User talk:69.106.253.165

Recategorization

Hi, welcome to Wikipedia.

While I appreciate the intent of what you've been doing, I am concerned at some of the edits that you have made. Here are some examples:

• As you can see from its infobox, Media Temple is in the business of web hosting, so rather than replacing Category:Internet hosting outright, you should have changed it to Category:Web hosting. The same for Moonfruit.

• • You've noted that Internet hosting was wrong. When correcting a wrong category I try to replace it with a correct category. I'm not concerned about "equivalent correct", just correct. So replacing an incorrect "internet hosting" with a correct "copmpanies" category: 1)is an improvement 2) does no damage. There is often more than one correct category that can be added - in this case "web hosting". But I'm only trying to remove errors, I don't want to spend time as a recatagolger for people who dump articles without much thought.

• • And, since I don't have the whole web catalog in my head (but I hope you find some of my changes to be good surprises) I sometimes replace an incorrect entry with one "high up" in a tree known to be correct.

• • And I sometimes make mistakes - as did the people making the initial entry. Hope is that improvements far outnumber mistakes.

• • Question: Do you really object to my one for one replacement?

• You should not have removed Category:Internet hosting from Telehouse Docklands. It is a colocation centre and thus a subset of internet hosting service.

• • I read the beginning of the colocation article. It states "Colocation is becoming popular because of the time and cost savings a company can realize as result of using shared data centre infrastructure." So I interpreted that as data (Web hosting) not ISP (internet hosting).

• There is no separate article for Qype.com as opposed to Qype. For that your category removal was over-strict and I have undone it. And why did you not feel it necessary to leave a comment, despite deleting four categories?

• • Looking at categories like "internet culture" there are almost no company entries. That seemed right to me and I assumed that company entries belong only in categories specific to companies (such as web hosting). So I changed internet culture and then the other 4. There is an edit comment on both, don't know what your question references.

• The Semantic Web is very much a part of the World Wide Web, and you should not have removed Category:World Wide Web from Category:Semantic Web.

• • I didn't remove it. Semantic Web is a project of W3C and a subcat of that. Many, many people believe that in addition to categorizing their wonderful article at a tree leaf they should also categorize it at the top of the tree. I disagree - and deleted many "World Wide Web" categorizations where a correct subcat was used. Semantic Web is one such case.

• A Turing Number is not a web browser, so Category:Web browsers is inappropriate; it should be in Category:Authentication methods.

• • I find this comment to be very interesting. Found this article with category "internet" - a vague, general, dump it here category and I moved it a lot closer to where it belonged, where someone knowing the subject could find it and get it exactly right. My category, Web browser, was a lot less inappropriate than internet!

• • The change was an improvement - right?

• You don't need to add comments into articles saying that you have removed certain categories. Edit summaries are sufficient documentation in most cases; and if you really need to go into more detail, that is what article talk pages are for. Cluttering up article source code with comments is a bad idea.

• • Edit summaries vanish, if someone thinks a category is missing do you really think they will read back though the edit histories ("do you think they will" is a different question from "do you think they should"). When deleting a category that seems obvious I've preferred to leave text where I know it will be found by someone considering adding that category back.

• • More generally, I've added a lot of comment text - mosly to category pages hoping that I won't have so many to correct in the future. (I didn't know what an "exploit" was - and you need to know when sorting out exploits!)

• You should also not have simply removed Category:Early computers from the CER model articles. Each of those models is an early computer, and should have been grouped in a new Category:CER computers as a subcategory of Category:Early computers. I have rectified this.

• • Did you see that"CER computer" is a list of all of them? So they weren't deleted.

• • Anyway, we agree the entries were redundant; you've chosen a different fix and done the work. I don't believe you've added any value. That's Wikipedia, the last person willing to do the work determines the result. I've probably made a hundred changes to Early computers over the last several years - consistent naming, deleting computers that weren't so early, ... recently linking mechanical and some others. Lots of room in the Wiki pool!

I am currently examining your editing history and will make other changes as necessary.

• • Will be interested in your comments. Appreciate the time you taken, hope you understand more as to what I was about. You haven't explicitly mentioned the split between internet and world wide web. I've tried to make them independent - the internet, per its main article, is the communications network, the web an application. Some things are so mixed that I categorized them both as intenet and web. That split does not reflect common usage - as noted in the variousb texts but either the topics are split correctly or the categories merged.

• • Thank for listening (reading).

69.106.253.165 (talk) 20:53, 1 December 2008 (UTC)

My requests to you are as follows: please slow down a little and be more cautious about removing categories; follow links from infoboxes to determine appropriate categories if necessary; and use article talk pages to discuss your changes.

Thank you. -- Earle Martin [^t/_c] 19:10, 1 December 2008 (UTC)

• • Oh yes, family trip - I'll be slowed down for the next tree weeks. 69.106.253.165 (talk) 21:00, 1 December 2008 (UTC)