User talk:ObserveOwl

Why you delete maps, bundles, gamemodes and queues on gorilla tag?

Like, why everything? I would've just cleaned it up and shortened it but not remove it all. I am aware that the wiki exists and is a much better place for this but please don't remove it all. Tyshkovsky (talk) 02:28, 14 October 2024 (UTC)

Hey @Tyshkovsky, I felt a bit bad removing it since I acknowledge that people spent time on it. I usually tilt towards retaining content on this encyclopedia. But draft reviewers would probably not accept it with that much information on it.

Firstly, the whole content was unsourced, failing the verifiability policy. I tried, but couldn't find a reliable source from the Wikipedia:WikiProject Video games/Sources list that I could cite to explain the maps or bundles in more detail. I only found some UploadVR pieces like this, which didn't provide a helpful overview on all of the game's maps.

Secondly, Wikipedia has a manual of style at Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Video games with details about how game articles should be structured. See this part, particularly the 7th and 8th points. If you take a look at an article about some video game on this list, you should notice that they don't have that much in-game information like maps beyond what is reported by reliable sources.

Thirdly, the bundles section kinda violated this part of a policy, which states, "An article should not include product pricing or availability information (which can vary widely with time and location) unless there is an independent source and encyclopedic significance for the mention, which may be indicated by mainstream media sources or books (not just product reviews) providing commentary on these details instead of just passing mention."

To clarify your point, I did keep some information about the gamemodes as a list on Gorilla Tag#Gameplay as they were explained by independent sources like this one from ESRB. This gameplay section also briefly explains that queues and maps exist with a few examples, just like how this source does. So I did try to retain the most I could. Feel free to ask more questions to me here, or to others at the teahouse. ObserveOwl (talk) 06:29, 14 October 2024 (UTC)

Sorry if I wrote too much, @Tyshkovsky. If you didn't read all that, what I said is that a lot of the details on the previous draft were not supported by reliable sources. From the sources that I found, I could only use some good coverage of the gamemodes and a few mentions of the maps and queues, which I kept on the gameplay section of the article. The bundles weren't mentioned by independent sources. ObserveOwl (talk) 17:23, 15 October 2024 (UTC)

David Lightfoot

Hello. I'm fleshing out David Lightfoot's article. I added prose (now archived) but still figuring out how to add the citations. Instructions would be welcome! This is my first time editing a Wikipedia page. Thanks! Betkala (talk) 19:29, 20 October 2024 (UTC)

Welcome, @Betkala! The method of inserting citations depends whether you are using the source editor or the visual editor. If you are using the source editor (which should look like this), there is some guidance at the page Help:Referencing for beginners, which includes a video tutorial. If you are using the visual editor (like this), Help:Introduction to referencing with VisualEditor/2 may be more helpful.

Be aware that Wikipedia has some standards for reliable sources as outlined by Wikipedia:Reliable sources. Check if what you are citing has been under some kind of academic peer review or newspaper editorial oversight, or the author of the sources you cite is a subject-matter expert who has written for reliable, independent publications in the relevant field.

For uncontroversial information, you are allowed to cite from sources by David Lightfoot himself as explained at Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons#Using the subject as a self-published source, but Wikipedia prefers independent sources for most of the articles. For example, he being "best known for his theoretical stance" would require an independent reliable source saying so.

Also, from a quick reading of the material you added (archived here), I can see that you've added some language like "More recently", which is relative to time and should be avoided (perhaps replaced by more precise dates). Avoid building your own interpretation of the sources that aren't explicitly stated by them (Wikipedia:No original research).

I hope this helps. This may seem a bit much, but feel free to ask me if you have more questions, or ask others at the teahouse. ObserveOwl (talk) 20:01, 20 October 2024 (UTC) (edited 20:10, 20 October 2024 (UTC))