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New section seems to be a defamation

The complete Pakistani community in Britain is the subject of this article. Since the crimes of one individual cannot be used to denigrate the entire community, start a new section by engaging in discussion on the talk page so that this content can be added with everyone's approval. 𝘚𝘢𝘯𝘦𝘮𝘈𝘺𝘩𝘢𝘯07 04:07, 3 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

It says Home Secretary said that, and it is true that she said that, if defamation is your worry file a case against her. Moreover she doesn't said all british pakistani are involved in grooming gangs. She just said that all those involved in gooming gangs are "almost all british pakistani". AbhishekSaini1910 (talk) 08:26, 9 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

It's a violation of WP:NPOV to include Braverman's claims without including sources that have established that she's wrong on the statistics, e.g. this. Cordless Larry (talk) 12:55, 9 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Cordless Larry Add her statement as well as information from the sources you mentioned. Add everyone's point of view, we are not sitting here to decide who is correct or who is wrong. AbhishekSaini1910 (talk) 15:06, 9 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

This is a volunteer project, AbhishekSaini1910; please don't tell me what to do. Cordless Larry (talk) 16:42, 9 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I wasn't ordering you to do it, i was just giving opinion what should be done. I forgot to write "we should" in starting pf my comment. AbhishekSaini1910 (talk) 22:17, 9 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Grooming Gangs[

Why this page doesn't contain anything regarding Grooming Gangs, while those at the top of british government, themselves saying that grooming gangs are made up of "almost all british Pakistani"

Home Secretary Suella Braverman said that the perpetrators of such crimes are “groups of men, almost all British Pakistani”. To the BBC she said the gangs were "overwhelmingly" made up of British-Pakistani males. British Prime Minister Rishi Sunak has vowed to do whatever it takes to root out grooming gangs and put more perpetrators behind bars. The UK PM announced a new Grooming Gangs Taskforce to tackle the menace.

[1] [2] [3] AbhishekSaini1910 (talk) 08:21, 9 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Genetic defects material

I've reverted your attempt to re-add this material, Colormaxxing, after it was previously reverted by another editor. You now need to follow WP:BRD and make the case for the addition here on the talk page. I also asked for input at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Medicine#Medical claim at British Pakistanis. One of the major problems seems to be that you're extrapolating from a small study limited to Southern Derbyshire to the whole British Pakistani population. Cordless Larry (talk) 20:08, 17 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

NB: Colormaxxing has since been blocked as a sockpuppet. Cordless Larry (talk) 07:10, 22 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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I do not think it is neccessary to mention Imran Khan's happiness of British Airways returning. It had nothing to do with the rest of the paragraphs. 2A04:4A43:54DF:CC11:0:0:12A7:EF81 (talk) 13:15, 31 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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+== Move discussion in progress ==
-== Street grooming ==
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-In the contemporary issues section, there needs to be some reference to the street grooming issue
+== New section seems to be a defamation ==
+The complete Pakistani community in Britain is the subject of this article. Since the crimes of one individual cannot be used to denigrate the entire community, start a new section by engaging in discussion on the talk page so that this content can be added with everyone's approval. <span style="font-family:Bradley Hand ITC;">[[User:SanemAyhan07|<span style="color:Purple;font-size:medium">&nbsp;𝘚𝘢𝘯𝘦𝘮𝘈𝘺𝘩𝘢𝘯07 &nbsp;</span>]]</span> 04:07, 3 April 2023 (UTC)
-https://www.thetelegraphandargus.co.uk/news/17353046.councillor-call-work-identify-disproportionately-high-number-grooming-suspects-pakistani-community/
+:It says Home Secretary said that, and it is true that she said that, if defamation is your worry file a case against her. Moreover she doesn't said all british pakistani are involved in grooming gangs. She just said that all those involved in gooming gangs are "almost all british pakistani". [[User:AbhishekSaini1910|AbhishekSaini1910]] ([[User talk:AbhishekSaini1910|talk]]) 08:26, 9 April 2023 (UTC)
-https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0MqrO6p2Woc
+::It's a violation of [[WP:NPOV]] to include Braverman's claims without including sources that have established that she's wrong on the statistics, e.g. [https://www.independent.co.uk/independentpremium/uk-news/suella-braverman-child-predator-race-b2312848.html this]. [[User:Cordless Larry|Cordless Larry]] ([[User talk:Cordless Larry|talk]]) 12:55, 9 April 2023 (UTC)
+:::[[User:Cordless Larry|@Cordless Larry]] Add her statement as well as information from the sources you mentioned. Add everyone's point of view, we are not sitting here to decide who is correct or who is wrong. [[User:AbhishekSaini1910|AbhishekSaini1910]] ([[User talk:AbhishekSaini1910|talk]]) 15:06, 9 April 2023 (UTC)
+::::This is a volunteer project, {{u|AbhishekSaini1910}}; please don't tell me what to do. [[User:Cordless Larry|Cordless Larry]] ([[User talk:Cordless Larry|talk]]) 16:42, 9 April 2023 (UTC)
+:::::I wasn't ordering you to do it, i was just giving opinion what should be done. I forgot to write "we should" in starting pf my comment. [[User:AbhishekSaini1910|AbhishekSaini1910]] ([[User talk:AbhishekSaini1910|talk]]) 22:17, 9 April 2023 (UTC)
+== Grooming Gangs[ ==
-https://www.spiked-online.com/2020/05/20/its-time-to-tell-the-truth-about-grooming-gangs/
+Why this page doesn't contain anything regarding Grooming Gangs, while those at the top of british government, themselves saying that grooming gangs are made up of "almost all british Pakistani"
-https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/news/midlands-news/revealed-disproportionately-high-numbers-pakistani-8439716
+Home Secretary Suella Braverman said that the perpetrators of such crimes are “groups of men, almost all British Pakistani”. To the BBC she said the gangs were "overwhelmingly" made up of British-Pakistani males. British Prime Minister Rishi Sunak has vowed to do whatever it takes to root out grooming gangs and put more perpetrators behind bars. The UK PM announced a new Grooming Gangs Taskforce to tackle the menace.
-https://www.nationalheraldindia.com/international/uk-court-jails-20-men-mostly-pakistanis-for-sexual-abuse-of-teenage-girls
+[https://www.indiatoday.in/world/story/uk-minister-says-pakistani-men-grooming-white-girls-faces-backlash-racist-comments-2355557-2023-04-04]
-[[User:ROC7|ROC7]] ([[User talk:ROC7|talk]]) 23:33, 21 March 2022 (UTC)
+[https://www.indiatoday.in/world/story/uk-grooming-gangs-british-pakistanis-minors-sexual-assault-rishi-sunak-suella-braverman-2356084-2023-04-05]
+[https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-65174096] [[User:AbhishekSaini1910|AbhishekSaini1910]] ([[User talk:AbhishekSaini1910|talk]]) 08:21, 9 April 2023 (UTC)
+== Genetic defects material ==
-Seems like your alternate account Koppite added it and it seems you are desperate to push a grooming narrative to the Pakistani/Asian community maybe you should discuss with others apart from yourself ? [[User:90tillinfinitydue|90tillinfinitydue]] ([[User talk:90tillinfinitydue|talk]]) 07:37, 30 March 2022 (UTC)
+I've reverted [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=British_Pakistanis&diff=prev&oldid=1155347294 your attempt] to re-add this material, {{u|Colormaxxing}}, after it was previously reverted by another editor. You now need to follow [[WP:BRD]] and make the case for the addition here on the talk page. I also asked for input at [[Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Medicine#Medical claim at British Pakistanis]]. One of the major problems seems to be that you're extrapolating from a small study limited to Southern Derbyshire to the whole British Pakistani population. [[User:Cordless Larry|Cordless Larry]] ([[User talk:Cordless Larry|talk]]) 20:08, 17 May 2023 (UTC)
-:@[[User:Koppite1|Koppite1]] Personally I am inclusivist and would prefer to have content with credible sources. Still would like to share a friendly advice.
+:NB: Colormaxxing has since been blocked as a sockpuppet. [[User:Cordless Larry|Cordless Larry]] ([[User talk:Cordless Larry|talk]]) 07:10, 22 May 2023 (UTC)
-:I do not know specific rules on false accusations still Same time  deleting talk page messages  can be problematic many times.
-:Besides avoid edit war because either of the side does not get more than 2 chances and most likely to get blocked if rule not followed.
+== British Airways image ==
-:Last but not least try to use academic studies from Google scholar might give better weightage to the aspiring content.
-:[[User:Bookku|&#32;Bookku, &#39;Encyclopedias &#61; expanding information &#38; knowledge&#39;]] ([[User talk:Bookku|talk]]) 08:34, 30 March 2022 (UTC)
-::Restored the talk page as not sure of rules re deletion. Will ignore the unfounded accusation re account...for now.  [[User:Koppite1|Koppite1]] ([[User talk:Koppite1|talk]]) 08:49, 30 March 2022 (UTC)
+I do not think it is neccessary to mention Imran Khan's happiness of British Airways returning. It had nothing to do with the rest of the paragraphs. [[Special:Contributions/2A04:4A43:54DF:CC11:0:0:12A7:EF81|2A04:4A43:54DF:CC11:0:0:12A7:EF81]] ([[User talk:2A04:4A43:54DF:CC11:0:0:12A7:EF81|talk]]) 13:15, 31 August 2024 (UTC)
-Koppite as come with an obvious agenda to downplay social issues pertaining to Black/Carribean folks and over play and smear other communities in particular South Asians. It is therefore imperative to counter and challenge the sources which are mostly tabloids and newspapers. [[User:90tillinfinitydue|90tillinfinitydue]] ([[User talk:90tillinfinitydue|talk]]) 08:59, 30 March 2022 (UTC)
-:Prima facie there likely to be breach of [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:3RR&redirect=no WP:3RR]   from edit warriors can [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:3RR&redirect=no WP:3RR] read and take before admin board if any one  feel so.
-:By the way this topic has been handled previously can be found in archives. Better both of you study previous arguments and add new credible sources if any and present the case than personalizing.
-:[[User:Bookku|&#32;Bookku, &#39;Encyclopedias &#61; expanding information &#38; knowledge&#39;]] ([[User talk:Bookku|talk]]) 09:49, 30 March 2022 (UTC)
-::Comparing to similar other pages, for instance, Bangladesh, there is mention of the issue regarding gangs, issues that affect the community. Another example is Albanians--there's mention of organised crime affecting their community. In the same vain, Street grooming is a contemporary issue that is affecting the Pakistani community, and is therefore a valid topic to include in the social issues section. Therefore, i'm inclined to reinstate the section. Also sources from e.g. the Times, the Independent etc are relatively strong sources
-::[[User:Koppite1|Koppite1]] ([[User talk:Koppite1|talk]]) 10:00, 30 March 2022 (UTC)
-:*<small>For info and record: This discussion has been informed @ [[Wikipedia talk:WikiProject United Kingdom#Requesting inputs|WT:UK#Requesting inputs]]. [[User:Bookku|&#32;Bookku, &#39;Encyclopedias &#61; expanding information &#38; knowledge&#39;]] ([[User talk:Bookku|talk]]) 10:14, 30 March 2022 (UTC) </small>
-:*:Also, should be noted that a new report was issued a few weeks ago by the IICSA.  It's still a relevant, on going topic.
-:*:[https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/grooming-gangs-iicsa-racist-fears-b2007649.html Fight against grooming gangs hindered by fear of being branded racist, says official | The Independent] [[User:Koppite1|Koppite1]] ([[User talk:Koppite1|talk]]) 10:30, 30 March 2022 (UTC)
-::::I restored the content which was removed with a misleading edit summary by 90tilinfinitydue [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=British_Pakistanis&diff=1083158551&oldid=1083152614 here]. [[User:Editorkamran|Editorkamran]] ([[User talk:Editorkamran|talk]]) 06:58, 23 July 2022 (UTC)
-== Terrorism ==
-Again in social issues, what about the links to terrorism e.g.
-https://www.efsas.org/publications/articles-by-efsas/london-bridge-attack-2019-three-out-of-four-terror-plots-in-the-uk-have-roots-in-pakistan/
-https://www.dw.com/en/banishing-the-extremist-image-a-crucial-task-for-british-pakistanis/a-39129778
-[[User:ROC7|ROC7]] ([[User talk:ROC7|talk]]) 18:36, 28 March 2022 (UTC)
-== Ancestral roots ==
-The article says British Pakistanis are people “whose ancestral roots lie in [[Pakistan]]”. Is this accurate? Pakistan has only existed for 75 years. There are British Pakistanis who were born before Pakistan existed. [[User:GimliDotNet|GimliDotNet]] ([[User talk:GimliDotNet|talk]]) 16:50, 23 April 2022 (UTC)
-== Murder of Kriss Donald ==
-There has been something of an edit war going on over a disputed section regarding the [[Murder of Kriss Donald]] - see here [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=British_Pakistanis&type=revision&diff=1095097335&oldid=1095092365] for the material concerned. Personally, I'm inclined to agree with the suggestion that the content is unbalenced,  given the singling out of this particular incident. There are also issues with the wording, even if it were to be included. I would strongly recommend that people '''discuss the content here''', and if that doesn't resolve the matter, maybe consider a [[WP:RfC]]. [[User:AndyTheGrump|AndyTheGrump]] ([[User talk:AndyTheGrump|talk]]) 10:07, 26 June 2022 (UTC)
-: You can’t discuss content with people who switch IPs and create accounts to push their agenda. The content is cited, is relevant (if somewhat ironic) as the section is about racism linked to the Pakistani community, the fact the IP switching POV pusher [[WP:IDONTLIKE|doesn’t like that]] is not an argument against it. [[User:GimliDotNet|GimliDotNet]] ([[User talk:GimliDotNet|talk]]) 11:52, 26 June 2022 (UTC)
-::You are ''required'' to discuss disputed content. That is how Wikipedia works. I suggest you do so, and refrain from engaging in hyperbole. You could start by perhaps explaining why you think that this one specific incident merits inclusion, when numerous other incidents don't. [[User:AndyTheGrump|AndyTheGrump]] ([[User talk:AndyTheGrump|talk]]) 12:02, 26 June 2022 (UTC)
-::: Hyperbole? Quit the [[WP:NPA|personal attacks]] right now. [[User:GimliDotNet|GimliDotNet]] ([[User talk:GimliDotNet|talk]]) 14:38, 26 June 2022 (UTC)
-:::I will ignore the irrational allegations by Gimli for now. This excuse of "cited" means nothing this event has zero place on a article about the community let alone in a section about racism towards them. It's Undue and is a edit made to distort and undermine the entire section downplaying the racism issue they face its not notable and undue and as describe as above unbalanced with the obvious intention to deflect and divert. It had no place here. Plenty of White racists have murdered people why not add every single racist murder to their respective community pages? We have nothing more to discuss its not relevant, notable or balanced. [[User:Heauwo0|Heauwo0]] ([[User talk:Heauwo0|talk]]) 12:52, 26 June 2022 (UTC)
-::::: The fact that it was the '''FIRST''' conviction in Scotland under this legislation is  especially pertinent. [[User:GimliDotNet|GimliDotNet]] ([[User talk:GimliDotNet|talk]]) 14:38, 26 June 2022 (UTC)
-::::::Given that this article is about the British Pakistani community, not Scottish legislation regarding racially-motivated murder, I fail to see why. [[User:AndyTheGrump|AndyTheGrump]] ([[User talk:AndyTheGrump|talk]]) 15:03, 26 June 2022 (UTC)
-:: Firstly, it’s not Scottish Legislation, it’s British Legislation - there is a difference. And the section is about racism and the British Pakistani community, this was a notable example, the first conviction in Scotland under legislation that included racism as a defining factor, and it was carried out by members of the British Pakistani community. There’s no way it doesn’t fit into the narrative of race related crime in the British Pakistani community. To ignore it is white-washing. [[User:GimliDotNet|GimliDotNet]] ([[User talk:GimliDotNet|talk]]) 16:02, 26 June 2022 (UTC)
-:::It is legislation under Scottish law. As for this being a 'notable example', who says so? Why is it any more notable than any other racially-motivated crime? [[User:AndyTheGrump|AndyTheGrump]] ([[User talk:AndyTheGrump|talk]]) 16:13, 26 June 2022 (UTC)
-:::: It's obviously an attempt to derail and downplay the racism faced by the community to add one rare example of a crime while hundreds of other crimes are never mentioned its got no place here simple as it has its own article go and write whatever you want there but dont push your confusion and defelcting agenda here. The fact is overwhelming evidence suggests race related crimes are committed by Whites against Pakistanis to give this non notable crime any weight is ridiculous and as stated clearly agenda driven editing. [[User:Heauwo0|Heauwo0]] ([[User talk:Heauwo0|talk]]) 17:11, 26 June 2022 (UTC)
-Whatever your feelings on this matter [[WP:NPA]] and [[WP:AGF]] are policies. Withdraw your accusation of racism or else we can take this to [[WP:ANI]]. [[User:GimliDotNet|GimliDotNet]] ([[User talk:GimliDotNet|talk]]) 17:21, 26 June 2022 (UTC)
-:I doubt that would be in your best interest. And meanwhile, please answer my question. Who says that this particular crime is a 'notable example' of anything directly relevant to the article topic? Why is it any more 'notable' than the numerous serious crimes committed against people from the British Pakistani community - none of which the article discusses in any detail? [[User:AndyTheGrump|AndyTheGrump]] ([[User talk:AndyTheGrump|talk]]) 18:20, 26 June 2022 (UTC)
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