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{{ping|X1\}} Both articles originally seem to have been copies of the biography section on Derkach's personal website, containing {{tq|content that is written like an advertisement}}, to quote one of the tags, and without any sources. I just Google-translated the Ukrainian article and noticed that it still looks very much like the biography on Derkach's website, and it still does not have any sources. Please, tell me which part of the text should be used to expand this article and whether there are any sources for it? [[User:Space4Time3Continuum2x|Space4Time3Continuum2x]] ([[User talk:Space4Time3Continuum2x|talk]]) 10:07, 17 December 2019 (UTC)
{{ping|X1\}} Both articles originally seem to have been copies of the biography section on Derkach's personal website, containing {{tq|content that is written like an advertisement}}, to quote one of the tags, and without any sources. I just Google-translated the Ukrainian article and noticed that it still looks very much like the biography on Derkach's website, and it still does not have any sources. Please, tell me which part of the text should be used to expand this article and whether there are any sources for it? [[User:Space4Time3Continuum2x|Space4Time3Continuum2x]] ([[User talk:Space4Time3Continuum2x|talk]]) 10:07, 17 December 2019 (UTC)
:{{re|Space4Time3Continuum2x}} well that is not good. Thank you for your review. My "expansion" was hopeful request in that I hoped there would be better RS there, but maybe 5P Ukrainian Wikipedians haven't been able to get to it, with the [[Russian military intervention in Ukraine (2014–present)]], Trump's attacks, intense internal issues, etc. I don't understand Ukrainian, and Google and Bing's translators all too often fall far too short for non-simple language translation. [[User:X1\|X1\]] ([[User talk:X1\|talk]]) 22:33, 17 December 2019 (UTC)
:{{re|Space4Time3Continuum2x}} well that is not good. Thank you for your review. My "expansion" was hopeful request in that I hoped there would be better RS there, but maybe 5P Ukrainian Wikipedians haven't been able to get to it, with the [[Russian military intervention in Ukraine (2014–present)]], Trump's attacks, intense internal issues, etc. I don't understand Ukrainian, and Google and Bing's translators all too often fall far too short for non-simple language translation. [[User:X1\|X1\]] ([[User talk:X1\|talk]]) 22:33, 17 December 2019 (UTC)

== Update RAO UES ==

At time of writing, this article talks about RAO UES in the present tense. The company was broken up and ceased to exist in 2010 as per RAO UES' Wikipedia page. Maybe an update is in order using a better source? The current FT article is behind a paywall and no longer resolves. [https://web.archive.org/web/20170321181240/https://www.ft.com/content/48368024-3c3c-11db-9c97-0000779e2340 | Archive link][[User:TMLutas|TMLutas]] ([[User talk:TMLutas|talk]]) 18:04, 15 December 2020 (UTC)

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Translation of parts of Netzwerke der Macht (networks of power)

Under (prime minister and president) Kuchma business and politics interpenetrated even more than in Russia. Clans, mostly regional cross-industry holding companies closely intertwined with the regional political elite, were formed that continue to exist to this day. Through a combination of lobbying, close cooperation with political parties and illegal appropriation via corruption networks, the owners of big corporations try to influence politics or become politically active themselves. Most notably, three main clans- consisting of various subgroups-have emerged.

Dnipropetrowsk clan

The "Dnipropetrowsk clan" -the historical home of CPSU secretary-general Leonid Brezhnev and Kuchma's political base - is made up of five groups: the Pintschuk group, the Derkatsch group, the Prywatbank group, the Kutmer group, and the Tymoshenko group …

The Pyntschuk group …

The Derkatsch group is led by Leonid Derkatsch, a longtime friend of Kuchma's, and his son, Member of Parliament Andrei Derkatsch. Leonid Derkatsch was formerly chairman of the Ukrainian Security Service and was fired by Kuchma in February 2001 in connection with the assassination of journalist Georgy Gongadze. Andrei Derkach heads the "Ukrainian Press Group" holding, which owns three daily newspapers, a TV guide, a business newspaper, and the "Wersii" website. He is also a member of the top executive body of the "Working Ukraine" party which was founded by Pinchuk (head of the Pinchuk group and second husband of one of Kuchma's daughters) and Derkatsch and is part of the Kuchma-friendly group "For a united Ukraine!". In addition, Andrej Derkatsch is a lobbyist for Russian companies in Ukraine belonging to the Russian aluminum group Sibirskij aljumij. He also maintains a good relationship with Anatolij Tschubajs, chairman of the Russian electricity monopolist JeES Rossii.

The most prominent member of the Kuchma group is former president Leonid Kuchma. Other members of the group include a number of former deputy prime ministers and ministers. The main task of the Kuchma group is to represent the interests of arms companies in eastern and southern Ukraine. The group also is in control of the space flight industry. The Ukrainian defense industry, on the one hand, has close ties to the Russian military-industrial complex, and on the other hand also competes with them on the world market. Space4Time3Continuum2x (talk) 17:47, 6 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Fork fight against corruption?

On Derkach's website he is listed under blogs with the caption Фуршетная борьба с коррупцией. In French, fourchette means "fork." Anyone know what this odd phrase (foorshetnaya fight against corruption) means? Space4Time3Continuum2x (talk) 18:00, 6 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Really - Gossip Girl?

Blogger Дима Фомин (Dima Fomin) using a picture of actor Desmond Harrington in season 2 of Gossip Girl (same blog page and at the top of the blogger's article, an attack piece on Vitali Klitschko). Space4Time3Continuum2x (talk) 18:28, 6 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Unsourced material

in "Career," "Parliamentary activity," "Public work," and "Honors and recognition" sections seem to have been taken from Derkach's personal website. Without secondary sources a lot of the content looks like self-promotional fluff that may need to be removed. Space4Time3Continuum2x (talk) 12:21, 7 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Tag asking editors to expand article with text translated from corresponding article in Ukrainian

@X1\: Both articles originally seem to have been copies of the biography section on Derkach's personal website, containing content that is written like an advertisement, to quote one of the tags, and without any sources. I just Google-translated the Ukrainian article and noticed that it still looks very much like the biography on Derkach's website, and it still does not have any sources. Please, tell me which part of the text should be used to expand this article and whether there are any sources for it? Space4Time3Continuum2x (talk) 10:07, 17 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@Space4Time3Continuum2x: well that is not good. Thank you for your review. My "expansion" was hopeful request in that I hoped there would be better RS there, but maybe 5P Ukrainian Wikipedians haven't been able to get to it, with the Russian military intervention in Ukraine (2014–present), Trump's attacks, intense internal issues, etc. I don't understand Ukrainian, and Google and Bing's translators all too often fall far too short for non-simple language translation. X1\ (talk) 22:33, 17 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Update RAO UES

At time of writing, this article talks about RAO UES in the present tense. The company was broken up and ceased to exist in 2010 as per RAO UES' Wikipedia page. Maybe an update is in order using a better source? The current FT article is behind a paywall and no longer resolves. | Archive linkTMLutas (talk) 18:04, 15 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]