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==Wholesale revision required== |
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I entered this page expecting/hoping to learn something about North Sea Oil and Gas. The whole page, particularly the timeline paragraphs (before and after 1964) is of inferior quality, hardly worthy of Wikipedia's high standards. It is so badly written that it requires wholesale revision, grammar included, with correct salient facts being included.[[User:Colin marks|Colin marks]] ([[User talk:Colin marks|talk]]) 07:29, 7 January 2009 (UTC) |
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I agree. There seemed to be something wrong with the annual UK oil production figures so I changed to cubic metres so I could understand it. There was a discrepancy of 1000 in the bbl which I have corrected (assuming the original significant figures were correct). But I don't think that the UK got much beyond the 140×10<sup>6</sup> m³ (900 million bbl) per year that it had in 1985. (see http://dieoff.org/page180.htm.) |
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Is the closing statement of the section on "Reserves and Production" for the UK wholly accurate? With the recent statements by a certain Major claiming they will increase production over the next 5 years by 100% is there a revision required? --[[User:HallowedHawk|HallowedHawk]] ([[User talk:HallowedHawk|talk]]) 11:30, 12 December 2016 (UTC) |
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==Question== |
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Does anyone have any knowledge on why North Sea oil is better than Gulf oil? Joe (14, Cheltenham, UK) |
Does anyone have any knowledge on why North Sea oil is better than Gulf oil? Joe (14, Cheltenham, UK) |
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It has a lower sulphur content (and so is called "sweeter"). It is also "lighter" than much Gulf oil (meaning a higher proportion of petrol versus say bitumen) but there is quite a wide variation in Gulf oils and some of them are fairly light and fairly sweet.--[[User:BozMo|BozMo]] [[user talk:BozMo|talk]] 10:37, 22 May 2006 (UTC) |
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:Well, we're talking about eaverages here, but there are very high quality crudes in the Gulf (like Saudi Extra Light), and there are heavy crudes in the North Sea (but they are not that many). North sea oil is "better" from a political point of view (security of supply), it is controlled by polically stable countries, and not submitted to OPEP quotas. Also, it is close from large consuming countries (UK, Germany, France, Benelux, Scandinavia) , so transport costs are small. But this is not that important, the cost of transport is a small part of the total price of oil. --[[User:86.73.20.77|86.73.20.77]] 23:29, 11 December 2006 (UTC) |
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Because hurricanes don't hit the platforms? |
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1 - The off shore facilities are known as platforms, not rigs |
1 - The off shore facilities are known as platforms, not rigs |
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(some of them are rigs,.. at least those of us who work on them call them that, sometimes even when they are platforms. platforms tend to be set into the sea bed permanently, most other kinds are mobile) |
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2 - They don't float, but are attached to the ocean floor. |
2 - They don't float, but are attached to the ocean floor. |
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(they do.. see above. At least some do, these are called semi-submesible, other mobile types are jack ups and submersible) |
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3 - There should be a list of them here on Wikipedia |
3 - There should be a list of them here on Wikipedia |
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(if there is, you might want to take a look at it) |
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== North Sea Oil Map == |
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The map here appears to largely contain items owned/operated by Shell. There are many fields and pipelines missing. It also appears to mostly show just the UK Sector of the North Sea - there are no Norwegian and other fields. |
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== West Of Shetland == |
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Definite need for adding information about the developments WoS. |
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Comments on the above : |
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* "light sweet crude" - BozMo is entirely correct. The proximity of the oil to a major market and political stability have always been non-trivial considerations too. |
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* "hurricanes don't hit the platforms" - obviously written by someone who's never had to crawl across the helideck, clinging onto a safety rope and dragging one's baggage to get ''to'' work. More to the point is, North Sea platforms aren't evacuated during hurricane-force storms. |
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* Some platforms float, some are fixed, some float and are fixed (Hutton TLP). Not a very useful distinction. |
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* There is a list of fields. A list of drilling rigs (MODUs - Mobile Offshore Drilling Units) wouldn't be much use, as significant numbers move in and out of the area every year. (Some won't leave because they'd never be allowed back without extensive re-fit.) |
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Oh well, back to working on Ireland. |
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[[User:A Karley|A Karley]] 08:39, 13 July 2006 (UTC) |
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== Oil Fields Links == |
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From a quick survey of the oil fields hyperlinks, it appears that tey are quite random. |
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Forties - points to a page about 1940 decade |
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Buchanan - points to the page about the region, not the field.. |
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I think the links should be removed or pointed to stub pages on fields themselves. |
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Alexander |
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==Title of the article== |
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This article is named "North Sea oil", but it also about gas fields and gas production. Maybe it would be more correct to rename this article to "North Sea oil and gas"?[[User:Beagel|Beagel]] 16:14, 22 September 2006 (UTC) |
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:Seconded. - [[User:81.178.209.89|81.178.209.89]] 19:14, 27 March 2007 (UTC) |
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==List of pipelines== |
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I think it would be useful also to create a list of North Sea oil and gas pipelines connecting fields with inland systems.[[User:Beagel|Beagel]] 16:14, 22 September 2006 (UTC) |
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== Links to fields == |
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It seems sensible to have a standard form of article name for a field, eg Harding oilfield, Everest gasfield. In preparation for creating a page on Amethyst, I changed the other longer link to a simple Amethyst gasfield. |
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[[User:Glom|Glom]] 09:45, 30 March 2007 (UTC) |
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== Topics on Scotland? == |
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Funny how this article is listed as such given that nearly half the resources lay in English waters. Perhaps all part of the Scottish Nationalist agenda in claiming 100% of the gas and oil as Scottish, so they can complain about the English stealing the revenues..... [[User:86.17.211.191|86.17.211.191]] 00:32, 12 September 2007 (UTC) |
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:Um... yes, that is odd. The "Topics on Scotland" tab should be removed, maybe replaced with "Topics on the United Kingdom". |
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[[User:WikiReaderer|WikiReaderer]] 19:12, 28 October 2007 (UTC) |
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Unless the English-Scottish maritime border has been changed so that it is now coming out of Aberdeen, I'm not sure how you could possible justify the claim that "50%" of the oil and gas is English. <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/94.174.180.40|94.174.180.40]] ([[User talk:94.174.180.40|talk]]) 12:26, 17 January 2012 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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== Buzzard not the largest == |
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"The largest field discovered in the past 25 years is Buzzard also located off Scotland, found in June 2001 with producible reserves of almost 64×106 m³ (400m bbl) and an average output of 28 600 m³ to 30 200 m³ (180,000-190,000 bbl) per day." |
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There are several Norwegian oil fields that are much larger, that have been discovered the last 25 years. One of them found in the last three years (3 billion barrels reserve). [[User:Jørgen88|Jørgen88]] ([[User talk:Jørgen88|talk]]) 18:40, 21 August 2012 (UTC) |
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Wholesale revision required
[edit]I entered this page expecting/hoping to learn something about North Sea Oil and Gas. The whole page, particularly the timeline paragraphs (before and after 1964) is of inferior quality, hardly worthy of Wikipedia's high standards. It is so badly written that it requires wholesale revision, grammar included, with correct salient facts being included.Colin marks (talk) 07:29, 7 January 2009 (UTC)
I agree. There seemed to be something wrong with the annual UK oil production figures so I changed to cubic metres so I could understand it. There was a discrepancy of 1000 in the bbl which I have corrected (assuming the original significant figures were correct). But I don't think that the UK got much beyond the 140×106 m³ (900 million bbl) per year that it had in 1985. (see http://dieoff.org/page180.htm.)
Is the closing statement of the section on "Reserves and Production" for the UK wholly accurate? With the recent statements by a certain Major claiming they will increase production over the next 5 years by 100% is there a revision required? --HallowedHawk (talk) 11:30, 12 December 2016 (UTC)
Question
[edit]Does anyone have any knowledge on why North Sea oil is better than Gulf oil? Joe (14, Cheltenham, UK)
It has a lower sulphur content (and so is called "sweeter"). It is also "lighter" than much Gulf oil (meaning a higher proportion of petrol versus say bitumen) but there is quite a wide variation in Gulf oils and some of them are fairly light and fairly sweet.--BozMo talk 10:37, 22 May 2006 (UTC)
- Well, we're talking about eaverages here, but there are very high quality crudes in the Gulf (like Saudi Extra Light), and there are heavy crudes in the North Sea (but they are not that many). North sea oil is "better" from a political point of view (security of supply), it is controlled by polically stable countries, and not submitted to OPEP quotas. Also, it is close from large consuming countries (UK, Germany, France, Benelux, Scandinavia) , so transport costs are small. But this is not that important, the cost of transport is a small part of the total price of oil. --86.73.20.77 23:29, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
Because hurricanes don't hit the platforms?
1 - The off shore facilities are known as platforms, not rigs
(some of them are rigs,.. at least those of us who work on them call them that, sometimes even when they are platforms. platforms tend to be set into the sea bed permanently, most other kinds are mobile)
2 - They don't float, but are attached to the ocean floor.
(they do.. see above. At least some do, these are called semi-submesible, other mobile types are jack ups and submersible)
3 - There should be a list of them here on Wikipedia
(if there is, you might want to take a look at it)
North Sea Oil Map
[edit]The map here appears to largely contain items owned/operated by Shell. There are many fields and pipelines missing. It also appears to mostly show just the UK Sector of the North Sea - there are no Norwegian and other fields.
West Of Shetland
[edit]Definite need for adding information about the developments WoS. Comments on the above :
- "light sweet crude" - BozMo is entirely correct. The proximity of the oil to a major market and political stability have always been non-trivial considerations too.
- "hurricanes don't hit the platforms" - obviously written by someone who's never had to crawl across the helideck, clinging onto a safety rope and dragging one's baggage to get to work. More to the point is, North Sea platforms aren't evacuated during hurricane-force storms.
- Some platforms float, some are fixed, some float and are fixed (Hutton TLP). Not a very useful distinction.
- There is a list of fields. A list of drilling rigs (MODUs - Mobile Offshore Drilling Units) wouldn't be much use, as significant numbers move in and out of the area every year. (Some won't leave because they'd never be allowed back without extensive re-fit.)
Oh well, back to working on Ireland.
A Karley 08:39, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
Oil Fields Links
[edit]From a quick survey of the oil fields hyperlinks, it appears that tey are quite random. Forties - points to a page about 1940 decade Buchanan - points to the page about the region, not the field..
I think the links should be removed or pointed to stub pages on fields themselves. Alexander
Title of the article
[edit]This article is named "North Sea oil", but it also about gas fields and gas production. Maybe it would be more correct to rename this article to "North Sea oil and gas"?Beagel 16:14, 22 September 2006 (UTC)
- Seconded. - 81.178.209.89 19:14, 27 March 2007 (UTC)
List of pipelines
[edit]I think it would be useful also to create a list of North Sea oil and gas pipelines connecting fields with inland systems.Beagel 16:14, 22 September 2006 (UTC)
Links to fields
[edit]It seems sensible to have a standard form of article name for a field, eg Harding oilfield, Everest gasfield. In preparation for creating a page on Amethyst, I changed the other longer link to a simple Amethyst gasfield. Glom 09:45, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
Topics on Scotland?
[edit]Funny how this article is listed as such given that nearly half the resources lay in English waters. Perhaps all part of the Scottish Nationalist agenda in claiming 100% of the gas and oil as Scottish, so they can complain about the English stealing the revenues..... 86.17.211.191 00:32, 12 September 2007 (UTC)
- Um... yes, that is odd. The "Topics on Scotland" tab should be removed, maybe replaced with "Topics on the United Kingdom".
WikiReaderer 19:12, 28 October 2007 (UTC)
Unless the English-Scottish maritime border has been changed so that it is now coming out of Aberdeen, I'm not sure how you could possible justify the claim that "50%" of the oil and gas is English. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.174.180.40 (talk) 12:26, 17 January 2012 (UTC)
Buzzard not the largest
[edit]"The largest field discovered in the past 25 years is Buzzard also located off Scotland, found in June 2001 with producible reserves of almost 64×106 m³ (400m bbl) and an average output of 28 600 m³ to 30 200 m³ (180,000-190,000 bbl) per day."
There are several Norwegian oil fields that are much larger, that have been discovered the last 25 years. One of them found in the last three years (3 billion barrels reserve). Jørgen88 (talk) 18:40, 21 August 2012 (UTC)
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