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I made an update to the P-51 survivors page, adding an estimated number of airworthy aircraft. I did this as I wanted other users to be able to see this information without having to physically count every one (the Spitfire has this, for example.) I used the article itself as a source, and I counted 171 airworthy P-51s. [[Special:Contributions/155.186.59.95|155.186.59.95]] ([[User talk:155.186.59.95|talk]]) 04:11, 31 October 2024 (UTC)
I made an update to the P-51 survivors page, adding an estimated number of airworthy aircraft. I did this as I wanted other users to be able to see this information without having to physically count every one (the Spitfire has this, for example.) I used the article itself as a source, and I counted 171 airworthy P-51s. [[Special:Contributions/155.186.59.95|155.186.59.95]] ([[User talk:155.186.59.95|talk]]) 04:11, 31 October 2024 (UTC)
:There are numerous reasons as to why we cannot just use the article as a source. [[WP:WINARS|Wikipedia is not a reliable source]], and the list may be incomplete, outdated, or otherwise inaccurate. Counting the number of list entries, especially if the completeness or accuracy cannot be guaranteed, is also [[WP:OR|original research]]. We need sources which explicitly state the number of surviving aircraft if we are to include the figure in the article. Also, thanks for pointing out the issue on the Spitfire article, the content has been tagged as needing a citation and will likely be removed if no source is found. - [[User:ZLEA|<span style="color:#6B8E23">ZLEA</span>]] <sub>[[User talk:ZLEA|<span style="color:#6B8E23">T</span>]]</sub><span style="color:#6B8E23">\</span><sup>[[Special:Contributions/ZLEA|<span style="color:#6B8E23">C</span>]]</sup> 07:18, 31 October 2024 (UTC)
:There are numerous reasons as to why we cannot just use the article as a source. [[WP:WINARS|Wikipedia is not a reliable source]], and the list may be incomplete, outdated, or otherwise inaccurate. Counting the number of list entries, especially if the completeness or accuracy cannot be guaranteed, is also [[WP:OR|original research]]. We need sources which explicitly state the number of surviving aircraft if we are to include the figure in the article. Also, thanks for pointing out the issue on the Spitfire article, the content has been tagged as needing a citation and will likely be removed if no source is found. - [[User:ZLEA|<span style="color:#6B8E23">ZLEA</span>]] <sub>[[User talk:ZLEA|<span style="color:#6B8E23">T</span>]]</sub><span style="color:#6B8E23">\</span><sup>[[Special:Contributions/ZLEA|<span style="color:#6B8E23">C</span>]]</sup> 07:18, 31 October 2024 (UTC)

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CS1 errors

Just a heads up, your recent aircraft-related edits (example) have been mass-adding CS1 errors (specifically Category:CS1 errors: unsupported parameter‎) to pages, because the |aircraft type= parameter is somehow getting added to the citation templates instead of the infobox. Seems to be some sort of JWB fail. :Jay8g [VTE] 06:59, 7 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Jay8g Thanks for letting me know. I think I reverted all the problematic JWB edits, but feel free to revert any I might have missed. It seems I failed to consider that some of the old infobox parameter names are commonly used by other templates. As a workaround, I can instead add the old parameter names to the new infobox to avoid messing with common parameter names within articles. I'll work on updating the template and JWB preset tomorrow. - ZLEA T\C 08:28, 7 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Mil ko-10

you are wrong, according to the register, mi-10 has not been flying since 2009 JustasIn (talk) 17:06, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

JustasIn We have a source confirming that the Mi-10K was still flying as late as 2014. I think you might be mistaking the original Mi-10 variant for the type as a whole. - ZLEA T\C 17:10, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
all aviation lovers know that not a single mi-10(k) is flying, you are just spreading bad information JustasIn (talk) 06:08, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I am an aviation lover, so evidently not all of us know this. - ZLEA T\C 15:57, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Maybe you're not a true aviation lover. Sadly, I'm apparently not one either. Carguychris (talk) 14:35, 22 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
After reading the source a bit closer, I do see that it says "The last helicopter has mothballed in 2009." However, this is referring to the Mi-10 variant, not the Mi-10 type (which includes the Mi-10K). - ZLEA T\C 17:14, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I have the entire registry of mi10k, not one of them has taken to the air after 2009 JustasIn (talk) 06:05, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
JustasIn Where can I find this registry? If it meets the WP:RS criteria, then we can update the article. Otherwise, we will continue to use what actual reliable sources say. - ZLEA T\C 15:57, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Longterm solution to sock

We're both aware of the IP sock/meatpuppet problem at List of equipment of the Kosovo Security Force. I'm inclined towards requesting a one or two year semi-protection at RPP but wanted to run it by you first. My only concern is that it serves as something of a DUCK filter, inclining me towards leaving it open to simplify SPIs. If you have any thoughts, let me know. Thanks for covering that page and others! ~ Pbritti (talk) 19:14, 21 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Pbritti RPP sounds like the way to go. I have lost faith in SPI's ability to deal with IPs, so I'm open to whatever solution will actually help fix the problem. - ZLEA T\C 19:23, 21 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
My estimation is that we need at least four more CU and a couple SPI clerks on top of that. Will kick it over to RPP upon next disruption; feel welcome to beat me to the punch. ~ Pbritti (talk) 01:30, 22 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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A huge thankyou

Thanks for your support on the Carvair article. I was going to leave it there, but then you came back with WP:AIRMOS which I had not seen before. That has given me much to think about, including the possibility I need to revisit about 200 previous edits and bring them up to a higher standard. So half of me wants to curse you too!

You are a star!

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You're very welcome. It's not uncommon (it's actually expected) for newer editors to miss the various MOS pages, especially the WikiProject-specific pages. No one is expected to know all the guidelines from the start. Even I still learn something new about guidelines every now and then after seven years. - ZLEA T\C 01:12, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Template:McDonnell Douglas aircraft

Why did you put the 188 and 210 in different categories in the newly reorganized template and omit the 188E? All are based on the Bréguet 941, but the 188E and 210 were substantially redesigned, and none of them were actually built. Carguychris (talk) 22:20, 7 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Carguychris From what I understand, the baseline 188 was not intended to be an airliner, but feel free to correct me if I’m wrong. The omission of the 188E from the airliners section was simply an oversight. Although the 210 was not built, I included it in the section as most of the other unbuilt McDonnell and MD aircraft were included in their respective sections as well. - ZLEA T\C 22:41, 7 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
OK, checked the Francillon book, and it actually doesn't say what use the 188 was being proposed for. It's more specific about the 188E and 210, mentioning that they were designed as airliners and were promoted more heavily, which makes sense given that the 188/941S was relatively small. I'm OK leaving the 188 where it is, but I split out the 210 in the template so as not to suggest that it was a minor variant of the 188E or a rename; specs indicate it would have been a much larger aircraft with little in common other than layout. Carguychris (talk) 15:49, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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E-130

Thanks for adding the non-sequential section on the E-designations navbox. I really wasn't sure what to do with it, hence my edit summary. I swear, the Air Force Department must be hiring straight out of kindergarten. I didn't think it could get worse after the OA-1K. Makes me afraid for what's next. BilCat (talk) 03:42, 25 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Unfortunately, it's no longer just the Air Force. The E-130 is a Navy designation. - ZLEA T\C 16:16, 25 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The Air Force Dept approves the designations. BilCat (talk) 05:16, 26 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
True, but the Navy's new designations had been more or less sequential until now. - ZLEA T\C 18:59, 26 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Hello, I'm 72.81.136.3. I noticed you reverted my edit because I didn't have a reliable source, so I was wondering if this site was reliable http://www.gonavy.jp/CV-CV09f.html. It covers Navy squadron deployments, aircraft carriers and carrier air wing deployments. So, if this is reliable can my edit be reverted back? Thank you. 72.81.136.3 (talk) 23:51, 30 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This looks like a self-published source. While this does not automatically make a source unreliable, I see no indication that the creator of this website is a subject-matter expert in this field, so I'm going to say it's probably unreliable. - ZLEA T\C 00:40, 31 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Would this site be reliable? https://www.seaforces.org/usnair/CVW/ATG-201.htm 72.81.136.3 (talk) 00:59, 31 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Once again, this site appears to be self-published by someone without any indication of being a subject-matter expert. You might want to try Wikipedia:The Wikipedia Library/Research desk. Perhaps someone there has access to a newspaper from the time or some other reliable source that contains the information you're looking for. - ZLEA T\C 03:19, 31 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Would this classify as a self published source? http://www.anft.net/vf-11/history.html If it isn't could you help find one? 72.81.136.3 (talk) 03:29, 31 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, that would be self-published as well. I'm afraid I do not have the time to hunt down sources for this, but there are several options you can do. First, you can ask the Wikipedia:The Wikipedia Library/Research desk if anyone there knows of sources that might have the information. Otherwise, you can also ask the creators of these websites where they got their information. Although none of them cite their sources, they might be able to point you in the right direction anyway. - ZLEA T\C 03:36, 31 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Reverted change

I made an update to the P-51 survivors page, adding an estimated number of airworthy aircraft. I did this as I wanted other users to be able to see this information without having to physically count every one (the Spitfire has this, for example.) I used the article itself as a source, and I counted 171 airworthy P-51s. 155.186.59.95 (talk) 04:11, 31 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

There are numerous reasons as to why we cannot just use the article as a source. Wikipedia is not a reliable source, and the list may be incomplete, outdated, or otherwise inaccurate. Counting the number of list entries, especially if the completeness or accuracy cannot be guaranteed, is also original research. We need sources which explicitly state the number of surviving aircraft if we are to include the figure in the article. Also, thanks for pointing out the issue on the Spitfire article, the content has been tagged as needing a citation and will likely be removed if no source is found. - ZLEA T\C 07:18, 31 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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