Talk:Beast (Canadian band)

Article split

I think the album deserves its own section; there's enough information about it in this article alone to justify a new article. Any qualms? James Who (talk) 04:52, 14 June 2009 (UTC)

I think creating a section for the album is a good idea. I'm not sure about creating a separate article for it, unless perhaps you have more information to add. Marchije•^speak/_peek 14:00, 14 June 2009 (UTC)

I can add information from the allmusic article about it and I'll search for more information on reviews. It's just annoying that the album title AND band name are rather... generic (in that they're common words on the net) because information is so difficult to find! Other than that, there are other album that have even less information on them yet have their own articles. I will find more information and then maybe split the article later. If anyone finds any more information, can they let me know so I know that there will be more added to the article? —Preceding unsigned comment added by James Who (talk • contribs) 00:10, 15 June 2009 (UTC)

I split the article. If you have any more information on reviews or singles, etc, please find the article: Beast (Beast album). —Preceding unsigned comment added by James Who (talk • contribs) 07:56, 2 July 2009 (UTC)

Move?

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The result of the move request was Not moved. Article for South Korean band of same name still exists under similarly disambiguated name. (Non-admin closure; there's a backlog) Cybercobra (talk) 11:26, 13 November 2009 (UTC)

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Beast (Canadian band) → Beast (band) —

• Originally had move the latter to the former due to another group sharing the same name, however I just found out that Beast (South Korean band) name is actually an acronym. So Beast (Canadian band) can just be covered by Beast (band). Also it is a unneeded disam page since it can be covered in Beast. — MS (Talk|Contributions) 13:59, 1 November 2009 (UTC) Relisted (issue is related to a now-resolved afd) DMacks (talk) 07:20, 10 November 2009 (UTC)
• That "beast" Beast (South Korean band) is an acronym, is not obvious to many looking for info about it.

  Page Beast (South Korean band) redirects to page BEAST, which is under AfD. Best wait till that AfD has run its course? Anthony Appleyard (talk) 20:34, 2 November 2009 (UTC)

  • Suspend until after AfD, per Appleyard. 65.94.252.195 (talk) 04:43, 3 November 2009 (UTC)

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Requested move 28 July 2018

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The result of the move request was: Not moved, per consensus here and also precedent set at Talk:The Ghost (Faroese band)#Requested move 28 July 2018  — Amakuru (talk) 19:23, 7 August 2018 (UTC)

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Beast (Canadian band) → Beast (duo) – Not a band per WP:BANDDAB. The editor whose username is Z0 17:07, 28 July 2018 (UTC)

• Support per nom. bd2412 T 01:25, 29 July 2018 (UTC)
• Oppose This is a duo of electronic musicians. They play electronic musical instruments. Chubbles (talk) 01:50, 29 July 2018 (UTC)
• Oppose as proposed. WP:BANDDAB says "Use either '(band)' or '(duo)' when the musical ensemble is a duet." It does not deprecate the use of "(band)" in these cases. Dekimasuよ! 02:24, 29 July 2018 (UTC)
• Oppose the guidance on WP:BANDDAB says "Use either '(band)' or '(duo)' when the musical ensemble is a duet." Maybe we should remove the (duo) option as it adds nothing In ictu oculi (talk) 07:58, 29 July 2018 (UTC)
• Comment - a band makes it more imprecise because there could be 2 to an infinite number of members whereas duo shows there is only 2 members in the group. A band is defined as "a group of instrumentalists playing music of a specialized type". This music group is a duo of electronic musicians who are not instrumentalists (players of a musical instrument). In popular culture, a band is typically a group of 4-5 people who sing, play the guitar, drums, bass, etc. Calling a group of 2 musicians a band is simply inaccurate and improper although literally they could fit the scope. @Chubbles: @Dekimasu: @In ictu oculi: please consider reconsidering. Not only (duo) makes it easier to categorize music groups consisting of 2 members, it also distinguishes electronic music groups from regular music groups. The editor whose username is Z0 08:06, 29 July 2018 (UTC)

• 1) To this point, I think everyone has been fairly accepting of the fact that you filed 30 individual move requests instead of a multimove. However, please understand that it's annoying to get over 30 page notifications for the same comment–and then getting 30 edit conflicts after you edit the comment with the ping in it. If the issues at hand are the same, please pick one talk page and have the rest of the discussion there.

2) There is nothing inaccurate or improper about calling a band with two members a band. Musical ensemble#Two parts: "Examples of two-member bands are Japandroids, Local H, Pet Shop Boys, Hella, Flight of the Conchords, Death from Above 1979, Francis Xavier, I Set My Friends On Fire, Middle Class Rut, The Pity Party, Little Fish, The White Stripes, Big Business, Two Gallants, Lightning Bolt, The Ting Tings, The Black Box Revelation, Satyricon, The Black Keys, Tenacious D, Simon and Garfunkel, Hall & Oates, Johnossi, The Pack A.D., Air Supply and Royal Blood. When electronic sequencers became widely available in the 1980s, this made it easier for two-member bands to add in musical elements that the two band members were not able to perform. Sequencers allowed bands to pre-program some elements of their performance, such as an electronic drum part and a synth-bass line. Two-member pop music bands such as Soft Cell, Blancmange, Yazoo and Erasure used pre-programmed sequencers." In fact, this shows why it is easier to have two-person bands when electronic music is involved. As Chubbles stated, electronic music is music made using electronic musical instruments. It isn't necessary to require a band to be analog.

3) The proposal referenced a particular naming convention, but the moves do not follow from that naming convention. Dekimasuよ! 08:26, 29 July 2018 (UTC)

• Comment. Reply to Dekimasu: I'm not saying a two-member band is incorrect but it's just less preferred compared to duo. Musical ensemble#Two parts says two-member rock and pop bands are relatively rare and they are mostly rock and pop groups not electronic music duos that are the subjects of these move discussions. Wikipedia's preference is usually the one most commonly used. Bands play musical instruments unlike electronic musicians who use digital audio workstation (DAW) to produce their music. DAW is not a musical instrument but a computer software. As for the naming convention, it did say to use either "(band)" or "(duo)" when the musical ensemble is a duet, as in duo for the duet and band for others. That precisely supports my argument so I'm not sure why you said "the moves do not follow from that naming convention". The editor whose username is Z0 08:49, 29 July 2018 (UTC)
• Comment the discussion for the general issue of whether electronic duos are accurately described as bands seems to be coalescing at Talk:The Ghost (Faroese band). Chubbles (talk) 10:41, 29 July 2018 (UTC)
• Oppose. The use of "band" as the disambiguator for duos is not deprecated by WP:BANDDAB, and the definition of the word "band" does not exclude duos. Nowhere in Wikipedia policy is it required that a title has to clarify how many members a band has — there's no requirement to dab a three-member band as "trio" instead of "band", or a four-member band as "quartet", or a five-member band as "quintet". The purpose of a page title is to give the article a unique and non-conflicting name, not necessarily to start packing in extra bits of information beyond what's necessary to give it a unique and non-conflicting name. (By the same token, we don't disambiguate Montreal Canadiens as "(hockey team)" just because some readers might not already know that it's a hockey team just by seeing its name alone — it's not in conflict with any other topic, so its title doesn't need to convey any additional information beyond its proper name.) Bearcat (talk) 18:23, 5 August 2018 (UTC)

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See Wikipedia talk:Naming conventions (music)/Disambiguation#"band" preferred to "duo". Andrewa (talk) 02:09, 6 August 2018 (UTC)

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