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==Moved Alabama Territory > Territory of Alabama==
Per page usage and note that it was more common during the period. Curious if anyone can get a copy of the US act of Congress that established the state or any sources to justify the note here, though. -[[User:LlywelynII|LlywelynII]] ([[User talk:LlywelynII|talk]]) 10:50, 21 February 2010 (UTC)
:Hmmm... Well, that's unhelpful. [http://www.legislature.state.al.us/misc/history/constitutions/territorial/ter2.html The act in question] establishes that the region ''be called "Alabama",'' so technically the page might ought be headed "Alabama (Territory)." On the other hand, usage elsewhere within the act refers to it as "Alabama Territory," so I really would like to see some sources justifying the current note. Otherwise, we ought should remove it and send the page back to the US House of Representatives-preferred usage "Alabama Territory." -[[User:LlywelynII|LlywelynII]] ([[User talk:LlywelynII|talk]]) 10:55, 21 February 2010 (UTC)

==Better Visuals==
Can be found [http://alabamamaps.ua.edu/historicalmaps/alabama/before1825.html here]. Also one already loaded onto the Commons [http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:1823_Map_of_Alabama_and_Georgia_counties.jpeg here]. Worthwhile to show how much of the territory was granted to the Civilized Tribes prior to the Indian Removal Act. -[[User:LlywelynII|LlywelynII]] ([[User talk:LlywelynII|talk]]) 14:25, 21 February 2010 (UTC)
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The result of the move request was: '''page moved'''. [[User:Vegaswikian|Vegaswikian]] ([[User talk:Vegaswikian|talk]]) 18:08, 19 August 2010 (UTC)

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[[Territory of Alabama]] → {{noredirect|1=Alabama Territory}} — It is one of two possible names. So for the article title use what is most common in [[:Category:Former organized territories of the United States]]. [[User:Schwyz|Schwyz]] ([[User talk:Schwyz|talk]]) 16:22, 12 August 2010 (UTC)
* '''support''' [[User:Schwyz|Schwyz]] ([[User talk:Schwyz|talk]]) 20:29, 12 August 2010 (UTC)

:Alabama Territory seems like the better name to me. Even if "Territory of Alabama" was the name in law, Alabama Territory was and is the common form. The same is true for states, counties, cities, etc. [[Pierce County, Washington|Pierce County]] in Washington is, legally speaking, the "County of Pierce". No one calls it that except in strictly legal situations, like the text of lawsuits. [[Massachusetts]] is "properly" called, as its page says right away, the Commonwealth of Massachusetts. Same with [[Kentucky]] and [[Virginia]] (curious how on Wikipedia only pages on "commonwealth" states take pain to say they are "Commonwealth of...", while all other state pages just say "Georgia is...", "Colorado is...", etc). It looks like most of the former organized territory pages are like the commonwealth state pages--they use the common "short form" name for the page itself but the "long form" in the opening sentence. I'm not sure that's necessary or even sensible. Regardless of how the first sentence is worded, it makes sense to me to use the common short form, ie, Alabama Territory, for the page name. [[User:Pfly|Pfly]] ([[User talk:Pfly|talk]]) 11:08, 13 August 2010 (UTC)
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Latest revision as of 21:30, 13 January 2024

Moved Alabama Territory > Territory of Alabama

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Per page usage and note that it was more common during the period. Curious if anyone can get a copy of the US act of Congress that established the state or any sources to justify the note here, though. -LlywelynII (talk) 10:50, 21 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Hmmm... Well, that's unhelpful. The act in question establishes that the region be called "Alabama", so technically the page might ought be headed "Alabama (Territory)." On the other hand, usage elsewhere within the act refers to it as "Alabama Territory," so I really would like to see some sources justifying the current note. Otherwise, we ought should remove it and send the page back to the US House of Representatives-preferred usage "Alabama Territory." -LlywelynII (talk) 10:55, 21 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Better Visuals

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Can be found here. Also one already loaded onto the Commons here. Worthwhile to show how much of the territory was granted to the Civilized Tribes prior to the Indian Removal Act. -LlywelynII (talk) 14:25, 21 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: page moved. Vegaswikian (talk) 18:08, 19 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]



Territory of AlabamaAlabama Territory — It is one of two possible names. So for the article title use what is most common in Category:Former organized territories of the United States. Schwyz (talk) 16:22, 12 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Alabama Territory seems like the better name to me. Even if "Territory of Alabama" was the name in law, Alabama Territory was and is the common form. The same is true for states, counties, cities, etc. Pierce County in Washington is, legally speaking, the "County of Pierce". No one calls it that except in strictly legal situations, like the text of lawsuits. Massachusetts is "properly" called, as its page says right away, the Commonwealth of Massachusetts. Same with Kentucky and Virginia (curious how on Wikipedia only pages on "commonwealth" states take pain to say they are "Commonwealth of...", while all other state pages just say "Georgia is...", "Colorado is...", etc). It looks like most of the former organized territory pages are like the commonwealth state pages--they use the common "short form" name for the page itself but the "long form" in the opening sentence. I'm not sure that's necessary or even sensible. Regardless of how the first sentence is worded, it makes sense to me to use the common short form, ie, Alabama Territory, for the page name. Pfly (talk) 11:08, 13 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.