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: In Elbing, no German dialect was spoken for long.<ref>Mitzka, Walther. ''Grundzüge nordostdeutscher Sprachgeschichte''. N. G. Elwert Verlag, Marburg, 1959, p. 131 (originally: Max Niemeyer Verlag, Halle/Saale, 1937)</ref> |
: In Elbing, no German dialect was spoken for long.<ref>Mitzka, Walther. ''Grundzüge nordostdeutscher Sprachgeschichte''. N. G. Elwert Verlag, Marburg, 1959, p. 131 (originally: Max Niemeyer Verlag, Halle/Saale, 1937)</ref> |
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Per Ziesemer,<ref>Walther Ziesemer, ''Die ostpreußischen Mundarten. Proben und Darstellung'', Ferdinand Hirt, Breslau 1924, map ''Die ostpreußischen Mundarten'' ([https://dlibra.bibliotekaelblaska.pl/dlibra/docmetadata?id=11740&from=&dirids=1])</ref> in Elbing (and Pr.Holland, Marienburg, Freystadt) the [[High Prussian dialect|High Prussian]] dialect Oberländisch was spoken, while the Elbinger Höhe is north/north-east of Elbing (maybe see also [https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Datei:Elbing-K%C3%B6nigsberg1910.jpg this map]). Hence: Even though Mitzka's statement isn't wrong, it's unrelated as this article is about the dialect of the Elbingian Height (Elbinger Höhe) and not about the High Prussian dialect Oberländisch which was spoken in Elbing. |
Per Ziesemer,<ref>Walther Ziesemer, ''Die ostpreußischen Mundarten. Proben und Darstellung'', Ferdinand Hirt, Breslau 1924, p. 121 and map ''Die ostpreußischen Mundarten'' ([https://dlibra.bibliotekaelblaska.pl/dlibra/docmetadata?id=11740&from=&dirids=1])</ref> in Elbing (and Pr. Holland, Marienburg, Freystadt, Deutsch Eylau etc.) the [[High Prussian dialect|High Prussian]] dialect Oberländisch was spoken, while the Elbinger Höhe is north/north-east of Elbing (maybe see also [https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Datei:Elbing-K%C3%B6nigsberg1910.jpg this map]). Hence: Even though Mitzka's statement isn't wrong, it's unrelated as this article is about the dialect of the Elbingian Height (Elbinger Höhe) and not about the High Prussian dialect Oberländisch which was spoken in Elbing. |
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1882
- "The 1882 edition of dictionary of dialects Preußisches Wörterbuch includes Mundart der Elbinger Höhe using this wording."
- which is: H. Frischbier's Preußisches Wörterbuch: Ost- und westpreußische Provinzialismen in alphabetischer Folge, vol. I: A — K, Berlin, 1882
- Where? On p. XIV (section Abkürzungen) it mentions:
"Spook. Datt Spook. Mundart der Elbinger Höhe. Von D. Neue Pr. Prov.-Bl. IV 470 475 [Auch als Sonderabdruck im Verlage von Neumann-Hartmann in Elbing o. J. erschienen. Die Zahlen bezeichnen die Seitenzahlen der Prov.-Bl.]
So that's:
Mundart der Elbinger Höhe. Mitgetheilt von D. Datt Spook, in: Neue Preußische Provinzial-Blätter. Mit Beiträgen von [...]. Im Namen der Alterthums-Gesellschaft Prussia herausgegeben von Dr. A. Hagen. Jahrgang 1847. Juli – December. / Band IV., Königsberg, 1847, p. 470–475 ([2])
That's also mentioned elsehwere, e.g. in:
Twöschen Wiessel on Noacht. Plattdietsche Gedichte von Robert Dorr, Neumann-Hartmannsche Buchhandlung, Elbing, 1862, at the end at "In demselben Verlage erschien: [...]" ([3]) - Relevance? If Frischbier only cites the title of another work and doesn't write about a dialect or the classification of dialects, it has no scientific relevance, no scientific back-up. The author could have called it "Datt Spook in the best Prussian dialect" and in case of proper citing one would have to copy it, but that wouldn't mean it's really the best Prussian dialect.
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Elbing
From the article:
- In Elbing, no German dialect was spoken for long.[1]
Per Ziesemer,[2] in Elbing (and Pr. Holland, Marienburg, Freystadt, Deutsch Eylau etc.) the High Prussian dialect Oberländisch was spoken, while the Elbinger Höhe is north/north-east of Elbing (maybe see also this map). Hence: Even though Mitzka's statement isn't wrong, it's unrelated as this article is about the dialect of the Elbingian Height (Elbinger Höhe) and not about the High Prussian dialect Oberländisch which was spoken in Elbing.
--2003:DE:3700:672F:8567:9BE6:1822:E107 (talk) 01:36, 11 October 2023 (UTC)