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== KKK and ABB == |
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== Sarah Page, the 17-year-old white elevator operator == |
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Three links which are of historical relevance are: |
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Sarah Page was in fact 21 years old. Ref: https://www.centerforpublicsecrets.org/post/the-notorious-sarah-page [[Special:Contributions/92.12.213.166|92.12.213.166]] ([[User talk:92.12.213.166|talk]]) 14:12, 10 July 2023 (UTC) |
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:There is no other substantiation of this; Most sources, including Wikipedia, say she was 17. Doubtful that the above link is considered a trusted source. Wikipedia has a newspaper clipping that says 17.[[Special:Contributions/2601:645:4300:EE90:405C:C41F:FF4F:4A73|2601:645:4300:EE90:405C:C41F:FF4F:4A73]] ([[User talk:2601:645:4300:EE90:405C:C41F:FF4F:4A73|talk]]) 22:41, 10 October 2023 (UTC) |
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::"Most sources, including Wikipedia, say she was 17" oh well then. [[User:Herostratus|Herostratus]] ([[User talk:Herostratus|talk]]) 06:17, 11 October 2023 (UTC) |
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::On the other hand, the Center for Public Secrets is definitely on a crusade. If there was some reason for them wanting to present the person as 21 instead of 17 (which I suppose is possible... maybe to present her as a grown woman who ought to be able to handle things like this and is liable as an adult for her actions and was more likely to have been deliberately evil rather than just scared, or whatever), then I wouldn't trust them not to. That's in addition to not knowing how rigorous their fact-checking is, thus simple error is also a possibility. [[User:Herostratus|Herostratus]] ([[User talk:Herostratus|talk]]) 15:27, 11 October 2023 (UTC) |
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tulsa_Benevolent_Association |
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It's really just a simple question of the facts. And the evidence. The above mentioned article includes photos of a newspaper notice, marriage documents and a gravestone, each one of which is good rock-solid evidence. The obvious fact is that she was 21 not 17 as mis-reported at the time and repeated ever since. Probably best to change the text to 'reportedly then aged 17 but in fact 21' with a ref to the above. <!-- Template:Unsigned IP --><small class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/88.106.7.105|88.106.7.105]] ([[User talk:88.106.7.105#top|talk]]) 16:09, 12 October 2023 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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:OK. Reasonable point. We do have people whose birth date is disputed -- Gene Tierney, Sonny Liston, Stan Kenton, Jackie DeShannon, many other I'm sure. The usual solution is we usually say "December 7, 1942[refs] or December 7, 1943[refs]". If we're stone cold sure that we know the date but that's there's a false date floating around, we would be like "December 7, 1942[Note A]" and Note A would explain the situation. Or maybe no note, just explain the situation in the body text. (And leave a hidden note for future editors, and/or possibly a FAQ note on the talk page.) |
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:For the latter, we need to have good refs for 21, and have no good refs for 17. For the former, we'd need to have good refs for both. |
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:I don't consider the Center for Public Secrets reliable. I personally consider Find A Grave reliable for pictures of headstones (but little else), but the Wikipedia considers Find A Grave unreliable for everything, as the content is user uploads and there's zero fact-checking (and the photographer could have the wrong person, or even in theory be deliberately hoaxing). We'd need a photo from Tulsa government or the ''Tulsa Globe-Democrat'' or something like that. |
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/African_Blood_Brotherhood |
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:So you're going to need to find some better refs. What you have isn't even worth a note. I have insufficient confidence that the guy didn't just make it up or just heard it somewhere. [[User:Herostratus|Herostratus]] ([[User talk:Herostratus|talk]]) 18:45, 13 October 2023 (UTC) |
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=="The commission"== |
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Lead says "The commission" without context. --[[Special:Contributions/2001:1C06:19CA:D600:2A57:8028:8B22:2039|2001:1C06:19CA:D600:2A57:8028:8B22:2039]] ([[User talk:2001:1C06:19CA:D600:2A57:8028:8B22:2039|talk]]) 16:16, 23 October 2023 (UTC) |
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https://revolutionsnewsstand.com/2023/02/10/the-tulsa-riot-by-commander-tulsa-post-african-blood-brotherhood-from-the-crusader-vol-4-no-5-july-1921/ |
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== Wording == |
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The last paragraph of the [[Tulsa race massacre#Background|background]] section starts with: ''"[...] Tulsa also supported a large number of affluent, educated, and '''professional''' African-American residents"''. As a non-native speaker, I suppose this is meant to convey that they had expertise in their respective professional discipline, but I find the wording weird, it sounds like being black is a job in itself. Wouldn't ''"highly skilled"'' be a better wording? [[User:Pygy|Pygy]] ([[User talk:Pygy|talk]]) 07:31, 30 October 2023 (UTC) |
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The first link confirms that the KKK chapter in Tulsa was only founded in January 1922, seven months ''after'' the Tulsa riot/massacre. |
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The second two links concern the largely forgotten activities of the militant African Blood Brotherhood and its presence in Tulsa in 1921. |
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Buck Franklin in his autobiography confirms the presence of political agitators in Greenwood although he does not expressly identify them as ABB activists. [[Special:Contributions/89.243.78.236|89.243.78.236]] ([[User talk:89.243.78.236|talk]]) 13:25, 5 January 2025 (UTC) |
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[edit]Three links which are of historical relevance are:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tulsa_Benevolent_Association
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/African_Blood_Brotherhood
The first link confirms that the KKK chapter in Tulsa was only founded in January 1922, seven months after the Tulsa riot/massacre.
The second two links concern the largely forgotten activities of the militant African Blood Brotherhood and its presence in Tulsa in 1921.
Buck Franklin in his autobiography confirms the presence of political agitators in Greenwood although he does not expressly identify them as ABB activists. 89.243.78.236 (talk) 13:25, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
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