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Add subst: to /alert templates in the Templates section of contentious topic pages?

In the Template sections of the contentious topic pages for specific topics (example, they're all defined here) all of the /alert templates are templates that should always be substituted. I suggest those be changed to include the subst: so that people don't make the same mistake I did by just copy and pasting it.
It should be as easy as changing all 3 instances of {{tlx|Contentious topics/alert...}}} to {{tlxs|Contentious topics/alert...}}}.
I'm near certain this is an uncontroversial change that I could just request, but I'm asking here instead (without the edit request template) because these instructions are part of seemingly all WP:CT/... documentation/supplement pages. – 2804:F1...0C:E4C5 (::/32) (talk) 01:38, 1 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Done, thanks for the suggestion. SilverLocust 💬 09:15, 1 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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-== Searching for cases ==
+== Add subst: to /alert templates in the Templates section of contentious topic pages? ==
-The main ArbCom page needs a search field, to quickly access case history. Can someone well-versed in the case archival system please add that feature? — [[User:JFG|JFG]] <sup>[[User talk:JFG|talk]]</sup> 08:18, 20 September 2019 (UTC)
-:Have you seen the search options at [[Wikipedia:Arbitration/Index]]? [[User:GorillaWarfare|GorillaWarfare]]&nbsp;<small>[[User talk:GorillaWarfare|(talk)]]</small> 16:46, 20 September 2019 (UTC)
-:{{replyto|JFG}} Without having seen this comment, I added a direct link to the index in the hatnote at [[Wikipedia:Arbitration Committee]] the other day, and it is also linked in [[Template:ArbCom sidebar]]. Perhaps a link could also be added (along with one to the noticeboard) to [[Template:ArbComOpenTasks]]? [[User:Thryduulf|Thryduulf]] ([[User talk:Thryduulf|talk]]) 09:21, 3 October 2019 (UTC)
+In the Template sections of the contentious topic pages for specific topics ([[Wikipedia:Contentious topics/Armenia-Azerbaijan#Templates|example]], they're all defined [[Wikipedia:Contentious topics/topic specific standard templates|here]]) all of the {{tq|/alert}} templates are templates that {{tq|should always be substituted}}. I suggest those be changed to include the subst: so that people don't make the same mistake I did by just copy and pasting it.<br>
-== e-cigs discretionary sanctions ==
+It should be as easy as changing all 3 instances of {{tlx|tlx|Contentious topics/alert...}}} to {{tlx|tlxs|Contentious topics/alert...}}}.<br>
+I'm near certain this is an uncontroversial change that I could just request, but I'm asking here instead (without the edit request template) because these instructions are part of seemingly all {{tq|WP:CT/...}} documentation/supplement pages. &ndash; [[Special:Contributions/2804:F14:80E1:C301:CDBB:4420:8B0C:E4C5|2804:F1...0C:E4C5]] ([[Special:Contributions/2804:F14::/32|::/32]]) ([[User talk:2804:F14:80E1:C301:CDBB:4420:8B0C:E4C5|talk]]) 01:38, 1 December 2024 (UTC)
+:{{done}}, thanks for the suggestion. [[User:SilverLocust|SilverLocust]]&nbsp;[[User talk:SilverLocust|💬]] 09:15, 1 December 2024 (UTC)
-[[Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Editor conduct in e-cigs articles]] authorised discretionary sanctions for the e-cigs topic area, and [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Electronic_cigarette]] at least includes a note about them (in the middle of a sea of notices, but that's a separate issue). However, unless I'm being blind, they aren't included in the list at [[WP:DSTOPICS]]. I'm guessing this is just a simple oversight (as Wikiblame suggests they've never been listed) but figured it was better to check before adding them (especially as I don't want to accidentally get anything out of sync). [[User:Thryduulf|Thryduulf]] ([[User talk:Thryduulf|talk]]) 09:28, 3 October 2019 (UTC)
-:Sorry {{u|Thryduulf}}, I somehow missed this message. I actually noticed this myself a couple weeks ago - I was chatting to {{u|Bradv}} about it since he made the edit that introduced the list to the DS template, and he was saying the prose list isn't synced with the template for some reason. I (also) didn't want to go mucking about in a template I don't fully know how to operate, so I left it to him to fix when he has the chance. &spades;[[User:Premeditated Chaos|PMC]]&spades; [[User_talk:Premeditated Chaos|(talk)]] 23:57, 12 October 2019 (UTC)
-== User:Arbitration Committee/Emailnotice ==
-{{User|AGK}} has added extra material at [[User:Arbitration Committee/Emailnotice]] (the talk page redirects here). This extra material is also being shown to editors requesting oversight, via [[Special:EmailUser/Oversight]], and I think it's confusing to show it there. If someone with admin permissions agrees, could they replace the redirect [[User:Oversight/Emailnotice]] with a copy of the parts that are relevant to oversight? -- [[User:John of Reading|John of Reading]] ([[User talk:John of Reading|talk]]) 06:09, 12 October 2019 (UTC)
-:I agree with you, but none of that is quite right for Oversight. I'm not good at writing this sort of short and focused notice though, so I'll tag [[user:Risker|Risker]] who is better than me and also flag it up on the Functionary's email list. [[User:Thryduulf|Thryduulf]] ([[User talk:Thryduulf|talk]]) 22:34, 12 October 2019 (UTC)
-:Hello {{u|John of Reading}} - thanks for sharing your observation and thanks for the ping, {{u|Thryduulf}}.  I've edited the [[User:Oversight/Emailnotice]] to reflect information specific to the use of the Oversight "email this user" link, which should be more helpful. We may make some further tweaks if required based on discussion on the Functionaries mailing list.  [[User:Risker|Risker]] ([[User talk:Risker|talk]]) 03:23, 13 October 2019 (UTC)
-== Is the harassment RFC waiting on specific event(s)? ==
-I'm looking forward to the ''Fram''-ordered RFC on harassment, and wondering whether it's being held for a specific reason or whether it can go ahead? I have quite a lot I'd like to say about both organized and systemic harassment and how the community, admins, Committee, and Foundation tend to handle both. [[Wikipedia_talk:Arbitration_Committee/Clerks#Recommendation_for_the_harassment_RFC|I hope that the scope is broad]] enough to cover {{u|Swarm}}'s specific [[Wikipedia talk:Arbitration Committee/Noticeboard#Harassment|concerns about the harassment-related findings]] in that case and in general.
-Furthermore, is merely a clerk-run RFC really appropriate for an issue of this magnitude? The [[Wikipedia:Requests_for_arbitration/Palestine-Israel_articles#Working_group|Working Group established by the ''Palestine-Israel articles'' case]] seemed [[Wikipedia:Working group on ethnic and cultural edit wars/2008 report|profoundly productive and effective]] to me, and I think it's a shame the working group approach never was tried again. I suggest that the general issue of harassment is wide-ranging enough to be more amenable to such an approach. [[User:EllenCT|EllenCT]] ([[User talk:EllenCT|talk]]) 07:11, 13 October 2019 (UTC)
-== Does ==
-the ArbCom bother with acknowledgement letters/emails? Or, does the last iteration of OmbCom, seem attractive? [[User:Winged Blades of Godric|<span style="color: red">&#x222F;</span><span style="font-family:Verdana"><b style="color:#070">WBG</b></span>]][[User talk:Winged Blades of Godric|<sup><span style="color:#00F">converse</span></sup>]] 15:26, 13 October 2019 (UTC)
-:{{u|Winged Blades of Godric}}, we need to get better at acknowledgments. I, personally, am absolutely rubbish at them. Generally, I believe the committee has been doing ok at keeping up with mail, but I assume we've missed one of yours? I'll look for it. [[User:Worm That Turned|<b style="text-shadow:0 -1px #DDD,1px 0 #DDD,0 1px #DDD,-1px 0 #DDD; color:#000;">''Worm''</b>]]<sup>TT</sup>([[User talk:Worm That Turned|<b style="color:#060;">talk</b>]]) 09:38, 14 October 2019 (UTC)
-::Noted and thanks for your acknowledgement of my email; I look forward to a timely disposal of the issue ..... [[User:Winged Blades of Godric|<span style="color: red">&#x222F;</span><span style="font-family:Verdana"><b style="color:#070">WBG</b></span>]][[User talk:Winged Blades of Godric|<sup><span style="color:#00F">converse</span></sup>]] 14:06, 14 October 2019 (UTC)
-== Joe Roe / [[Wikipedia:Arbitration/Policy#Conduct of arbitrators]] ==
-Joe Roe has [[Special:PermanentLink/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:PermanentLink/921177050#COI|asked me to refrain from posting to their talk page and from triggering event notifications in their name]]. I was attempting to dialogue with Joe Roe regarding their interpretation of WP:COI and their application of it in regards to a recent RfA and attendant discussions. Although Joe Roe never indicated they were speaking in an arbitration capacity, I do feel that they remain accountable to reasonable inquiry on their participation, as an arbitrator’s contributions to any discussion of policy is generally seen to carry more weight and given deference. Accordingly, if a community member feels that an arbitration committee member is misreading, or misapplying policy, they are permitted to inquire with that committee member to resolve any potential misunderstandings on either side ([[Wikipedia:Arbitration/Policy#Conduct of arbitrators]]). If Joe Roe does not wish to engage with the community on their understanding and application of this topic, I respectfully submit that they should resign from the committee without delay. Failing that, I reserve the right to continue to hold Joe Roe accountable to the arbitrator conduct guidelines unless instructed to do otherwise by the entire committee or a community-imposed restriction.
-I assume Joe Roe is watching this page, however if someone feels they should be notified please do so. –[[User:xeno|<b style="font-family:verdana;color:#000">xeno</b>]][[user talk:xeno|<sup style="color:#000">talk</sup>]] 14:13, 14 October 2019 (UTC)
-:{{reply|Xeno}} it is because you have become ''absolutely'' overly invested in this RfA, and "even" arbitrators are entitled not to be [[WP:BADGER|badgered]] on their own talk; likewise [[WP:NOBAN]] is available to all and not limited by office. Incidentally, please see pots, kettels and their respective qualities of blackness. [[User:Serial Number 54129|<span style="color:black">'''——'''</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Serial Number 54129|<span style="color:black">''SerialNumber''</span>]][[User talk:Serial Number 54129|<span style="color:#8B0000">54129</span>]] 14:21, 14 October 2019 (UTC)
-::Thank you for the link to the essay, I will review it with an open mind. I’m here inquiring about policy.  That you feel this all turns on the result of a single RfA and not all candidacies indicates to me you do not appreciate the concern I am raising or my reasons for doing so. –[[User:xeno|<b style="font-family:verdana;color:#000">xeno</b>]][[user talk:xeno|<sup style="color:#000">talk</sup>]] 14:25, 14 October 2019 (UTC)