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Case opened on 07:42, 30 March 2022 (UTC)

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Case information

Involved parties

Hurricane Noah (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
MarioProtIV (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
LightandDark2000 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
United States Man (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
Chlod (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
Elijahandskip (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
HurricaneCovid (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)

Prior dispute resolution

ANI post (permalink) by Compassionate727

Preliminary statements

Preliminary statements given in the case request stage may be found at /Preliminary statements.

Preliminary decision

Clerk notes

LightandDark2000 - your statement and its edit summary contain veiled aspersions at the filer of this case and other participants. Such behaviour is not acceptable at Arbitration - I would remind you to keep your statements related directly to the matter at hand, and avoid unproductive or personalised comments. Your pre-emptive request for a word limit extension is declined given that by your own admission you are unlikely to actively participate further in the case request. firefly ( t · c ) 10:08, 28 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Chess, I consider my involvement in the WPTC Discord to be minimal (most of it involves WPTC members who have decided that I should be pinged for every sockpuppet problem they come across, though I concede that I fussed at the members of the Discord for their the other day prior to this case request being filed). I am certainly not an "active participant". I do not believe that my involvement to date impacts my ability to remain neutral, though if the arbs feel differently I will recuse. GeneralNotability (talk) 01:27, 29 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Arbitrators' opinions on hearing this matter (10/0/0)

I'm tentatively inclined to accept. The private evidence combined with the note from TheresNoTime that multiple warnings were given and it seems no one is listening are a good basis to open a case. Best, KevinL (aka L235 · t · c) 06:17, 27 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
- Accept. KevinL (aka L235 · t · c) 23:47, 28 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  @Chess: We don't have an established formal path for asking for a clerk to recuse, but if you really want to submit such a request, you may do so via clerks-llists.wikimedia.org. Anyone wishing for an arbitrator (not a clerk) to recuse should follow the procedure at Wikipedia:Arbitration/Policy § Recusal of arbitrators. Best, KevinL (aka L235 · t · c) 02:49, 29 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I agree with Kevin. Primefac (talk) 06:43, 27 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Cabayi, the opening statement by Compassionate727 at the linked ANI thread pretty clearly states that a closed discussion was re-opened and then re-closed with a different outcome because editors on Discord decided amongst themselves that the discussion should not be closed in the original manner. See specifically Special:Diff/1078681645. Primefac (talk) 09:43, 27 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Accept per my previous. Primefac (talk) 11:38, 27 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I have been aware of this for quite some time, I logged on to the discord server to give a canvassing warning some months ago, which remained as a pinned post. I agree a case may be required, but equally, I am concerned about the scope. The server is out of our jurisdiction, for example, though we can accept private evidence regarding it Worm^TT(talk) 07:38, 27 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Accept. Noting (in response to Serial Number 54129) also that I do not believe that anyone needs to recuse over this case. We have a number of arbitrators who use discord on a different server. I do not believe any arbitrators have been involved in any of the discussions in question, except in a purely administrative capacity to warn the individuals in question. Worm^TT(talk) 18:56, 27 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@Chess, I strongly disagree that I have been involved in a conversational, non administrative role. It's easy to see all 4 posts I have made to the server, which I would rather not clutter this page with - but I will summarise. 1) "Hello" 2) A warning in July 2021 about canvassing - this was about 4 paragraphs long and has remained as a pinned post on the server since 3) In response to the ANI thread on 26 March (above) where I was pinged, I accessed the server for the first time since July and I made 2 posts within 2 minutes - each was based on a quick read of the situation at that time. First expressing my disappointment and deferring to TNT, who I believed was handling the situation. 4) Secondly in response to Hurricane Noah's request for a block specifically stating (on discord) that they were "falling on their sword". I pointed out that we fix forward on Wikipedia and quitting was not a noble act.

That is the sum total of my comments from my perspective, each made in a purely administrator capacity. Worm^TT(talk) 08:25, 28 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@Joe Roe, it appears we're fast on the way to opening the case, but I disagree that it should have the wider scope regarding Discord. Indeed, any such discussions regarding Discord as an off-wiki venue should be held by the community as part of wider discussions. It would only fall to Arbcom if the community were unable to handle such discussions, and I don't believe that's the case. Worm^TT(talk) 13:53, 28 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
"The server is out of our jurisdiction," but on-wiki decisions tainted by it may need to be nullified & the discussions re-run. I'd be swayed by evidence showing that any on-wiki discussions had been materially tainted by ~~collusion~~ exclusionary collaboration off-wiki. Cabayi (talk) 09:35, 27 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks Primefac. ∃>1 instance, ∴pattern of behaviour, Accept Cabayi (talk) 10:57, 27 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Aceept per Kevin and Prime. - Donald Albury 15:15, 27 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Accept --BDD (talk) 15:21, 27 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Accept given the previous warnings about canvassing suggesting an ongoing issue that needs examining and can only be done by ArbCom because of the offwiki evidence involved. TheresNoTime can I ask why you only blocked one of the two people coming out of that ANI? Barkeep49 (talk) 15:43, 27 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@Moneytrees: you are correct we're talking behind the scenes. I expect we will use what we did during the GSoW case which had a fair amount of private evidence as a starting point and make adjustments from there. As you can see here it is also possible for some evidence to be public. Barkeep49 (talk) 03:14, 28 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Joe if we do our job right (which is obviously no guarantee) I think the final decision in this case which will be useful to editors who frequent other Wikipedia related Discord servers in how to avoid certain issues. We can do that without making the scope as large as you suggest, and which is not supported by the evidence submitted to us or the public statements here. More generally, the Village Pump discussion you link to shows community consensus about this matter. I get that you think the consensus is there because of an ArbCom decision of long ago and that a new decision now could shift that consensus, but I don't see this committee overriding a community consensus in that way. I have some more thoughts I'll share at your user talk as well. Barkeep49 (talk) 14:55, 28 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Accept the off-wiki nature of this issue is exactly what makes ArbCom the appropriate body to deal with it. Beeblebrox (talk) 17:56, 27 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Accept per above. — Wug·a·po·des 20:44, 27 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Accept I just got back from a wikibreak for RL business, but having read this over now, I agree with the above as well. Opabinia regalis (talk) 07:00, 29 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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