Talk:Western Armenia

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Naming

This region is named as Ottoman Armenia, even under Treaty of Sèvres. The content should be developed under Ottoman Armenia, not Western Armenia.--OttomanReference 16:41, 15 May 2006 (UTC)

The cultural history has Armenians in the Ottoman Empire page

The page is explains the subregion in Eurasia, To prevent FORKing, let us add cultural information under History of the Armenians in the Ottoman Empire. This way we can find this information easily. Thanks for your cooperation.--OttomanReference 14:19, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

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This article should be moved to "Ottoman Armenia" per Ottoman Greece et al.. There is no such thing as "Western Armenia". Armenia's borders are defined in UN maps quite clearly, and any Western Armenia should refer to the Western provinces of the Republic of Armenia as shown on UN maps.. Baristarim 07:19, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

As a Western Armenian I object. Western Armenians have their own dialect, traditions and culture and these are not Ottoman. There might be some validity in saying that "Western Armenia" is currently under occupation as its former inhabitants were deported/escorted/slaughtered/lying-about-being-slaughtered and have been living as a diaspora since. It's similar to the occupation of Palestine in that way, except that there are hardly any Armenians living on those lands now. If there is an Eastern Armenia, there is a Western Armenia. Today's Republic of Armenia covers most of historic Eastern Armenia. Hakob 01:16, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

So we can have East Turkestan but not Western Armenia? Nice try. ·ΚέκρωΨ· 16:48, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

I don't know about East Turkistan, I remember it redirecting to Xinjang. It must have been recreated as a disambig. Forget about my comments. I was thinking of Xinjang. However, it is a disambig all the same. This article is about a historic province of the Ottoman Empire. This article is just a reflection of an irredentist concept. The correct title should be "Ottoman Armenia" per "Ottoman Greece" et al. "History of Ottoman Bulgaria" et al. Well, Turks have also been living in those lands since 1071, so I am not quite following the other argument. Nobody is saying the word "Armenia" should be deleted, so don't jump the gun. However, Western Armenia is a political concept that is used even today. There is room for confusion. All the provinces articles for former empires follow a similar format. Like "British India. That's all. Baristarim 19:18, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

Here are tons and tons of sources for you. [1].--Eupator 20:44, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

Western Armenia is a political concept: If Baristarim explains what he/she wanted to say by "political", that would help us. There was no Armenian vilayet under Ottoman Empire. If "Armenian vilayet" was what he wanted to say. Armenians lived all over the Ottoman Empire, the highest amount (not ratio) was in Constantinople, surely it is not claimed by Armenians. Even today you can find Armenians under Bulgaria, Greece, etc. The political coverage of the concept was claimed in this article as; (the vilayets of Erzurum, Van, Bitlis, Diyarbekir, Kharput, and Sivas). The extend to six vilayets can be argued, however I'm fine with a note that, with a citation, these vilayets were claimed by the Armenian sources. Summary: I thought this article was a "historical subregion in Eurasia". Key terms: Historical (Ottoman Empire does not exist anymore). subregion (a geological concept) Eurasia (located between Europe and Asia). (PS:"tons and tons of sources" If Eupator looks at them, she/he can certainly recognize that there is not a definite construct among them. Some use for region, some use for political, some use for a nation. It is like a Joker in Poker). --OttomanReference 21:24, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

East Turkestan is as much a political concept as this is. If that stays, this does. ·ΚέκρωΨ· 06:58, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

redirect

Ottoman Armenia redirects to Armenians in the Ottoman Empire, and Ottoman Armenia is the same with Western Armenia according to the article. Probably this one should redirect there then as well, or Ottoman Armenia should redirect here. deniz^T_C 02:21, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

Apparently the content of this article is wrong. Whatever we have here should be merged with Armenians in the Ottoman Empire. Western Armenia is the notion used by contemporary Armenians for the eastern part of Turkey. It has some politicality. If we have some sources dealing with this 'phenomenon', then the article should stay and rewritten according to those sources. Deniz^T_C 23:00, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

Western Armenia is a popular term and should stay, with sources it would be more accurate. --Vonones 23:02, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

How is it used? Deniz^T_C 00:06, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

It is used linguistically and used to refer Turkish Armenia. As in Western & Armenian language, also see East Turkestan --Vonones 00:58, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

The article does not reflect that. Now, either we should rewrite it along the lines of the current usage (of course if it noteworthy, we don't have an extra article on how Turks refer to Yerevan or Mousul) or it should be redirected. Deniz^T_C 04:23, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

No it is used by Armenians and scholars to describe the East and West territories. The language is even different and it is stated in the article, "The distinct Western Armenian dialect of the Armenian language is spoken primarily in Turkey, the Levant and in the Armenian diaspora." --Vonones 22:02, 5 September 2007 (UTC)