User talk:Uanfala

Your protection, of a description of editors using a pejorative

What is your issue?  Did you look up the word before you restored it?  The word is talking about an editor, even if no specific editor was originally mentioned, and if you are reading the discussion, a specific case has been mentioned.  And no, it doesn't change the conversation unless changing to a neutral point of view is a change.  Why are you getting involved?  Unscintillating (talk) 19:36, 2 October 2017 (UTC)

It's my revert of this edit that is under question here, right? Hmmm... I'd imagine you know better than me that we don't generally mess about with other people's talk page comments unless there is a good reason. I'm rereading the thread and I still don't see either a mention of a specific editor, nor any description or a hint that could possibly point in the direction of a specific event. Has there been some recent piece of megadrama that everybody knows about and I don't? And even then, the misbehaving phrase is "boneheaded NACs": this is a description of an action (a NAC) rather than the editor(s) (if there are specific editors) who performed it; for example I don't consider myself boneheaded, even though, Gosh!, I've done quite a few boneheaded things. – Uanfala 19:52, 2 October 2017 (UTC)

First of all, headers are not subject to WP:TPO, partly because they create next-to-impossible-to-delete edit summaries.  You have a point that calling someone's closure stupid is not the same thing as calling an editor stupid.  But again, why are you defending the term?  Stupidity is not a civil metric for a closure, and it is not going to help the conversation.  Unscintillating (talk) 22:02, 2 October 2017 (UTC)

Well, given that no reference to a specific editor or event is to be found in sight, I simply don't see the point of trying to get one naughty word out of view. If you really insist on having it removed you can try to replace it with a word with a similar meaning in the context, like "obviously bad", and - to avoid the otherwise inevitable consequence of annoying the original poster - first ask them if they don't mind. Given that the heading has been around for a bit of time, if you change it you might also want to add the old one as an anchor so that links don't get broken. – Uanfala 22:22, 2 October 2017 (UTC)

If you look it up in Wiktionary, it is listed as slang.  IMO, you are defending verbiage.  As for the mention of a related case, look for the words, "This is a similar situation to the above, but the above was a clearly involved editor."  Unscintillating (talk) 23:54, 2 October 2017 (UTC)

sfnm

Hi Uanfala, I noticed you use sfnm. Brave. But I would worry that they would be hard to maintain when other editors less experienced might come and muck them up. I think it is perfectly practical to use <ref>{{sfn}}; {{sfn}}</ref>. All that complexity doesn't seem worh the trouble. Just a thought. Cheers, Kautilya3 (talk) 21:25, 7 October 2017 (UTC)

Ah, yes. I loved this template when I saw it, but it definitely complicates the code. I'm tempted to suggest that it might actually be a good idea to have the code complicated, to make up for the beguiling simplicity of the topic, but that isn't really going to work. I'll let that stay for a day or two and unless a better solution turns up, I'll change these to <ref>{{harvnb}}; {{harvnb}}</ref> (I don't think {{sfn}} works within ref tags). – Uanfala 21:39, 7 October 2017 (UTC)

Oh, yeah, right. ref-harvnb does the trick. Loved those Ig Nobel Prizes. May be we should shoot for one! Cheers, Kautilya3 (talk) 19:04, 8 October 2017 (UTC)

Wallah

Hello
Thanks for clearing up the mess I made with these pages. Must have been near my bedtime! I had thought, where the article said that "Wallah" was a surname, that there would be some biography pages for notable Wallahs, but I couldn't find any. Anyway, my apologies, and thanks, Swanny18 (talk) 11:31, 16 October 2017 (UTC)

No problem, this happens to me too. And the article is really unclear, I think it needs some decent reworking (and possibly merging with -wal). – Uanfala 11:41, 16 October 2017 (UTC)

MOS:DABMENTION

You mentioned in project talk that you believe this guideline is often misinterpreted and that "There are all manner of cases where it's acceptable to include a term when it doesn't itself appear in the target article." I didn't want to disrupt the discussion over there, but was hoping you could explain that a little further. I usually consider having a topic at least mentioned somewhere on the wiki to be an absolute minimum requirement for inclusion on a dab page. These pages are supposed to guide the reader to an article that has information on the topic they wanted, so why would we link them to an article that says nothing about it? -- Fyrael (talk) 20:02, 19 October 2017 (UTC)

One, there's alternative (or obsolete or informal...) spellings (or romanisations): it would generally be silly to include all variants in the article (esp. if the variation is trivial or predictable) and nonetheless including the alternative spelling on the dab page is something few people would object to. A slightly murkier area is relevant foreign names: for example Aloo contains an entry that say the term means "potato" in many South Asia languages: this entry gives the reader everything they needed to know, they're unlikely to click through to the generic article on potatoes and it's immaterial whether that article mentions aloo or not. And there are other instances where the dab entry contains all the information we currently have on a topic, though this can be more controversial. For example, I think it's pretty harmless to include entries about currently redlinked, but otherwise notable, places linking to the area the place is part of (as in Fooo, a village in Ba District). And if there are for example two villages in two different places with the same name and we only have content on one of them, I think we definitely should include an entry for the other one: whether mentioned somewhere or not, the entry at least signals the existence of this place so that the reader looking for the Foo village will know that the one we currently happen to have an article about might not necessarily be the one they need.

All in all, a strict and literal application of DABMENTION presumes an absolute division between pages that have content (articles) and pages that solely help with navigation (dab pages). This is mostly the case, and there are all manners of good reasons for that, but I don't think the boundary between the two types of pages can absolutely always remain impermeable. Otherwise I agree that DABMENTION usually is the absolute minimum: there's all kinds of stuff that is mentioned but that isn't worthy of inclusion in a dab page. – Uanfala 21:02, 19 October 2017 (UTC)

Isn't that Aloo example exactly what MOS:DABOTHERLANG says to avoid? From there:

Avoid adding foreign words or phrases that are merely translations of an English term. For example, do not include:

• Tambo, a Japanese word (田んぼ) for rice paddy

-- Fyrael (talk) 21:56, 23 October 2017 (UTC)

Most foreign-language terms for generic things shouldn't be included in dab pages. But some should be: if the foreign term is likely to be something a reader would encounter in the English-speaking world. Even if it weren't used generically in South Asian English, aloo would probably qualify as it's found in the names of so many dishes. – Uanfala 22:16, 23 October 2017 (UTC)

Disambiguation page

Just FYI, regarding Jatt, using the presence or absence of a particular category to determine whether a particular page is a dab is an obsolescent technique, and there is no guarantee that dab-fixing tools will not recognize this as a disambiguation page in the (near) future. --R'n'B (call me Russ) 15:05, 20 October 2017 (UTC)

Ah, thanks for the heads up. Will in the future the tools be looking for {{Disambiguation}} in the wikitext of the page? I assume the dab template will continue to work as it does now and place the page into a category, because that category is used for tracking dab pages for the article alerts. – Uanfala 20:49, 20 October 2017 (UTC)

Hindustan disambugiation page

I had to undo a few of your edits to the disambiguation page for Hindustan. Please let me know if the page needs more changes. I am invariant under co-ordinate transformations (talk) 02:54, 27 October 2017 (UTC)

One of them just undid your and my edits and has been edit warring on the main page as well. I've stopped for now but am considering alternate actions. The discussion pages only get responses once in a blue moon or even ignored, but if you have any advice to offer, it could be appreciated.--NadirAli نادر علی (talk) 03:50, 27 October 2017 (UTC)

NadirAli, you see, you've received a reply on the article's talk page a few hours after posting there. That article appears relatively well watched, so you can expect enough participation for a discussion. Also, a general piece of advice: before making any major changes to an article, it's always a good idea to have a look at the talk page: the matter might have already been discussed before (as it has in this case). – Uanfala 10:26, 27 October 2017 (UTC)

Fundamental metric tensor, I'm not sure I see what you were trying to do there. Were you reverting all edits that stood in the way of getting to NadirAli's previous edit, which is what seems to be the one you wanted to revert? Well, in that case, you can simply go whatever old revision of the page you want to restore, click "Edit" and then click "Save": this will save you having to make a large number of reverts (which send a lot of notifications). Also, when taking the initiative to restore an old version of a page, I think it's generally expected that you will try to incorporate any intervening good edits to it. – Uanfala 09:46, 27 October 2017 (UTC)

Just noting that I mostly agree with your edit and the dab page is now in an overall better shape. – Uanfala 09:48, 27 October 2017 (UTC)

A beer for you!

Hey, congratulations on finally winning the Saraiki battle! Kautilya3 (talk) 14:15, 30 October 2017 (UTC)

Ah, I could do with a pint! Thank you for weighing in though! – Uanfala 20:23, 30 October 2017 (UTC)

You worked hard for this and opened some eyes here, including mine. Cheers!  Paine Ellsworth  ^put'r there  13:52, 31 October 2017 (UTC)

Enjoy your pint!  — Amakuru (talk) 23:53, 1 November 2017 (UTC)

LX

I've semi pp'd your page for a little while as LX is being a nuisance now, more than usual I mean. If you don't want the protection then let me know or if I'm not around ask any other admin to remove it. cheers. —SpacemanSpiff 16:20, 1 November 2017 (UTC)

Just as a note, the time limit is currently set to indef. I can't say whether it's strictly unnecessary (certain people do tend to attract vandals) but it's certainly not "a little while". Primefac (talk) 17:02, 1 November 2017 (UTC) (talk page stalker)

Meh, it was meant to be 12 hours like I did on my talk page, changing now. —SpacemanSpiff 17:05, 1 November 2017 (UTC)

Cool. Reading back it sounds like there was a lot of sarcasm in my tone, but it was entirely curious and not querulous. Primefac (talk) 17:07, 1 November 2017 (UTC)

Thanks, I appreciate your ongoing help. The protection was a good idea, LX does become a nuisance sometimes (although I've never found his rampages offensive – for instance, his new-found penchant for referring to editors' "mummies" is somewhat endearing, isn't it?). – Uanfala 17:25, 1 November 2017 (UTC)

Your submission at Articles for creation: Rawi (Egyptian history Magazine) (November 7)

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• Clarkcj12, I think this message should be sent to the creator of the draft. All I've done about it is fix its broken AfD submission template, and I hadn't anticipated the script to pick me as the recipient of any submission-related communication. – Uanfala 18:51, 7 November 2017 (UTC)
• On a side note, as far as I can tell the article provides as much context as you could ever hope for in an article about an academic journal. If there's any potential problem with the draft, my opinion is that it could only have to do with establishing notability. – Uanfala 18:54, 7 November 2017 (UTC)

Hello

Hello there, i hope you're having a great day. First of all, i thank you for not deleting my page immediately. I had an incident with another user who claimed my native language is a hoax too, unfortunately I'm working on how to give reliable sources, since my language has been dying due to preference of the dominant languages of the region. (Also because my father died this month, that's why there are only 4 speakers and only 3 of us are natives),it was first spoken in turkmenistan, then turkey and now me and my mother are living in Mexico. Since I'm a native speaker i can of course provide all the information about it, I'm working on a dictionary for my language and i could upload a video of me speaking it if needed. Anyway, i was told my page was deleted before because i edited other pages using "blatant hoaxes" about my language, i understand i should not modify those pages without links and that's why i decided to make the page without any ties to other pages, i need this page to help me get a more detailed view of my language, if this doesn't convince you then give me at least some time to finish it, print it and afterwards delete it, but i want to document my language, it is important for me, i don't want it to die. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Aeþ Eźabrekın (talk • contribs) 14:34, 10 November 2017 (UTC)

Thank you for getting back to me, Aeþ Eźabrekın. I appreciate your effort to publicize the existence of this highly unusual language and I'm looking forward to seeing what the expanded article would look like, but to be honest it still looks as though it is a hoax. Has there really been nothing published about it at all? This is not by itself unusual for a newly "discovered" minority language, but then the article implies a long historical tradition, and it states for example that the language had a writing system in the 11th century. Where did you learn that from? – Uanfala 17:59, 10 November 2017 (UTC)

Reply to Uanfala about the arkhar language

I'm sorry for my late answer, but i was working and couldn't reply until now. I'm pretty sure there might be at least some uyghur scripts about us, since we borrowed their writing system. To be honest, i was only told my grandfather that our writing was ancient, but i have nothing to prove it, i could modify that if needed or delete that part, because i'm not sure myself if it was done at that century or not, anyway, the dates are indeed after the uyghurs had their alphabet, so it sounds logical to me. I could search for resources in uyghur this month, i have a kind of decent knowledge of the language, but i didn't have enough knowledge to search for my language in uyghur.

EDIT : i've read about G3 for "Pure vandalism and blatant hoaxes" and found out " Articles about notable hoaxes are acceptable if it is clear that they are describing a hoax." I was thinking that, for the sake of my language, and at the cost of my pride, could i delete all not verifiable historic information and write something like "the arkhar conlang" or something similar? i really need the page to keep existing, i've tried searching for resources and i've failed, all i can do is identify my page as a hoax (even if it is not) but clarify that in the main page, so that it could remain on the internet. these are my terms to avoid the deletion of my language's page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Aeþ Eźabrekın (talk • contribs) 02:29, 13 November 2017 (UTC)

Have a nice day. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Aeþ Eźabrekın (talk • contribs) 17:24, 12 November 2017 (UTC)

Request

Please stop following my edits around, I'm sure you mean well, but it feels like WP:STALKING. Störm (talk) 11:38, 19 November 2017 (UTC)

Sorry, I'm just monitoring Wikipedia:WikiProject Pakistan/Article alerts. Did you get the impression that I'm following you around because I've just declined two of your speedy deletion nominations? Anyone else would have declined these too (you had already nominated them at AfD, and A7 is only for articles without any credible claims of significance), so if you'd like, I could try to leave such procedural actions for other people to do. – Uanfala 11:45, 19 November 2017 (UTC)

Uanfala , Please make Corrections to Punjab , KPK and Balochistan Populations as well , there are Fake fig in there Population status as well, I will provide url links , Thanks.Kash201313 (talk) 13:14, 24 November 2017 (UTC)

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Disambiguation

Hi Uanfala, You suggested adding category tags to redirect pages, so I've given it a go. I read a bunch of help pages and edited Five star. There are a bunch of redirect pages with different spellings, so I tagged most of them with {{R from alternative spelling}} and one of them with {{R from CamelCase}}. Could you please give a quick glance at what I did on this page and let me know if it is correct? Thanks for your help, Leschnei (talk) 01:00, 7 December 2017 (UTC)

Hi Leschnei. I'm afraid I'm not the best person to help with that: for me the whole redirect categorisation business still looks like an arcane art. For more meaningful feedback you can ask at the talk page of WP:RCAT. Now, looking at the Five Star redirects, I can say that I mostly agree with your tags. Five-star should be {{R from modification}} rather than {{R from alternative spelling}}, and similarly Five Stars seems better placed in {{R from plural}} and {{R from other capitalisation}}. And yes, redirects can have more than a single category: 5-star for example would ideally have {{R from alternative spelling}} and {{R from plural}}. You can make stacked rcat templates look prettier by putting them inside {{Rcat shell}}.

You can read more about the various rcats at Wikipedia:Template messages/Redirect pages. Does it all seem sort of over the top? It seems so to me: frankly, I don't see the purpose of most of these categories, though there probably is a good rationale behind each one. There's one respect in which they're important though: most of these templates sort the redirect, directly or indirectly, into either Category:Unprintworthy redirects or Category:Printworthy redirects. The distinction between the two is whether they'll show up in a printed index of wikipedia – hardly relevant in this time and age, but they have now been co-opted into determining whether the redirects would be shown in the search box drop-down suggestions (so for example redirects that are tagged with {{R from misspelling}} will not be displayed). And yes, there's the potential use of the several dab-specific redirect categories for indicating that the redirect intentionally points to the dab page (though I don't think that at present this makes any practical difference anywhere). Anyway, if you enjoy tagging then go ahead and have fun, but if you don't, then don't worry about it. – Uanfala (talk) 02:06, 7 December 2017 (UTC)

Thanks for your suggestions; I'll go through them to see if I can make sense of them and make changes, as needed. I agree with you on the fuzziness of categorization - I've avoided it for the most part because I can never figure out how to determine the appropriate categories for any given article. I mostly leave it to people whose minds work that way, but every once in a while I think that I should try to understand it better. I appreciate your very thorough response. Leschnei (talk) 02:16, 7 December 2017 (UTC)

Please comment on Talk:Fatima

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Citations on Khai khrop

Hello Uanfala - in response to the message you left on my talk page: I am not going to insert Wikipedia-style citations in Khai khrop. I patrol a lot of articles and I do not know anything about Khai khrop. I much prefer fixing and adding references in subjects I know in areas of Canada, sports, and others. I happened to encounter the article because it appeared in a list of New Articles that needed checking.

Also, I suggest you read Wikipedia:Citing sources, especially the sections starting at Wikipedia:INLINECITE and WP:CITESTYLE if you have not done so already. If you don't feel qualified to add citations and references (it's not difficult to learn) then please leave the tag for somebody else to find, and to thereby improve the quality of the article. Thank you, PKT(alk) 16:44, 7 December 2017 (UTC)

Trouted

Whack! You've been whacked with a wet trout. Don't take this too seriously. Someone just wants to let you know that you did something silly.

You have been trouted for: deliberately copying and pasting text twice in Hurst Castle. It's not helpful and disrupts other editors. Hchc2009 (talk) 13:34, 8 December 2017 (UTC)

Ah, so that's what the IP had done! Sorry, I just had a knee-jerk reaction to the labelling as vandalism of an edit that seemed, in the diff window, like the addition of a perfectly decent text. 13:40, 8 December 2017 (UTC)

No prob's. I've made exactly the same mistake with diff windows myself in the past...! Hchc2009 (talk) 13:45, 8 December 2017 (UTC)

Please come and help...

Should MoS shortcut redirects be sorted to certain specific maintenance categories? An Rfc has been opened on this talk page to answer that question. Your sentiments would be appreciated!  Paine Ellsworth  ^put'r there  17:32, 14 December 2017 (UTC)

Thanks for the heads up, but I'm not that involved in rcat stuff, so the issue there is a bit too arcane for me. – Uanfala (talk) 19:15, 14 December 2017 (UTC)

S'okay, thank you for your candor and Happy Holidays!  Paine  10:54, 16 December 2017 (UTC)

Template:Challenge Advisory

Hi, in response to your edit summary (huh?) yes it was a bit of an odd one, but clearly not meant to be a template which is why I marked is as a "test" (the editor was obviously trying to create a draft/article), and I would suggest a template should not be a redirect to an article as you have made it? Cheers, Melcous (talk) 13:50, 19 December 2017 (UTC)

Well, my "huh" was more as a response to your use of WP:T2: at first sight it might appear that the precise speedy deletion criterion used doesn't matter, as long as some (specified or not specified) criterion applies. However, placing a CSD tag on a page using Twinkle has the side effect of leaving a message on the creator's talk page. In this case, the talk page message basically accuses them of blatantly misrepresenting policy (because that's what T2 is). Of course, the user wasn't anywhere near misrepresenting policy, and they will never understand why we're accusing them of this. The user will most probably just walk away form wikipedia thinking what a Kafqaesque place it is (let's leave aside the question of how accurate this perception will be: we want new users to first get hooked on editing and only then find out how horrible we can be as a community, no?). Now thinking of it, I think G2 is almost as bad: calling a full-fledged, well-written and decently referenced article an "editing test" is an insult.

Anyway, you could have used WP:G6, which covers pages in the wrong namespace. But that would have left them equally confused. If they're obviously trying to create a draft, then instead of shooting them dead, we could, well, help them create the draft. In this case, all it takes is to move the page into the appropriate namespace. However, it turns out the creator had started a new draft on the same topic. Redirecting to this new draft was the simplest course of action: if the draft is rejected it will ultimately get deleted per G13 and the redirect will then go more or less automatically. If the draft is accepted then will need to keep the older version in order to preserve attribution: in this case, the right thing to do would be a history merge. You've tagged this redirect with WP:R3: but that criterion doesn't apply: R3 is for redirects created as redirects, and not for pages with history: otherwise anything and everything could be speedied per R3 as long as it's turned into a redirect immediately before tagging. Now I see that this has been deleted, but it would have been deleted if you'd used any criterion really: the admin who did it does seem to have a habit for deleting anything regardless. – Uanfala (talk) 14:41, 19 December 2017 (UTC)

Please comment on Talk:Useful idiot

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Merry Christmas and Happy New Year

	Wishing you and yours a Merry Christmas and a happy, healthy and prosperous New Year 2018!
	Thank you for all the hard work and effort you put into Wikipedia. God bless! Onel5969 TT me 03:10, 22 December 2017 (UTC)

Thank you too, and happy holidays! – Uanfala (talk) 04:38, 22 December 2017 (UTC)

How to do I get self links

Hi Uanfala, Why what?, How do I get self links?

Please give me an instruction please?