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:::::They obviously think otherwise. In addition, if your claim is that Stepan Bandera was not Nazi collaborator, it is hardly tenable, as it was discussed here zillions of times. [[User:Ymblanter|Ymblanter]] ([[User talk:Ymblanter|talk]]) 11:29, 5 October 2024 (UTC) |
:::::They obviously think otherwise. In addition, if your claim is that Stepan Bandera was not Nazi collaborator, it is hardly tenable, as it was discussed here zillions of times. [[User:Ymblanter|Ymblanter]] ([[User talk:Ymblanter|talk]]) 11:29, 5 October 2024 (UTC) |
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::::::This is different topic. Now, what else is here regarding the original research introduced? [[User:Manyareasexpert|ManyAreasExpert]] ([[User talk:Manyareasexpert|talk]]) 11:37, 5 October 2024 (UTC) |
::::::This is different topic. Now, what else is here regarding the original research introduced? [[User:Manyareasexpert|ManyAreasExpert]] ([[User talk:Manyareasexpert|talk]]) 11:37, 5 October 2024 (UTC) |
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:::::::I have removed the description of being a "nazi" since clearly the source didn't say that [[User:Tristario|Tristario]] ([[User talk:Tristario|talk]]) 23:35, 5 October 2024 (UTC) |
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June 2024 edit war on misleading categories
@AHI-3000, you are again pushing misleading categories with edit war [1], [2] . Since you expressed disagreement with reporting this issue to admins, let's try to resolve it here first. Do you agree your edit to be reverted and discussed first, in accordance to WP:CONS? Thanks! ManyAreasExpert (talk) 21:03, 22 June 2024 (UTC)
- Bandera suffered a martyr's death and now he is a national hero in a part of Ukraine, that is, more precisely, a semi-national hero. Salisbury Spire (talk) 08:01, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
- I am not sure what you want to say, but per WP:RUSUKR new users may not discuss the Russia-Ukraine conflict. Ymblanter (talk) 19:47, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
- Could you specify the requirements to the commenters? Is it 4 days and 10 edits, or something else? Yet another painter (talk) 13:37, 24 July 2024 (UTC)
- 30 days and 500 edits. And not to be a sock of a blocked user. Ymblanter (talk) 19:58, 24 July 2024 (UTC)
- Could you specify the requirements to the commenters? Is it 4 days and 10 edits, or something else? Yet another painter (talk) 13:37, 24 July 2024 (UTC)
- I am not sure what you want to say, but per WP:RUSUKR new users may not discuss the Russia-Ukraine conflict. Ymblanter (talk) 19:47, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
Bandera`s letter to Adolf Hitler
The phrase “On June 23, 1941, one day after the German attack on the Soviet Union, Bandera sent a letter to Adolf Hitler arguing the case for an independent Ukraine” has no reference. The two references provided in the next sentence do not contain any evidence of the existence of such a letter. I suggest deleting this sentence or adding the necessary reference. 178.54.169.188 (talk) 09:59, 6 September 2024 (UTC)
Le Monde an unreliable source
@Ymblanter, regarding your revert [3]. This is WP:OR. The source is not saying what you added to the article. There is no source for "as well as a Nazi". ManyAreasExpert (talk) 10:03, 5 October 2024 (UTC)
- I do not have access to the full article and can not verify your statement. However, you yourself in your (second) revert said that the sources are not reliable. Ymblanter (talk) 10:40, 5 October 2024 (UTC)
- The edit description says there are no reliable sources, and there are no reliable sources for the text added. LeMonde is here Stepan Bandera, the Ukrainian anti-hero glorified following the Russian invasion (archive.ph) and while it links the subject with Nazi Germany, to make conclusions such as in the text added is WP:OR. Also, please don't encourage people to use peoplesdispatch or such, per your revert. Editors are supposed to come to the talk page and reach consensus, even for LeMonde. ManyAreasExpert (talk) 10:47, 5 October 2024 (UTC)
- Right, and this is what you should have been done instead of your first revert. Ymblanter (talk) 10:53, 5 October 2024 (UTC)
- No, this is the responsibility of the editor insisting on the change - WP:CONS . Regardless, we discussed that at editor's talk page User talk:TruthfulSpeech#Nazi Stepan Bandera - ManyAreasExpert , where they provided no confirming quotes, yet continued insisting on their original research. ManyAreasExpert (talk) 11:00, 5 October 2024 (UTC)
- They obviously think otherwise. In addition, if your claim is that Stepan Bandera was not Nazi collaborator, it is hardly tenable, as it was discussed here zillions of times. Ymblanter (talk) 11:29, 5 October 2024 (UTC)
- This is different topic. Now, what else is here regarding the original research introduced? ManyAreasExpert (talk) 11:37, 5 October 2024 (UTC)
- I have removed the description of being a "nazi" since clearly the source didn't say that Tristario (talk) 23:35, 5 October 2024 (UTC)
- This is different topic. Now, what else is here regarding the original research introduced? ManyAreasExpert (talk) 11:37, 5 October 2024 (UTC)
- They obviously think otherwise. In addition, if your claim is that Stepan Bandera was not Nazi collaborator, it is hardly tenable, as it was discussed here zillions of times. Ymblanter (talk) 11:29, 5 October 2024 (UTC)
- No, this is the responsibility of the editor insisting on the change - WP:CONS . Regardless, we discussed that at editor's talk page User talk:TruthfulSpeech#Nazi Stepan Bandera - ManyAreasExpert , where they provided no confirming quotes, yet continued insisting on their original research. ManyAreasExpert (talk) 11:00, 5 October 2024 (UTC)
- Right, and this is what you should have been done instead of your first revert. Ymblanter (talk) 10:53, 5 October 2024 (UTC)
- The edit description says there are no reliable sources, and there are no reliable sources for the text added. LeMonde is here Stepan Bandera, the Ukrainian anti-hero glorified following the Russian invasion (archive.ph) and while it links the subject with Nazi Germany, to make conclusions such as in the text added is WP:OR. Also, please don't encourage people to use peoplesdispatch or such, per your revert. Editors are supposed to come to the talk page and reach consensus, even for LeMonde. ManyAreasExpert (talk) 10:47, 5 October 2024 (UTC)
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