River]], [[Acher]], [[Acheron River (Marlborough)]], [[Acolin]], [[Adour]], [[Afon Eden]], [[Agano River]], [[Agatsuma River]], [[Agi River]], [[Agluona (Akmenė)]], [[Aguán River]], [[Ai River (Gifu)]], [[Aibiki River]], [[Ailette (river)]], [[Airain]], [[Akchim River]], [[Akkarzhanka]], [[Aknysta (river)]], [[Alb (Southern Black Forest)]], [[Albarine]], [[Alcanadre (river)]], [[Algama River]], [[Alkupis (Nevėžis)]], [[Allaikha River]], [[Allakh-Yun River]], [[Alta River]], [[Alte Luppe]], [[Aluona]], [[Alzette]], [[Alène]], [[Amalis]], [[Amedichi River]], [[Anadyr River]], [[Anarjohka]], [[Anchicayá River]], [[Andi Koysu]], [[Anglin]], [[Antholzer Bach]], [[Anyl River]], [[Aragua River]], [[Arata River]], [[Arconce]], [[Argen]], [[Aricanduva River]], [[Arie River]], [[Arz (river)]], [[Asovka River]], [[Aspa River]], [[Asse (river)]], [[Asuwa River]], [[Attert (river)]], [[Aubetin]], [[Aujon]], [[Aura (Archipelago Sea)]], [[Aura (Norway)]], [[Auroue]], [[Aux Rochers River]], [[Auzoue]], [[Avers Rhine]], [[Avon River (Canterbury)]], [[Avon River (Marlborough)]], [[Awarua River (Northland)]], [[Ayya River]], [[Babka River]], [[Badiya River]], [[Bahra (river)]], [[Balsemão River]], [[Baltupis]], [[Banfe (Lahn)]], [[Bappagay River]], [[Barda River]], [[Barduelva]], [[Barguelonne]], [[Barguelonnette]], [[Barren Fork]], [[Barse]], [[Bartym River]], [[Basentello]], [[Batiscan River]], [[Batnfjordelva]], [[Bayeux (river)]], [[Bekelbach]], [[Belaya River (Kuban)]], [[Benaize]], [[Berezina River]], [[Bergantes (river)]], [[Beryozovaya River]], [[Beryozovka River (Perm Krai)]], [[Bhavani River]], [[Biała (Supraśl)]], [[Biber (Rhine)]], [[Big Sandy River (Tennessee)]], [[Biscubio]], [[Bist (river)]], [[Bizyarka River]], [[Black Lauter]], [[Blaise (Marne)]], [[Blanice (Sázava)]], [[Bletterbach]], [[Blue Nile]], [[Blue River (New Zealand)]], [[Bléone]], [[Bobritzsch (river)]], [[Bolshaya Gorevaya River]], [[Bolshaya Kumina River]], [[Bolshaya Lyampa]], [[Bolshaya Martayka River]], [[Bolshaya Nevka River]], [[Bolshaya Rassokha River]], [[Bolshaya Vaya River]], [[Bolshaya Zolotanka River]], [[Bolshoy Ashap River]], [[Bolshoy Chabes River]], [[Bolshoy Kub River]], [[Bolshoy Lip River]], [[Bolshoy Salym River]], [[Bolshoy Zelenchuk River]], [[Bosut (river)]], [[Bouble]], [[Bourbince]], [[Bourbre]], [[Boutonne]], [[Bouzanne]], [[Bradano]], [[Braid Burn]], [[Brame]], [[Brasta (Nevėžis)]], [[Bregalnica]], [[Bregenzer Ach]], [[Briance]], [[Brotenaubach]], [[Bubyl River]], [[Buy River]], [[Bym River]], [[Bymok River]], [[Byrma River]], [[Bystrzyca (Odra)]], [[Bến Hải River]], [[Caeté River (Pará)]], [[Calavon]], [[Candigliano]], [[Carapelle (river)]], [[Carapellotto]], [[Caroní River]], [[Castellano (river)]], [[Catawissa Creek]], [[Caura River (Venezuela)]], [[Causapscal River]], [[Cavalla River]], [[Cena (river)]], [[Chagan River]], [[Chagan River (tributary of Irtysh River)]], [[Chalaronne]], [[Chanva River]], [[Chapeauroux]], [[Charest River]], [[Charpentier River]], [[Chassezac]], [[Chateauguay River]], [[Chavanon]], [[Chienti]], [[Chikman River]], [[Chikugo River]], [[Chudova River]], [[Chugrum River]], [[Chuklya River]], [[Chural River]], [[Chusovaya River]], [[Chyornaya River]], [[Chyornaya Turka River]], [[Chère]], [[Chée]], [[Chéran]], [[Cinca (Spain)]], [[Clarence River (New Zealand)]], [[Clouère]], [[Clutha River]], [[Coaticook River]], [[Coello River]], [[Colagne]], [[Collins River (New Zealand)]], [[Conasauga Creek]], [[Conca (river)]], [[Cook River]], [[Copland River]], [[Cosson]], [[Couzon river]], [[Cox River (New Zealand)]], [[Croche River (La Tuque)]], [[Crooked River (New Zealand)]], [[Cropp River]], [[Crow River (West Coast)]], [[Céor]], [[Céou]], [[Cérou]], [[Côle]], [[Côney]], [[D'Urville River]], [[Dabikinė]], [[Dadou]], [[Dagia]], [[Dahle (river)]], [[Dalnyk River]], [[Dan River (Shaanxi)]], [[Dart River (Otago)]], [[Daugava (river)]], [[Demićka]], [[Dickson River, New Zealand]], [[Dill (river)]], [[Dirillo]], [[Dischmabach]], [[Diège]], [[Djedi River]], [[Dniester]], [[Dobson River (New Zealand)]], [[Donne River]], [[Doon River]], [[Dorlay]], [[Doubtful River (New Zealand)]], [[Doubtless River]], [[Dourdou de Camarès]], [[Dozovka River]], [[Dragonja]], [[Dranse (Haute-Savoie)]], [[Dranse d'Abondance]], [[Dravinja]], [[Driva]], [[Drôme (Aure)]], [[Du River]], [[Duilong River]], [[Durance]], [[Dzhurich River]], [[Döllnitz]], [[Dōzan River]], [[East Bay River]], [[Ebi River]], [[Eckbach]], [[Eder]], [[Edo River]], [[Eggentaler Bach]], [[Eira River]], [[Eisbach (Rhine)]], [[Eisch]], [[Elle (river)]], [[Elsava]], [[Ennepe]], [[Enns (river)]], [[Enz]], [[Erlenbach (Speyerbach)]], [[Eura (river)]], [[Exploits River]], [[Eyach (Enz)]], [[Falbecke]], [[Falschauer]], [[False River (Quebec)]], [[Fiastra (river)]], [[Fiastrone]], [[Fier (river)]], [[Flint River (Alabama)]], [[Flåmselvi]], [[Foglia]], [[Fox River (Westland)]], [[Fraser River (Newfoundland and Labrador)]], [[Fuji River]], [[Galaure]], [[Galga]], [[Ganges]], [[Gauja (Neman)]], [[Gaula (Sogn og Fjordane)]], [[Gaula (Sør-Trøndelag)]], [[Gdovka River]], [[Gehlsbach (river)]], [[Gender (stream)]], [[German Thaya]], [[Gervė]], [[Gesse]], [[Getar River]], [[Gier (river)]], [[Gijou]], [[Gilasys]], [[Glisborn]], [[Glogn]], [[Glukhaya Vilva River]], [[Glâne (river)]], [[Gojō River]], [[Goroku River]], [[Govorukha River]], [[Graisupis]], [[Gramas]], [[Gran Ega]], [[Gravona]], [[Grieža]], [[Grosne (river)]], [[Gryaznukha River]], [[Grønfjellåga]], [[Gsieser Bach]], [[Guadarrama (river)]], [[Guanipa River]], [[Guil]], [[Gut River]], [[Guye (river)]], [[Guárico River]], [[Göksu]], [[Gōnokawa River]], [[Haast River]], [[Hanami River]], [[Hatchie River]], [[Helmand River]], [[Heusden Canal]], [[Hida River]], [[Hinterrhein (river)]], [[Hochspeyerbach]], [[Homosassa River]], [[Hori River (Nagoya)]], [[Hornaday River]], [[Hurons River (Richelieu Valley)]], [[Hutt River (New Zealand)]], [[Ibi River]], [[Ibie]], [[Ichetucknee River]], [[Ichinomiya River]], [[Idice]], [[Iecava (river)]], [[Igan River]], [[Iijoki]], [[Ijira River]], [[Ilfis (river)]], [[Ill (Vorarlberg)]], [[Indian River (Florida)]], [[Indian River Lagoon]], [[Indiga River]], [[Indija (river)]], [[Indrois]], [[Inn (river)]], [[Innbach]], [[Inukami River]], [[Inva River]], [[Ipiranga Brook]], [[Irati (river)]], [[Iren River]], [[Irgina River]], [[Isawa River]], [[Isenach]], [[Ishim River]], [[Istra (Rauma)]], [[Isumi River]], [[Itadori River]], [[Itz]], [[Iwaki River]], [[Jamieson River]], [[Janon]], [[Jeannotte River]], [[Jhelum River]], [[Jinzū River]], [[Johor River]], [[Jostedøla]], [[Juine]], [[Juodupė (Tatula)]], [[Juutuanjoki]], [[Jølstra]], [[Jōganji River]], [[Jūra]], [[Kad River]], [[Kagalnik River]], [[Kakehashi River]], [[Kakita River]], [[Kalaus River]], [[Kamnik Bistrica]], [[Kamo River]], [[Kano River]], [[Kapuas River]], [[Kapuas River (Barito River)]], [[Karasu River (Gunma)]], [[Karlinbach]], [[Katsura River]], [[Kawaura River]], [[Kehelgamu Oya]], [[Kelani River]], [[Kelantan River]], [[Kerikeri River (Waikato)]], [[Khobi (river)]], [[Khulm River]], [[Kiso River]], [[Kitakami River]], [[Klamputis]], [[Klejnárka]], [[Klyuchyovka River]], [[Koito River]], [[Kolva River (Perm Krai)]], [[Kormilovka River]], [[Kosa River]], [[Kosva River]], [[Kotmale Oya]], [[Kotra (river)]], [[Kourou (river)]], [[Koyva River]], [[Krapina (river)]], [[Kruostas]], [[Krähenbach]], [[Kuara River]], [[Kuban River]], [[Kuise River]], [[Kultym River]], [[Kumano River]], [[Kumay River]], [[Kungur River]], [[Kupa (Lėvuo)]], [[Kuriyama River]], [[Kurmakash River]], [[Kurobe River (Chiba Prefecture)]], [[Kushtanka River]], [[Kuta River]], [[Kutim River]], [[Kuzuryū River]], [[L'Anguille River]], [[Laba River]], [[Lahn]], [[Lakselva]], [[Lamandau River]], [[Lamone (river)]], [[Lan River]], [[Landwasser (river)]], [[Latava]], [[Lato (river)]], [[Lauter (Neckar)]], [[Lay (river)]], [[Layon]], [[Leie]], [[Lel River]], [[Lhasa River]], [[Liepona]], [[Light River (South Australia)]], [[Lightning River]], [[Lignon (Ardèche)]], [[Lignon du Forez]], [[Lignon du Velay]], [[Little Bostonnais River]], [[Little Choctawhatchee River]], [[Little Duck River]], [[Little Harpeth River]], [[Little Mékinac North River]], [[Little Obed River]], [[Little River (St. Francis River)]], [[Little Sequatchie River]], [[Lizonne]], [[Locone]], [[Loing]], [[Lokys (river)]], [[Loosahatchie River]], [[Louge]], [[Lunain]], [[Luzège]], [[Lyamin River]], [[Lyapin River]], [[Lypiya River]], [[Lyzovka River]], [[Lätäseno]], [[Lèze]], [[Madon]], [[Mahoning River]], [[Main (river)]], [[Makita River]], [[Malaya Sol River]], [[Maly Ashap River]], [[Maly Chabes River]], [[Maly Kub River]], [[Maly Lip River]], [[Malčius]], [[Malše]], [[Mandalselva]], [[Mangapehi River]], [[Manych River]], [[Mareb River]], [[Markha River (Lena)]], [[Marokopa River]], [[Maronne]], [[Marycha]], [[Matawin River (Quebec)]], [[Matukituki River]], [[Maze River (Japan)]], [[Merbok River]], [[Merkys]], [[Messalo River]], [[Messingåga]], [[Meu]], [[Miguick River (Quebec)]], [[Mill Creek (Davidson County, Tennessee)]], [[Min River (Fujian)]], [[Misa (river in Latvia)]], [[Mississippi River (Ontario)]], [[Mistaya River]], [[Moder (river)]], [[Molde (river)]], [[Molmys River]], [[Molyobka River (Asovka River)]], [[Montone (river)]]
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| length_mi || [[Abrahams Creek]], [[Ackerly Creek]], [[Ahmik River]], [[Alexander Creek (Susitna River)]], [[Ana River]], [[Anderson River (Indiana)]], [[Aravaipa Creek]], [[Arnold Creek (Huntington Creek)]], [[Arroyo Simi]], [[Ashelman Run]], [[Au Gres River]], [[Aylesworth Creek]], [[Baker Run]], [[Balliet Run]], [[Barnes Run]], [[Barren Fork]], [[Batiscan River]], [[Battle Creek River]], [[Bayou Gulch]], [[Bayou Meto River]], [[Bean Run]], [[Bear Brook (Roaring Brook)]], [[Bear Hollow Creek]], [[Beartrap Hollow]], [[Bearwallow Run]], [[Beaver Creek (Buttermilk Creek)]], [[Beaver Run (Bowman Creek)]], [[Beaver Run (Buffalo Creek)]], [[Beaver Run (Catawissa Creek)]], [[Beaver Run (Chillisquaque Creek)]], [[Beaver Run (County Line Branch)]], [[Becks Run]], [[Bee Sellers Hollow]], [[Bell Creek (Pine Creek)]], [[Bennys Run]], [[Benson Hollow]], [[Beth Run]], [[Bhavani River]], [[Big Muddy River]], [[Big Run (East Branch Fishing Creek)]], [[Big Run (West Branch Fishing Creek)]], [[Big Sable River]], [[Big Sandy River (Tennessee)]], [[Big Wapwallopen Creek]], [[Billings Mill Brook]], [[Birch Island Run]], [[Black Ash Creek]], [[Black Creek (Susquehanna River)]], [[Black Mallard River]], [[Black River (Arkansas)]], [[Black River (Cheboygan County)]], [[Black River (Indiana)]], [[Black Run (Spruce Run)]], [[Black Run (West Branch Susquehanna River)]], [[Blackberry Run]], [[Blackstone River]], [[Blackwater River (Missouri)]], [[Blizzards Run]], [[Bloody Run (West Branch Fishing Creek)]], [[Boardman River]], [[Boile Run]], [[Bois Brule River]], [[Bois de Sioux River]], [[Boneyard Creek]], [[Bonpas Creek]], [[Boston Run]], [[Bouie River]], [[Bow Creek (Big Wapwallopen Creek)]], [[Bowman Creek]], [[Brace Brook]], [[Briar Creek (Susquehanna River)]], [[Brish Run]], [[Broad Hollow Run]], [[Brown Creek]], [[Browns Creek (Huntsville Creek)]], [[Bubbly Creek]], [[Buck Run (West Branch Brandywine Creek)]], [[Buffalo Creek (West Branch Susquehanna River)]], [[Buffalo River (Tennessee)]], [[Burbank Western Channel]], [[Butterfield Creek]], [[Buttermilk Creek (Susquehanna River)]], [[Butternut Run]], [[Cabin Run]], [[Callender Gap Creek]], [[Canada Creek (Michigan)]], [[Cannonball River]], [[Carbon Run]], [[Carp Lake River]], [[Casey Creek (Illinois)]], [[Catawissa Creek]], [[Catfish Creek (Texas)]], [[Charest River]], [[Cheboygan River]], [[Cherry Run (South Branch Bowman Creek)]], [[Chickasawhay River]], [[Chillisquaque Creek]], [[Chimneystack Run]], [[Chippewa River (Michigan)]], [[Chute River]], [[Cider Run (Bowman Creek)]], [[Cider Run (Sutton Creek)]], [[Cimarron River (Canadian River)]], [[Clarks Creek (Lackawanna River)]], [[Clear Creek (Colorado)]], [[Clover Hill Creek]], [[Coal Brook]], [[Coal Creek (Susquehanna River)]], [[Coal Run (North Branch Buffalo Creek)]], [[Coal Run (Shamokin Creek)]], [[Codorus Creek]], [[Coles Creek (Pennsylvania)]], [[Collins Creek]], [[Conasauga Creek]], [[Conety Run]], [[Coon Creek (Kishwaukee River)]], [[Copper River (Alaska)]], [[Corn Run]], [[County Line Branch]], [[Covey Swamp Creek]], [[Cowbell Hollow]], [[Cox Run]], [[Crab Run (Mahanoy Creek)]], [[Cranberry Creek]], [[Cranberry Run]], [[Creasy Creek]], [[Crooked Creek (Kitchen Creek)]], [[Crooked Run (Catawissa Creek)]], [[Cross Run]], [[Crystal River (Michigan)]], [[Culley Run]], [[Culver Creek (Pennsylvania)]], [[Darby Creek (Pennsylvania)]], [[Dark Run]], [[Davis Hollow]], [[Davis Run]], [[Dead River (Michigan)]], [[Deep Hollow (West Branch Fishing Creek)]], [[Deerlick Run]], [[Deshka River]], [[Devil Hole Run]], [[Dingman River]], [[Draft talk:MacNaughton Run/Temp]], [[Draft:MacNaughton Run]], [[Drakes Creek]], [[Dry Creek (Martins Creek)]], [[Dry Run (Susquehecka Creek)]], [[Dry Run (West Branch Susquehanna River)]], [[DuPage River]], [[Dymond Creek]], [[Eagle Hill River]], [[East Bay River]], [[East Branch Briar Creek]], [[East Branch Chillisquaque Creek]], [[East Branch Field Brook]], [[East Branch Fishing Creek]], [[East Branch Lackawanna River]], [[East Branch Martins Creek]], [[East Branch Raven Creek]], [[East Branch Roaring Brook]], [[East Branch South Branch Kishwaukee River]], [[East Fork Harveys Creek]], [[Eddy Creek (Lackawanna River)]], [[Edwards River (Illinois)]], [[Elk River (Michigan)]], [[Elk River (Oklahoma)]], [[Elk Run (West Branch Fishing Creek)]], [[Elkhart River]], [[Elm River (Illinois)]], [[Embarras River (Illinois)]], [[Emerson Run]], [[Espy Run]], [[Fades Creek]], [[Fall Brook (Lackawanna River)]], [[Fallow Hollow]], [[Falls Creek (Buttermilk Creek)]], [[Falls River (Michigan)]], [[Falls Run]], [[Fawn River (Michigan)]], [[Fiddle Lake Creek]], [[Field Brook]], [[Fisher Run]], [[Fitch Creek]], [[Flint River (Alabama)]], [[Forest River (North Dakota)]], [[Fox River (Illinois River tributary)]], [[Fox River (Little Wabash tributary)]], [[Fraser River (Colorado)]], [[Frenchman Creek]], [[Frozen Run]], [[Furnace Run (Catawissa Creek)]], [[Furnace Run (Shamokin Creek)]], [[Galena River (Illinois)]], [[Gallows Run]], [[Ganges]], [[Gardner Creek (Mill Creek)]], [[Gardner Creek (Susquehanna River)]], [[Gaskins Run]], [[Glade Run]], [[Glen Brook]], [[Goose River (North Dakota)]], [[Grass River (Michigan)]], [[Grassy Island Creek]], [[Gravel Run (Black Creek)]], [[Gravel Run (Susquehanna River)]], [[Green River (Illinois)]], [[Green River (Tennessee)]], [[Green Run (Spring Brook)]], [[Gun River]], [[Halfway Run]], [[Hallowing Run]], [[Hammersley Fork]], [[Hatchie River]], [[Heart River (Wyoming)]], [[Heberly Run]], [[Hemlock Run]], [[Henderson Creek (Illinois)]], [[Hess Hollow]], [[Hettesheimer Run]], [[Hicks Creek (Susquehanna River)]], [[Hog Run]], [[Homosassa River]], [[Hop Bottom Creek]], [[Horton Creek (Tunkhannock Creek)]], [[Hull Creek (Lackawanna River)]], [[Hunkydory Creek]], [[Hunlock Creek]], [[Hunts Run]], [[Huntsville Creek]], [[Hurricane River]], [[Ichetucknee River]], [[Indian Cave Creek]], [[Indian Creek (Fox River)]], [[Indian Creek (Mauses Creek)]], [[Indian Head River]], [[Indian River (Florida)]], [[Indian River Lagoon]], [[Iowa River]], [[Ipswich River]], [[Ithan Creek]], [[Jackson Creek (Susquehanna River)]], [[Johnson Creek (Lithia Springs Creek)]], [[Juan de Bolas River]], [[Karnes Hollow]], [[Kase Run]], [[Kashinka Hollow]], [[Keeler Creek]], [[Kellum Creek]], [[Kennedy Creek]], [[Kern Glen Creek]], [[Kern Run]], [[Kester Creek]], [[Kettle Creek (Pennsylvania)]], [[Keyser Creek]], [[Killbuck Creek (Kishwaukee River)]], [[Kingsbury Brook]], [[Kipps Run]], [[Kishwaukee River]], [[Kline Hollow Run]], [[Klingermans Run]], [[Kuiseb River]], [[Kyte River]], [[L'Anguille River]], [[La Moine River]], [[Lackawanna River]], [[Lake Run]], [[Lampblack Creek]], [[Langan Creek]], [[Laurel River]], [[Laurel Run (Huntington Creek)]], [[Laurel Run (Lackawanna River)]], [[Laurel Run (Mill Creek)]], [[Laurel Run (West Branch Fishing Creek)]], [[Leach Creek]], [[Lead Run]], [[Leaf River (Illinois)]], [[Lees Creek (Lackawanna River)]], [[Lees River]], [[Leggetts Creek]], [[Leland River]], [[Leonard Creek]], [[Lewis Creek (Susquehanna River)]], [[Lewis Run (Roaring Brook)]], [[Lick Branch]], [[Lick Creek (Sangamon River)]], [[Lick Creek (Shamokin Creek)]], [[Lick Run (Little Fishing Creek)]], [[Lick Run (Roaring Creek)]], [[Lick Run (West Branch Susquehanna River)]], [[Lick Run (White Deer Creek)]], [[Lidy Creek]], [[Lightning River]], [[Limestone Run (Montour and Northumberland Counties, Pennsylvania)]], [[Lindy Creek]], [[Lithia Springs Creek]], [[Little Black Creek]], [[Little Brier Run]], [[Little Buffalo Creek]], [[Little Buffalo River (Tennessee)]], [[Little Catawissa Creek]], [[Little Choctawhatchee River]], [[Little Crooked Run]], [[Little Darby Creek (Pennsylvania)]], [[Little Duck River]], [[Little Fishing Creek]], [[Little Green Creek]], [[Little Harpeth River]], [[Little Mackinaw River]], [[Little Marys River (Illinois)]], [[Little Menominee River]], [[Little Miami River]], [[Little Muddy River (Illinois)]], [[Little Nescopeck Creek]], [[Little Nescopeck Creek A]], [[Little Obed River]], [[Little Pine Creek (Luzerne and Columbia Counties, Pennsylvania)]], [[Little Red River (Texas)]], [[Little River (St. Francis River)]], [[Little Roaring Brook]], [[Little Roaring Creek]], [[Little Sequatchie River]], [[Little Shamokin Creek]], [[Little Shickshinny Creek]], [[Little Susitna River]], [[Little Tomhicken Creek]], [[Little Vermilion River (Illinois River)]], [[Little Wapwallopen Creek]], [[Locust Creek (Shamokin Creek)]], [[Lodgepole Creek]], [[Logan Run]], [[Long Hollow (Catawissa Creek)]], [[Long Run (Cranberry Creek)]], [[Long Run (Elk Run)]], [[Long Run (Nescopeck Creek)]], [[Looking Glass River]], [[Loosahatchie River]], [[Lost Creek (Shenandoah Creek)]], [[Lower Little Swatara Creek]], [[Lucky Run]], [[Luphers Run]], [[Macatawa River]], [[Mackinaw River]], [[Macoupin Creek]], [[Mahanoy Creek]], [[Mahoning Creek (Susquehanna River)]], [[Manhan River]], [[Manistee River]], [[Maple Run]], [[Maple Spring Brook]], [[Marsh Creek (Bowman Creek)]], [[Marsh Creek (Rogers Creek)]], [[Marsh Run]], [[Martin Creek (Susquehanna River)]], [[Marys River (Illinois)]], [[Mashpee River]], [[Mauses Creek]], [[Mazon River]], [[McKee Run]], [[Meadow Brook (Lackawanna River)]], [[Meeker Run]], [[Menominee River]], [[Menominee River (Illinois)]], [[Meredith Brook]], [[Meredith Creek]], [[Messers Run]], [[Metolius River]], [[Michigan River]], [[Middle Branch Chillisquaque Creek]], [[Middle Branch Newport Creek]], [[Middle Creek (Schwaben Creek)]], [[Middle Fork Vermilion River]], [[Mile Run (White Deer Creek)]], [[Mill Creek (Davidson County, Tennessee)]], [[Mill Creek (Lackawanna River)]], [[Mill Creek (Reilly Creek)]], [[Mill Creek (Roaring Creek)]], [[Mill Creek (Whitelock Creek)]], [[Mill Run (Susquehanna River)]], [[Miller Run]], [[Millers Run]], [[Millstone River]], [[Mine Gap Run]], [[Miners River]], [[Mitchler Run]], [[Mokeler Creek]], [[Moneypenny Creek]], [[Monroe Creek (Tunkhannock Creek)]], [[Montour Run]], [[Monument Creek (Spring Brook)]], [[Morrow County, Ohio]], [[Moshassuck River]], [[Mouse Creek (Schwaben Creek)]], [[Mud Creek (Chillisquaque Creek)]], [[Mud Run (Green Creek)]], [[Muddy Run (Spruce Run)]], [[Mulberry River (Arkansas)]], [[Muncy Creek]], [[Mékinac River]], [[Nanticoke Creek]], [[Nasketucket River]], [[Neches River]], [[Negro Hollow]], [[Newport Creek]], [[Newton Run]], [[Nonconnah Creek]], [[North Branch Bowman Creek]], [[North Branch Buffalo Creek]], [[North Branch Kishwaukee River]], [[North Branch Mahantango Creek]], [[North Branch Shamokin Creek]], [[North Fork Cache la Poudre River]], [[North Fork Embarras River]], [[North Fork Red River]], [[North Fork River (Missouri–Arkansas)]], [[North Fork Tangascootack Creek]], [[North Mahanoy Creek]], [[Noxubee River]], [[Noyyal River]], [[Nuangola Outlet]], [[Oak Run (Wolf Run)]], [[Obendoffers Creek]], [[Obey River]], [[Ocklawaha River]], [[Oley Creek]], [[Ore Run]], [[Otter Creek (Tennessee)]], [[Owens Creek (Kishwaukee River)]], [[Oxbow Creek]], [[Oxbow Inlet]], [[Oxhorn Run]], [[Packers Run]], [[Paddy Run]], [[Pagee River]], [[Paint Spring Run]], [[Painter Creek]], [[Painter Run]], [[Palar River]], [[Pancoast Creek]], [[Panther Creek (Mackinaw River)]], [[Panther Creek (Spring Brook)]], [[Panther Run]], [[Pea River]], [[Pease River]], [[Pecatonica River]], [[Peterman Run]], [[Phillips Creek]], [[Piedra River (Colorado)]], [[Pigeon Run (Sullivan Branch)]], [[Pikes Creek]], [[Pine Creek (Huntington Creek)]], [[Pine Creek (Rock River)]], [[Pine Creek (Solomon Creek)]], [[Pine River (Chippewa River)]], [[Piney River (Middle Tennessee)]], [[Piscasaw Creek]], [[Plank Bridge Creek]], [[Plaster Creek]], [[Plum Creek (Little Shamokin Creek)]], [[Plum River]], [[Pond Creek (Little Wapwallopen Creek)]], [[Poor Fork (Cumberland River)]], [[Portage River (Jackson County, Michigan)]], [[Portage River (Kalamazoo/St. Joseph Counties)]], [[Powderly Creek]], [[Prairie Dog Town Fork Red River]], [[Price Creek]], [[Providence River]], [[Quaker Run]], [[Quinn Run]], [[Raccoon Creek (Tomhicken Creek)]], [[Racket Brook]], [[Ralston Creek (Colorado)]], [[Rapid Run (Buffalo Creek)]], [[Rattlesnake Creek (Spring Brook)]], [[Rattling Run (Catawissa Creek)]], [[Rattling Run (Little Mahanoy Creek)]], [[Raups Run]], [[Raven Creek]], [[Red River (Cumberland River)]], [[Red River (Illinois)]], [[Red Spring Run]], [[Reedy River]], [[Reilly Creek]], [[Reservoir Creek]], [[Reyburn Creek]], [[Richelieu River]], [[Rickard Hollow]], [[River Angas]], [[River Avon, Warwickshire]], [[River Rouge (Michigan)]], [[Roaring Brook (Hunlock Creek)]], [[Roaring Brook (Lackawanna River)]], [[Roaring Creek (Pennsylvania)]], [[Roaring River (Tennessee)]], [[Roaring Run (Bowman Creek)]], [[Rock Bottom Creek]], [[Rock Creek (Kankakee River)]], [[Rock River (Mississippi River)]], [[Rocky River (Alaska)]], [[Rocky Run (Susquehanna River)]], [[Rogers Brook]]
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| location || [[Aa (Möhne)]], [[Aa (Nethe)]], [[Aa (Werre)]], [[Aabach (Hessel)]], [[Aal (Kocher)]], [[Aalbach (Main)]], [[Aalbek (Hemmelsdorfer See)]], [[Aalbek (Stör)]], [[Aalenbach]], [[Aar (Dill)]], [[Aar (Twiste)]], [[Aarbach]], [[Abbabach]], [[Ablach (Danube)]], [[Abrocksbach]], [[Accokeek Creek]], [[Accotink Creek]], [[Ach (Ammer)]], [[Ach (Blau)]], [[Acheron River (Marlborough)]], [[Adelbach]], [[Afferbach]], [[Affhöllerbach (Gersprenz)]], [[Affinger Bach]], [[Afte]], [[Agency Creek (South Yamhill River)]], [[Agluona (Akmenė)]], [[Ahle (Schwülme)]], [[Ahlersbach (Kinzig, Schlüchtern-Herolz)]], [[Ahlersbach (Kinzig, Schlüchtern-Niederzell)]], [[Ahne (Fulda)]], [[Ahre]], [[Ahse]], [[Aich (river)]], [[Aid (Würm)]], [[Ailsbach]], [[Aischbach (Körsch)]], [[Aiterach]], [[Aitrach (Danube)]], [[Aitrach (Iller)]], [[Aitzenbach]], [[Aknysta (river)]], [[Alabuga River]], [[Alaunbach]], [[Alb (Southern Black Forest)]], [[Albach (Wetter)]], [[Albaumer Bach]], [[Alche]], [[Alkupis (Nevėžis)]], [[Allna]], [[Alma River (New Zealand)]], [[Alp (river)]], [[Alpbach (Tegernsee)]], [[Alster (Itz)]], [[Alta River]], [[Alte Aller]], [[Alte Elbe]], [[Alte Emscher]], [[Alte Hessel]], [[Alte Issel]], [[Alte Luppe]], [[Alte Oder]], [[Alte Schlaube]], [[Altefeld]], [[Altenau (Alme)]], [[Aluona]], [[Amalis]], [[Amanzimtoti River]], [[Amorsbach]], [[Amper]], [[Anchicayá River]], [[Andelsbach]], [[Angel (river)]], [[Angerbach (Rhein)]], [[Anhangabaú River]], [[Ankerbach]], [[Anlauter]], [[Annenbach]], [[Ansbach (Usa)]], [[Antrift]], [[Anykšta]], [[Anón River]], [[Apaščia]], [[Apfelstädt (Gera)]], [[Aquia Creek]], [[Arbach (Neckar)]], [[Arbach (Schwäbische Rezat)]], [[Arbach (Wildebach)]], [[Arbachgraben]], [[Argen]], [[Aricanduva River]], [[Arivaca Creek]], [[Arlau]], [[Arnsbach (Usa)]], [[Arpe (Wenne, Berge)]], [[Arpe (Wenne, Niederberndorf)]], [[Arroyo de Abejuela]], [[Arzdorfer Bach]], [[Asbeke]], [[Aschbach (Wern)]], [[Aschenbach (Mühlbach)]], [[Asdorf]], [[Aselbach]], [[Aspenbach]], [[Asphe]], [[Attel]], [[Aubach (Aar)]], [[Aubach (Dill)]], [[Aubach (Elsava)]], [[Aubach (Lohr)]], [[Aubach (Schwabach)]], [[Aubach (bei Schwerin)]], [[Aue (Leine)]], [[Aue (Weser)]], [[Auelsbach]], [[Auer (Odenwald)]], [[Auer Bach]], [[Auer Mühlbach]], [[Auerbach (Günz)]], [[Auerbach (Kinzig)]], [[Aufseß (river)]], [[Augraben (Liederbach)]], [[Augraben (Nebel)]], [[Augraben (Tollense)]], [[Aukštoji Gervė]], [[Aula (river)]], [[Auma (river)]], [[Aupke]], [[Aura (Sinn)]], [[Aurach (Rednitz)]], [[Aurach (Regnitz, Mittelfranken)]], [[Aurach (Regnitz, Oberfranken)]], [[Auschnippe]], [[Autenbach]], [[Aux Rochers River]], [[Avenbach]], [[Avers Rhine]], [[Avižlys]], [[Axtbach]], [[Ašarėna]], [[Ažytė]], [[Baagebach]], [[Baarbach]], [[Babai River]], [[Babenhausener Bach]], [[Babocomari River]], [[Bach an dem Margrund]], [[Bach an dem Schreinersgrund]], [[Bach an dem Seegrund]], [[Bach an der Frohndelle]], [[Bach an der Kniewiese]], [[Bach vom Schlüsselgrund]], [[Bach von dem Kohl]], [[Bach von dem Vierstöck]], [[Bach von den Rehwiesen]], [[Bach von der Dickhecke]], [[Bachhaupter Laber]], [[Bachlauf an der Zietenstraße]], [[Bachmühlbach]], [[Bachquellengraben]], [[Bachseifen]], [[Bachwiesengraben]], [[Badische Eschach]], [[Bahra (river)]], [[Bahre]], [[Balge (river)]], [[Ballbek]], [[Balsemão River]], [[Baltupis]], [[Banfe (Lahn)]], [[Banzerbach]], [[Barnitz (river)]], [[Baron Fork of the Illinois River]], [[Barren Fork]], [[Barthe (river)]], [[Basshornlaufgraben]], [[Bastau]], [[Batschke]], [[Bauerngraben (Neue Luppe)]], [[Bauerngraben (Ohre)]], [[Bauna]], [[Baunach (river)]], [[Bayagán River]], [[Bayou St. John]], [[Beaver Creek (Tennessee)]], [[Beber (Ohre)]], [[Beberbach (Schunter)]], [[Bebra (Fulda)]], [[Beckendorfer Mühlenbach]], [[Beek (Hamme)]], [[Beerbach (Mergbach)]], [[Bega (Werre)]], [[Beibuschbach]], [[Beilbach]], [[Beise (Fulda)]], [[Bekau]], [[Beke (Lippe)]], [[Beke (Warnow)]], [[Bekelbach]], [[Belgenbach]], [[Bellamonter Rottum]], [[Bendahler Bach]], [[Benfe (Eder)]], [[Bennier Graben]], [[Bentgraben]], [[Bentreff]], [[Benzenbach]], [[Berchtesgadener Ache]], [[Berfa (Schwalm)]], [[Berghauser Bach]], [[Berkelbach]], [[Berlebecke]], [[Bermecke (Heve)]], [[Bermecke (Möhne)]], [[Berne (Ollen)]], [[Berneck (river)]], [[Berner Au]], [[Berste]], [[Beržuona]], [[Bessenbach (river)]], [[Bettenbach]], [[Betzenbach]], [[Beuster (Innerste)]], [[Bever (Oste)]], [[Bever (Weser)]], [[Bever (Wupper)]], [[Beverbach (Weser)]], [[Bewer]], [[Bexter]], [[Bhavani River]], [[Bhogavati river]], [[Biber (Möhne)]], [[Biber (Rhine)]], [[Biber (Schleuse)]], [[Biberbach (Danube)]], [[Biberbach (Main)]], [[Bibers]], [[Bibert]], [[Bibra (river)]], [[Bickenalb]], [[Bickgraben]], [[Bieber (Haune)]], [[Bieber (Kinzig)]], [[Bieber (Lahn)]], [[Bieber (Rodau)]], [[Bieberbach (Hönne)]], [[Biebė]], [[Bieke (Bigge)]], [[Bierbach (Gersprenz)]], [[Bietnitz]], [[Big Sandy River (Tennessee)]], [[Bigge (river)]], [[Bilsbek]], [[Bilsener Bek]], [[Bilsteinbach]], [[Bina (river)]], [[Birkigsbach]], [[Birvėta]], [[Bizzenbach]], [[Bißnitz]], [[Black Kocher]], [[Black Lauter]], [[Black Siepen]], [[Blackstone River]], [[Blackwater River (Florida)]], [[Blambach]], [[Blankenbach (Kahl)]], [[Blankenwaters Wiesengraben]], [[Bleichenbach (Nidder)]], [[Blender Emte]], [[Blinde Rot]], [[Blombach]], [[Bobritzsch (river)]], [[Bocholter Aa]], [[Bockhorner Bach]], [[Bois Brule River]], [[Boize]], [[Bolgenach]], [[Bolshaya Nevka River]], [[Bondenau]], [[Borbach (Ennepe)]], [[Borbach (Ruhr)]], [[Borlasbach]], [[Bormelsbach]], [[Born-Dorster-Bäk]], [[Bornscheider Bach]], [[Borstenbach]], [[Bos (Nahe)]], [[Bottwar]], [[Bowerre]], [[Boxbach]], [[Brabecke (Valme)]], [[Bracht (river)]], [[Brachtpe]], [[Bramschebach]], [[Bramstedter Beeke]], [[Brandbach]], [[Brasta (Nevėžis)]], [[Braubach (Liederbach)]], [[Braunau (river)]], [[Braunes Wasser]], [[Braunsel]], [[Brebach (Spreeler Bach)]], [[Brebowbach]], [[Brechelser Floß]], [[Bredenbek (Alster)]], [[Bredenbek (Bünzau)]], [[Brehmbach]], [[Breitbach (Main)]], [[Breitenbach (Bad Wiessee)]], [[Breitenbach (Echaz)]], [[Breitenbach (Erle)]], [[Breitenbrunner Bach]], [[Breitenbrunner Laber]], [[Breiter Graben]], [[Breitstrom]], [[Bremecke (Hoppecke)]], [[Bremecke (Möhne)]], [[Brensbach (Gersprenz)]], [[Bresenitz]], [[Brettach (Jagst)]], [[Brettach (Kocher)]], [[Briar Creek (Susquehanna River)]], [[Briese]], [[Briller Bach]], [[Broklandsau]], [[Brokstedter Au]], [[Brombach (Schwäbische Rezat)]], [[Bronnbach (river)]], [[Brotenaubach]], [[Bruchbach (Haggraben)]], [[Bruchhauser Bach]], [[Brucht]], [[Bruchwetter]], [[Bruckbach (Felchbach)]], [[Brumbach (Wipper)]], [[Brummeckebach]], [[Brunnbach (München)]], [[Brunndöbra]], [[Brunnisach]], [[Brunnthaler Quellbach]], [[Brunsbach (Sülz)]], [[Brunsbach (Wupper)]], [[Brüeler Bach]], [[Brühlbach]], [[Buberlesbach]], [[Bubesheimer Bach]], [[Bucaná River]], [[Buchbach (Speltach)]], [[Buchenbach (Lauter)]], [[Buchenbach (Murr)]], [[Buchenhofener Siepen]], [[Buchheller]], [[Buckau]], [[Bull Run (Occoquan River)]], [[Bumbungan River]], [[Burgauenbach]], [[Burgdorfer Aue]], [[Burgholzbach]], [[Burraubach]], [[Butterbach]], [[Buxach (Iller)]], [[Buxbach]], [[Bächlesbach]], [[Bäke (Telte)]], [[Bära]], [[Bärenbach (Furlbach)]], [[Bölkau]], [[Börnepader]], [[Börstelbach]], [[Bösbach]], [[Böse Sieben]], [[Büchelbach]], [[Bückener Mühlenbach]], [[Bühler (river)]], [[Bünzau]], [[Bürgerbuschbach]], [[Büschengraben]], [[Bėnupė]], [[Calenberger Bach]], [[Cameron Run]], [[Campaspe River (Queensland)]], [[Canje River]], [[Carpentier River]], [[Castaño Viejo River]], [[Casumer Bach]], [[Cauca River]], [[Cañas River (Ponce, Puerto Rico)]], [[Cerrillos River]], [[Chartiers Creek]], [[Chartiers Run (Chartiers Creek)]], [[Chateauguay River]], [[Cherry River (Quebec)]], [[Cheyyar River]], [[Chip Chap River]], [[Chiquito River (Ponce, Puerto Rico)]], [[Chopawamsic Creek]], [[Ciénega Creek]], [[Clarence River (New Zealand)]], [[Clear Fork (Oregon)]], [[Clever Au]], [[Coan River]], [[Coaticook River]], [[Colmnitzbach]], [[Comalapa River]], [[Compbach]], [[Conasauga Creek]], [[Concho River]], [[Conecuh River]], [[Copinula River]], [[Corbek]], [[Cormor]], [[Cositte]], [[Couzon river]], [[Creußen (river)]], [[Croche River (La Tuque)]], [[Crumbach]], [[Culebra Creek]], [[Cultus River]], [[Cunnersdorfer Wasser]], [[Curauer Au]], [[Dabikinė]], [[Dadau]], [[Dagia]], [[Dagua River]], [[Dahle (river)]], [[Dalbek]], [[Dalke]], [[Dammbach (Bühler)]], [[Dammbach (Elsava)]], [[Dammpader]], [[Damodar River]], [[Dangaučius]], [[Daniels Run]], [[Darmbach]], [[Darmühlenbach]], [[Dase (Erpe)]], [[Datze]], [[Dautphe]], [[Dead River (Lake County, Florida)]], [[Dead River (Oregon)]], [[Deepenhorngraben]], [[Deilbach]], [[Delvenau]], [[Demnitz]], [[Dentelbach (Murr)]], [[Derenbach (Bröl)]], [[Dettmers Bach]], [[Detzelbach]], [[Deube]], [[Deutergraben]], [[Dhansiri River]], [[Dhünn]], [[Dichbach]], [[Dickopsbach]], [[Dielenpader]], [[Diestelbach]], [[Diete]], [[Dietzhölze]], [[Dieße]], [[Dießenbach]], [[Difficult Run]], [[Dillon River]], [[Dilsbach]], [[Dischmabach]], [[Dittenbach]], [[Ditz (Fils)]], [[Dober (Kremnitz)]], [[Dobrach]], [[Dogue Creek]], [[Dollbek]], [[Dollesbach]], [[Dombach (Emsbach)]], [[Donaldson Run]], [[Donaubach]], [[Dondert]], [[Dorche]], [[Dorfen (river)]], [[Dorlay]], [[Dornbach (Eschbach)]], [[Dorndorfer Bach]], [[Dornmühlenbach]], [[Dortenbach]], [[Dosenbek]], [[Dotnuvėlė]], [[Dove Elbe]], [[Dovinė]], [[Dradenau]], [[Dramme]], [[Dreierwalder Aa]], [[Dreisbach (Bröl)]], [[Dreisbach (Sieg)]], [[Drepte]], [[Drosedower Bek]], [[Drusel]], [[Dry Cottonwood Creek (Deer Lodge County, Montana)]], [[Duffesbach]], [[Duilong River]], [[Durbeke]], [[Dusebach]], [[Döbra (Selbitz)]]
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| mouth_elevation_ft || [[Abrahams Creek]], [[Ahmik River]], [[Alexander Creek (Susitna River)]], [[Ana River]], [[Anderson River (Indiana)]], [[Anhangabaú River]], [[Anna River (Michigan)]], [[Apishapa River]], [[Arnold Creek (Huntington Creek)]], [[Ashelman Run]], [[Aspen Brook (Colorado)]], [[Au Sable River (Michigan)]], [[Aylesworth Creek]], [[Back Brook]], [[Baker Run]], [[Baldwin River (Michigan)]], [[Baldwins Creek]], [[Balliet Run]], [[Barnes Run]], [[Bashi Creek]], [[Bassett Creek (Tombigbee River)]], [[Bayou Gulch]], [[Bean Run]], [[Bear Brook (Roaring Brook)]], [[Bear Creek (Colorado)]], [[Bear Hollow Creek]], [[Beartrap Hollow]], [[Bearwallow Run]], [[Beaver Creek (Buttermilk Creek)]], [[Beaver Creek (Colorado)]], [[Beaver Run (Bowman Creek)]], [[Beaver Run (Buffalo Creek)]], [[Beaver Run (Catawissa Creek)]], [[Beaver Run (Chillisquaque Creek)]], [[Beaver Run (County Line Branch)]], [[Beaverdam Brook (New Jersey)]], [[Becks Creek]], [[Beden Brook]], [[Bee Sellers Hollow]], [[Bell Creek (Pine Creek)]], [[Bell River (Michigan)]], [[Belle River (Michigan)]], [[Bennys Run]], [[Benson Hollow]], [[Beth Run]], [[Big Dry Creek (Littleton, Colorado)]], [[Big Dry Creek (Westminster, Colorado)]], [[Big Muddy River]], [[Big Run (East Branch Fishing Creek)]], [[Big Run (West Branch Fishing Creek)]], [[Big Sandy Creek (Colorado)]], [[Big Sandy Creek (Illinois)]], [[Big Wapwallopen Creek]], [[Bijou Creek]], [[Billings Mill Brook]], [[Black Ash Creek]], [[Black Creek (Arizona)]], [[Black Creek (Susquehanna River)]], [[Black Mallard River]], [[Black River (Alcona County)]], [[Black River (Arkansas)]], [[Black River (Gogebic County)]], [[Black River (Indiana)]], [[Black River (Mackinac County)]], [[Black River (Marquette County)]], [[Black River (Mississippi River)]], [[Black River (Southwest Michigan)]], [[Black River (St. Clair County)]], [[Black Run (Spruce Run)]], [[Black Run (West Branch Susquehanna River)]], [[Blackberry Run]], [[Blackwater River (Missouri)]], [[Blizzards Run]], [[Bloody Run (West Branch Fishing Creek)]], [[Boardman River]], [[Boile Run]], [[Bois de Sioux River]], [[Boneyard Creek]], [[Bonpas Creek]], [[Boston Run]], [[Bouie River]], [[Boulder Creek (Colorado)]], [[Bow Creek (Big Wapwallopen Creek)]], [[Bowman Creek]], [[Box Elder Creek (Colorado)]], [[Brace Brook]], [[Branch Back Brook]], [[Brandywine Creek (Broken Sword Creek)]], [[Brandywine Creek (Cuyahoga River)]], [[Brandywine Creek (Quittapahilla Creek)]], [[Brish Run]], [[Broad Hollow Run]], [[Broken Sword Creek]], [[Brown Creek]], [[Browns Creek (Huntsville Creek)]], [[Bubbly Creek]], [[Buck Run (West Branch Brandywine Creek)]], [[Buffalo Fork (Wyoming)]], [[Buffalo River (Tennessee)]], [[Butterfield Creek]], [[Buttermilk Creek (Susquehanna River)]], [[Butternut Run]], [[Cabin Run]], [[Callender Gap Creek]], [[Calumet River]], [[Canadian River (Platte River)]], [[Cannonball River]], [[Carbon Run]], [[Carp River (Gogebic-Ontonagon counties)]], [[Carp River (Mackinac County)]], [[Carp River (Marquette County)]], [[Carters Brook (New Jersey)]], [[Cascade Creek (Grand Teton National Park)]], [[Cat Tail Brook]], [[Cataract River (Michigan)]], [[Cedar Brook]], [[Cedar Creek (North Dakota)]], [[Cedar River (Antrim County, Michigan)]], [[Cedar River (Gladwin County, Michigan)]], [[Cedar River (Menominee County, Michigan)]], [[Chalk Creek]], [[Chamita River]], [[Cheboygan River]], [[Cherry Creek (Colorado)]], [[Cherry Run (South Branch Bowman Creek)]], [[Chickasawhay River]], [[Chico Creek]], [[Chillisquaque Creek]], [[Chimneystack Run]], [[Chippewa River (Michigan)]], [[Chute River]], [[Cider Run (Bowman Creek)]], [[Cider Run (Sutton Creek)]], [[Cimarron River (Canadian River)]], [[Cimarron River (Gunnison River)]], [[Clarks Creek (Lackawanna River)]], [[Clear Creek (Colorado)]], [[Clover Hill Creek]], [[Coal Brook]], [[Coal Creek (Susquehanna River)]], [[Coal Run (North Branch Buffalo Creek)]], [[Coal Run (Shamokin Creek)]], [[Collins Creek]], [[Conety Run]], [[Coon Creek (Kishwaukee River)]], [[Copper River (Alaska)]], [[Corn Run]], [[County Line Branch]], [[Covey Swamp Creek]], [[Cow Yard Brook (New Jersey)]], [[Cowbell Hollow]], [[Cox Run]], [[Crab Brook]], [[Crab Run (Mahanoy Creek)]], [[Cranberry Creek]], [[Cranberry Run]], [[Cranbury Brook]], [[Creasy Creek]], [[Crooked Creek (Kitchen Creek)]], [[Crooked Run (Catawissa Creek)]], [[Cross Brook (New Jersey)]], [[Cross Run]], [[Crow Creek (South Platte River)]], [[Cruser Brook]], [[Crystal River (Colorado)]], [[Cucharas River]], [[Culley Run]], [[Culver Creek (Pennsylvania)]], [[Darby Creek (Pennsylvania)]], [[Dark Run]], [[Davis Hollow]], [[Davis Run]], [[Deep Hollow (West Branch Fishing Creek)]], [[Deshka River]], [[Devil Hole Run]], [[Devils Brook]], [[Drakes Creek]], [[Dry Creek (Martins Creek)]], [[Dry Run (Susquehecka Creek)]], [[Dry Run (West Branch Susquehanna River)]], [[DuPage River]], [[Duck Pond Run]], [[Dymond Creek]], [[Eagle River (Colorado)]], [[East Branch Briar Creek]], [[East Branch Chillisquaque Creek]], [[East Branch Field Brook]], [[East Branch Lackawanna River]], [[East Branch Martins Creek]], [[East Branch Raven Creek]], [[East Branch Roaring Brook]], [[East Branch South Branch Kishwaukee River]], [[East Fork Arkansas River]], [[East Fork Cimarron River]], [[East Fork Eagle River]], [[East Fork Harveys Creek]], [[East Fork Little Cimarron River]], [[East Fork Rio Chama]], [[East Fork San Juan River]], [[East Fork South Fork Crystal River]], [[East Mancos River]], [[East River (Colorado)]], [[Eddy Creek (Lackawanna River)]], [[Edwards River (Illinois)]], [[Elk River (Colorado)]], [[Elk River (Oklahoma)]], [[Elk Run (West Branch Fishing Creek)]], [[Elkhart River]], [[Elkhorn River]], [[Elm River (Illinois)]], [[Embarras River (Illinois)]], [[Emerson Run]], [[Encampment River]], [[Escatawpa River]], [[Espy Run]], [[Fall Brook (Lackawanna River)]], [[Fall River (Clear Creek County, Colorado)]], [[Fall River (Larimer County, Colorado)]], [[Fallow Hollow]], [[Falls Creek (Buttermilk Creek)]], [[Falls Run]], [[Fawn River (Michigan)]], [[Fiddle Lake Creek]], [[Field Brook]], [[First Fork South Fork Piney River]], [[Fish Creek (Larimer County, Colorado)]], [[Fisher Run]], [[Fitch Creek]], [[Floodwood River (Michigan)]], [[Florida River]], [[Forest River (North Dakota)]], [[Fountain Creek (Arkansas River)]], [[Fourmile Canyon Creek]], [[Fox River (Illinois River tributary)]], [[Fox River (Little Wabash tributary)]], [[Fraser River (Colorado)]], [[Frenchman Creek]], [[Frozen Run]], [[Fryingpan River]], [[Furnace Run (Catawissa Creek)]], [[Furnace Run (Shamokin Creek)]], [[Galena River (Illinois)]], [[Gallows Run]], [[Gardner Creek (Mill Creek)]], [[Gardner Creek (Susquehanna River)]], [[Gaskins Run]], [[Geneva Creek (Colorado)]], [[Glade Run]], [[Glen Brook]], [[Goose River (North Dakota)]], [[Gore Creek (Colorado)]], [[Grassy Island Creek]], [[Gravel Run (Black Creek)]], [[Gravel Run (Susquehanna River)]], [[Green Brook]], [[Green Creek (Ohio)]], [[Green River (Illinois)]], [[Green River (Tennessee)]], [[Green Run (Spring Brook)]], [[Halfway Run]], [[Hallowing Run]], [[Hammersley Fork]], [[Harrys Brook]], [[Harveys Creek]], [[Heart River (Wyoming)]], [[Heathcote Brook]], [[Heathcote Brook Branch]], [[Heberly Run]], [[Hemlock Run]], [[Henderson Creek (Illinois)]], [[Hess Hollow]], [[Hettesheimer Run]], [[Hicks Creek (Susquehanna River)]], [[Hidden River (Colorado)]], [[Hog Run]], [[Homosassa River]], [[Honey Branch]], [[Hop Bottom Creek]], [[Horse Creek (Colorado)]], [[Horse Creek (Tombigbee River)]], [[Horton Creek (Oxbow Creek)]], [[Horton Creek (Tunkhannock Creek)]], [[Hot Creek (Mono County, California)]], [[Huerfano River]], [[Hull Creek (Lackawanna River)]], [[Hunkydory Creek]], [[Hunlock Creek]], [[Hunts Run]], [[Huntsville Creek]], [[Illinois River (Colorado)]], [[Indian Cave Creek]], [[Indian Creek (Fox River)]], [[Indian Creek (Mauses Creek)]], [[Indian River (Florida)]], [[Indian River (Mullett Lake)]], [[Ireland Brook (New Jersey)]], [[Ithan Creek]], [[Jackson Creek (Susquehanna River)]], [[Johnson Creek (Lithia Springs Creek)]], [[Juan de Bolas River]], [[Karnes Hollow]], [[Kase Run]], [[Keeler Creek]], [[Kellum Creek]], [[Kennedy Creek]], [[Kern Glen Creek]], [[Kern Run]], [[Kester Creek]], [[Keyser Creek]], [[Killbuck Creek (Kishwaukee River)]], [[Kingsbury Brook]], [[Kiowa Creek (Colorado)]], [[Kipps Run]], [[Kline Hollow Run]], [[Klingermans Run]], [[Kyte River]], [[La Moine River]], [[La Plata River (San Juan River)]], [[Lackawanna River]], [[Lake Fork Gunnison River]], [[Lake Run]], [[Lampblack Creek]], [[Langan Creek]], [[Laurel River]], [[Laurel Run (Huntington Creek)]], [[Laurel Run (Lackawanna River)]], [[Laurel Run (Mill Creek)]], [[Laurel Run (West Branch Fishing Creek)]], [[Lawrence Brook]], [[Leach Creek]], [[Lead Run]], [[Leaf River (Illinois)]], [[Lees Creek (Lackawanna River)]], [[Left Hand Creek (Colorado)]], [[Leggetts Creek]], [[Leonard Creek]], [[Lewis Brook (New Jersey)]], [[Lewis Creek (Susquehanna River)]], [[Lewis Run (Roaring Brook)]], [[Lick Branch]], [[Lick Creek (Sangamon River)]], [[Lick Creek (Shamokin Creek)]], [[Lick Run (Little Fishing Creek)]], [[Lick Run (Peters Creek)]], [[Lick Run (Roaring Creek)]], [[Lick Run (White Deer Creek)]], [[Lidy Creek]], [[Limestone Run (Montour and Northumberland Counties, Pennsylvania)]], [[Lindy Creek]], [[Lithia Springs Creek]], [[Little Bear Brook]], [[Little Black Creek]], [[Little Black River (Cheboygan County)]], [[Little Brier Run]], [[Little Buffalo Creek]], [[Little Buffalo River (Tennessee)]], [[Little Carp River (Baraga County)]], [[Little Carp River (Cheboygan County)]], [[Little Carp River (Gogebic-Ontonagon counties)]], [[Little Catawissa Creek]], [[Little Cedar River (Iowa and Minnesota)]], [[Little Cedar River (Menominee River)]], [[Little Cedar River (Tobacco River)]], [[Little Cimarron River]], [[Little Crooked Run]], [[Little Darby Creek (Ohio)]], [[Little Darby Creek (Pennsylvania)]], [[Little Dolores River]], [[Little Dry Creek (Arapahoe County, Colorado)]], [[Little Duck River]], [[Little Fishing Creek]], [[Little Green Creek]], [[Little Mackinaw River]], [[Little Marys River (Illinois)]], [[Little Menominee River]], [[Little Miami River]], [[Little Misery River]], [[Little Nescopeck Creek]], [[Little Nescopeck Creek A]], [[Little Pigeon River (Cheboygan County)]], [[Little Pigeon River (Mullett Lake)]], [[Little Pine Creek (Luzerne and Columbia Counties, Pennsylvania)]], [[Little Red River (Texas)]], [[Little Roaring Brook]], [[Little Roaring Creek]], [[Little Sequatchie River]], [[Little Shickshinny Creek]], [[Little Snake River]], [[Little Susitna River]], [[Little Thompson River]], [[Little Thornapple River (Coldwater River)]], [[Little Thornapple River (Eaton County)]], [[Little Tomhicken Creek]], [[Little Vermilion River (Illinois River)]], [[Little Wabash River]], [[Little Wapwallopen Creek]], [[Lochloosa Creek]], [[Locust Creek (Shamokin Creek)]], [[Lodgepole Creek]], [[Logan Run]], [[Lone Tree Creek (Colorado)]], [[Long Hollow (Catawissa Creek)]], [[Long Run (Cranberry Creek)]], [[Long Run (Elk Run)]], [[Long Run (Nescopeck Creek)]], [[Los Pinos River]], [[Lost Creek (Shenandoah Creek)]], [[Lucky Run]], [[Lummi River]], [[Luphers Run]], [[Lytle Creek (California)]], [[Mackinaw River]], [[Macoupin Creek]], [[Mancos River]], [[Manistee River]], [[Maple Run]], [[Maple Spring Brook]], [[Marsh Creek (Bowman Creek)]], [[Marsh Creek (Rogers Creek)]], [[Marsh Run]], [[Martin Creek (Susquehanna River)]], [[Marys River (Illinois)]], [[Mauses Creek]], [[Mazon River]], [[McElmo Creek]], [[McKee Run]], [[Meadow Brook (Lackawanna River)]], [[Meeker Run]], [[Menominee River (Illinois)]], [[Meredith Brook]], [[Meredith Creek]], [[Messers Run]], [[Metolius River]], [[Michigan River]], [[Middle Branch Chillisquaque Creek]], [[Middle Branch Newport Creek]], [[Middle Creek (Schwaben Creek)]], [[Middle Fork Cimarron River]], [[Middle Fork Elk River]], [[Middle Fork Little Snake River]], [[Middle Fork South Platte River]], [[Middle Fork Vermilion River]], [[Middlebush Brook (New Jersey)]], [[Mile Run (New Jersey)]], [[Mile Run (White Deer Creek)]], [[Mill Creek (Lackawanna River)]], [[Mill Creek (Reilly Creek)]], [[Mill Creek (Roaring Creek)]], [[Mill Creek (Whitelock Creek)]], [[Mill Run (Susquehanna River)]], [[Miller Run]], [[Millers Run]], [[Millstone River]], [[Mine Gap Run]], [[Misery River]], [[Mitchler Run]], [[Mokeler Creek]], [[Moneypenny Creek]], [[Monroe Creek (Tunkhannock Creek)]], [[Monument Creek (Spring Brook)]], [[Mountain Lake Run]], [[Mouse Creek (Schwaben Creek)]], [[Mud Creek (Chillisquaque Creek)]], [[Mud Run (Green Creek)]], [[Muddy Creek (Colorado)]], [[Muddy Run (Spruce Run)]], [[Nanticoke Creek]], [[Nasketucket River]], [[Navajo River]], [[Negro Hollow]], [[Newport Creek]], [[Newton Run]], [[Nine Mile Run (New Jersey)]], [[Nonconnah Creek]], [[North Branch Bowman Creek]], [[North Branch Buffalo Creek]], [[North Branch Kishwaukee River]], [[North Branch Mahantango Creek]], [[North Branch Shamokin Creek]], [[North Fork Animas River]], [[North Fork Arikaree River]], [[North Fork Big Thompson River]], [[North Fork Cache la Poudre River]], [[North Fork Cimarron River]], [[North Fork Crystal River]], [[North Fork Elk River]], [[North Fork Embarras River]], [[North Fork Fryingpan River]], [[North Fork Little Snake River]], [[North Fork Little Thompson River]], [[North Fork Piney River]], [[North Fork Red River]], [[North Fork Snake River]], [[North Fork South Platte River]], [[North Fork Swan River]], [[North Fork Tangascootack Creek]], [[North Fork Vermejo River]], [[North Fork West Mancos River]], [[North Fork White River]], [[North Mahanoy Creek]], [[Noxubee River]]
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| mouth_elevation_m || [[Abe River]], [[Abloux]], [[Agano River]], [[Ailette (river)]], [[Airain]], [[Akanyaru River]], [[Alb (Southern Black Forest)]], [[Albarine]], [[Allaine (river)]], [[Alp (river)]], [[Alène]], [[Anadyr River]], [[Anarjohka]], [[Anglin]], [[Antholzer Bach]], [[Arconce]], [[Argen]], [[Arve]], [[Asiak River]], [[Asse (river)]], [[Aubetin]], [[Aude (river)]], [[Aujon]], [[Auroue]], [[Aux Rochers River]], [[Auzoue]], [[Avers Rhine]], [[Avon River (Canterbury)]], [[Babai River]], [[Banfe (Lahn)]], [[Barguelonne]], [[Barguelonnette]], [[Barse]], [[Batnfjordelva]], [[Bekelbach]], [[Benaize]], [[Bergantes (river)]], [[Biała (Supraśl)]], [[Biber (Rhine)]], [[Bist (river)]], [[Black Lauter]], [[Blaise (Marne)]], [[Blanice (Sázava)]], [[Bléone]], [[Boas River]], [[Bouble]], [[Bourbince]], [[Bourbre]], [[Boutonne]], [[Bouzanne]], [[Brame]], [[Bregenzer Ach]], [[Briance]], [[Brotenaubach]], [[Bến Hải River]], [[Calavon]], [[Cavalla River]], [[Cena (river)]], [[Chalaronne]], [[Chapeauroux]], [[Charpentier River]], [[Chassezac]], [[Chavanon]], [[Chikugo River]], [[Chixoy River]], [[Chusovaya River]], [[Chère]], [[Chée]], [[Chéran]], [[Clouère]], [[Coal River (New Zealand)]], [[Coaticook River]], [[Cobb River (New Zealand)]], [[Coello River]], [[Colagne]], [[Collins River (New Zealand)]], [[Contaco River]], [[Conway River (New Zealand)]], [[Cook River]], [[Copland River]], [[Cosson]], [[Cox River (New Zealand)]], [[Croche River (La Tuque)]], [[Crooked River (New Zealand)]], [[Cropp River]], [[Crow River (Canterbury)]], [[Crow River (West Coast)]], [[Céor]], [[Céou]], [[Cérou]], [[Côle]], [[Côney]], [[D'Urville River]], [[Dadou]], [[Dane River]], [[Dark River (New Zealand)]], [[Dart River (Otago)]], [[Daugava (river)]], [[Deception River]], [[Deepdale River]], [[Demićka]], [[Dickson River, New Zealand]], [[Dill (river)]], [[Dillon River]], [[Dirillo]], [[Dischmabach]], [[Diège]], [[Djedi River]], [[Dobson River (New Zealand)]], [[Donne River]], [[Doon River]], [[Doubtful River (New Zealand)]], [[Doubtless River]], [[Dourdou de Camarès]], [[Dravinja]], [[Drôme (Aure)]], [[Ebi River]], [[Eckbach]], [[Eder]], [[Eira River]], [[Eisbach (Rhine)]], [[Elle (river)]], [[Ennepe]], [[Enz]], [[Erlenbach (Speyerbach)]], [[Exploits River]], [[Eyach (Enz)]], [[Falbecke]], [[False River (Quebec)]], [[Fier (river)]], [[Flåmselvi]], [[Fraser River (Newfoundland and Labrador)]], [[Fuji River]], [[Galaure]], [[Gaula (Sogn og Fjordane)]], [[Gaula (Sør-Trøndelag)]], [[Gehlsbach (river)]], [[Gelt River (New Zealand)]], [[Gender (stream)]], [[German Thaya]], [[Gesse]], [[Gier (river)]], [[Gijou]], [[Glisborn]], [[Glogn]], [[Glâne (river)]], [[Grand River Bostonnais (Portneuf)]], [[Grande Sauldre]], [[Grosne (river)]], [[Gsieser Bach]], [[Guadarrama (river)]], [[Guil]], [[Gut River]], [[Hanami River]], [[Hinterrhein (river)]], [[Hochspeyerbach]], [[Homosassa River]], [[Hope River (Tasman)]], [[Hori River (Nagoya)]], [[Hutt River (New Zealand)]], [[Ibie]], [[Ichinomiya River]], [[Ilfis (river)]], [[Ill (Vorarlberg)]], [[Indian River (Florida)]], [[Indiga River]], [[Indrois]], [[Inn (river)]], [[Irati (river)]], [[Isumi River]], [[Itz]], [[Iwaki River]], [[Johor River]], [[Jostedøla]], [[Juine]], [[Jølstra]], [[Kaikorai Stream]], [[Kamnik Bistrica]], [[Kano River]], [[Kapuas River (Barito River)]], [[Karlinbach]], [[Kelani River]], [[Kelantan River]], [[Kitakami River]], [[Klejnárka]], [[Koito River]], [[Krähenbach]], [[Kuban River]], [[Kumano River]], [[Kuriyama River]], [[Kurobe River (Chiba Prefecture)]], [[Kuta River]], [[Kuzuryū River]], [[Lahn]], [[Landwasser (river)]], [[Langvassåga]], [[Lauter (Neckar)]], [[Lay (river)]], [[Layon]], [[Lhasa River]], [[Lick Run (West Branch Susquehanna River)]], [[Light River (South Australia)]], [[Lignon (Ardèche)]], [[Lignon du Forez]], [[Lignon du Velay]], [[Lindach]], [[Little Duck River]], [[Little Mékinac North River]], [[Little Sequatchie River]], [[Little Smoky River]], [[Lizonne]], [[Llesquehue River]], [[Llico River]], [[Lofa River]], [[Loing]], [[Louge]], [[Lufuko River]], [[Lunain]], [[Luzège]], [[Lèze]], [[Madon]], [[Mahoning River]], [[Malše]], [[Mandalselva]], [[Marokopa River]], [[Maronne]], [[Merbok River]], [[Messingåga]], [[Meu]], [[Mississippi River (Ontario)]], [[Moder (river)]], [[Moravian Thaya]], [[Mortagne (river)]], [[Muda River]], [[Muota (river)]], [[Mur (river)]], [[Mußbach]], [[Münsterer Alte]], [[Nahualate River]], [[Naka River (Tochigi Ibaraki)]], [[Napaaktoktok River]], [[Ngondoma River]], [[Nimpkish River]], [[Nonconnah Creek]], [[North Fork River (Missouri–Arkansas)]], [[Obitsu River]], [[Oirase River]], [[Omono River]], [[Ondaine]], [[Orbieu]], [[Orkla (river)]], [[Osam]], [[Osse (river)]], [[Othain]], [[Oudon (river)]], [[Oued Guir]], [[Oued Saoura]], [[Oued Zouzfana]], [[Ource]], [[Ozanne]], [[Petite Baïse]], [[Petite Creuse]], [[Petite Sauldre]], [[Pfrimm]], [[Pilgerbach (Eder)]], [[Plima]], [[Plura (river)]], [[Pyana River]], [[Quartz Creek (Gunnison County, Colorado)]], [[Radolfzeller Aach]], [[Rauma (river)]], [[Rein da Maighels]], [[Rein da Medel]], [[Reting Tsangpo]], [[Rhue (river)]], [[Rhünda (river)]], [[River Nevis]], [[Rivière du Loup (Bas-Saint-Laurent)]], [[Roaring River (Manitoba)]], [[Rohni River]], [[Rottum (river)]], [[Ruamahanga River]], [[Run (stream)]], [[Rupt de Mad]], [[Rère]], [[Río Negro (Los Lagos)]], [[Rēzekne (river)]], [[Saane/Sarine]], [[Sagami River]], [[Saint Denys River]], [[Salamá River]], [[Salleron]], [[Sapucaí-Mirim River]], [[Schwarzbach (Blies)]], [[Schwinge (Elbe)]], [[Schönau (river)]], [[Sebeya River]], [[Semme]], [[Semnon]], [[Sendai River]], [[Senouire]], [[Seugne]], [[Sevenmile Creek (Tennessee)]], [[Sevron]], [[Shatt al-Arab]], [[Shin River (Chiba Prefecture, Japan)]], [[Shkotovka River]], [[Shubenacadie River]], [[Sioule]], [[Sissle]], [[Smagne]], [[Solnan]], [[Someș River]], [[Sorgues (river)]], [[Sormonne (river)]], [[Souleuvre]], [[Speyerbach]], [[Spiegelbach]], [[Suippe]], [[Suldenbach]], [[Sura River]], [[Svelgen (river)]], [[Sâne Morte]], [[Sâne Vive]], [[Séoune]], [[Tardes (river)]], [[Tawachiche River]], [[Tawachiche West River]], [[Tenryū River]], [[Thoré]], [[Théols]], [[Tone River]], [[Touch (river)]], [[Tovdalselva]], [[Triouzoune]], [[Trojanka (river)]], [[Tsuru River]], [[Tverråga]], [[Tárcoles River]], [[Ubaté River]], [[User:LADave/Sandbox]], [[User:Pfly/tests]], [[Vachon River]], [[Vaige]], [[Vallière (river)]], [[Valser Rhine]], [[Vauvise]], [[Verman River]], [[Versoix (river)]], [[Verzée]], [[Volane]], [[Volme]], [[Vorderrhein (river)]], [[Voueize]], [[Vydra (river)]], [[Vègre]], [[Vère]], [[Waipa River]], [[Watarase River]], [[Water of Leith (New Zealand)]], [[West Rapti River]], [[Whanganui River]], [[White Oak Creek (Tennessee)]], [[Wild Weißeritz]], [[Wutach (river)]], [[Yalgar River]], [[Yon]], [[Yuryuzan River]], [[Yōrō River]], [[Åbjøra]], [[Èvre]], [[Ével]], [[Česma]], [[Ōi River]]
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| native_name_lang || [[Afon Eden]], [[Aherlow River]], [[Ain (river)]], [[Allaine (river)]], [[Allier (river)]], [[Anhangabaú River]], [[Aricanduva River]], [[Arve]], [[Assemetquagan River]], [[Avers Rhine]], [[Bolshaya Nevka River]], [[Bregalnica]], [[Broye]], [[Cher (river)]], [[Cherry River (Quebec)]], [[Dead River (Michigan)]], [[Doubs (river)]], [[Eder]], [[Enfield Blackwater]], [[Erdre]], [[Figile River]], [[Finnery River]], [[Ganges]], [[Glogn]], [[Guarapiranga River]], [[Hinterrhein (river)]], [[Huisne]], [[Igan River]], [[Indiga River]], [[Indre (river)]], [[Ipiranga Brook]], [[Landwasser (river)]], [[Loir]], [[Lyreen River]], [[Maine (river)]], [[Mayenne (river)]], [[Medjerda River]], [[Min River (Fujian)]], [[Molochna River]], [[Mỹ Tho River]], [[Nièvre (Loire)]], [[Njaba River]], [[Oudon (river)]], [[Painestown River]], [[Pinheiros River]], [[Pyakupur River]], [[Qin River]], [[Rifriscolaro]], [[River Ara]], [[River Corrib]], [[River Greese]], [[River des Chutes]], [[SRSP Flood Flow Canal]], [[San Juan River (Nicaragua)]], [[Sarayan river]], [[Sarthe (river)]], [[Seine]], [[Slate River (Ireland)]], [[Sèvre Nantaise]], [[Sèvre Niortaise]], [[Tamanduateí River]], [[Tartigou River]], [[Thao River]], [[Tonlé San]], [[Tully Stream]], [[Turunchuk River]], [[User:Gaët/sandbox]], [[User:Rehman/sandbox]], [[Valser Rhine]], [[Vienne (river)]], [[White River (Quebec)]], [[Yellow Dog River]], [[Yellow River (Ireland)]], [[Èvre]]
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| origin_coordinates || [[Ahmik River]], [[Alento (Campania)]], [[Anderson River (Indiana)]], [[Baptism River]], [[Becks Creek]], [[Big Muddy River]], [[Big Sandy Creek (Illinois)]], [[Black River (Arkansas)]], [[Black River (Indiana)]], [[Blackwater River (Missouri)]], [[Bois de Sioux River]], [[Boneyard Creek]], [[Bonpas Creek]], [[Bouie River]], [[Brotenaubach]], [[Bubbly Creek]], [[Butterfield Creek]], [[Calumet River]], [[Cannonball River]], [[Casey Creek (Illinois)]], [[Cedar Creek (North Dakota)]], [[Chickasawhay River]], [[Concord River]], [[Coon Creek (Kishwaukee River)]], [[Darby Creek (Pennsylvania)]], [[DuPage River]], [[East Branch South Branch Kishwaukee River]], [[Eau Claire River (Wisconsin River)]], [[Econlockhatchee River]], [[Edwards River (Illinois)]], [[Elk River (Oklahoma)]], [[Elkhart River]], [[Elm River (Illinois)]], [[Embarras River (Illinois)]], [[Enz]], [[Escatawpa River]], [[Eyach (Enz)]], [[Fawn River (Michigan)]], [[Forest River (North Dakota)]], [[Fox River (Little Wabash tributary)]], [[Galena River (Illinois)]], [[Glogn]], [[Goose River (North Dakota)]], [[Green Creek (Ohio)]], [[Green River (Illinois)]], [[Gypsey Race]], [[Henderson Creek (Illinois)]], [[Indian Creek (Fox River)]], [[Iroquois River]], [[Kaskaskia River]], [[Killbuck Creek (Kishwaukee River)]], [[Kishwaukee River]], [[Kuta River]], [[Kyte River]], [[La Moine River]], [[Leaf River (Illinois)]], [[Lick Creek (Sangamon River)]], [[Liepona]], [[Little Bighorn River]], [[Little Darby Creek (Ohio)]], [[Little Mackinaw River]], [[Little Marys River (Illinois)]], [[Little Menominee River]], [[Little Muddy River (Illinois)]], [[Little Red River (Texas)]], [[Little Vermilion River (Illinois River)]], [[Little Wabash River]], [[Lochloosa Creek]], [[Lummi River]], [[Lusk Creek]], [[Mackinaw River]], [[Macoupin Creek]], [[Manitowish River]], [[Marys River (Illinois)]], [[Maumee River]], [[Mazon River]], [[Menominee River (Illinois)]], [[Middle Fork Vermilion River]], [[Mokeler Creek]], [[Mond River]], [[Murder Creek]], [[Nasketucket River]], [[Neches River]], [[Nogat]], [[North Branch Kishwaukee River]], [[North Fork Embarras River]], [[North Fork Red River]], [[Noxubee River]], [[Oba River]], [[Osse (river)]], [[Osun river]], [[Owens Creek (Kishwaukee River)]], [[Panther Creek (Mackinaw River)]], [[Pease River]], [[Pecatonica River]], [[Pelican River (Wisconsin River)]], [[Pine Creek (Rock River)]], [[Piscasaw Creek]], [[Plum River]], [[Pogue's Run]], [[Prairie Dog Town Fork Red River]], [[Quaboag River]], [[Radolfzeller Aach]], [[Red River (Illinois)]], [[Rehbach (Palatinate)]], [[Rein da Tuma]], [[River Dove, Barnsley]], [[Rock Creek (Kankakee River)]], [[Rock River (Mississippi River)]], [[Rush Creek (Kishwaukee River)]], [[Sableuse River]], [[Saline Branch]], [[Salt Creek (Des Plaines River tributary)]], [[Salt Creek (Little Wabash River tributary)]], [[Salt Creek (Sangamon River tributary)]], [[Salt Fork Brazos River]], [[Salt Fork Vermilion River]], [[Scioto River]], [[Selbitz (river)]], [[Seven Mile River (East Brookfield River)]], [[Shoal Creek (Illinois)]], [[Sinsinawa River]], [[Skillet Fork]], [[Skokie River]], [[Solomon Creek]], [[South Branch Kishwaukee River]], [[Spiegelbach]], [[Spring Creek (Sangamon County, Illinois)]], [[Spring River (Arkansas)]], [[Squirrel River (Wisconsin)]], [[St. Joseph River (Maumee River)]], [[St. Marys River (Indiana and Ohio)]], [[Stop River]], [[Sugar Creek (Sangamon River tributary)]], [[Sugar River (Wisconsin)]], [[Swift Creek (Washington)]], [[Tartigou River]], [[Taylor Bayou]], [[Thorn Creek]], [[Tierra Blanca Creek]], [[Trappe River]], [[Turtle River (Wisconsin)]], [[User:Gaët/sandbox]], [[Varduva]], [[Vermilion River (Illinois River)]], [[Vermilion River (Wabash River)]], [[Washita River]], [[Waukegan River]], [[West Okaw River]], [[Whatcom Creek]], [[Wietze (Örtze)]], [[Willow River (Tomahawk River)]], [[Wood River (Illinois)]], [[Yellow Creek (Illinois)]]
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| river_system || [[Ablach (Danube)]], [[Acadia River]], [[Ach (Ammer)]], [[Acheron River (Marlborough)]], [[Agi River]], [[Ai River (Gifu)]], [[Ak-Suu River (Syr Darya)]], [[Alabuga River]], [[Alb (Southern Black Forest)]], [[Alb (Upper Rhine)]], [[Alma River (New Zealand)]], [[Alzette]], [[Anoia (river)]], [[Anseba River]], [[Anón River]], [[Arashan River]], [[Arata River]], [[Argen]], [[Arivaca Creek]], [[Arrow Creek (Fergus County, Montana)]], [[Arroyo Simi]], [[Attert (river)]], [[Auer (Odenwald)]], [[Avers Rhine]], [[Babai River]], [[Babocomari River]], [[Back Brook]], [[Bakoy River]], [[Baldwins Creek]], [[Baloué River]], [[Balsas River]], [[Banfe (Lahn)]], [[Barun River]], [[Bassett Creek (Tombigbee River)]], [[Bayagán River]], [[Bear Brook (Millstone River)]], [[Beberbach (Schunter)]], [[Belly River]], [[Belt Creek (Montana)]], [[Bergantes (river)]], [[Bhogavati river]], [[Bhote Koshi]], [[Biber (Rhine)]], [[Big Darby Creek]], [[Big Muddy Creek (Missouri River)]], [[Big Sandy Creek (Montana)]], [[Big Ugly Creek]], [[Birbir River]], [[Birch Creek (Pondera County, Montana)]], [[Black Lauter]], [[Black River (Mississippi River)]], [[Black River (South Carolina)]], [[Blacktail Deer Creek]], [[Boulder River (Sweet Grass County, Montana)]], [[Branch Back Brook]], [[Brunei River]], [[Bröl]], [[Bucaná River]], [[Buck Creek (Kent County, Michigan)]], [[Buckau]], [[Buffalo Creek (Allegheny River)]], [[Buffalo River (Tennessee)]], [[Bull Creek (Allegheny River)]], [[Cadotte River]], [[Cairn Water]], [[Carnahan Run]], [[Cat Tail Brook]], [[Cañas River (Ponce, Puerto Rico)]], [[Cedar Brook]], [[Cerrillos River]], [[Chartiers Run (Allegheny River)]], [[Chibit River]], [[Chikugo River]], [[Chilkoot River]], [[Chip Chap River]], [[Chippewa River (Michigan)]], [[Chiquito River (Ponce, Puerto Rico)]], [[Clarence River (New Zealand)]], [[Clarion River]], [[Coldbrook Creek (Michigan)]], [[Conemaugh River]], [[Conewango Creek]], [[Couzon river]], [[Cowanshannock Creek]], [[Croche River (La Tuque)]], [[Crooked Creek (Allegheny River)]], [[Cross Brook (New Jersey)]], [[Cut Bank Creek]], [[Công River]], [[Dalke]], [[Dearborn River]], [[Deer Creek (Allegheny River)]], [[Devils Brook]], [[Devils River (Wisconsin)]], [[Dhünn]], [[Dillon River]], [[Dischmabach]], [[Dnyanganga River]], [[Dorlay]], [[Dosenbek]], [[Dove Elbe]], [[Draft:Neshota River]], [[Dranse (Haute-Savoie)]], [[Dranse d'Abondance]], [[Driva]], [[Dry Cottonwood Creek (Deer Lodge County, Montana)]], [[Dry Wolf Creek (Judith Basin County, Montana)]], [[Duck Pond Run]], [[Dudh Kosi]], [[Duilong River]], [[Dupuyer Creek]], [[Dömnitz]], [[Dürrschweinnaab]], [[East Gallatin River]], [[East Rapti River]], [[Eckbach]], [[Econlockhatchee River]], [[Eder]], [[Eifgenbach]], [[Eisbach (Rhine)]], [[Eisch]], [[Elila River]], [[Elle (river)]], [[Elsava]], [[Ergolz]], [[Erinle River]], [[Erlau (river)]], [[Erle (river)]], [[Ernstbach]], [[Este (river)]], [[Eurotas (river)]], [[Exter (Weser)]], [[Fehla]], [[Fischach (Bühler)]], [[Flossach]], [[Flörsbach (Lohr)]], [[Fox River (Illinois River tributary)]], [[Galwan River]], [[Gaula (Sør-Trøndelag)]], [[Gazimur River]], [[Gehlsbach (river)]], [[Gibbon River]], [[Gier (river)]], [[Girtys Run]], [[Glass Creek]], [[Glatt (Neckar)]], [[Glems]], [[Glinze]], [[Glogn]], [[Gojō River]], [[Goroku River]], [[Gose Elbe]], [[Grand River Bostonnais (Portneuf)]], [[Grande Sauldre]], [[Great Ditch]], [[Green Brook]], [[Green River (Tennessee)]], [[Grenzaa]], [[Großer Graben and Schiffgraben]], [[Grundwasser (Landwasser)]], [[Guadalupe (Spain)]], [[Gulp (river)]], [[Göttelbach]], [[Ha Chhu]], [[Haaler Au]], [[Hachinger Bach]], [[Hammerfließ]], [[Harrys Brook]], [[Harshaw Creek]], [[Hatzenbeck]], [[Heart River (Alberta)]], [[Heathcote Brook]], [[Heathcote Brook Branch]], [[Herbert Run]], [[Herfabach]], [[Heusden Canal]], [[Hida River]], [[Hinterrhein (river)]], [[Hirschbach (Gersprenz)]], [[Hochspeyerbach]], [[Honcut Creek]], [[Honey Branch]], [[Hongu River]], [[Hori River (Nagoya)]], [[Hüttenbach (Altmühl)]], [[Ibi River]], [[Ijira River]], [[Ill (Vorarlberg)]], [[Imja Khola]], [[Inde]], [[Indiga River]], [[Indravati River, Nepal]], [[Inukami River]], [[Irati (river)]], [[Isenach]], [[Istra (Rauma)]], [[Itadori River]], [[Itoshiro River]], [[Jacaguas River]], [[Janon]], [[Jeetzbach]], [[Jinzū River]], [[Jocko River]], [[Johor River]], [[Jossa (Sinn)]], [[Judith River]], [[Jōganji River]], [[Kaltenbach (Dürnach)]], [[Kamo River]], [[Kamtsha River]], [[Kani River]], [[Katsura River]], [[Kawaura River]], [[Kehelgamu Oya]], [[Kiso River]], [[Kleebach]], [[Kleine Schweimke]], [[Kleiner Wildenbach]], [[Koko River, Rusizi District]], [[Koko River, Rutsiro District]], [[Kolik-Egan]], [[Koohrang]], [[Kostroma River]], [[Kraichbach]], [[Krebsbach (Schwarzbach)]], [[Krumm (river)]], [[Krähenbach]], [[Kuise River]], [[Kukuri River]], [[Kuri Chhu]], [[Kwilu River]], [[Kysuca]], [[Käbnitz]], [[Köhlbrand]], [[Künsebecker Bach]], [[Langvassåga]], [[Lardintown Run]], [[Lauter (Neckar)]], [[Lawrence Brook]], [[Leiblach]], [[Leimbach (Dhünn)]], [[Lerbach (Söse)]], [[Lewis Brook (New Jersey)]], [[Lhasa River]], [[Lhonak River]], [[Lindach]], [[Linnicher Mühlenteich]], [[Littfe]], [[Little Bear Brook]], [[Little Bighorn River]], [[Little Buffalo River (Tennessee)]], [[Little Bull Creek (Allegheny River)]], [[Little Pucketa Creek]], [[Little Red River (Texas)]], [[Little Shamokin Creek]], [[Little Thornapple River (Coldwater River)]], [[Little Thornapple River (Eaton County)]], [[Liuchong River]], [[Loange River]], [[Lochbach (Itter)]], [[Lohr (river)]], [[Lohrbach (Lohrhaupten)]], [[Lokoro River]], [[Longeau (river)]], [[Lower Little Swatara Creek]], [[Loyalhanna Creek]], [[Lubue River]], [[Luele River]], [[Lufuko River]], [[Lugenda River]], [[Lumi River (East Africa)]], [[Luvua River]], [[Mahoning Creek (Allegheny River)]], [[Makita River]], [[Malagarasi River]], [[Mali River]], [[Manas River]], [[Mangde Chhu]], [[Manoma River]], [[Manouane River (La Tuque)]], [[Marias River]], [[Maskeliya Oya]], [[Massawippi River]], [[Matawin River (Quebec)]], [[Mayo Kébbi]], [[Maze River (Japan)]], [[Mazā Jugla]], [[Mbirurume River]], [[McDowell Run (Bull Creek)]], [[Meander River (Tasmania)]], [[Medem]], [[Melfa]], [[Merzbach]], [[Mesa (river)]], [[Messingåga]], [[Millstone River]], [[Minnehaha Creek]], [[Mistaya River]], [[Modau]], [[Monne]], [[Moose River (Maine)]], [[Muglbach]], [[Murat River]], [[Musselshell River]], [[Mußbach]], [[Mwogo River]], [[Münsterer Alte]], [[N'Mai River]], [[Nagara River]], [[Nanu Oya]], [[Neo River]], [[Nesse (Werra)]], [[Nette (Rhine)]], [[Netze (Eder)]], [[Ngiri River]], [[Nicolet River]], [[Niederelbe]], [[Nikkō River]], [[Nimu Maqu River]], [[Nonnenbach (Bodensee)]], [[North Fork Red River]], [[Oakeys Brook (New Jersey)]], [[Oba River]], [[Oelse (Oder-Spree)]], [[Ogre (river)]], [[Omono River]], [[Ondaine]], [[Orkla (river)]], [[Otin River]], [[Oude Maasje]], [[Our (river)]], [[Owendoher River]], [[Ozanne]], [[Pack River]], [[Padma River]], [[Paro Chhu]], [[Pastillo River]], [[Pat's Creek (Alberta)]], [[Pease River]], [[Peters Brook (Stony Brook)]], [[Petite Sauldre]], [[Pfrimm]], [[Pike Run]], [[Pine Creek (Allegheny River)]], [[Pine River (Chippewa River)]], [[Pisa (river)]], [[Plessur (river)]], [[Plum Creek (Allegheny River)]], [[Plura (river)]], [[Poplar River (Montana–Saskatchewan)]], [[Portugués River]], [[Poxte River]], [[Prairie Dog Town Fork Red River]], [[Prieto River (Ponce, Puerto Rico)]], [[Prądnik River]], [[Pucketa Creek]], [[Qingyi River]], [[Qingyi River (Sichuan)]], [[Rachel Carson Run]], [[Radolfzeller Aach]], [[Ragöse]], [[Rahughat Khola]], [[Randolph Brook]], [[Ravi River]], [[Red Rock River (Montana)]], [[Redknife River]], [[Redwater River]], [[Rehbach (Palatinate)]], [[Reiherstieg]], [[Rein da Curnera]], [[Rein da Maighels]], [[Rein da Medel]], [[Rein da Tuma]], [[Renhe River]], [[Rethe]], [[Reting Tsangpo]], [[Rhünda (river)]], [[Riddle Run]], [[Riera de Merlès]], [[Rivanna River]], [[River Avon, Warwickshire]], [[River Camac]], [[River Dodder]], [[River Misbourne]], [[River Poddle]], [[River Pushpawati]], [[River Rye, Yorkshire]], [[River Slang]], [[River des Chutes]], [[Roach River (Maine)]], [[Roaring Brook (Cruser Brook)]], [[Roaring River (Manitoba)]], [[Rock Creek (Montana)]], [[Rocky Brook]], [[Rocky River (Michigan)]], [[Rocky Run (Bull Creek)]], [[Rosbach (Nidda)]], [[Rosenbach (White Elster)]], [[Rotach]], [[Royce Brook]], [[Ruby River]], [[Rubyiro River]], [[Rudawa (river)]], [[Ruhwa River]], [[Rukarara River]], [[Río Blanco (Ponce, Puerto Rico)]], [[Río Inabón]], [[Röhr (river)]], [[SRSP Flood Flow Canal]], [[Saalbach (river)]], [[Sabun River]], [[Sacagawea River]], [[Sai River (Gifu)]], [[Sakai River (Gifu)]], [[Salt Fork Brazos River]], [[San Patricio River]], [[Sangamon River]], [[Sarayan river]], [[Sauer]], [[Saxton River]], [[Schlaube]], [[Schwale]], [[Schwarzbach (Blies)]], [[Schwarzbach (Emscher)]], [[Schwinge (Elbe)]], [[Schönau (river)]], [[Scuppernong River (North Carolina)]], [[Selbitz (river)]], [[Semois]], [[Sense (river)]], [[Set (river)]], [[Seti Gandaki River]], [[Seti River]], [[Severn River (New Zealand)]], [[Sharda River]], [[Shields River]], [[Shin River (Aichi)]], [[Shirakawa River]], [[Shō River]], [[Shōnai River]], [[Sims (river)]], [[Sina River]], [[Sissle]], [[Sixteen Mile Creek (Montana)]], [[Slaughter Creek]], [[Smith River (Montana)]], [[Sonoita Creek]], [[Sorge (Schleswig)]], [[Sorpe (Röhr)]], [[Souleuvre]], [[South Branch Roaring Creek]], [[South Fork Flathead River]], [[South Keltma River]], [[Speyerbach]], [[Spiegelbach]], [[Squaw Run (Allegheny River)]], [[St. Regis River (Montana)]], [[Starzlach (Breitach)]], [[Steep Hill Brook (New Jersey)]], [[Steindöbra]], [[Stillwater River (Flathead County, Montana)]], [[Stillwater River (Stillwater County, Montana)]], [[Stony Brook (Green Brook)]], [[Stony Brook Branch]], [[Stonycreek River]], [[Strudelbach]], [[Sulzbach (Main)]], [[Sun Kosi]], [[Sweet Grass Creek]], [[Syre]], [[Sédelle]], [[Süderelbe]], [[Takahara River]], [[Tamur River]], [[Tang Chuu]], [[Teisnach (river)]], [[Tenryū River]], [[Terhune Run]], [[Teton River (Montana)]], [[Thornapple River (Wisconsin)]], [[Théols]], [[Timber Run]], [[Timsher River]], [[Toba River (Gifu)]], [[Tranys]], [[Trishuli River]], [[Trout River (Quebec)]], [[Tsubo River]], [[Tulva River (Russia)]], [[Turtle Creek (Monongahela River)]], [[Tverråga]], [[Two Medicine River]], [[Tya (river)]], [[Tô Lịch River]], [[Töss (river)]], [[Unterelbe]], [[User:Biosketch/Nahal Hermon]], [[User:Jokulhlaup/draftarticle1]], [[User:LADave/Sandbox]], [[User:Pfly/tests]], [[User:Ssbds/Birch Creek (Pondera County, Montana)]]
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| watershed_km2 || [[Abe River]], [[Abista]], [[Ablach (Danube)]], [[Adour]], [[Agano River]], [[Agatsuma River]], [[Agluona (Akmenė)]], [[Aibiki River]], [[Ailette (river)]], [[Airain]], [[Akanyaru River]], [[Akchim River]], [[Akkarzhanka]], [[Aknysta (river)]], [[Alb (Southern Black Forest)]], [[Albarine]], [[Algama River]], [[Alkupis (Nevėžis)]], [[Allaikha River]], [[Allakh-Yun River]], [[Alta River]], [[Aluona]], [[Alène]], [[Amedichi River]], [[Anadyr River]], [[Anarjohka]], [[Andi Koysu]], [[Anglin]], [[Antholzer Bach]], [[Arata River]], [[Arconce]], [[Aricanduva River]], [[Arie River]], [[Arz (river)]], [[Asovka River]], [[Aspa River]], [[Asse (river)]], [[Asuwa River]], [[Attert (river)]], [[Aubetin]], [[Aujon]], [[Aura (Archipelago Sea)]], [[Aura (Norway)]], [[Auroue]], [[Aux Rochers River]], [[Auzoue]], [[Avers Rhine]], [[Babka River]], [[Baltupis]], [[Bappagay River]], [[Barda River]], [[Barduelva]], [[Barguelonne]], [[Batiscan River]], [[Batnfjordelva]], [[Beaver Creek (Tennessee)]], [[Belaya River (Kuban)]], [[Benaize]], [[Berezina River]], [[Beryozovaya River]], [[Beryozovka River (Perm Krai)]], [[Biała (Supraśl)]], [[Biscubio]], [[Bist (river)]], [[Blaise (Marne)]], [[Blanice (Sázava)]], [[Blue Nile]], [[Bléone]], [[Bolshoy Salym River]], [[Bolshoy Zelenchuk River]], [[Bosut (river)]], [[Bouble]], [[Bourbince]], [[Bourbre]], [[Boutonne]], [[Bouzanne]], [[Bradano]], [[Braid Burn]], [[Brame]], [[Brasta (Nevėžis)]], [[Bregalnica]], [[Briance]], [[Bubyl River]], [[Buy River]], [[Bym River]], [[Bystrzyca (Odra)]], [[Calavon]], [[Carapelle (river)]], [[Caroní River]], [[Chagan River]], [[Chalaronne]], [[Chanva River]], [[Chapeauroux]], [[Chassezac]], [[Chateauguay River]], [[Chavanon]], [[Chienti]], [[Chikman River]], [[Chikugo River]], [[Chixoy River]], [[Chudova River]], [[Chusovaya River]], [[Chyornaya River]], [[Chère]], [[Chée]], [[Chéran]], [[Clouère]], [[Clutha River]], [[Coaticook River]], [[Coello River]], [[Colagne]], [[Couzon river]], [[Croche River (La Tuque)]], [[Céor]], [[Céou]], [[Cérou]], [[Côle]], [[Côney]], [[Dabikinė]], [[Dadou]], [[Dagia]], [[Dalnyk River]], [[Daugava (river)]], [[Dill (river)]], [[Dirillo]], [[Diège]], [[Dniester]], [[Dourdou de Camarès]], [[Dozovka River]], [[Dragonja]], [[Dranse (Haute-Savoie)]], [[Dranse d'Abondance]], [[Drôme (Aure)]], [[Du River]], [[Duilong River]], [[Durance]], [[Dzhurich River]], [[Dōzan River]], [[Eckbach]], [[Eder]], [[Edo River]], [[Eggentaler Bach]], [[Eisch]], [[Elle (river)]], [[Enns (river)]], [[Enz]], [[Ergolz]], [[Erlenbach (Speyerbach)]], [[Eura (river)]], [[Exploits River]], [[Eyach (Enz)]], [[Falbecke]], [[Falschauer]], [[Fiastra (river)]], [[Fier (river)]], [[Flint River (Alabama)]], [[Fuji River]], [[Galaure]], [[Galga]], [[Ganges]], [[Gauja (Neman)]], [[Gaula (Sogn og Fjordane)]], [[Gaula (Sør-Trøndelag)]], [[Gdovka River]], [[Gelt River (New Zealand)]], [[German Thaya]], [[Gervė]], [[Gier (river)]], [[Gijou]], [[Glukhaya Vilva River]], [[Glâne (river)]], [[Gojō River]], [[Goroku River]], [[Govorukha River]], [[Gramas]], [[Gran Ega]], [[Gravona]], [[Grieža]], [[Grissenbach (Sieg)]], [[Grosne (river)]], [[Gsieser Bach]], [[Guadarrama (river)]], [[Guil]], [[Guye (river)]], [[Gōnokawa River]], [[Hanami River]], [[Hida River]], [[Hinterrhein (river)]], [[Hochspeyerbach]], [[Hori River (Nagoya)]], [[Hornaday River]], [[Hutt River (New Zealand)]], [[Ibi River]], [[Ichinomiya River]], [[Idice]], [[Iecava (river)]], [[Iijoki]], [[Ijira River]], [[Ilfis (river)]], [[Indiga River]], [[Indija (river)]], [[Indrois]], [[Innbach]], [[Inukami River]], [[Inva River]], [[Irati (river)]], [[Iren River]], [[Irgina River]], [[Isenach]], [[Istra (Rauma)]], [[Isumi River]], [[Itz]], [[Iwaki River]], [[Janon]], [[Jeannotte River]], [[Jinzū River]], [[Johor River]], [[Jostedøla]], [[Juodupė (Tatula)]], [[Jōganji River]], [[Jūra]], [[Kad River]], [[Kagalnik River]], [[Kakehashi River]], [[Kalaus River]], [[Kamnik Bistrica]], [[Kamo River]], [[Kano River]], [[Kapuas River]], [[Karasu River (Gunma)]], [[Karlinbach]], [[Katsura River]], [[Kawaura River]], [[Khobi (river)]], [[Khulm River]], [[Kiso River]], [[Kitakami River]], [[Klejnárka]], [[Koito River]], [[Kolva River (Perm Krai)]], [[Kosa River]], [[Kosva River]], [[Kotra (river)]], [[Kourou (river)]], [[Koyva River]], [[Kruostas]], [[Krähenbach]], [[Kuara River]], [[Kuban River]], [[Kumano River]], [[Kupa (Lėvuo)]], [[Kuriyama River]], [[Kurobe River (Chiba Prefecture)]], [[Kuta River]], [[Kutim River]], [[Kuzuryū River]], [[Laba River]], [[Lahn]], [[Lakselva]], [[Lamone (river)]], [[Lan River]], [[Langvassåga]], [[Latava]], [[Lay (river)]], [[Layon]], [[Lhasa River]], [[Liepona]], [[Lightning River]], [[Lignon du Forez]], [[Lignon du Velay]], [[Little Bostonnais River]], [[Little Choctawhatchee River]], [[Lizonne]], [[Lokys (river)]], [[Louge]], [[Luzège]], [[Lyamin River]], [[Lyapin River]], [[Lypiya River]], [[Lyzovka River]], [[Lèze]], [[Madon]], [[Mahoning River]], [[Main (river)]], [[Makita River]], [[Malčius]], [[Malše]], [[Mandalselva]], [[Manych River]], [[Mareb River]], [[Markha River (Lena)]], [[Maronne]], [[Marycha]], [[Matawin River (Quebec)]], [[Maze River (Japan)]], [[Merbok River]], [[Merkys]], [[Meu]], [[Min River (Fujian)]], [[Mississippi River (Ontario)]], [[Moder (river)]], [[Molmys River]], [[Moravian Thaya]], [[Mortagne (river)]], [[Motloutse River]], [[Moyva River]], [[Moïse River (Quebec)]], [[Muda River]], [[Mulan River]], [[Mulberry River (Arkansas)]], [[Mur (river)]], [[Mußbach]], [[Mékinac River]], [[Nagara River]], [[Nahualate River]], [[Naka River (Tochigi Ibaraki)]], [[Nakatsu River]], [[Nemiscau River]], [[Neo River]], [[Ngounié River]], [[Nikkō River]], [[Nishiki River]], [[Nive]], [[Nizva River]], [[Nogat]], [[North Keltma River]], [[Noska]], [[Noyyal River]], [[Nyurolka River]], [[Obitsu River]], [[Obva River]], [[Ogooué River]], [[Oirase River]], [[Omono River]], [[Ondaine]], [[Orbieu]], [[Orkla (river)]], [[Orne (river)]], [[Osam]], [[Osha River]], [[Osse (river)]], [[Othain]], [[Otin River]], [[Otra]], [[Ouanne (river)]], [[Oudon (river)]], [[Ource]], [[Ozanne]], [[Ošupis]], [[Pajeú River]], [[Paupelys]], [[Penzhina River]], [[Petite Baïse]], [[Petite Creuse]], [[Pfitscher Bach]], [[Pflerscher Bach]], [[Pfrimm]], [[Pfunderer Bach]], [[Pilgerbach (Eder)]], [[Piltyna]], [[Pirita (river)]], [[Piz River]], [[Plima]], [[Plura (river)]], [[Polui River]], [[Poplar Creek (Tennessee)]], [[Portuguesa River]], [[Pragser Bach]], [[Ptsich]], [[Pyana River]], [[Pyhäjoki (river)]], [[Qin River]], [[Radika]], [[Radolfzeller Aach]], [[Rauma (river)]], [[Red River (Cumberland River)]], [[Rega]], [[Rehbach (Palatinate)]], [[Rein da Medel]], [[Renhe River]], [[Rhue (river)]], [[Rhünda (river)]], [[Richelieu River]], [[Ridnauner Bach]], [[Rienz]], [[Ringužė]], [[Rio Minho (Jamaica)]], [[River Ness]], [[River Oykel]], [[River Rye, Yorkshire]], [[River des Chutes]], [[Rivière-à-la-Lime]], [[Rohni River]], [[Rosbach (Nidda)]], [[Rovėja]], [[Ruamahanga River]], [[Ruch River]], [[Rupt de Mad]], [[Rēzekne (river)]], [[Saba River]], [[Sagami River]], [[Sai River (Gifu)]], [[Saint-Charles River]], [[Sakai River (Gifu)]], [[Sakarya River]], [[Saldurbach]], [[Salleron]], [[Salzach]], [[Samoggia]], [[San Jorge River]], [[San Juan River (Argentina)]], [[Sarugaishi River]], [[Sauer]], [[Save River (Africa)]], [[Savena]], [[Schwarzbach (Blies)]], [[Schönau (river)]], [[Sebeya River]], [[Semme]], [[Semnon]], [[Semois]], [[Sendai River]], [[Senouire]], [[Serbenta]], [[Seugne]], [[Sevron]], [[Shakva River]], [[Shchara River]], [[Shchuchya River]], [[Shirakawa River]], [[Shizukuishi River]], [[Shkotovka River]], [[Shurtan River]], [[Shō River]], [[Shōnai River]], [[Sindernbach]], [[Siva River]], [[Slovechna]], [[Smagne]], [[Solnan]], [[Someș River]], [[Sorgues (river)]], [[Sormonne (river)]], [[Souleuvre]], [[South Keltma River]], [[Speyerbach]], [[Spiegelbach]], [[Stewiacke River]], [[Stokhid River]], [[Strėva]], [[Suippe]], [[Suldenbach]], [[Sura River]], [[Svalia (river)]], [[Svete (river)]], [[Sylva River]], [[Syre]], [[Sédelle]], [[Séoune]], [[Sõtke (river)]], [[Takahara River]], [[Tamanduateí River]], [[Taoer River]], [[Tardes (river)]], [[Taurožė]], [[Tawachiche River]], [[Teberda River]], [[Tenryū River]], [[Thoré]], [[Théols]], [[Timsher River]], [[Toba River (Gifu)]], [[Tone River]], [[Tonlé San]], [[Touch (river)]], [[Tovdalselva]], [[Triouzoune]], [[Tromyogan River]], [[Tsna River (Pripyat)]], [[Tsuru River]], [[Tuhala (river)]], [[Tulva River (Russia)]], [[Turija River]], [[Turka River]], [[Turysh River]], [[Tverråga]], [[Tyup River]], [[Tárcoles River]], [[Ubaté River]], [[Ukhtym River]], [[Uls River]], [[Ulvich River]], [[Upytė (Tatula)]], [[Urauchi River]], [[Urup River]], [[User:Haplology/Yamazaki river]], [[User:LADave/Sandbox]], [[User:Pfly/tests]], [[User:Riharcc/Sandbox]], [[User:V0d4n/Rosbach (Nidda)]], [[Usva River]]
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| watershed_sqmi || [[Abrahams Creek]], [[Ackerly Creek]], [[Alexander Creek (Susitna River)]], [[Apishapa River]], [[Arnold Creek (Huntington Creek)]], [[Ashelman Run]], [[Au Gres River]], [[Aylesworth Creek]], [[Baker Run]], [[Balliet Run]], [[Baron Fork of the Illinois River]], [[Bassett Creek (Tombigbee River)]], [[Battle Creek River]], [[Bean Run]], [[Bear Brook (Roaring Brook)]], [[Beartrap Hollow]], [[Bearwallow Run]], [[Beaver Creek (Buttermilk Creek)]], [[Beaver Creek (Colorado)]], [[Beaver Creek (Tennessee)]], [[Beaver Run (Bowman Creek)]], [[Beaver Run (Buffalo Creek)]], [[Beaver Run (Catawissa Creek)]], [[Beaver Run (Chillisquaque Creek)]], [[Bee Sellers Hollow]], [[Bennys Run]], [[Benson Hollow]], [[Beth Run]], [[Big Dry Creek (Westminster, Colorado)]], [[Big Garlic River]], [[Big Run (East Branch Fishing Creek)]], [[Big Run (West Branch Fishing Creek)]], [[Big Sandy Creek (Colorado)]], [[Big Wapwallopen Creek]], [[Bijou Creek]], [[Billings Mill Brook]], [[Birch Island Run]], [[Black Ash Creek]], [[Black Creek (Susquehanna River)]], [[Black Run (Spruce Run)]], [[Black Run (West Branch Susquehanna River)]], [[Blackberry Run]], [[Blackstone River]], [[Blizzards Run]], [[Bloody Run (West Branch Fishing Creek)]], [[Boardman River]], [[Boile Run]], [[Boston Run]], [[Bow Creek (Big Wapwallopen Creek)]], [[Bowman Creek]], [[Brace Brook]], [[Briar Creek (Susquehanna River)]], [[Brish Run]], [[Broad Hollow Run]], [[Brown Creek]], [[Browns Creek (Huntsville Creek)]], [[Buck Creek (Kent County, Michigan)]], [[Buck Run (West Branch Brandywine Creek)]], [[Buffalo Creek (West Branch Susquehanna River)]], [[Buffalo Fork (Wyoming)]], [[Buffalo River (Tennessee)]], [[Buttermilk Creek (Susquehanna River)]], [[Butternut Run]], [[Cabin Run]], [[Callender Gap Creek]], [[Carbon Run]], [[Catawissa Creek]], [[Cherry Run (South Branch Bowman Creek)]], [[Chico Creek]], [[Chillisquaque Creek]], [[Chimneystack Run]], [[Cider Run (Bowman Creek)]], [[Cider Run (Sutton Creek)]], [[Clarks Creek (Lackawanna River)]], [[Clover Hill Creek]], [[Coal Brook]], [[Coal Creek (Susquehanna River)]], [[Coal Run (North Branch Buffalo Creek)]], [[Coal Run (Shamokin Creek)]], [[Coles Creek (Pennsylvania)]], [[Collins Creek]], [[Conety Run]], [[Copper River (Alaska)]], [[Corn Run]], [[County Line Branch]], [[Courtois Creek]], [[Cowbell Hollow]], [[Cox Run]], [[Crab Run (Mahanoy Creek)]], [[Cranberry Run]], [[Creasy Creek]], [[Crooked Creek (Kitchen Creek)]], [[Crooked Run (Catawissa Creek)]], [[Culley Run]], [[Culver Creek (Pennsylvania)]], [[Darby Creek (Pennsylvania)]], [[Dark Run]], [[Davis Hollow]], [[Davis Run]], [[Dead River (Michigan)]], [[Deep Hollow (West Branch Fishing Creek)]], [[Deerlick Run]], [[Drakes Creek]], [[Dry Creek (Martins Creek)]], [[Dry Run (Susquehecka Creek)]], [[Dry Run (West Branch Susquehanna River)]], [[Dymond Creek]], [[East Branch Briar Creek]], [[East Branch Chillisquaque Creek]], [[East Branch Field Brook]], [[East Branch Lackawanna River]], [[East Branch Martins Creek]], [[East Branch Raven Creek]], [[East Branch Roaring Brook]], [[East Fork Harveys Creek]], [[Eddy Creek (Lackawanna River)]], [[Elk Run (West Branch Fishing Creek)]], [[Emerson Run]], [[Espy Run]], [[Fades Creek]], [[Fall Brook (Lackawanna River)]], [[Fallow Hollow]], [[Falls Creek (Buttermilk Creek)]], [[Fiddle Lake Creek]], [[Field Brook]], [[Fisher Run]], [[Fitch Creek]], [[Flint River (Alabama)]], [[Frozen Run]], [[Furnace Run (Catawissa Creek)]], [[Furnace Run (Shamokin Creek)]], [[Gallows Run]], [[Ganges]], [[Gardner Creek (Mill Creek)]], [[Gardner Creek (Susquehanna River)]], [[Gaskins Run]], [[Glade Run]], [[Glen Brook]], [[Grassy Island Creek]], [[Gravel Run (Susquehanna River)]], [[Green Run (Spring Brook)]], [[Guanipa River]], [[Halfway Run]], [[Hallowing Run]], [[Hammersley Fork]], [[Harveys Creek]], [[Heart River (Wyoming)]], [[Heberly Run]], [[Hemlock Run]], [[Hess Hollow]], [[Hettesheimer Run]], [[Hicks Creek (Susquehanna River)]], [[Hog Run]], [[Hop Bottom Creek]], [[Horse Creek (Colorado)]], [[Horse Creek (Tombigbee River)]], [[Horton Creek (Oxbow Creek)]], [[Horton Creek (Tunkhannock Creek)]], [[Hull Creek (Lackawanna River)]], [[Hunkydory Creek]], [[Hunlock Creek]], [[Hunts Run]], [[Huntsville Creek]], [[Huzzah Creek]], [[Indian Cave Creek]], [[Indian Creek (Mauses Creek)]], [[Indian River Lagoon]], [[Ipswich River]], [[Ithan Creek]], [[Johnson Creek (Lithia Springs Creek)]], [[Karnes Hollow]], [[Kase Run]], [[Kashinka Hollow]], [[Keeler Creek]], [[Kehly Run]], [[Kellum Creek]], [[Kennedy Creek]], [[Kern Glen Creek]], [[Kern Run]], [[Kettle Creek (Pennsylvania)]], [[Keyser Creek]], [[Kingsbury Brook]], [[Kiowa Creek (Colorado)]], [[Kipps Run]], [[Kishwaukee River]], [[Klingermans Run]], [[Lackawanna River]], [[Lake Run]], [[Lampblack Creek]], [[Laurel River]], [[Laurel Run (Huntington Creek)]], [[Laurel Run (Lackawanna River)]], [[Laurel Run (Mill Creek)]], [[Lawrence Brook]], [[Leach Creek]], [[Lead Run]], [[Lees Creek (Lackawanna River)]], [[Leggetts Creek]], [[Leonard Creek]], [[Lewis Creek (Susquehanna River)]], [[Lick Branch]], [[Lick Creek (Shamokin Creek)]], [[Lick Run (Little Fishing Creek)]], [[Lick Run (Roaring Creek)]], [[Lick Run (West Branch Susquehanna River)]], [[Lick Run (White Deer Creek)]], [[Lidy Creek]], [[Limestone Run (Montour and Northumberland Counties, Pennsylvania)]], [[Lindy Creek]], [[Lithia Springs Creek]], [[Little Brier Run]], [[Little Buffalo Creek]], [[Little Catawissa Creek]], [[Little Choctawhatchee River]], [[Little Crooked Run]], [[Little Darby Creek (Pennsylvania)]], [[Little Fishing Creek]], [[Little Green Creek]], [[Little Miami River]], [[Little Nescopeck Creek]], [[Little Nescopeck Creek A]], [[Little Pine Creek (Luzerne and Columbia Counties, Pennsylvania)]], [[Little Roaring Brook]], [[Little Roaring Creek]], [[Little Shamokin Creek]], [[Little Shickshinny Creek]], [[Little Tomhicken Creek]], [[Little Wapwallopen Creek]], [[Lochloosa Creek]], [[Locust Creek (Shamokin Creek)]], [[Logan Run]], [[Long Hollow (Catawissa Creek)]], [[Long Run (Elk Run)]], [[Long Run (Nescopeck Creek)]], [[Lost Creek (Shenandoah Creek)]], [[Lower Little Swatara Creek]], [[Lucky Run]], [[Luphers Run]], [[Macatawa River]], [[Mahanoy Creek]], [[Mahoning Creek (Susquehanna River)]], [[Manistee River]], [[Maple Run]], [[Maple Spring Brook]], [[Marsh Creek (Bowman Creek)]], [[Marsh Creek (Rogers Creek)]], [[Marsh Run]], [[Martin Creek (Susquehanna River)]], [[Mauses Creek]], [[McElmo Creek]], [[McKee Run]], [[Meadow Brook (Lackawanna River)]], [[Meeker Run]], [[Menominee River]], [[Messers Run]], [[Metolius River]], [[Middle Branch Chillisquaque Creek]], [[Middle Creek (Schwaben Creek)]], [[Mile Run (White Deer Creek)]], [[Mill Creek (Lackawanna River)]], [[Mill Creek (Roaring Creek)]], [[Mill Creek (Whitelock Creek)]], [[Miller Run]], [[Millers Run]], [[Mine Gap Run]], [[Mitchler Run]], [[Moneypenny Creek]], [[Monroe Creek (Tunkhannock Creek)]], [[Montour Run]], [[Mountain Lake Run]], [[Mouse Creek (Schwaben Creek)]], [[Mud Creek (Chillisquaque Creek)]], [[Mud Run (Green Creek)]], [[Muddy Run (Spruce Run)]], [[Mulberry River (Arkansas)]], [[Muncy Creek]], [[Mékinac River]], [[Neches River]], [[Negro Hollow]], [[Newport Creek]], [[Newton Run]], [[North Branch Bowman Creek]], [[North Branch Buffalo Creek]], [[North Branch Mahantango Creek]], [[North Branch Shamokin Creek]], [[North Fork Red River]], [[North Fork Tangascootack Creek]], [[North Mahanoy Creek]], [[Noyyal River]], [[Nuangola Outlet]], [[Oak Run (Wolf Run)]], [[Obendoffers Creek]], [[Oley Creek]], [[Ore Run]], [[Oxbow Creek]], [[Oxbow Inlet]], [[Oxhorn Run]], [[Pacific Creek (Teton County, Wyoming)]], [[Packers Run]], [[Paint Spring Run]], [[Painter Creek]], [[Painter Run]], [[Pancoast Creek]], [[Panther Creek (Spring Brook)]], [[Panther Run]], [[Pawnee Creek (Colorado)]], [[Pease River]], [[Peterman Run]], [[Piedra River (Colorado)]], [[Pigeon Run (Sullivan Branch)]], [[Pikes Creek]], [[Pine Creek (Huntington Creek)]], [[Pine Creek (Solomon Creek)]], [[Plank Bridge Creek]], [[Plaster Creek]], [[Plum Creek (Little Shamokin Creek)]], [[Pond Creek (Little Wapwallopen Creek)]], [[Poplar Creek (Tennessee)]], [[Powderly Creek]], [[Prairie Dog Town Fork Red River]], [[Price Creek]], [[Purgatoire River]], [[Quaker Run]], [[Quinn Run]], [[Raccoon Creek (Tomhicken Creek)]], [[Racket Brook]], [[Rapid Run (Buffalo Creek)]], [[Rattlesnake Creek (Spring Brook)]], [[Rattling Run (Catawissa Creek)]], [[Rattling Run (Little Mahanoy Creek)]], [[Raups Run]], [[Raven Creek]], [[Red River (Cumberland River)]], [[Red Spring Run]], [[Reyburn Creek]], [[Richelieu River]], [[Rickard Hollow]], [[River Avon, Warwickshire]], [[River Rouge (Michigan)]], [[Roaring Brook (Hunlock Creek)]], [[Roaring Brook (Lackawanna River)]], [[Roaring Creek (Pennsylvania)]], [[Roaring Run (Bowman Creek)]], [[Rock Bottom Creek]], [[Rocky River (Alaska)]], [[Rocky Run (Susquehanna River)]], [[Rogers Creek]], [[Rolling Green Run]], [[Rough Run]], [[Rush Brook]], [[Rush Creek (Colorado)]], [[Saginaw River]], [[Saguache Creek]], [[Saint John River (Liberia)]], [[Saint Johns Creek]], [[Salem Creek]], [[Salt Fork Brazos River]], [[San Luis Creek (Colorado)]], [[Saw Mill Run]], [[Schwaben Creek]], [[Scotch Run (Catawissa Creek)]], [[Sealholtz Run]], [[Sechler Run]], [[Seventy One]], [[Shamokin Creek]], [[Shanty Run]], [[Shiawassee River]], [[Shickshinny Creek]], [[Shingle Cabin Brook]], [[Shingle Mill Run]], [[Shingle Run (Huntington Creek)]], [[Shingle Run (West Branch Run)]], [[Six Springs Creek]], [[Slide Hollow]], [[Slip Run (West Branch Fishing Creek)]], [[Snapper Creek]], [[Solomon Creek]], [[Sorber Run]], [[South Branch Bowman Creek]], [[South Branch Leach Creek]], [[South Branch Roaring Creek]], [[South Branch Roaring Run]], [[South Branch Tunkhannock Creek]], [[South Run (Bowman Creek)]], [[Spencer Run]], [[Spring Brook (Lackawanna River)]], [[Spring Creek (White Deer Hole Creek)]], [[Spring Run (Solomon Creek)]], [[Spring Run (West Branch Susquehanna River)]], [[Spruce Run (Buffalo Creek)]], [[Spruce Run (Little Fishing Creek)]], [[St. Clair River]], [[St. Vrain Creek]], [[Stafford Meadow Brook]], [[Sterry Creek]], [[Stone Run (Bowman Creek)]], [[Stony Brook (Fishing Creek)]], [[Stony Run (Buffalo Creek)]], [[Stony Run (Little Catawissa Creek)]], [[Stranger Hollow]], [[Streets Run]], [[Sugar Hollow Creek]], [[Sugar Notch Run]], [[Sugar Run (Bowman Creek)]], [[Sugar Run (Marsh Creek)]], [[Sugarloaf Creek]], [[Sullivan Branch]], [[Summit Lake Creek]], [[Susquehecka Creek]], [[Sutton Creek (Susquehanna River)]], [[Swale Brook]], [[Swan River (Manitoba–Saskatchewan)]], [[Swanks Run]], [[Tahquamenon River]], [[Tangascootack Creek]], [[Tawachiche West River]], [[Tenmile Run (Susquehanna River)]], [[Tinkers Creek (Cuyahoga River)]], [[Tittabawassee River]], [[Toby Creek]], [[Toby Run]], [[Tomhicken Creek]], [[Trexler Run]], [[Trout Brook (Toby Creek)]], [[Trout Run (East Branch Fishing Creek)]], [[Trout Run (Shamokin Creek)]], [[Tunis Run]], [[Tunkhannock Creek (Susquehanna River)]], [[Turkey Run (West Branch Susquehanna River)]], [[Turtle Creek (Susquehanna River)]], [[Turtle Creek (West Branch Susquehanna River)]], [[Two Butte Creek]], [[Twomile Run]], [[User:Drcrazy102/sandbox/Kansas River infoboxes]], [[User:Jokulhlaup/draftarticle1]], [[Wadham Creek]], [[Walker Run]], [[Warrior Creek]], [[Warrior Run (West Branch Susquehanna River)]], [[Washita River]], [[Wasp Branch]], [[West Branch Fishing Creek]], [[West Branch Lackawanna River]], [[West Branch Run]], [[West Branch Tinklepaugh Creek]], [[West Creek (Pennsylvania)]], [[West Hemlock Creek]], [[Wetzel Run]], [[White Hall Creek]], [[White Oak Run (Lackawanna River)]], [[White Oak Run (Roaring Brook)]], [[White River (Indiana)]], [[White River (White Lake)]], [[Whitelock Creek]], [[Wildcat Creek (Lackawanna River)]], [[Wilson Creek (Lackawanna River)]], [[Wilson Run]], [[Windfall Run]], [[Winfield Creek]], [[Wolf Run (Bowman Creek)]], [[Wolf Run (Muncy Creek)]], [[Wolffs Run]], [[Wolfhouse Run]], [[Wood River (Oregon)]], [[Yachats River]], [[Yankee Run]], [[York Hollow]], [[York Run]], [[Zerbe Run]]
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==== Tasks ====
;Rename
* <code>origin_long_s</code> → source1_long_s
* <code>origin_lat_s</code> → source1_lat_s
* <code>origin_long_m</code> → source1_long_m
* <code>origin_lat_m</code> → source1_lat_m
* <code>lakes</code> → waterbodies
* <code>origin_long_EW</code> → source1_long_EW
* <code>origin_lat_NS</code> → source1_lat_NS
* <code>origin_lat_d</code> → source1_lat_d
* <code>origin_long_d</code> → source1_long_d
* <code>native_name_lang</code> → name_native_lang
* <code>native_name</code> → name_native
* <code>blank_name</code> → custom_label
* <code>blank_info</code> → custom_data
* <code>other_name</code> → name_other
* <code>image_map</code> → map
* <code>right_tribs</code> → tributaries_right
* <code>left_tribs</code> → tributaries_left
* <code>discharge</code> → discharge1_avg
* <code>watershed</code> → basin_size
* <code>elevation</code> → source1_elevation

;Rename (with template conversion)
* <code>discharge_cuft/s</code> → discharge1_avg
* <code>elevation_ft</code> → source1_elevation
* <code>discharge_m3/s</code> → discharge1_avg
* <code>mouth_elevation_m</code> → mouth_elevation
* <code>elevation_m</code> → source1_elevation
* <code>watershed_sqmi</code> → basin_size
* <code>watershed_km2</code> → basin_size
* <code>origin_coordinates</code> → disperse this over source1 coordinates
* <code>mouth_coordinates</code> → disperse this over mouth coordinates
* <code>length_mi</code> → length
* <code>mouth_elevation_ft</code> → mouth_elevation
* <code>length_km</code> → length

;Rename (only if simultaneous with any of above)
* <code>caption</code> → image_caption
* <code>location</code> → basin_cities
* <code>image_name</code> → image
* <code>mouth</code> → mouth_location
* <code>origin</code> → source1_location
* <code>river_name</code> → name

=== Discussion ===
Hi. As some of you may already be aware, I have been working on a revamped version of this infobox '''[[Template:Infobox river/sandbox|here]]'''. Since it is now almost complete, I would like to bring it up here for further discussions/improvements before we roll it to the main template space. To summarize, some of the main changes are as follows:

# New parameters has been added to enable a more detailed infobox. You can see the full skeleton (with dummy details) in the link above.
# Looking at the existing doc page, you will notice that it is extremely long, mostly because conversions are hardcoded into the template. Infoboxes should not have hardcoded parameters with a specific format to use (i.e. ''km'' or ''mi''). The user should be the one deciding on the preferred unit depending on the article/subject (or the doc page should state so). Having these separate parameters also make the whole skeleton unnecessarily large. The best option is to simply move the fields to a more generic parameter (example: <code>length_km</code> → <code>length</code>), and use the {{tl|Convert}} template. To fix this:</br>(a) The parameters are changed to a more generic parameter (example: <code>length_km</code> → <code>length</code>), with the use the {{tl|Convert}} encouraged. But of course;</br>(b) The old parameters will be simultaneously functioning (still working on it), while in the mean time, a bot will sweep through articles to</br>(c) Scan for incorrect parameter usages (i.e errors), usages of non-existing parameters, and also to standardize parameter usage.
# The bot sweep will be done in one go, and hence will give us a good opportunity to tidy-up and stylize the parameters simultaneously, even if the changes are trivial. If you look closer at the new template skeleton listed on the sandbox-doc page, changes like <code>native_name</code> → <code>name_native</code> and <code>left_tribs</code> → <code> tributaries_left</code> makes the overall skeleton look much neater thanks to the ordered prefix.
# The template also supports additional fields such as up to five sources and mouths, waterbodies, waterfalls, bridges, custom labels, free-form bottom section, etc. See the link above.

Please share your views if you think there is something we could do better. I will keep this thread open for about a week so we have time to discuss before rolling the new version, while looking at the bot results to determine the best way forward. Cheers, [[User:Rehman|<span style="font-variant:small-caps; font-weight:bold; color:darkblue">Reh</span>]][[User talk:Rehman|<span style="color:green">man</span>]] 15:49, 26 January 2016 (UTC)

:Looks pretty impressive overall! 
:I think I spotted a typo in one of the parameters: shouldn't "basis_cities" be "basin_cities"? Also some additional river-specific parameters that would be useful are: 
::*"river system" i.e. the parent river system that the river is part of
::*"index number" i.e. the official (usually national) hydrographic index number for the river. Used in the USA, Canada, Germany, Austria, France, Russia, etc.
::*"navigability" i.e. when and where the river is navigable
::*"ports" i.e. inland ports along the river
::*It might also be good if the discharge and water levels could be associated with a location e.g. one or more named river gauges along the river. If that's difficult, it could be added at a subsequent stage
:Hope that helps. [[User:Bermicourt|Bermicourt]] ([[User talk:Bermicourt|talk]]) 17:26, 26 January 2016 (UTC)

::Thank you. :) Yes, basis should be basin, good spotting. I agree with your points 1, 2, 4, and will add them soon. Would you be able to provide an example on the type of content that should go in <code>navigability</code>? While it sounds like a good addition, sentences/longer text are [[H:IB|not allowed]] in infoboxes (the same reason I am thinking of starting a discussion regarding the <code>etymology</code> field, after this cleanup). For your last point, do you mean to add something like a location field for the depth and discharge sections (similar to the source1 section)? I'm off to work now, will look into it deeper when I reach back home (in about 12hrs), or if I can sneak in while in office. Regards, [[User:Rehman|<span style="font-variant:small-caps; font-weight:bold; color:darkblue">Reh</span>]][[User talk:Rehman|<span style="color:green">man</span>]] 00:00, 27 January 2016 (UTC)

::{{Ping|Bermicourt}} I went ahead and added <code>river system</code> and <code>ports</code>. For index numbers, it can be slotted into the <code>custom_label</code>/<code>custom_data</code> fields for now, as only a limited number of articles have such information... Waiting for your reply on "navigability" and "discharge location". [[User:Rehman|<span style="font-variant:small-caps; font-weight:bold; color:darkblue">Reh</span>]][[User talk:Rehman|<span style="color:green">man</span>]] 14:18, 27 January 2016 (UTC)

::<small>I have moved further replies regarding discharge data to new section "Discharge data" below, as it involved adding/improving additional fields. [[User:Rehman|<span style="font-variant:small-caps; font-weight:bold; color:darkblue">Reh</span>]][[User talk:Rehman|<span style="color:green">man</span>]] 13:39, 29 January 2016 (UTC) </small>
: [[User:Rehman|Rehman]], can you provide an example of a river with more than one mouth?  from what I have read, a river can have many sources, but only one mouth, but I could be wrong.  if there are no articles about rivers with more than one mouth, we should probably remove the numeric suffix from the mouth parameters. [[User:Frietjes|Frietjes]] ([[User talk:Frietjes|talk]]) 22:55, 2 February 2016 (UTC)
:: [[User:Frietjes|Frietjes]]: I think you are right. I did a search and did not find any river that has two or more mouths. And even if there is, I'm quite positive that there would not be more than a dozen at max. I will remove the multiple-mouth parameters shortly. Thanks for pointing out! [[User:Rehman|<span style="font-variant:small-caps; font-weight:bold; color:darkblue">Reh</span>]][[User talk:Rehman|<span style="color:green">man</span>]] 14:08, 3 February 2016 (UTC)
::: [[User:Rehman|Rehman]], if we are not going to have {{para|source1_coordinates}}, we will need {{para|source1_iso_region}} (see {{tl|infobox lake}}) and {{para|source1_ref}} or {{para|source1_footnotes}} (again, see {{tl|infobox lake}}). [[User:Frietjes|Frietjes]] ([[User talk:Frietjes|talk]]) 00:59, 11 February 2016 (UTC)
:::: Hmm... Do we have a template somewhere that could auto-convert and generate the region code from the <code>basin_country</code> parameter? Either way, I agree with you that we need to include the region code. But I am leaning towards ''not'' having an inline ref for the coord, as that is something that is very rarely available (most of the coords on wiki are manually derived by editors, and not stated on a source itself), and in my personal opinion, clutters the infobox. [[User:Rehman|<span style="font-variant:small-caps; font-weight:bold; color:darkblue">Reh</span>]][[User talk:Rehman|<span style="color:green">man</span>]] 16:01, 12 February 2016 (UTC)

:::There are certainly rivers with multiple mouths. The [[Grand Calumet River]], arguably the [[Chicago River]], the [[Amazon River|Amazon]]. [[User:Rmhermen|Rmhermen]] ([[User talk:Rmhermen|talk]]) 03:44, 11 February 2016 (UTC)
:::: I see.  in that case, we should probably default to {{para|mouth_location}}, but allow for {{para|mouth2_location}} as the need arises.  In the case of [[Amazon River]], it seems like it's more of a [[River delta|Delta]] region, since there are so many. [[User:Frietjes|Frietjes]] ([[User talk:Frietjes|talk]])
::::: Yes, the Amazon River case is a delta. Also, those examples doesn't seems to be valid as those are more or less due to human-modifications of the mouths. And even if an "all natural" dual-mouth river exist, I'm quite certain that there would be less than, say 5? I dont think we should include parameters that will be used just for a very few articles. For those cases mentioned above, we could simply include the ''main'' mouth, or use <code><nowiki></br></nowiki></code>. 
::::: If for any reason, we do add support for multiple mouths, I strongly suggest we add the <code>mouth1</code> prefix. That gives the editor an easy understanding that multiple entries are supported, and makes the skeleton look neat. [[User:Rehman|<span style="font-variant:small-caps; font-weight:bold; color:darkblue">Reh</span>]][[User talk:Rehman|<span style="color:green">man</span>]] 16:01, 12 February 2016 (UTC)

== Speyerbach ==

the right/left tributaries look pretty bad in [[Speyerbach]], with text overlapping on my browser.  would be better to just use two fields, rather than a table. [[User:Frietjes|Frietjes]] ([[User talk:Frietjes|talk]]) 21:00, 19 February 2016 (UTC)

== Revision suggestions ==
May I suggest some minor revisions to the template:
* Change "origin" to "source" since that is the generally accepted term for the start of a river
* Change "watershed" to "catchment area" or "drainage area", since watershed means different things to US and non-US geographers
* Change "basin countries" to "location" since, for large countries like USA, Russia or Germany, it is too vague. "Lower Saxony and Hesse, Germany" is a good location descriptor but they are not basin countries.
* Slightly increase the field name column, so that names with 2 words can still fit on one line and don't unduly extend the table
* Slightly increase the data column, so that a full coord can display on one line (see problem at [[Gerdau (river)]])
* Consider tweaking the format to include lines (as at [[:de:Böhme (Fluss)]]) - looks neater IMHO.

--[[User:Bermicourt|Bermicourt]] ([[User talk:Bermicourt|talk]]) 12:06, 6 October 2009 (UTC)

Suggest that we harmonize the display order of Imperial versus SI units.  I just spent more time than I'd like to admit in trying to figure out why the Niagara River apparently had less flow than the Colorado River, despite draining an almost equal area in a wetter location, until I realized the display order was reversed in the two pages so the Niagara does indeed have the greater flow.  Now, the Colorado River page uses Geobox, but apparently the River template has options for changing the display order, which is confusing, in my opinion.[[Special:Contributions/74.235.210.32|74.235.210.32]] ([[User talk:74.235.210.32|talk]]) 21:55, 2 November 2014 (UTC)

Is there a reason why river classification (ie. blackwater, etc.) is not included in the template? I think this is a good idea [[User:ValerietheBlonde|Valerie]] ([[User talk:ValerietheBlonde|talk]]) 20:12, 8 April 2016 (UTC)

Also, why is the template not a Geobox? [[User:ValerietheBlonde|Valerie]] ([[User talk:ValerietheBlonde|talk]]) 21:45, 8 April 2016 (UTC)

==Coordinates display==
Like other templates that accept geographic coordinates, this one needs a way to "turn off" the title display (of the mouth coordinates, in this case) to avoid overlapping coordinates in the title position when more than one infobox is used in an article. See [[Big Sandy Creek (Illinois)]], for example. I know little about template coding, but there has to be a way of overriding the "title=y" for the mouth coordinates. [[User:Deor|Deor]] ([[User talk:Deor|talk]]) 12:11, 21 April 2016 (UTC)
:Hi [[User:Deor|Deor]]. The template is currently undergoing some maintenance. I'll definitely add this along with the other updates (which is pending a bot sweep). [[User:Rehman|<span style="font-variant:small-caps; font-weight:bold; color:darkblue">Reh</span>]][[User talk:Rehman|<span style="color:green">man</span>]] 14:57, 21 April 2016 (UTC)
: [[User:Deor|Deor]], fixed, thank you for noticing. [[User:Frietjes|Frietjes]] ([[User talk:Frietjes|talk]]) 15:11, 21 April 2016 (UTC)
::Ah, {{u|Frietjes}}, we meet again. You might want to consider the case of [[River Cleddau]] with reference to this and the SSSI template. As we have it right now, the River Cleddau article describes two rivers, the Eastern and the Western River Cleddau which meet at a common mouth. That doesn't fit with this template well (and I acknowledge that [[River Cleddau]] could be split into two articles, one for each component river.) In addition, Eastern & Western both are SSSI; Eastern plus Western is a single Special Area of Conservation; and there's a second SAC at the head of the Eastern. So. A veritable template Clapham Junction, I think. Any thoughts on how we proceed, template-wise, much appreciated. --[[User:Tagishsimon|Tagishsimon]] [[User_talk:Tagishsimon|(talk)]] 23:29, 23 April 2016 (UTC)

== Gibberish parameter names ==

I've tried to change several vague and pretentious parameters on the template, but have been reverted multiple times for no reason. Specifically, "physiognomy" should be "physical characteristics" since the former appears to be some ind of pretentious term used solely to sound wordy and impressive, whereas the latter actually describes the parameter. Also, "size" is senselessly vague, so I tried to change that to "watershed area", but was again reverted for no reason. --'''[[User:Jakec|Jakob]] ([[user talk:Jakec|talk]]) ''' <small><small>aka Jakec</small></small> 01:33, 1 June 2016 (UTC)
:Both of these changes seem sensible to me. [[Physiognomy]] appears to be plain wrong; "physical characteristics" works well. And "Size" does indeed seem ambiguous. The variable is "basin size" and this does seem akin to [[Drainage basin]] - I'd support that as the label rather than watershed. I'm hoping that {{u|Rmhermen}} will give us the benefit of their thoughts on this, so that we can move on. --[[User:Tagishsimon|Tagishsimon]] [[User_talk:Tagishsimon|(talk)]] 11:55, 1 June 2016 (UTC)
::I prefer Jakec's suggestions. But either way, edit warring was not the way to go, and Rmhermen was not wrong in reverting as this is more of a personal preference. [[User:Rehman|<span style="font-variant:small-caps; font-weight:bold; color:darkblue">Reh</span>]][[User talk:Rehman|<span style="color:green">man</span>]] 13:50, 1 June 2016 (UTC)
::I too prefer the suggested changes in both cases. Characterizing the current ones as "gibberish" seems unnecessarily hostile. --[[User:TimK MSI|TimK MSI]] ([[User talk:TimK MSI|talk]]) 02:13, 2 June 2016 (UTC)
::Physical Characteristics is a better descriptor, but Watershed is an Americanism in this context. Basin Area would be a better term, linked to Drainage Basin...[[User:Jokulhlaup|Jokulhlaup]] ([[User talk:Jokulhlaup|talk]]) 14:14, 2 June 2016 (UTC)
:Since it seems there's ''now'' "consensus", can someone please change it back. BTW I am fine with "basin size" (anything is better than "size") though perhaps "basin area" would be even more specific. --'''[[User:Jakec|Jakob]] ([[user talk:Jakec|talk]]) ''' <small><small>aka Jakec</small></small> 23:50, 3 June 2016 (UTC)
::I've went ahead and changed it to "basin size" (as the parameter is also called that). Thanks, [[User:Rehman|<span style="font-variant:small-caps; font-weight:bold; color:darkblue">Reh</span>]][[User talk:Rehman|<span style="color:green">man</span>]] 00:04, 4 June 2016 (UTC)

== Cities as "basin cities" vs "cities through which the river flows" ==

I'm curious why the only available "_cities" field is not simply used to list cities through which the river flows, instead of cities in its drainage basin. [[Pittsburgh]] and [[Denver]] are both in the [[Mississippi River]] basin but are far away from the Mississippi River. The "basin_cities" field would appear to encourage their inclusion in a Mississippi River infobox, but I don't think many editors/readers would find it desirable to include them. Would it be possible to "liberate" the "basin_cities" field from its connection to the river basin? Or, alternatively, to have an additional "cities" field that would be intended to accommodate only cities situated ''along'' the river? --[[User:TimK MSI|TimK MSI]] ([[User talk:TimK MSI|talk]]) 12:57, 2 June 2016 (UTC)

:Hey there. I agree with what you said, including in the section immediately above. Lets wait a bit longer till the current bot maintenance is complete, before we go deeper into editing. If you're wondering, the current task is just a maintenance task to neaten out existing parameters in articles already using Infobox River. Cheers, [[User:Rehman|<span style="font-variant:small-caps; font-weight:bold; color:darkblue">Reh</span>]][[User talk:Rehman|<span style="color:green">man</span>]] 13:49, 2 June 2016 (UTC)
:@[[User:TimK MSI|TimK MSI]], I went ahead and did the change as it doesn't really impact the current bot task. We now have a new <code>cities</code> field, which is for cities along the river. Cheers, [[User:Rehman|<span style="font-variant:small-caps; font-weight:bold; color:darkblue">Reh</span>]][[User talk:Rehman|<span style="color:green">man</span>]] 13:39, 4 June 2016 (UTC)
::Thanks --[[User:TimK MSI|TimK MSI]] ([[User talk:TimK MSI|talk]]) 11:12, 7 June 2016 (UTC)
:Rivers also flow through towns and other settlements, again this is where the adaptability of the Geobox is useful. I have altered the cities parameter for the Penk example to show three towns, without the need for a separate parameter...[[User:Jokulhlaup|Jokulhlaup]] ([[User talk:Jokulhlaup|talk]]) 10:46, 7 June 2016 (UTC)
::Could we bring over the method used at [[Template:Infobox settlement]]? This uses fields named ''subdivision_type, subdivision_name, subdivision_type1, subdivision_name1,'' etc., up to ''subdivision_type6, subdivision_name6.'' This would allow editors to specify whichever political jurisdictions are appropriate to a given article (countries, provinces, states, counties, cities, towns, municipalities, townships, etc.) This solves the plural/singular problem as well, because the plural/singular form is set case-by-case in the ''subdivision_type*'' fields. --[[User:TimK MSI|TimK MSI]] ([[User talk:TimK MSI|talk]]) 11:12, 7 June 2016 (UTC)
:::Yes this is a better way to go. @[[User:Frietjes|Frietjes]], may I trouble you for some help to add this support? I tried adding it, but I can't get it to work properly... Thanks in advance! [[User:Rehman|<span style="font-variant:small-caps; font-weight:bold; color:darkblue">Reh</span>]][[User talk:Rehman|<span style="color:green">man</span>]] 08:08, 6 August 2016 (UTC)
::::{{U|Rehman}}, added.  the use of {{para|subdivision_type1}} sets the label and allows for use of {{para|subdivision_name1}}.  if {{para|subdivision_type1}} is not specified, then {{para|subdivision_name1}} is ignored, and the value set by {{para|country}} is used instead.  similar for {{para|subdivision_type2}}/{{para|subdivision_name2}}/{{para|states}} and {{para|subdivision_type3}}/{{para|subdivision_name3}}/{{para|cities}}. [[User:Frietjes|Frietjes]] ([[User talk:Frietjes|talk]]) 12:49, 6 August 2016 (UTC)
:::::Many thanks, [[User:Frietjes|Frietjes]]! @[[User:TimK MSI|TimK MSI]], FYI. :-) [[User:Rehman|<span style="font-variant:small-caps; font-weight:bold; color:darkblue">Reh</span>]][[User talk:Rehman|<span style="color:green">man</span>]] 16:54, 6 August 2016 (UTC)

== location ==
What is the new paramenter replacing ''location'' that is found in quite a number of infobox uses? [[User:Agathoclea|Agathoclea]] ([[User talk:Agathoclea|talk]]) 19:42, 22 September 2016 (UTC)
:Hi. Any one of the below groups (depending on if any is used):
<pre style="overflow: auto">
| subdivision_type1  = 
| subdivision_name1  = 
| subdivision_type2  = 
| subdivision_name2  = 
| subdivision_type3  = 
| subdivision_name3  = 
</pre>
:--[[User:Rehman|<span style="font-variant:small-caps; font-weight:bold; color:darkblue">Reh</span>]][[User talk:Rehman|<span style="color:green">man</span>]] 23:31, 22 September 2016 (UTC)

==Issue with only allowing one set of 'primary tag' co-ordinates per page ==
{{Strikediv|1=I've been working on [[Niemica (river)]], but after having put the co-ordinates of both the source and the mouth in the infobox (which I did later change to a geobox, but that had no effect on the issue), but Wikipedia is now giving me a message, in read, that: <nowiki>{{#coordinates:}}</nowiki>: cannot have more than one primary tag per page<p>I'm finding this impossible to solve, as a new user, even though other pages with this infobox seem to be working fine. I'd like the co-ordinates of the mouth to appear in the top corner, but with no error message. Any help would be greatly appreciated.[[User:N Oneemuss|N Oneemuss]] ([[User talk:N Oneemuss|talk]]) 20:26, 25 October 2016 (UTC)</p>}}

:Fixed; please ignore (sorry for the inconvenience)[[User:N Oneemuss|N Oneemuss]] ([[User talk:N Oneemuss|talk]]) 20:49, 25 October 2016 (UTC)

==Citing sources for coordinates in infobox==
In this [[User:TimK MSI/Sandbox/Misteguay Creek infobox|sandbox text page]], I attempted to cite my sources for two sets of geographic coordinates (as I've done in the [[Misteguay Creek|live geobox version of the same article]]). I can't figure out how to do it without breaking the template. Geographic coordinates are often entered only in the infobox (since they are not comfortably readable in the prose of an article), so I think it's important to have the ability to cite a source for them in the infobox. Can this be done? Thanks--[[User:TimK MSI|TimK MSI]] ([[User talk:TimK MSI|talk]]) 18:03, 2 October 2016 (UTC)
::{{Resolved|Another editor solved the problem by moving the citations to "source1_coord_ref" and "mouth_coord_ref" fields.}} --[[User:TimK MSI|TimK MSI]] ([[User talk:TimK MSI|talk]]) 17:27, 13 November 2016 (UTC)

== Location map ==

I imported the location map feature from {{tl|infobox settlement}}, so [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Javaés_River&action=historysubmit&type=revision&diff=756618379&oldid=756617314 this works].  this should help simplify the maps that [[User:Aymatth2|Aymatth2]] has been adding to river articles.  please let me know if there are any problems. [[User:Frietjes|Frietjes]] ([[User talk:Frietjes|talk]]) 16:19, 25 December 2016 (UTC)

:That is a big improvement. Even with a basic stub like [[Vermelho River (São Lourenço River)]] we should at least know the mouth coordinates. A map makes the stub much more informative, and <code>|pushpin_map= ... |mouth_coordinates= {{coord ... </code> parameters make the river template more like other location-type templates. [[User:Aymatth2|Aymatth2]] ([[User talk:Aymatth2|talk]]) 20:03, 25 December 2016 (UTC)

== Format for specifying coordinates ==

See [[Wikipedia:Village_pump_(proposals)#RfC:_Deprecate_named_coordinates-related_infobox_parameters|this RFC]].  basically, there is now a LUA module which can take a {{tlx|coord|XX|YY|ZZ|NS|AA|BB|CC|DD|EW}} as input and return the latitude and longitude from inside the template.  since this is more compact than the method used by this template, the RFC proposes using this more compact method and deprecating the less compact form. [[User:Frietjes|Frietjes]] ([[User talk:Frietjes|talk]]) 12:12, 13 August 2016 (UTC)

:What was the outcome of the RfC? [[User:Agathoclea|Agathoclea]] ([[User talk:Agathoclea|talk]]) 19:42, 22 September 2016 (UTC)

:@[[User:Frietjes|Frietjes]]: I personally don't see any negative impact of using the compact form on this template... If that method is the new norm, would you be able to show the way forward from here? Is it as simple as a bot updating the instances in the articles? And if so, will we be able to simply insert a {{tl|Coord}} into a simple parameter like <code>|coordinates=</code>? Sorry for the dumb question, I'm not too familiar with the way the coord template works... Cheers, [[User:Rehman|<span style="font-variant:small-caps; font-weight:bold; color:darkblue">Reh</span>]][[User talk:Rehman|<span style="color:green">man</span>]] 01:50, 4 December 2016 (UTC)
::The outcome of the RFC was to replace all individual coordinate parameters with <code>coordinates = {{tl|coord|...}}</code>. A bot can do the work for all or most infoboxes that use coordinates. See [[Wikipedia:Coordinates in infoboxes]], which may look daunting, but you don't have to make the changes yourself. We will get to each infobox in due time. – [[User:Jonesey95|Jonesey95]] ([[User talk:Jonesey95|talk]]) 06:36, 5 December 2016 (UTC)
:::{{U|Rehman}} and {{U|Jonesey95}}, I have added alternative syntax, [[:Category:Pages using infobox river with deprecated coordinates parameters]] for tracking, and updated the documentation.  I decided to use a separate tracking category since the <code>mouth_</code>, <code>source1_</code> syntax here is a bit different from the other infoboxes, and we may be able to get {{U|Plastikspork}} to help.  I am sure he is going to be please since he just performed the opposite transformation for us a few months ago. [[User:Frietjes|Frietjes]] ([[User talk:Frietjes|talk]]) 15:08, 8 December 2016 (UTC)
::::Thanks [[User:Frietjes|Frietjes]], that's great. Do you think we can do the syntax update along with [[Wikipedia:Bots/Requests for approval/ZackBot 4|this]]? [[User:Rehman|<span style="font-variant:small-caps; font-weight:bold; color:darkblue">Reh</span>]][[User talk:Rehman|<span style="color:green">man</span>]] 15:23, 8 December 2016 (UTC)
:::::{{U|Rehman}}, if that bot can do the coordinate transformations, that would be great to combine the tasks.  otherwise, we will need a second bot run. [[User:Frietjes|Frietjes]] ([[User talk:Frietjes|talk]]) 15:26, 8 December 2016 (UTC)
:::::: it looks like these have all been fixed, so I have updated the template syntax, but temporarily kept the tracking in there in case any new ones pop up.  I have also added some checking for parameters without units in [[:Category:Pages using infobox river without units]] after spotting a few problematic articles.  for the elevation it's particularly bad since there is no label associated with the number either, so you just get a floating number with no context. [[User:Frietjes|Frietjes]] ([[User talk:Frietjes|talk]]) 15:12, 27 December 2016 (UTC)

== Organization suggestions ==

I think of a river's source and mouth as being characteristics of the ''river'' rather than the basin -- particularly in cases in which a river's source is expressed in the infobox as the confluence of two smaller streams. I think these changes would make sense:
*Move the "main source" and "river mouth" fields to the top of the "physical characteristics" section
*Move the "physical characteristics" section ahead of the "basin" section
*Rename "main source" to "source" and "river mouth" to "mouth." 
Agreements/disagreements? Thanks-- [[User:TimK MSI|TimK MSI]] ([[User talk:TimK MSI|talk]]) 18:46, 2 October 2016 (UTC)

:I personally like your suggestions. I'm not too sure about the last point though, as the template supports multiple sources/mouths. Cheers, [[User:Rehman|<span style="font-variant:small-caps; font-weight:bold; color:darkblue">Reh</span>]][[User talk:Rehman|<span style="color:green">man</span>]] 22:53, 11 November 2016 (UTC)

::Thanks! In the case of rivers with multiple sources that were separately specified in the infobox, would it be undesirable/confusing to have the "Main source" field read "Source" instead, given that additional sources would be specified as "2nd source," "3rd source," etc.? Looking at the [[River source#Definition|the definitions given in the "River source" article]], I think "main source" implies the "the most distant headwater source (irrespective of stream name)." In practice, we often give the source in the infobox as a confluence of other streams, or the location of the farthest headwater assigned the same name (irrespective of distance from the river mouth). I think "source" is a better label than "main source" in these latter instances.
::It's not clear to me from the documentation how one would add multiple mouths to the infobox. If it's possible to do so, I think it would be uncommon, and if it were to be labeled as a "secondary mouth" or "other mouth," I don't think it would be confusing if the current "river mouth" field were relabeled "mouth" for conciseness.
::Thanks-- [[User:TimK MSI|TimK MSI]] ([[User talk:TimK MSI|talk]]) 17:22, 13 November 2016 (UTC)

:::Sorry for the late reply, [[User:TimK MSI|TimK MSI]], RL has been quite tough for me lately. Yes, you are right, there should be no issue with your 3rd point well. I'd like to add further points as well, before we proceed with the change:
:::* <code>altitude_difference</code> is used to state the alt. diff between the source and the mouth. Since the mouth is almost always at 0m above sea level, the alt-diff is almost always equal to <code>source1_elevation</code>. Maybe we should remove this? I added this sometime back, but now I'm wondering if that was a dumb move.
:::* If the above is done, it leaves us with just five short labels under the "Basin" heading. I propose we merge that to the "Features" section below, and just label is as...well... "Basin features". Any comments? 
:::Kind regards, [[User:Rehman|<span style="font-variant:small-caps; font-weight:bold; color:darkblue">Reh</span>]][[User talk:Rehman|<span style="color:green">man</span>]] 02:07, 4 December 2016 (UTC)
::::Many rivers do not run to the sea (at least not directly) [[User:Rmhermen|Rmhermen]] ([[User talk:Rmhermen|talk]]) 06:23, 4 December 2016 (UTC)
::::Apologies again for the delay. Regarding <code>altitude_difference</code>, I agree that most rivers don't run to the sea. But I guess I don't see the value of displaying a number that results from a simple subtraction calculation of two numbers already displayed in the infobox. Are there scientific (or other) circumstances in which people would use "difference between source elevation and mouth elevation" as a meaningful data point when comparing multiple rivers to one another? I ''think'' I've seen "fall per mile" or "fall per km" used as a meaningful data point, but not a simple altitude difference. --[[User:TimK MSI|TimK MSI]] ([[User talk:TimK MSI|talk]]) 18:40, 27 December 2016 (UTC)
::::On the separate matter of groupings of fields and what they should be labeled, I think "basin features" could work as suggested by [[User:Rehman]]. But I wonder if we could somehow follow the example of [[Template:Infobox settlement]] and eliminate the named banners altogether? Could we just have logical groupings separated by lines, instead of named banners? One issue I've noticed with the existing "features" section is that it is also the location of custom fields that can be used for things like [[GNIS]] and [[Hydrological_code#United_States|HUC]] identifiers. These don't really make sense in a section labeled "features." If the sections weren't labeled, the custom fields could just be in an unnamed rectangle of their own, as they are on the settlement infobox. --[[User:TimK MSI|TimK MSI]] ([[User talk:TimK MSI|talk]]) 18:52, 27 December 2016 (UTC)
:::::{{Ping|User:Rehman}} Any thoughts on these suggestions? Thanks! --[[User:TimK MSI|TimK MSI]] ([[User talk:TimK MSI|talk]]) 12:00, 4 February 2017 (UTC)
:::::[[User:TimK MSI|TimK MSI]]: I have merged the sections for now. If I am correct, the no-header format is based on an entirely different way of writing the template. Either way, we can always do that in the days to come. For now, we have a "Basin Features" section! :) Let me know if you have any comments on the changes made. Cheers. [[User:Rehman|<span style="font-variant:small-caps; font-weight:bold; color:darkblue">Reh</span>]][[User talk:Rehman|<span style="color:green">man</span>]] 01:10, 11 February 2017 (UTC)
::::::{{Ping|User:Rehman}} Thank you! I'd still like to see the source and mouth pulled out of the "basin features" section and moved to the top of the section that contains the river length, on the grounds that these fields (source and mouth) are most applicable to the river, rather than its basin. And I'd like to see ''that'' section moved ahead of the "basin features" section -- the logic being, first we're describing the river: its jurisdictions, where it starts and ends, its length and size. Then we're describing the basin. Does that make sense?/sound good?/sound bad? --[[User:TimK MSI|TimK MSI]] ([[User talk:TimK MSI|talk]]) 13:41, 13 February 2017 (UTC)
:::::::Yes, it makes sense. Will start working on it. Cheers, [[User:Rehman|<span style="font-variant:small-caps; font-weight:bold; color:darkblue">Reh</span>]][[User talk:Rehman|<span style="color:green">man</span>]] 23:54, 13 February 2017 (UTC)

Apologies for the long delay, [[User:TimK MSI|TimK MSI]] (I forgot about it). I'll be doing this soon, as there were no objections to it. [[User:Rehman|<span style="font-variant:small-caps; font-weight:bold; color:darkblue">Reh</span>]][[User talk:Rehman|<span style="color:green">man</span>]] 02:31, 1 October 2017 (UTC)

:This is done, [[User:TimK MSI|TimK MSI]]. Is it better now? [[User:Rehman|<span style="font-variant:small-caps; font-weight:bold; color:darkblue">Reh</span>]][[User talk:Rehman|<span style="color:green">man</span>]] 22:59, 1 October 2017 (UTC)
::[[User:Rehman|Rehman]], thanks!, I'm still waiting for the changes to slowly be implemented across more articles to fully assess. But it looks like the length/source/mouth all got moved to the top section? I was thinking the change would result in a "Physical characteristics" section containing Source, Mouth, Length, Width, Depth, Discharge, in that order. (As it stands now, "Physical characteristics" has gotten pretty slim and contains mostly little-used fields, and the top section is a bit overcrowded with frequently-used fields.) I'm sorry I wasn't clearer! By using your edit as a guide I *think* I could manage to make changes to that effect, if necessary. Thanks-- [[User:TimK MSI|TimK MSI]] ([[User talk:TimK MSI|talk]]) 21:01, 2 October 2017 (UTC)
:::No worries. I went ahead and changed again. Is this better? [[User:Rehman|<span style="font-variant:small-caps; font-weight:bold; color:darkblue">Reh</span>]][[User talk:Rehman|<span style="color:green">man</span>]] 03:27, 3 October 2017 (UTC)
::::Yes, thank you! --[[User:TimK MSI|TimK MSI]] ([[User talk:TimK MSI|talk]]) 09:23, 4 October 2017 (UTC)

== Standardising on one template ==
{{tlg|Geobox|River
| name = <br/>River Penk
| other_name = &nbsp;
| category_hide = 1
| image = River Penk upstream at Penkridge - geograph.org.uk - 1443825.jpg
| image_caption = The River Penk at Penkridge, with [[Penkridge Viaduct]] in the background.
| country = England
| region_type      =County
| region           = Staffordshire   
| tributary_left = Moat Brook
| tributary_left1 = Whiston Brook
| tributary_left2 = Pothooks Brook
| tributary_left3= Rickerscote Drain
| tributary_right = Watershead Brook
| tributary_right1 = Saredon Brook
| tributary_right2 = Deepmoor Drain
| city_type=Towns
| city = Anytown1
| city1 = Anytown2
| city2 = Anytown3
| source = [[Perton]], [[South Staffordshire]]
| mouth = Confluence with the [[River Sow|Sow]]
| mouth_coordinates = {{coord|52|48|12|N|2|04|55|W}}
| length = 36
| watershed = 356
| discharge = 2.27
| discharge_location = [[Penkridge]]
| commons = River Penk
| footnotes = Progression : Penk—[[River Sow|Sow]]—[[River Trent|Trent]]—[[Humber]]—[[North Sea]]
}}
{{Infobox_river 
| name               = Penk
| image              = River Penk upstream at Penkridge - geograph.org.uk - 1443825.jpg
| image_caption      = The Penk at Penkridge, with [[Penkridge Viaduct]] in the background.
| source1_location   = [[Perton]], [[South Staffordshire]]
| mouth_location     = Confluence with the [[River Sow|Sow]]
| progression        = [[River Sow|Sow]]—[[River Trent|Trent]]—[[Humber]]—[[North Sea]]
| subdivision_type1  = Country
| subdivision_name1  = [[England]]
| subdivision_type2  = County
| subdivision_name2  = [[Staffordshire]]
| mouth_coordinates = {{coord|52|48|12|N|2|04|55|W}}
| tributaries_left   = {{allow wrap|Moat Brook, Whiston Brook, Pothooks Brook, Rickerscote Drain}}
| tributaries_right  = {{allow wrap|Watershead Brook, Saredon Brook, Deepmoor Drain}}
| length             = {{Convert|36|km|mi|abbr=on}}
| discharge1_location= [[Penkridge]]
| discharge1_avg     = {{Convert|2.27|m3/s|ft3/s|abbr=on}}
| basin_size 	     = {{Convert|356|km2|mi2|abbr=on}}
}}

Wherever possible, we should replace {{Tl|Geobox}} with a more specific template, such as this one, instead of <code><nowiki>{{tlg|Geobox|River}}</nowiki></code> (examples above; geobox first). Here's a {{Diff|River Penk|723180940|716913562|sample conversion}}. How might we speed up, or automate, this prcess? What are the barriers to doing so completeley? <span class="vcard"><span class="fn">[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]</span> (<span class="nickname">Pigsonthewing</span>); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]</span> 14:28, 1 June 2016 (UTC)
:As discussed elsewhere some time ago, there is a bot sweep currently in progress (by SporkBot) - see section above. Once that is done, it will be fairly easy to switch articles to use this template, as all the necessary fields of Geobox are now in Infobox River. Or if you like, you may wish to manually change articles for now, or request a separate bot task to change the uses of Geobox to this template. P.s. I have collapsed the infobox examples which you have provided, hope you dont mind. Regards, [[User:Rehman|<span style="font-variant:small-caps; font-weight:bold; color:darkblue">Reh</span>]][[User talk:Rehman|<span style="color:green">man</span>]] 14:47, 1 June 2016 (UTC)
::Until there is a way to present information in Infobox River in a way that is best-suited to the size and geographic extent of the river being described, I would strongly, strongly oppose a sweeping effort to switch from one infobox to another, especially an automated effort deployed just for the sake of switching, without regard for whether the change from one to the other constitutes an improvement to a given article. Looking at [[Sycamore Creek (Michigan)]], it appears to me that a switch from Geobox to Infobox River would wipe out the state, county, municipality, and township fields. It would also, illogically for a stream that flows through one U.S. state only, present to the reader first the location of the source (someplace in Michigan), then the location of the mouth (someplace in Michigan), and only THEN tell the reader that the stream's watershed is in the United States. Presenting "basin countries" AFTER the source and mouth information might make sense for large multi-country rivers, but most rivers aren't large. And the infobox's political jurisdiction options won't currently accommodate whichever levels of jurisdiction are most relevant to the size and geographical extent of the river being described, as the Geobox does. I think improvement of the information being communicated in an article ought to be the primary consideration when deciding, on a case-by-case basis, to switch from one infobox to another, and I don't think a switch to Infobox River in its current form would improve the [[Sycamore Creek (Michigan)]] article. In this case and many others, I think such a change would reduce the quality of the information provided to the reader. --[[User:TimK MSI|TimK MSI]] ([[User talk:TimK MSI|talk]]) 02:11, 2 June 2016 (UTC)
:::{{Ping|TimK MSI}} In his reply above, [[User:Rehman]] says {{tq|"all the necessary fields of Geobox are now in Infobox River"}}. Are you saying that that is not the case? Otherwise, what changes would you say are needed to this template, to satisfy your concern? <span class="vcard"><span class="fn">[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]</span> (<span class="nickname">Pigsonthewing</span>); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]</span> 11:12, 2 June 2016 (UTC)
::::Yes, I'm saying that all the necessary fields of Geobox are ''not'' in Infobox River, and I pointed to several examples above as a start. I'll also point out that in the River Penk example shown, the "Counties" field was stripped out in the change to Infobox River. --[[User:TimK MSI|TimK MSI]] ([[User talk:TimK MSI|talk]]) 12:39, 2 June 2016 (UTC)
:::Strongly agree with TimK, a mass change from Infobox to Geobox is not supported by [[WP:INFOBOXUSE]]. The Geobox has the advantage of inbuilt conversions, and a degree of adaptability, note how Staffordshire appears as a County in the Geobox  (adapted from region), and can’t be included in the Infobox at all. In the example given, it looks better as a Geobox, maybe we should convert the Infoboxes instead...[[User:Jokulhlaup|Jokulhlaup]] ([[User talk:Jokulhlaup|talk]]) 14:05, 2 June 2016 (UTC)
::::I think the Geobox version looks bloody awful. But neither view is grounds for a separate template. We should standardise on one, and reach consensus as to what features, and style it should use. If your arguments are persuasive, then the end result will be more articles using your preferences! <span class="vcard"><span class="fn">[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]</span> (<span class="nickname">Pigsonthewing</span>); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]</span> 17:52, 6 June 2016 (UTC)
:::::Completely agree. Lets have a proper discussion/vote as soon as the current tasks are complete. [[User:Rehman|<span style="font-variant:small-caps; font-weight:bold; color:darkblue">Reh</span>]][[User talk:Rehman|<span style="color:green">man</span>]] 23:38, 6 June 2016 (UTC)
:Hi all. Together with the concern raised in the section immediately below, I went ahead and did the necessary corrections (as it doesn't impact the current ongoing bot task). The countries field at the bottom, and other key parameters not being where it should be was something that I overlooked when doing the template cleanup. Hope things are better now? Cheers, [[User:Rehman|<span style="font-variant:small-caps; font-weight:bold; color:darkblue">Reh</span>]][[User talk:Rehman|<span style="color:green">man</span>]] 13:45, 4 June 2016 (UTC)
::{{Ping|TimK MSI}} Are you now satisfied that {{tq|"all the necessary fields of Geobox are now in Infobox River"}}? <span class="vcard"><span class="fn">[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]</span> (<span class="nickname">Pigsonthewing</span>); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]</span> 20:05, 22 September 2016 (UTC)
:::Thanks for asking, I'm away from my computer for a few days but I will investigate next week.--[[User:TimK MSI|TimK MSI]] ([[User talk:TimK MSI|talk]]) 12:11, 23 September 2016 (UTC)
::::Hi [[User:TimK MSI|TimK MSI]]. Just pinging you in case you find time to go through this again. :-) [[User:Rehman|<span style="font-variant:small-caps; font-weight:bold; color:darkblue">Reh</span>]][[User talk:Rehman|<span style="color:green">man</span>]] 01:41, 4 December 2016 (UTC)
:::::It appears that [[User:TimK MSI]], who has edited on five separate days (UTC) since your ping (and on around 30 days, since their last post here), has lost interest. I suggest we proceed. <span class="vcard"><span class="fn">[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]</span> (<span class="nickname">Pigsonthewing</span>); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]</span> 17:34, 27 December 2016 (UTC)
::::::I haven't lost interest, I've been busy with other matters, sorry. One issue that remains is that the infobox lacks  The geobox expresses the place names and landform names for the source and mouth in multiple fields for both source and mouth, whereas the infobox crams all of this into one field each for source and mouth. (This is something that would need to be handled carefully in any programmatic transfer of data from geobox to infobox.) I think at a minimum, something like <code>source_landform</code> and <code>mouth_waterbody</code> fields should be added to the infobox, to allow editors to express things like mountain ranges and seas separately from political jurisdictions. (I know not all rivers end in a body of water, but I don't think it would be problematic to enter, say, a desert name in a <code>mouth_waterbody</code> field when necessary; alternatively the field could have a name like <code>mouth_landform</code>.) --[[User:TimK MSI|TimK MSI]] ([[User talk:TimK MSI|talk]]) 18:27, 27 December 2016 (UTC)
:::::::{{Ping|User:Rehman}} Is there any progress in addressing TimK MSI concerns? [[User:Keith D|Keith D]] ([[User talk:Keith D|talk]]) 01:08, 4 February 2017 (UTC)

Hey [[User:Keith D|Keith]]. It's been a very tough start of 2017 for me in RL, hence I apologise for loosing track of most things that were ongoing here. May I ask which points you're referring to in particular? I believe all earlier concerns were already sorted. As for the last paragraph by TimK, I believe such uses [[Template:Infobox_river#Example|fits in the current template]]? Please correct me if I'm wrong [[User:TimK MSI|TimK MSI]]. Cheers, [[User:Rehman|<span style="font-variant:small-caps; font-weight:bold; color:darkblue">Reh</span>]][[User talk:Rehman|<span style="color:green">man</span>]] 07:59, 4 February 2017 (UTC)
::Thanks for reply, I was just looking at the last post by TimK MSI on 27 December 2016 that raised some concerns about missing "a dedicated field to accommodate the landforms and waterbodies at the source and the mouth." [[User:Keith D|Keith D]] ([[User talk:Keith D|talk]]) 11:44, 4 February 2017 (UTC)
:::Yes, that was my concern. There is currently a single field each for source and mouth to accommodate very different data points-- political jurisdiction and landform/waterbody. The Geobox allows these to be split between separate fields (two for source and two for mouth, vs. the infobox having one for each -- the [[Mississippi River]] geobox illustrates this). I also think there could be some adjustments to the organization of information in the infobox (in the "organization suggestions" discussion below). Thanks--[[User:TimK MSI|TimK MSI]] ([[User talk:TimK MSI|talk]]) 12:01, 4 February 2017 (UTC)
::::@[[User:TimK MSI|TimK MSI]]. I went ahead and added it. Is it better? [[User:Rehman|<span style="font-variant:small-caps; font-weight:bold; color:darkblue">Reh</span>]][[User talk:Rehman|<span style="color:green">man</span>]] 01:07, 11 February 2017 (UTC)
:::::@[[User:Rehman|Rehman]] -- yes. Thank you! --[[User:TimK MSI|TimK MSI]] ([[User talk:TimK MSI|talk]]) 13:43, 13 February 2017 (UTC)

Hello [[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy]], [[User:TimK MSI|Tim]], and [[User:Keith D|Keith]]. Do you believe everything is now in order, to deprecate the Geobox? [[User:Rehman|<span style="font-variant:small-caps; font-weight:bold; color:darkblue">Reh</span>]][[User talk:Rehman|<span style="color:green">man</span>]] 02:17, 1 October 2017 (UTC)

:Works for me. <span class="vcard"><span class="fn">[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]</span> (<span class="nickname">Pigsonthewing</span>); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]</span> 09:56, 1 October 2017 (UTC)
::Go for it. [[User:Keith D|Keith D]] ([[User talk:Keith D|talk]]) 19:03, 1 October 2017 (UTC)
:::It's fine with me, though first I think it would be good to fully implement the [[Template talk:Infobox river#Oraganization suggestions|organization suggestions]] below. [[User:Rehman|Rehman]] reports in that section that it should be soon. --[[User:TimK MSI|TimK MSI]] ([[User talk:TimK MSI|talk]]) 22:01, 1 October 2017 (UTC)
::::That is resolved (commenting here too, in case this section is archived). There are approximately '''[[:Category:Geobox usage tracking for river type|15,600 articles]]''' that uses Geobox River template at the moment. I'm not too sure if it make sense to do such a large sweep. But then again, it is always better to get things done now, rather than later. Suggestions open... [[User:Rehman|<span style="font-variant:small-caps; font-weight:bold; color:darkblue">Reh</span>]][[User talk:Rehman|<span style="color:green">man</span>]] 09:30, 7 October 2017 (UTC)
:::::Whichever way it is done it needs a list of Geobox field against Infobox field names to enable the transformation to be done. I guess that a BOT would be best for that many articles as it would take a long time to manually convert them over. [[User:Keith D|Keith D]] ([[User talk:Keith D|talk]]) 20:30, 8 October 2017 (UTC)
::::::I have raised an [[Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Rivers#Request_for_comments_on_the_Geobox.2FInfobox_river_templates|RfC]] at the Rivers WikiProject to help find a consensus on this course of action...[[User:Jokulhlaup|Jokulhlaup]] ([[User talk:Jokulhlaup|talk]]) 17:26, 22 October 2017 (UTC)

== Lots of rivers with images on Wikidata, but not in the infobox ==
{{Archive top|result=I've went ahead and added Wikidata support for images, as there is no negative impact to this. If local image parameter is used, the local image is given priority. [[User:Rehman|<span style="font-variant:small-caps; font-weight:bold; color:darkblue">Reh</span>]][[User talk:Rehman|<span style="color:green">man</span>]] 14:50, 1 March 2018 (UTC)}}
Hey all. I wanted to suggest that for at least the images in the infobox, that they should default to Wikidata described images, unless a locally designated image is superceded in the template. There are a lot of Rivers in the category [[:Category:No_local_image_but_image_on_Wikidata]], many of which are in non-English dominate countries -- so its likely a case, where the image has been updated by someone locally familiar with the item on Wikidata, or who has updated their local-language Wikipedia, but hasn't updated English. {{tl|Infobox_telescope}} and a number of infoboxes draw on Wikidata either in part or in whole. I am not suggesting that we should overhaul the whole template (I am not very familiar with the quality of the data elsewhere in Wikidata for rivers, and assume that for right now its better to keep it referenced and updated here), but rather just the images and/or the Commons Categories. [[User:Sadads|Sadads]] ([[User talk:Sadads|talk]]) 03:27, 19 May 2017 (UTC)
* '''Support''' - no harm in piping images. -- Pankaj Jain ''[[User:Capankajsmilyo|Capankajsmilyo]] <span class="plainlinks">([[User talk:Capankajsmilyo|talk]] '''·''' [[Special:Contribs/Capankajsmilyo|contribs]] '''·''' [//tools.wmflabs.org/xtools-ec/?user=Capankajsmilyo&project=en.wikipedia.org count])</span>'' 03:30, 19 May 2017 (UTC)
* '''Oppose''' - there can be lots of harm in piping to an obscure, off-site, and possibly underwatched depository. Taking Rhine for an example, at one point a bot decided that the best defining image of the Rhine River was a German-language map. After a number of months a person changed the map to a map parameter and a few days later another person decided that a panorama (which cut off the river in the center of the image) was "the best". Neither of those would be appropriate to use in the infobox of our English-language Wikipedia. And if I notice the image is wrong in our article, I can't click edit and change it. I have to notice a separate "edit at Wikidata" line in the infobox and go to that website to make the change - and hope that no other language community disagrees with my change. How Wikidata's policy handles different language wikis conflicting local policies and rules I don't know. [[User:Rmhermen|Rmhermen]] ([[User talk:Rmhermen|talk]]) 04:50, 19 May 2017 (UTC)
*:{{Ping|Rmherman}} I have been editing Wikidata off and on for the past year or so: in my experience the ratio of image errors is about as high as our existing pages on EnWiki. What I am suggesting is adding images if and only if we don't have an image identified on EnWiki's infobox already. We can include a variable which turns off the Wikidata usage (as [[tl|Infobox telescope}} does). Wikidata ([https://stats.wikimedia.org/wikispecial/EN/TablesWikipediaWIKIDATA.htm see the stats]) has a similar size community to Commons (see [https://stats.wikimedia.org/wikispecial/EN/TablesWikipediaCOMMONS.htm the stats]), yet we are trusting the Commons community to review and ensure that the copyright and description of media files is accurate. I am not sure that we can describe it as "obscure" or "underwatched". By placing very clear documentation for the template, this could be a good light-weight way for more folks to gain experience from Wikidata (and if we find errors, we help fix them for smaller Wikipedia's with less ability to patrol/curate their content). [[User:Sadads|Sadads]] ([[User talk:Sadads|talk]]) 13:37, 19 May 2017 (UTC)
* '''Support''' per nom, and Sadads comment. [[User:Rehman|<span style="font-variant:small-caps; font-weight:bold; color:darkblue">Reh</span>]][[User talk:Rehman|<span style="color:green">man</span>]] 02:35, 1 October 2017 (UTC)
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== Removal of etymology parameter ==
During the cleanup processes a few years back, I've mentioned that we should remove the <code>etymology</code> parameter as it [[Help:Infobox#What_should_an_infobox_not_contain?|does not belong in an infobox]]. There wasn't a clear response to that back then due to the number of other simultaneous ongoing tasks. Now that nearly all of the pending tasks are complete, I would like to propose the removal of the above parameter based on the below reasons:
# Lengthy texts [[Help:Infobox#What_should_an_infobox_not_contain?|does not belong in an infobox]]
# <s>Data in the parameter cannot be standardised, and hence cannot be integrated with Wikidata</s>

If there are no clear objections, I will go ahead with the removal in about a week, while ensuring that the data in the parameter is transferred to the article body (if not already there). Thank you. [[User:Rehman|<span style="font-variant:small-caps; font-weight:bold; color:darkblue">Reh</span>]][[User talk:Rehman|<span style="color:green">man</span>]] 15:06, 1 March 2018 (UTC)

'''Update''': Surprisingly, it seems like the parameter [[:Category:Pages using infobox river with "etymology" parameter|is not in use]] at the moment. (Hence for neatness purposes, I've changed the parameter name from <code>etymology</code> to <code>name_etymology</code> to sync with the name prefixes). [[User:Rehman|<span style="font-variant:small-caps; font-weight:bold; color:darkblue">Reh</span>]][[User talk:Rehman|<span style="color:green">man</span>]] 14:42, 2 March 2018 (UTC)

: {{ping|Rehman}} How many articles are using it?  I see that this parameter is in [[Template:Infobox settlement]], and is included even in the "short version" cut-and-paste, so it would see that it was deemed important for settlements.  I'm not sure that it should be remove from this template.  Thanks! [[User:Plastikspork|Plastikspork]] [[User talk:Plastikspork|<sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ</sub><sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk)</sup>]] 23:39, 1 March 2018 (UTC)
: And, there is an etymology parameter in Wikidata, see "Property:P138".  Thanks! [[User:Plastikspork|Plastikspork]] [[User talk:Plastikspork|<sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ</sub><sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk)</sup>]] 00:34, 2 March 2018 (UTC)

::Thank you for the info, [[User:Plastikspork|Plastikspork]]. I didn't know that. I've struck off my #2 point above, but I personally still support removing it from the infobox river per [[H:IB]]. Maybe we could loosely limit the number of characters allowed in the infobox (since wikidata supports it), but that's up to the community. 
::@[[User:Pigsonthewing]]: I recall you objecting to the removal before. Just pinging you here as courtesy, if you're still in view that this shouldn't be removed. Best regards, [[User:Rehman|<span style="font-variant:small-caps; font-weight:bold; color:darkblue">Reh</span>]][[User talk:Rehman|<span style="color:green">man</span>]] 04:15, 2 March 2018 (UTC)
:::Thank you. I remain '''opposed''' to removal of this property. As to the two numbered reasons given above, "lengthy texts" should be copy edited, but are not a reason not to have a parameter; and Wikidata already has a property, as noted by Plastikspork. <span class="vcard"><span class="fn">[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]</span> (<span class="nickname">Pigsonthewing</span>); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]</span> 11:10, 2 March 2018 (UTC)

: Since the parameter isn't presently being used (and it's therefore easy to rename it), I think it might be desirable to rename it "named_after" (with the label "Named after") to match the [https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Property:P138 relevant Wikidata item] mentioned above. Compared to "etymology", it seems like "named_after" might reduce editors' temptation to hold forth with lengthy explanations in the infobox, by making clearer that it's intended for straightforward cases such as "named_after=[[DeWitt Clinton]]" for [[Clinton River (Michigan)]]. Thanks--[[User:TimK MSI|TimK MSI]] ([[User talk:TimK MSI|talk]]) 15:27, 2 March 2018 (UTC)

:: If we do keep it (which seems like the case), I support retaining the word "etymology" since it is used in other infoboxes too (per Plastikspork above). I've added "name_" as prefix only to [[Template:Infobox_river#Usage|match the prefixes of the previous parameters]], as they are related. P.s. Contrary to my "update" above, there were a small number of articles that did use the parameter. Seems like the category took some time to populate. [[User:Rehman|<span style="font-variant:small-caps; font-weight:bold; color:darkblue">Reh</span>]][[User talk:Rehman|<span style="color:green">man</span>]] 01:16, 3 March 2018 (UTC)

== Deprecation of basin_countries ==
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I am looking at cleaning up this infobox. I was going to replace instances of {{param|basin_countries}} with {{param|subdivision_name1}}. The param is deprecated and tracked with [[:Category:Pages using infobox river with "basin countries" parameter]]. Just wanted to make sure there were no objections. Any thoughts, including statements of support? --[[User:Zackmann08|<span style="color:DarkTurquoise;">Zackmann08</span>]] (<sup>[[User_talk:Zackmann08|Talk to me]]</sup>/<sub>[[Special:Contributions/Zackmann08|<span style="color:orange;">What I been doing</span>]]</sub>) 03:47, 4 December 2016 (UTC)

:For anyone interested, the related bot request is at [[Wikipedia:Bots/Requests for approval/ZackBot 4]]. [[User:Rehman|<span style="font-variant:small-caps; font-weight:bold; color:darkblue">Reh</span>]][[User talk:Rehman|<span style="color:green">man</span>]] 06:44, 4 December 2016 (UTC)
::{{ping| JJMC89| Jonesey95| Frietjes| TimK MSI| Rehman| Jakec| Tagishsimon| Plastikspork| Mr. Stradivarius| Pigsonthewing}} You've all contributed to this template. Would love some input. The [[WP:BRFA]] has stalled because while this parameter has been deprecated, there has not been a clear discussion reaching a consensus to replace {{param|basin_countries}} with {{param|subdivision_name1}}. --[[User:Zackmann08|<span style="color:DarkTurquoise;">Zackmann08</span>]] (<sup>[[User_talk:Zackmann08|Talk to me]]</sup>/<sub>[[Special:Contributions/Zackmann08|<span style="color:orange;">What I been doing</span>]]</sub>) 16:54, 22 December 2016 (UTC)
::*'''Support''', as stated on the BRFA earlier. [[User:Rehman|<span style="font-variant:small-caps; font-weight:bold; color:darkblue">Reh</span>]][[User talk:Rehman|<span style="color:green">man</span>]] 23:24, 22 December 2016 (UTC)
::*'''No opinion'''. – [[User:Jonesey95|Jonesey95]] ([[User talk:Jonesey95|talk]]) 16:40, 23 December 2016 (UTC)
::* '''No comment''' – I only edited the template as part of my work on [[WP:Coordinates in infoboxes|migrating infobox coordinates]]. —&thinsp;[[User:JJMC89|JJMC89]]&thinsp;<small>([[User talk:JJMC89|T]]'''·'''[[Special:Contributions/JJMC89|C]])</small> 17:49, 23 December 2016 (UTC)
::* '''Support''' the replacement. Thanks --[[User:TimK MSI|TimK MSI]] ([[User talk:TimK MSI|talk]]) 23:17, 24 December 2016 (UTC)
::* '''no opinion''', but it would seem as though we already have a bot approved for this task [[Wikipedia:Bots/Requests_for_approval/SporkBot_7|here]], so we could have [[User:Plastikspork|Plastikspork]] do it, if he is available. [[User:Frietjes|Frietjes]] ([[User talk:Frietjes|talk]]) 15:43, 25 December 2016 (UTC)
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{{user|Plastikspork}} is this something that you could do? It appears to have been hanging around since January. [[User:Keith D|Keith D]] ([[User talk:Keith D|talk]]) 21:25, 30 September 2017 (UTC)

:Ping [[User:Plastikspork|Plastikspork]] (and [[User:Keith D|Keith D]]). [[User:Rehman|<span style="font-variant:small-caps; font-weight:bold; color:darkblue">Reh</span>]][[User talk:Rehman|<span style="color:green">man</span>]] 14:53, 1 March 2018 (UTC)

::This was completed by SporkBot a few days ago. Updating for records. [[User:Rehman|<span style="font-variant:small-caps; font-weight:bold; color:darkblue">Reh</span>]][[User talk:Rehman|<span style="color:green">man</span>]] 03:44, 9 March 2018 (UTC)

== Wikidata images ==

{{u|Rehman}}, it looks like you changed the template to automatically load an image from Wikidata. When this happens, because there is no value in the {{para|image}} and there is an image at Wikidata, the article is still flagged in [[:Category:No local image but image on Wikidata]]. I believe this is an unintended interaction and should be updated. With your change, it should no longer be possible for the article to have a Wikidata image that is not in the article, so the [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template%3AInfobox_river&type=revision&diff=774094739&oldid=765263357 check] can probably be removed now. [[User:MB|<b style="color:#00FF00">MB</b>]] 13:58, 26 March 2018 (UTC)

{{u|Rehman}}, no response, trying another ping. [[User:MB|<b style="color:#00FF00">MB</b>]] 14:38, 4 April 2018 (UTC)

:Hi {{u|MB}}. Thanks for the ping, and my apologies for missing the earlier one. Let me look into it and update here again. Cheers, [[User:Rehman|<span style="font-variant:small-caps; font-weight:bold; color:darkblue">Reh</span>]][[User talk:Rehman|<span style="color:green">man</span>]] 14:59, 4 April 2018 (UTC)
:Hi again. I've removed that. Is that what you wanted? Kind regards, [[User:Rehman|<span style="font-variant:small-caps; font-weight:bold; color:darkblue">Reh</span>]][[User talk:Rehman|<span style="color:green">man</span>]] 15:39, 4 April 2018 (UTC)

::{{u|Rehman}}, yes that does it. The category dropped by about 2k today, so it looks like there were that many rivers that are using Wikidata photos. I have no idea if most of those are good photos for the infobox. I have been working on manually adding Wikidata photos of people to articles and find a lot of the photos Wikidata has associated with people are not "portraits" suitable for the infobox. Sometimes they are things made by the person (books, a painting, a buildings), their graves, shots of a whole team where you can't even see their face, etc. But those things are probably less likely with rivers. [[User:MB|<b style="color:#00FF00">MB</b>]] 19:57, 4 April 2018 (UTC)

:::Great! Thanks for bringing this up, {{u|MB}}. Happy editing! [[User:Rehman|<span style="font-variant:small-caps; font-weight:bold; color:darkblue">Reh</span>]][[User talk:Rehman|<span style="color:green">man</span>]] 02:11, 5 April 2018 (UTC)

== [[Wikipedia:Wikidata/2018 Infobox RfC]] ==

Hi. Your opinion at the above RFC is deeply valued. The RFC decides if Wikipedia would support data from Wikidata for use in infoboxes ([[South Pole Telescope|Example]] - notice the infobox in edit mode). Thank you, [[User:Rehman|<span style="font-variant:small-caps; font-weight:bold; color:darkblue">Reh</span>]][[User talk:Rehman|<span style="color:green">man</span>]] 17:29, 11 April 2018 (UTC)

== Minimum / Maximum discharge: average vs. absolute? ==

I'm creating a page from the German Wikipedia that lists a lot of different figures for discharge. Specifically, they list the average of the minimum flows from year to year, vs. the lowest flow that has ever been recorded. 

Does discharge1_min refer to the "lowest recorded flow (with date)" or the "arithmetic mean of the lowest flows experienced over a series of years"? I'd like to update the documentation accordingly. Germans enjoy precision.-<b style="background:#00ffff">''[[User:Ich|Ich]]''</b>&nbsp;<span style="font-size: 87%">([[User talk:Ich|talk]])</span> 17:58, 11 May 2018 (UTC)

== short description ==
{{ping|Sadads}} is it? I checked quite a few pages that used {{tlx|Infobox river}}, and I couldn't find any that would be problematic [[User:Galobtter|Galobtter]] ([[User talk:Galobtter|pingó mió]]) 14:50, 24 May 2018 (UTC)
:The subdivision property alone is super inconsistent: take for example, even, in the documentation: you would create a set of text with several random links, only separated by commas after the "River" -- it doesn't make sense to humans. Now multiply this by several dozen different potential political divisions and formats for documenting them in the template. Moreover, there is no consensus on this template that there are significant enough problems in the Wikidata descriptions, to need to substitute: spot checking, I would much rather have the syntax and precision possible with Wikidata descriptions, which can be updated easier. Similar problem [[Shatt_al-Arab]], or [[Schunter]], where you would be brute forcing something that needs more nuance. [[User:Sadads|Sadads]] ([[User talk:Sadads|talk]]) 01:28, 25 May 2018 (UTC)
::There is a [[Wikipedia:Village_pump_(proposals)/Archive_145#RfC:_Populating_article_descriptions_magic_word|consensus to use local short descriptions everywhere]]; in this case, if needed, the short descriptions can be imported in the text instead, as {{t|Short description}}, so the same control as with wikidata descriptions can be done; however I'd think it better to have the information from the infobox, and add information as necessary there, gaining that (in the case of Schunter etc, IMO it'd be better to add the data that it is in Lower Saxony in the infobox, and gain there). Though then we should do that first, I suppose [[User:Galobtter|Galobtter]] ([[User talk:Galobtter|pingó mió]]) 06:07, 25 May 2018 (UTC)
:::I'm sorry but that discussion (<20 people) does not represent a global consensus -- every well structured discussion about Wikidata to date has included many more people (i.e.[[Wikipedia:Wikidata/2018 Infobox RfC]]). Making changes to every page en-mass, based on that few people in a discussion is bogus. We need to discuss the application of this "Magic Word" or whatever it is, page by page or subject area by subject area with the local community. [[User:Sadads|Sadads]] ([[User talk:Sadads|talk]]) 13:26, 25 May 2018 (UTC)
::::Not really, if you want to contest the result you're free to start another RfC, but until then the presumption is that represents the global consensus (and the WMF have added the magic word and are going to switch off Wikidata descriptions once there are enough local descriptions on that basis) [[User:Galobtter|Galobtter]] ([[User talk:Galobtter|pingó mió]]) 13:30, 25 May 2018 (UTC)

==Autolinks==
This template automatically generates links to tributaries provided that a Wikipedia page with that name exists, no matter how silly that link might be. If I have fixed one link generated by this template to a DAB page, I have fixed fifty.

I dread to think how many bad links which this template has created are to irrelevant or misleading [[WP:PTOPIC]]s; including to inhabited places rather than rivers. I'll settle for, 'lots'. [[User:Narky Blert|Narky Blert]] ([[User talk:Narky Blert|talk]]) 22:48, 23 August 2018 (UTC)

:Hello [[User:Narky Blert|Narky Blert]]. Thanks for your message. I don't think I follow you... You mean the infobox auto-generates plain text to links, when you add entries in <code>|tributaries_left=</code> and <code>|tributaries_right=</code>? [[User:Rehman|<span style="font-variant:small-caps; font-weight:bold; color:darkblue">Reh</span>]][[User talk:Rehman|<span style="color:green">man</span>]] 01:36, 24 August 2018 (UTC)

:: {{ping|Rehman}} Correct. See e.g. my recent edit to [[Huron River (northern Michigan)]]. Also, the <code>source=</code>, <code>discharge_location=</code> and <code>mouth_name=</code> fields at least. See my recent edits to [[Caribou River (Thunder Bay District)]], [[Sibagat River]] and [[Current River (Ozarks)]]. (Current River (Ozarks) also contains several old tributary fixes, where redlinks were inserted correctly in the first place.) Also, the <code>country=</code>, <code>state=</code>, <code>region=</code> and <code>district=</code> fields. That last group is less likely to cause long-lasting problems: there are editors who monitor notorious DAB pages like [[Georgia]], [[New York]] and [[Washington]] for new bad links, of which there are several every day. Yrs, [[User:Narky Blert|Narky Blert]] ([[User talk:Narky Blert|talk]]) 09:52, 24 August 2018 (UTC)

::: Hello [[User:Narky Blert|Narky Blert]]. Found the problem. Those pages are using a deprecated subtemplate of {{tl|Geobox}}, not {{tl|Infobox river}}. You are most welcome to assist in updating those articles to use the infobox template instead of geobox. :-) Feel free to let me know if you need any assistance. Best regards, [[User:Rehman|<span style="font-variant:small-caps; font-weight:bold; color:darkblue">Reh</span>]][[User talk:Rehman|<span style="color:green">man</span>]] 09:57, 24 August 2018 (UTC)

:::: {{ping|Rehman}} Thanks! I'll add that one to my bag of template-problem tricks, of which I have a good 20. Yrs, [[User:Narky Blert|Narky Blert]] ([[User talk:Narky Blert|talk]]) 10:08, 24 August 2018 (UTC)

::::: {{ping|Narky Blert}}, nowiki tags are also a workaround for this -- see [[Salmon River (New York)]] for an example. Thanks--[[User:TimK MSI|TimK MSI]] ([[User talk:TimK MSI|talk]]) 10:29, 24 August 2018 (UTC)

:::::: {{ping|TimK MSI}} That's a trick I already knew and have used. New river articles, and new infoboxes in river articles, are relatively uncommon, so the problem isn't a major one. I am more concerned about the invisible problems which will arise if someone autolinks to, say, [[Uzh River]] and gets the wrong one. (I've checked the incoming links to that page, and they look OK.) Yrs, [[User:Narky Blert|Narky Blert]] ([[User talk:Narky Blert|talk]]) 10:41, 24 August 2018 (UTC)

==Specific concerns on various items==
I have no particular preferences in layout and/or style "department". What's concerns me is that template editors could make few important omission in merging, regarding options which exist in "geobox" and lack in "infobox-river". I am referring to unique hydrological and hydrogeological characteristics of karstic rivers, its wellsprings, course, and mouth. These types of rivers could have multiple sources that are considered as "source group", rather than separate springs where the largest (or for any number of reason) is chosen as main and therefor only while all other just separate tributary bodies. For instance, it's a situation where you have several huge springs with enormous discharge, that immediately create entire rivers with short course, and with or without its own unique names, that could be separated by distances ranging from very small to significant. In hydrology and hydrogelogy such situation is called "spring group", where springs could have unique names (as noted, even its short courses could have unique name, but not necessarily) but are considered and designated as one main group-source of one river, just with several separate fonts. Further, course of these rivers can have section that goes underground, making it a "sinking river". Sometimes, in cases of "sinking rivers", you have examples where river loosing only portion of its waters to the underground flow, which in turn end its flow in completely different location from the rest of the river flow - it can spill into different place of the same parent river, completely different parent river, or form another completely different sea estuary at different location, or appear at the coast as underwater wellspring ([[vrulja]]), but still within the same watershed, and so on. For these reasons I appeal to editors working on merging to take into account these parameters: item "source" ("name", "location", "coord") with multiple instances; same with item "mouth".--[[User:Santasa99|<span style="color:maroon; text-shadow:#666362 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em;">'''౪ Santa ౪'''</span>]][[User talk:Santasa99|<span style="color:navy; text-shadow:#666362 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em;"><sup>'''''99°'''''</sup></span>]] 20:00, 29 October 2018 (UTC)
:There are, of course, other items that are important option in both "infobox-river" and in "geobox", or lacking in one template but not in other and vice-verse. One good way to alleviate this problem in "geobox" is an option "free" (with "free_type"), but you have only one instance of this option.--[[User:Santasa99|<span style="color:maroon; text-shadow:#666362 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em;">'''౪ Santa ౪'''</span>]][[User talk:Santasa99|<span style="color:navy; text-shadow:#666362 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em;"><sup>'''''99°'''''</sup></span>]] 20:22, 29 October 2018 (UTC)-

::Hello [[User:Santasa99]]. I understand the hydrogeological characteristics which you've explained, but it is still quite ambiguous in terms of application over the two templates (at least to me). Could you please provide a linked example (i.e. article) of the above? Where the geobox uses a these unique entries, which the infobox cannot accommodate? Or vice versa? Thanks, [[User:Rehman|<span style="font-variant:small-caps; font-weight:bold; color:darkblue">Reh</span>]][[User talk:Rehman|<span style="color:green">man</span>]] 01:44, 31 October 2018 (UTC)

:::I don't have any article to point out from top of my head, other than those I am involved in editing/creating, but I am not sure that we could find many simply because you can use template only as it is: for instance, one can't include multiple "estuaries"/"mouths"/"confluences" if option is lacking from both templates; "infobox-river" has better option for multiple sources, though only four or five instances of it (one can include only 4 or 5 river sources, but "geobox" lacks these instances altogether). Here's some article examples in which creation and/or editing I am involved: [[Zalomka]], and especially [[Trebišnjica]] - rivers like these have extremely interesting and complex hydrogeology, from multiple springs, spring-groups, above ground and underground flows, to multiple estuaries and mouths, all within one and the same basin and same or different watersheds, like all rivers running through [[Karst]] (I am myself involved in exploring and writing on features (river, polje, underground aquifers and flows, etc) within karstic region of [[Dinaric Alps]]).--[[User:Santasa99|<span style="color:maroon; text-shadow:#666362 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em;">'''౪ Santa ౪'''</span>]][[User talk:Santasa99|<span style="color:navy; text-shadow:#666362 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em;"><sup>'''''99°'''''</sup></span>]] 19:43, 31 October 2018 (UTC)
::::{{ping|Santasa99}} just a comment. One thing to keep in mind is that the infobox is meant to be a quick glance source. I would argue that for those very limited number of cases where there is such complex hydrodynamics, we shouldn't try to accommodate every single one. It may be enough to simply list the main tributaries and then say "See article" or something like that. Full disclosure, I'm not even remotely close to being an expert with rivers. I'm coming at this from the template editor perspective... But my point is that if the template works for 99% of rivers, and there is less than 1% where the river is so complex that not all the information will fit in the infobox, it is at least worth considering whether all that information SHOULD go in the infobox. If a river has 10+ tributaries, listing them all in the infobox would be a headache to read. As a reader, I'd rather just see "10 (see below)" or something like that in the infobox and then a section in the article with a table or something. Just some food for thought. --'''[[User:Zackmann08|<span style="color:#00ced1">Zack</span><span style="color:#007F94">mann</span>]]''' (<sup>[[User_talk:Zackmann08|Talk to me]]</sup>/<sub>[[Special:Contributions/Zackmann08|<span style="color:orange;">What I been doing</span>]]</sub>) 20:03, 31 October 2018 (UTC)
:::No, of course - that's why I focused only on issue of '''1)''' multiple sources (option alredy exist but maybe shouldn't be restricted - currently is restricted on 5? in "infobox-river" and only 3 in "geobox", but that being said this could be matter for "infobox spring"); '''1a)''' also, "geobox" has useful and important option/item "source confluence" lacking in "infobox-river" (this serves to designate starting point for those rivers incurred through merging of two smaller ones (with names of their own), which is, on the other hand, extremely useful for rivers emerging from spring with multiple large outlets, or even multiple "spring-groups" where every "group" has multiple outlets, and so on); '''2)''' possibly include new item called "source-group" (also issue for "infobox spring"); and '''3)''' multiple instances for mouths/estuaries should be option (currently only one instance of this item exists - not sure but I think in in both templates). I suppose these aren't some broad expansions on existing options. And I must object on assumption that only 1% of rivers have these complex features, because number of rivers originating and/or running through karstic zones the world-over is actually significant - these regions exist are all over the planet, from Southeast Asia, South China, Central America, Balkans, and so on.--[[User:Santasa99|<span style="color:maroon; text-shadow:#666362 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em;">'''౪ Santa ౪'''</span>]][[User talk:Santasa99|<span style="color:navy; text-shadow:#666362 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em;"><sup>'''''99°'''''</sup></span>]] 22:09, 31 October 2018 (UTC)
::::By the way, why not include certain "module parameter" to have option of using other geographical infoboxes?--[[User:Santasa99|<span style="color:maroon; text-shadow:#666362 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em;">'''౪ Santa ౪'''</span>]][[User talk:Santasa99|<span style="color:navy; text-shadow:#666362 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em;"><sup>'''''99°'''''</sup></span>]] 22:28, 31 October 2018 (UTC)

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== River Notablity ==

Question that is a bit off topic... What is the story with notability for rivers? I've stumbled upon a few articles ([[Fărcădin River]], [[Fărău River]], [[Fătăceni River]] being the 3 most recent ones) that IMHO don't meet general notability. I don't want to spam nominate dozens of articles... But curious what other people think here? Is there a rule here? I'm sure there is a policy somewhere in the notability guidelines that explains this. Can anyone shed some light or link me to a page? Many thanks! --'''[[User:Zackmann08|<span style="color:#00ced1">Zack</span><span style="color:#007F94">mann</span>]]''' (<sup>[[User_talk:Zackmann08|Talk to me]]</sup>/<sub>[[Special:Contributions/Zackmann08|<span style="color:orange;">What I been doing</span>]]</sub>) 18:28, 28 November 2018 (UTC)

{{Clear}}
== Pushpin_map_relief ==

The documentation says "pushpin_relief=0" allows a standard map to be used. But this hasn't been working. See [[Karakash River]] for an example. -- [[User:Kautilya3|Kautilya3]] ([[User talk:Kautilya3|talk]]) 15:41, 22 November 2018 (UTC)

Actually I just noticed that the documentation says "puhspin_map_relief". However, the engine says this is an unknown parameter. -- [[User:Kautilya3|Kautilya3]] ([[User talk:Kautilya3|talk]]) 15:45, 22 November 2018 (UTC)
:{{ping|Kautilya3}} GREAT find! Thanks for pointing that out. I've fixed it. :-) --'''[[User:Zackmann08|<span style="color:#00ced1">Zack</span><span style="color:#007F94">mann</span>]]''' (<sup>[[User_talk:Zackmann08|Talk to me]]</sup>/<sub>[[Special:Contributions/Zackmann08|<span style="color:orange;">What I been doing</span>]]</sub>) 18:49, 22 November 2018 (UTC)

== Wikidata support ==

Hello. Sorry for bringing this up late, I actually forgot about it. During the previous cleanup, I wanted to add Wikidata support to this infobox, but never found the time. Since we are at it again, do you think we could get it done now? Of course, it would not have any impact on the parameters of the current mergers. An example infobox with Wikidata support is {{tl|Infobox telescope}}. To get an idea of what I am trying to explain, have a look at [[South Pole Telescope]] in edit mode.

Basically, if parameters are not filled in the article, it would be fetched from Wikidata (if available). This concept allows that centralised data to be shared across Wikimedia (i.e. all Wikipedias), allowing auto-translations, among other benefits. [[User:Rehman|<span style="font-variant:small-caps; font-weight:bold; color:darkblue">Reh</span>]][[User talk:Rehman|<span style="color:green">man</span>]] 02:33, 20 November 2018 (UTC)
:{{ping|Rehman}} it looks like that is already in place for the image. I for one would 100% support adding wikidata! Do you want to mock it up in the sandbox first for feedback or are you comfortable just making it happen. I don't see an issue either way. You clearly know what you are doing! :-) --'''[[User:Zackmann08|<span style="color:#00ced1">Zack</span><span style="color:#007F94">mann</span>]]''' (<sup>[[User_talk:Zackmann08|Talk to me]]</sup>/<sub>[[Special:Contributions/Zackmann08|<span style="color:orange;">What I been doing</span>]]</sub>) 18:06, 21 November 2018 (UTC)
::Wikidata use in infoboxes is highly controversial, and I strongly suggest that discussion of addition of Wikidata be done separately from the merger (is there any benefit to doing it now rather than after mergers are complete?) [[User:Galobtter|Galobtter]] ([[User talk:Galobtter|pingó mió]]) 19:34, 21 November 2018 (UTC)
:::{{ping|Galobtter}} I was not aware that this was controversial. As the one performing most of the merging, I don't think the two have any real relation. Since the use of WikiData would be a fallback (if a value was not supplied) I don't see any way for it to conflict. That being said, if this is something that you feel warrants a broader discussion, I would agree. Lets have a broader discussion and not rush into it. --'''[[User:Zackmann08|<span style="color:#00ced1">Zack</span><span style="color:#007F94">mann</span>]]''' (<sup>[[User_talk:Zackmann08|Talk to me]]</sup>/<sub>[[Special:Contributions/Zackmann08|<span style="color:orange;">What I been doing</span>]]</sub>) 20:16, 21 November 2018 (UTC)
::::See [[Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Wikidata Phase 2]], [[Wikipedia:Wikidata/2018 Infobox RfC]], and [[Wikipedia:Arbitration Committee/Noticeboard/Archive 11#Motion: Crosswiki issues]] regarding controversial nature of Wikidata in infoboxes. [[User:Galobtter|Galobtter]] ([[User talk:Galobtter|pingó mió]]) 20:20, 21 November 2018 (UTC)
:::::{{ping|Galobtter}} I'm going to take your word for it. I have too many projects I'm working on right now to wade into this debate. I'm indifferent on the use of Wikidata. All I will say is that we need to definitely follow proper procedure. The way I see it, {{u|Rehman}} raised an idea, you raised an objection. What should follow is a discussion about whether to use the data or not. Once a consensus is reached we can either implement it or not. :-) --'''[[User:Zackmann08|<span style="color:#00ced1">Zack</span><span style="color:#007F94">mann</span>]]''' (<sup>[[User_talk:Zackmann08|Talk to me]]</sup>/<sub>[[Special:Contributions/Zackmann08|<span style="color:orange;">What I been doing</span>]]</sub>) 21:16, 21 November 2018 (UTC)
::::::This should be avoided in any merge process as you are aiming to get something the same before and after merge that you can check out, adding other variables into the equation makes things more difficult to validate the merge is OK. I also do not think that we should be rushing to use WikiData information as per the various discussions that do not have a consensus for general use. This definitely needs a full discussion before any thing is done here. [[User:Keith D|Keith D]] ([[User talk:Keith D|talk]]) 21:46, 21 November 2018 (UTC)
:::::::Okay, let's discuss this after the merger. Thanks for the responses :) [[User:Rehman|<span style="font-variant:small-caps; font-weight:bold; color:darkblue">Reh</span>]][[User talk:Rehman|<span style="color:green">man</span>]] 01:51, 22 November 2018 (UTC)

== Wikidata ==

So I have encountered an issue with the use of wikidata to find an image... [[Halton Hills]]. Any thoughts? --'''[[User:Zackmann08|<span style="color:#00ced1">Zack</span><span style="color:#007F94">mann</span>]]''' (<sup>[[User_talk:Zackmann08|Talk to me]]</sup>/<sub>[[Special:Contributions/Zackmann08|<span style="color:orange;">What I been doing</span>]]</sub>) 16:57, 29 November 2018 (UTC)

== Template-protected edit request on 1 December 2018 ==

{{edit template-protected|Template:Infobox river|answered=y}}
Hi, I would like to suggest a few simple edits:
*Please move {{para|basin_size}} up from "Basin features" to "Physical characteristics" in between {{para|length}} and {{para|width}} – it's not a feature, it's a characteristic, and it makes no sense that it's isolated from the length and discharge numbers. {{done}}
*Order the discharge parameters like this: {{para|discharge1_avg}}, {{para|discharge1_max}}, {{para|discharge1_min}}. Average discharge is by far the most important figure here, and its current location below minimum discharge is weird. {{done}}
*"Confluence" in {{para|source_confluence}} shouldn't be capitalized. {{done}}
I've brought these up a few times on [[Template talk:Infobox river]] but there wasn't any opinions or consensus reached. Having created many hundreds of river articles I believe these changes would make the infobox read better. Thanks! <span style='color: #FFFFFF;background-color: #FFD700;font-color: #000000;'>[[User:Shannon1|'''Shannon''']]</span> <small>[ [[User talk:Shannon1|Talk]] ]</small> 18:20, 1 December 2018 (UTC)
:I've marked one done. The others I think need consensus (feel free to request feedback from [[WP:RIVERS]]). I personally have no issue with the first request but I'm not familiar with this area. That one should be a quick turn change with a few people commenting.
: Regarding discharge, I think min/avg/max probably needs to have a better format--maybe instead of separate lines for min and max we have one line that displays like {{mono|'''Discharge''' min-max}} and a second line (either before or after) that displays {{mono|'''Average discharge''' avg}}. --[[User:Izno|Izno]] ([[User talk:Izno|talk]]) 19:05, 1 December 2018 (UTC)
::Thanks for the change, and I '''support''' all of the proposals as made by [[User:Shannon1]]. (Personally, I'd prefer that the infobox's sections not have the "Location"/"Physical characteristics"/"Basin features" labels at all -- just lines, like [[Template:Infobox settlement|Infobox settlement]] and various other infoboxes. I thought that a discussion somewhere was leaning toward removing them at some point, but maybe I'm mis-remembering? At any rate, I don't think the section labels add anything useful.) The size ''of'' the basin is not really a feature ''in'' the basin, so I agree that it doesn't belong where it is. Additionally, I think basin size should be presented adjacently to other figures (such as length and average discharge) that readers use to quickly assess the size of a river. (On that note, I think it would be nice if these fields of numeric data could be set off from the details about the source and mouth with a horizontal line.) Regarding discharge, the aim of the alternative proposal isn't clear to me -- it sounds like you want to merge the two min/max fields into a single field with two values in it? Average definitely should be listed first, regardless. Thanks!-- [[User:TimK MSI|TimK MSI]] ([[User talk:TimK MSI|talk]]) 20:25, 1 December 2018 (UTC)
:::{{Ping|TimK MSI|Shannon1}} Obviously I've had a big involvement with this but I'll confess to being a bit burnt out by the process. Just been a ton of work! That being said, the two of you have been insanely helpful so I want to make sure I continue to do my part. Can I make a suggestion? I know the main template is protected but how about the two of you work together on updating the sandbox and lets see what your idea looks like? I think it is much easier to decide whether to implement it when we can actually see what you have in mind. I'm happy to help with some of the technical stuff if you get stuck, but how would you feel about playing in the sand(box) {{;)}} for a bit to mock something up? Once that is done, assuming it works and there are no objections, I am more than happy to implement it. Again, if you get stuck or need help with template syntax, please do not hesitate to ping me directly and I'll help out. Let me know your thoughts. --'''[[User:Zackmann08|<span style="color:#00ced1">Zack</span><span style="color:#007F94">mann</span>]]''' (<sup>[[User_talk:Zackmann08|Talk to me]]</sup>/<sub>[[Special:Contributions/Zackmann08|<span style="color:orange;">What I been doing</span>]]</sub>) 21:04, 1 December 2018 (UTC)
:::Yes, I think it's natural to provide it in the form of a range rather than as two separate lines. --[[User:Izno|Izno]] ([[User talk:Izno|talk]]) 21:17, 1 December 2018 (UTC)
:Did the discharge request per TimK. You can update the documentation to place average first on each line for the blank/example template wikitext. Let me look at the first request again. --[[User:Izno|Izno]] ([[User talk:Izno|talk]]) 21:21, 1 December 2018 (UTC)
:And the basin_size. Again, you can update the documentation. --[[User:Izno|Izno]] ([[User talk:Izno|talk]]) 21:26, 1 December 2018 (UTC)
::Wow, you beat me to it :) I was still tinkering in the sandbox and trying to figure things out. Looks much better now. <span style='color: #FFFFFF;background-color: #FFD700;font-color: #000000;'>[[User:Shannon1|'''Shannon''']]</span> <small>[ [[User talk:Shannon1|Talk]] ]</small> 21:43, 1 December 2018 (UTC)
:::Feel free to continue tinkering. I'm happy to help in case you get stuck. --[[User:Izno|Izno]] ([[User talk:Izno|talk]]) 21:51, 1 December 2018 (UTC)

== Multiple different names ==

I wanted to talk about the multiple different naming parameters we now have on this template. This discussion is meant to be independent of the ongoing discussion above about my accidentally removing nicknames from River pages as they were converted. There is no argument that the information needs to be restored! When I was adding the nicknames to this template, I realized that we now have 4 different naming parameters... {{para|name}}, {{para|name_native}}, {{para|name_other}} & {{para|nickname}}. There are a couple of things about this that I think are worth discussing.. 
;Does '''all''' of this really belong in the infobox?
: Take [[Mississippi River]] for instance. In the infobox it has 7 different native names in 7 different languages. Now I want to be clear, I'm not saying just delete that information, but IMHO, that belongs in the body of the article, not in the Infobox. If the river had just 1 native name, I'd see no problem putting it in the infobox, but 7 seems like overkill to me.
;Can we combine some of these?
: {{param|name_other}} & {{param|nickname}} seem like they are essentially the same thing. Would it be possible to combine them into one? Thoughts?

I want to re-emphasize that I'm not advocating deleting any information from articles. In some select cases, such as the example above about [[Mississippi River]], I do think we should re-evaluate what belongs in the Infobox versus the body of the article, but not suggesting any of the info be just flat deleted. --'''[[User:Zackmann08|<span style="color:#00ced1">Zack</span><span style="color:#007F94">mann</span>]]''' (<sup>[[User_talk:Zackmann08|Talk to me]]</sup>/<sub>[[Special:Contributions/Zackmann08|<span style="color:orange;">What I been doing</span>]]</sub>) 18:56, 8 December 2018 (UTC)
:{{ping|Shannon1|TimK MSI|Izno}} definitely want you guys to weigh in here. I come at this from the "template editor" side of things, but you guys have the river knowledge. Want to make sure that any changes work with both perspectives in mind. --'''[[User:Zackmann08|<span style="color:#00ced1">Zack</span><span style="color:#007F94">mann</span>]]''' (<sup>[[User_talk:Zackmann08|Talk to me]]</sup>/<sub>[[Special:Contributions/Zackmann08|<span style="color:orange;">What I been doing</span>]]</sub>) 19:40, 8 December 2018 (UTC)
:::I'm fine with the name options as they are now. The options afforded are fewer than those at [[Template:Infobox settlement#Name and transliteration|Infobox settlement]], and I'm inclined to distinguish poetic/colloquial nicknames from the kinds of more "formal" or official variant names such as one might encounter as labels on old maps. For specific instances such as [[Mississippi River]] and others, I'd defer to the [[WP:INFOBOXUSE|MOS language]] ("...which parts of the infobox to use, is determined through discussion and consensus among the editors at each individual article.") Personally I think the Mississippi River example is OK as it is. Thanks! --[[User:TimK MSI|TimK MSI]] ([[User talk:TimK MSI|talk]]) 14:32, 10 December 2018 (UTC)

::::IMO, let's keep all the names in the infobox, but maybe move everything save for the most commonly used name into the space below the images next to "etymology". Although I'd make an exception for certain transboundary rivers - for example more than half the length of the [[Mekong]] river is in China, where it is called the "Lancang", while it is only in the several downstream countries where its name is "Mekong" or derivatives thereof. Or what about the [[Rio Grande]], forms the Mexico/USA border for over 1000 miles, so its Spanish name Río Bravo should definitely be up there next to the "main" name. The name fields as they are now are kind of a mess, as sometimes the "native name" is still a commonly used name, while in other cases it's only a historical name. so I guess I suggest for now: move {{para|native_name}} and {{para|nickname}} below {{para|etymology}}, and keep {{para|name_other}} where it is now. <span style='color: #FFFFFF;background-color: #FFD700;font-color: #000000;'>[[User:Shannon1|'''Shannon''']]</span> <small>[ [[User talk:Shannon1|Talk]] ]</small> 19:36, 10 December 2018 (UTC)

:::::Ah, thanks, that sounds like a good change to me too. --[[User:TimK MSI|TimK MSI]] ([[User talk:TimK MSI|talk]]) 19:41, 10 December 2018 (UTC)