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November 25

November 25, 2024 (2024-11-25) (Monday)

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Trump Charges Dismissed

Article: Indictments against Donald Trump (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ All remaining Federal criminal charges against US president-elect Donald Trump are dismissed. (Post)
News source(s): AP
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Article updated

Nominator's comments: Under normal circumstances I would not make or support this nomination. However, most of the indictments were posted on ITN against the very strong objection of some editors both on BLP grounds and the fact that it was contrary to our customary practice of only posting convictions. Under the circumstances, I think we need to take note of what is probably their final disposition. It is receiving front page coverage both in the US and abroad. -Ad Orientem (talk) 23:41, 25 November 2024 (UTC) -Ad Orientem (talk) 23:41, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

two wrongs don't make a right — hako9 (talk) 23:47, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
True, but this is probably as close as we can get. The indictments should never have been posted and it is my sincere hope that we never do anything like that again. -Ad Orientem (talk) 23:50, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose - consequence of a story we already posted, Trump winning the presidential election. The idea that a truly unprecedented event, a former president being indicted on criminal charges, should not have been posted is both a personal opinion and not relevant to whether or not this story should be posted. nableezy - 23:54, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) 2024 Sambhal Violence, Uttar Pradesh, India

Very tragic that at least four people have died. However, there seems to be no chance of posting this due to opposition on the basis of global significance. Bremps... 20:16, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: 2024 Sambhal Violence (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ At least 4 people died and 30 injuries(20 police), Violent clashes in Uttar Pradesh, India (Post)
News source(s): BBC Indiatoday Timesofindia Economic Times
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 Spworld2(talk) 17:04, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

changed RD box to normal ITN box --2600:1700:4579:B80:9D1C:5ECE:9EEB:47FD (talk) 10:36, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Oppose Without expansion, this seems like a small flare up in a country where such protests and conflicts are commonplace. --Masem (t) 13:25, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Sad to say but such violence and riots are common in India; additionally, it is a small flare-up with only 4 deaths, thus not not worthy of ITN The AP (talk) 13:29, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose per all above. Tragic, but commonplace in a country like India. _-_Alsor (talk) 14:30, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment Undecided on the nom but do we really need three comments belittling the world's largest democracy and trivialising the deaths as "only 4" in a "country like India"? AusLondonder (talk) 14:50, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    we are stating facts and not because it is “the world's largest democracy” we are not going to give it a special notoriety if they are recurrent events in that country. It is the same parameter we use to judge shootings in the United States or earthquakes in the Philippines. Since this is not a news-ticket portal, we should value it more for notoriety than for newsworthiness. _-_Alsor (talk) 14:58, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    WP is not a newspaper and not every event, even those involving deaths, necessary need coverage, much less inclusion on the main page. How likely is this going to have enduring coverage and not just a burst of news? — Masem (t) 15:23, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I am an Indian myself, and I don't find any interpretation of any comment that is "belittling" the "world's largest democracy." Even though the incident is tragic, it has a low number of fatalities; as such, I didn't find it worthy for ITN. Also to note - such incidents are common and recurring in India sadly so we can't possibly include each of them to ITN The AP (talk) 15:33, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Soft oppose I'm not seeing this being reported outside of Indian news sources. It's terrible that people have died, but I just don't think this is a major enough event to warrant ITN posting. Scuba 16:38, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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2024 Uruguayan general election

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Article: 2024 Uruguayan general election (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Yamandú Orsi and the Broad Front wins the runoff to the 2024 Uruguayan general election against Álvaro Delgado and the Republican Coalition. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Yamandú Orsi (pictured) is elected president of Uruguay
News source(s): Al Jazeera AP News
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The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.

Nominator's comments: I believe this is ITN/R as both a change in the president (according to AP News) and as the results of a general election. Please let me know if I'm missing something; thanks! Staraction (talk | contribs) 03:30, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Álvaro Delgado is a disambiguation link. I think you mean Álvaro Delgado (politician). 64.114 etc 04:00, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Fixed - thanks. Staraction (talk | contribs) 07:12, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Soft oppose the article only has a one sentence aftermath section and is mostly tables. It is ITN/R, so once that is cleaned up I'll change my vote. Scuba 16:37, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Breyten Breytenbach

Article: Breyten Breytenbach (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [1]
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Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

 – Plifal (talk) 17:04, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Soft support I only see one CN tag. Scuba 16:36, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support Properly cited. His works are their own citations. Bremps... 20:12, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Nominator's comments: Important anti-apartheid activist and poet laureate.

November 24

November 24, 2024 (2024-11-24) (Sunday)

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RD: Bruce Thompson (Georgia politician)

Article: Bruce Thompson (Georgia politician) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [2]
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Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

 – Muboshgu (talk) 17:56, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Barbara Taylor Bradford

Article: Barbara Taylor Bradford (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Times of India
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Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: British-American novelist Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 15:59, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Soft support: Adaptations uncited, two cn tags, and a bit of a prose problem, but otherwise the article looks fine. Scuba 16:35, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Rico Carty

Article: Rico Carty (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [3]
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Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

 – Muboshgu (talk) 17:04, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support article looks fine. Scuba 16:34, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

COP29

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Article: 2024 United Nations Climate Change Conference (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ COP29 concludes with an agreement on finance for developing nations to help them address and mitigate climate change. (Post)
News source(s): NYT, Reuters, BBC
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Article updated

Nominator's comments: Neither the conference nor our article seem impressive but we should consider the topic while we are planning to promote multiple motor racing events (1, 2, 3). It's certainly in the news and significant. Andrew🐉(talk) 09:24, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

What relevance do the Motorsports items have to this, beyond ye olde “sports r dumb” comment? The Kip (contribs) 09:43, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
They all use fossil fuels. The conference agreed a statement about transitioning away from fossil fuels despite opposition from countries like Saudi Arabia. Andrew🐉(talk) 09:54, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Ugh, this is irrelevant to whether this conference should get posted or not. We should be considering each event individually on their own merits. I am personally neutral on this nomination, as I do not know much about COP. Natg 19 (talk) 10:09, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
FYI, the similar COP28 conference was posted last year. See nomination. Andrew🐉(talk) 12:19, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Which at least was a commitment to direct action to reduce factors impacting climate change. Funding aspects like this year's is not a direct action. Masem (t) 16:29, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
So true dude... we should outlaw all motorsports because Palau said so or something idk. Scuba 18:43, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support: Article looks good and well cited. Moraljaya67 (talk)
  • Oppose on quality, at least. Article may be well sourced but is a mess in terms of tenses (a lot of future tense). In terms of significance, I'm not sure if this result is really as impactful as something like the Paris agreement to merit posting. --Masem (t) 13:30, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Oppose on quality per above. I'm neutral, leaning support on notability. The title really should be COP29 though, Climate Change has always and will always be brought here only to not be posted. Departure– (talk) 14:06, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Fixed the headline. Brandmeistertalk 14:17, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Chia-ying Yeh

Article: Chia-ying Yeh (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): China Daily
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Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Death confirmed today. Chinese-born Canadian poet and sinologist Greencarp (talk) 13:15, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support article properly cited. Scuba 15:16, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Ready) RD: Zvi Kogan

Article: Zvi Kogan (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Washington Post
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Death confirmed today. Article was just created. Needs expansion. Thriley (talk) 07:46, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support article looks good. Scuba 15:15, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support Article is in good shape with lots of sources. Z'L Pyramids09 (talk) 10:46, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support and marking ready. FlipandFlopped ツ 16:37, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support it would be a gimme if the title were "assassination of," as it should be. Scharb (talk) 17:57, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Fred R. Harris

Article: Fred R. Harris (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NYT
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: American politican from Oklahoma. Staraction (talk | contribs) 04:23, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support no problems with the article. Scuba 15:15, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support addressed a couple CN tags and reviewed the article; looks good. Tagging ready now. FlipandFlopped ツ 16:43, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

2024 World Rally Championship

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Article: 2024 World Rally Championship (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ In motorsport, Thierry Neuville (pictured) and Martijn Wydaeghe win the World Rally Championship. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ In motorsport, Thierry Neuville (pictured) and Martijn Wydaeghe win the World Rally Championship, while Toyota win the manufacturer's title.
News source(s): France 24
Credits:

Article updated
The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.

Nominator's comments: Looks like the article is good for posting. Moraljaya67 (talk) 04:19, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Support only as a separate blurb. This is WP:ITNR and meets article quality standards and so should be posted as a separate blurb- this is no different to having multiple election articles listed at the same time on ITN. This discussion isn't an appropriate place to try and re-write how ITN and ITNR nominations work, these 2 events are not related just because they both use cars. Joseph2302 (talk) 11:29, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Voicing quality concerns about how to better optimize the phrasing of blurb(s) is inappropriate to bring up in the discussion and voting section of those very same blurbs? ITNR means the event itself is notable enough to make it on the main page. How the article is blurbed and presented remains subject to community consensus, which entails room for disagreement without accusations of inappropriate behaviour. FlipandFlopped ツ 16:54, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
A combined mix of 2 not the same events is not the same as posting them separately which is what the ITNR nomination is for. Joseph2302 (talk) 18:23, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) Sara Duterte

non-admin closure WP:NOTNEWS i need to wait if there's will have a impeachment. Royiswariii Talk! 10:54, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: Sara Duterte (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ The Vice President of the Philippines Sara Duterte (pictured) causes outrage after claiming in a briefing that she had spoken to kill President Ferdinand Marcos Jr., First lady Liza Araneta Marcos and House Speaker Martin Romualdez if she were to killed. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Vice President of the Philippines Sara Duterte (pictured) under fire after allegedly revealing in a briefing if she had arranged and assassination of President of the Philippines Ferdinand Marcos Jr., First lady Liza Araneta Marcos and House Speaker of the Philippines Martin Romualdez if she were to die.
Alternative blurb II: ​ The Vice President of the Philippines Sara Duterte (pictured) faces criticism after reportedly admitting in a briefing that she ordered the assassination of President of the Philippines Ferdinand Marcos Jr., First lady Liza Araneta Marcos and House Speaker of the Philippines Martin Romualdez if she were killed.
News source(s): NBC, CNN and Reuters
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Nominator's comments: Just In that President Marcos Jr gave a official statement on Sara Duterte said (Source: GMA News) Royiswariii Talk! 04:52, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Strong oppose until this evolves into widespread protests, or a political crisis, or something beyond non-specific claims of "outrage". At least something with article to point towards, feigning the possibility of Duterte's death following these comments. Departure– (talk) 05:03, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Added bold formatting to bring all blurbs to ITN style. Departure– (talk) 05:05, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
check the alt blurb Royiswariii Talk! 05:29, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: Please note that it started on conflict of Marcos-Duterte on Investigation of War on Drugs in the Philippines of Former President Rodrigo Duterte. And in Mary Grace Piattos issue that possibly go on impeachment too (While I'm replying this, it's in the investigation of Quad committee of the Philippines). I can't remember other issues of Duterte-Marcos it's so many issues lol. Royiswariii Talk! 05:36, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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November 23

November 23, 2024 (2024-11-23) (Saturday)

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Disasters and accidents

  • Twenty-four people are killed and 46 others are rescued after two boats carrying 70 passengers capsize when the boats' engines failed in the Indian Ocean off the north coast of Madagascar. (BBC News)

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2024 Formula One World Championship

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Article: 2024 Formula One World Championship (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ In motorsport, Max Verstappen (pictured) wins the Formula One World Championship. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ In motorsport, Max Verstappen (pictured) wins the Formula One World Championship, while Thierry Neuville and Martijn Wydaeghe win the World Rally Championship.
News source(s): ESPN
Credits:

Article needs updating
The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.

Nominator's comments: May produce a combination blurb with the WRC. Unnamelessness (talk) 07:34, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support with conjoined F1-WRC blurb. Article should be OK too even without the prose on the latest race. Angusgtw (talk) 08:26, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Queston What's a WRC? HiLo48 (talk) 08:55, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@HiLo48: World Rally Championship. Personally I would not be in favour of a merge because they're 2 different types of motor racing. The C of E God Save the King! (talk) 09:05, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I fully agree. HiLo48 (talk) 09:10, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support article looks good. Scuba 15:14, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support combined blurb per Angusgtw. We should combine the entries for the F1 and world rally championship. FlipandFlopped ツ 07:12, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Must we run a photo of a Dutch and Belgian athlete in front of the British flag? How about we use something like instead? Bremps... 20:19, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Chuck Woolery

Article: Chuck Woolery (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/tv/tv-news/chuck-woolery-dead-wheel-fortune-love-connection-1236070165/
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Filmography needs sourcing. RachelTensions (talk) 06:05, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Soft support filmography needs sourcing, but other than that it only has two cn tags. Scuba 15:12, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

November 22

November 22, 2024 (2024-11-22) (Friday)

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(Closed) Russia launches ICBM/IRBM into Ukraine

Non-admin closure per WP:SNOW --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 00:41, 23 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: Oreshnik (missile) (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Russia launches a hypersonic projectile claimed to be an Oreshnik intermediate-range ballistic missile from Astrakhan Oblast in a conventional strike on Dnipro, Ukraine. (Post)
News source(s): Reuters
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Nominator's comments: Major escalation of Russian invasion of Ukraine. 219.74.216.56 (talk • contribs)
  • What exactly was launched is unclear, as we can't take Russia's own claims to their word, and more reliable sources says it wasn't ICBMs [5]. This is an escalation, but at this point, reasonably covered by the ongoing. --Masem (t) 17:03, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Strong oppose - this was NOT a nuclear warhead, and we have an article for the projectile - Oreshnik (missile). Let's not puff it up any more than it was. We didn't post Ukraine using West-supplied long-range missiles and Putin's nuclear threats that he always makes, so let's not post the use of Russia's shiny new toy. Also, you may want to use a template for future ITN submissions. Departure– (talk) 17:26, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Moved to a template. Departure– (talk) 17:32, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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2024 Kurram massacre

Article: 2024 Kurram massacre (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Gunmen attacked a large passenger convoy of vehicles in Kurram district of Khyber Pakhtunkhwa province of Pakistan, resulting in the death of 50 people and 30 injuries. (Post)
News source(s): BBC, Reuters, NY Times, VOA, APP, The Guardian, DW, AP
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 Ainty Painty (talk) 03:48, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Local leaders complaining of a lack of security, officials saying the death toll will rise, and the PM and President both commenting on the incident are not "fluff". The entire section is only 5 sentences long. Harizotoh9 (talk) 06:09, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I would expect a good reaction section not to be flooded with non-action statements of sympathy and anger, but actual steps towards action to investigate and make sure such events happen again, what they are doing for familes of the victims, etc. (eg: its far too easy for quote anyone with "thoughts and prayers" after a tragic event, that doesn't make for good encyclopedic content) — Masem (t) 13:19, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Sectarian nature makes it more relevant to mention in the headline.Sportsnut24 (talk) 10:15, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose on quality, support on notability the ongoing land dispute & sectarian conflict which is at the source of the attack needs to be fleshed out in the background section. As of now, all the article says is "Sunni and Shia Muslims are in conflict in the region over a dispute over land". That is nowhere near a sufficient explanation. We can't put an incomplete article on the main page. FlipandFlopped ツ 22:19, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
support I don't see the Quality problems that other voter are talking about, it looks fine to me. Scuba 15:11, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

November 21

November 21, 2024 (2024-11-21) (Thursday)

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RD: Alice Brock

Article: Alice Brock (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NBC News
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Article updated
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(Closed) Gautam Adani indicted

No consensus to post is likely emerge; some consensus that the entire topic is not even notable, however, might. SerialNumber54129 12:09, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Articles: Gautam Adani (talk · history · tag) and United States of America v. Gautam Adani et al. (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Indian billionaire Gautam Adani and his associates are indicted by federal prosecutors for bribing Indian Government officials and concealing the details from American investors. (Post)
News source(s): [7]
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 - Ratnahastin (talk) 07:27, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. Who is this guy? BilboBeggins (talk) 10:41, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose. There are lots of reasons why this isn't suitable for ITN. The case article - which should be the bold link - is a stub. This is a domestic case involving a private individual, very different from the ICC seeking a national leader. The case itself does not seem particularly significant, there are fraud and corruption trials all the time. The blurb is misleading, because it incorrectly implies Indian prosecutors, and isn't NPOV. Modest Genius talk 12:04, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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(Posted) New Lithuanian PM

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Article: Gintautas Paluckas (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Gintautas Paluckas is elected by the Seimas as the new Prime Minister of Lithuania. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Following parliamentary elections, Gintautas Paluckas is elected by the Seimas as the new Prime Minister of Lithuania.
News source(s): [8][9]
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Article updated
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Nominator's comments: ITN/R applies as the PM administers the executive branch (per here, and the posting of his predecessor), and since Paluckas was not previously mentioned in ITN. The results of the 2024 Lithuanian parliamentary election were posted from November 1st to 2nd, but that blurb mentioned Vilija Blinkevičiūtė as the leader of the winning party, and she unexpectedly chose not to become PM. 98.170.164.88 (talk) 01:49, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

FYI: Trump was posted as soon as he was called the winner of the US elections even though he wont take office until January. Prodrummer619 (talk) 11:18, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Jodi Rell

Article: Jodi Rell (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): AP News
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Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Connecticut governor; death announced 21 November. Staraction (talk | contribs) 00:36, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Decision needed) Bolsonaro indicted

Article: 2022 Brazilian coup plot (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Jair Bolsonaro and 36 others are indicted by Brazilian police for their roles in the attempt to overthrow the 2022 election, including the attempted assassination of Luiz Inácio Lula da Silva. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Jair Bolsonaro and 36 others are formally accused by Brazilian police for their roles in the attempt to overthrow the 2022 election, including the attempted assassination of Luiz Inácio Lula da Silva.
News source(s): CNN [AP News]
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Article needs updating

 Masem (t) 22:12, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Strong support on notability - Brazil's equivalent of Trump's indictment(s). No reason this should be treated any different... except maybe on quality, which I've no comment. Departure– (talk) 01:31, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Support A former world leader is being prosecuted from overthrowing democracy is definitely newsworthy. Rager7 (talk) 22:02, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
WP:SOAP thread — Knightoftheswords 13:44, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Oppose seeing as how Lula got out of prison based on the political whims of a judge and then ran for president again this doesn't really mean anything. Scuba 01:51, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
WP:SOAP. The Kip (contribs) 07:25, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Lula was sentenced by the same judge who would serve in the Cabinet of Jair Bolsonaro, if political bias has to be talked about at all. None of this is relevant to whether Bolsonaro's indictment is notable or not; it is and we posted the Lula developments back then as well. Personal judgments of political assesments by editors aside. Gotitbro (talk) 07:56, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support While this was only the first of Bolsonaro's coup attempts (followed by 2022–2023 Brazilian election protests, 2023 Brazilian Congress attack), he is more significantly involved here than the others and likely the only event he is to be charged for. Gotitbro (talk) 07:29, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support - Former major world leader has been indicted in criminal court, due one of the most significant events in recent Brazilian history. Very notable. PrecariousWorlds (talk) 09:23, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support, major political event. BilboBeggins (talk) 10:40, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) ICC arrest warrants for Benjamin Netanyahu, Yoav Gallant, and Mohammed Deif

Article: International Criminal Court investigation in Palestine (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ The International Criminal Court issues arrest warrants for Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, former Defense Minister Yoav Gallant, and Hamas leader Mohammed Deif in its investigation of war crimes in Palestine. (Post)
News source(s): The Guardian, NYTimes
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Article updated

Nominator's comments: We previously posted warrants being issued for Muammar Gaddafi and Omar Bashir and Vladimir Putin nableezy - 13:56, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support Since the arrest warrants of Putin and others' were posted, I think this should be posted too as it is about a incumbent Prime Minister. LiamKorda 14:12, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Strong support on notability, arrest warrants against world leaders have been posted before. Weak oppose on quality, the article isn't updated to where I think it should be to be posted. Besides that, otherwise it's well sourced. Departure– (talk) 14:15, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - an article has been made at International Criminal Court arrest warrants for Israeli figures. It's not protected yet, nor is it ITN quality, but it should be made the target. Departure– (talk) 15:48, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Absolutely no need for a separate article for the issuing of arrest warrants. It would have been far better to have an expansion of the ICC case. — Masem (t) 19:31, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support per norm. Scuba 16:07, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oops yeah, was intending to comment below. For clarity, Support posting this, too. AusLondonder (talk) 16:22, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) 2024 Laos methanol poisoning

Consensus to post will not develop. Stephen 21:53, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: 2024 Laos methanol poisoning (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Four tourists are dead and ten others injured from a suspected methanol poisoning in Laos. (Post)
News source(s): The AgeGuardian
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 GMH Melbourne (talk) 12:25, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Terrible event, yes, but there's not a high number of fatalities, and the fact that they are tourists does not make it more notorious or more special.
_-_Alsor (talk) 12:56, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Note that unfortunately the death toll is likely to rise as there are a number of people on life support. GMH Melbourne (talk) 13:03, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose Unfortunate event but death toll is low and seems to be more of a local news event. LiamKorda 14:13, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose on notability. This seems to be an incident of food poisoning the likes of which we've seen numerous times and are likely to see again. Not nearly as widespread or otherwise impactful as a contamination event should be to get posted; this seems to be restricted to a single hotel in Vang Vieng. Weak oppose on quality at the moment. Also, this nomination may be stale as the fatalities happened on 13 November, and this is likely to roll off the news cycle and ITN as a whole before notability gets demonstrated and quality improves. The oldest blurb is Justin Welby's resignation from 12 November. Departure– (talk) 14:21, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose. Tragic event, but accidents that cause four fatalities are sadly quite common. Even methanol poisoning isn't that unusual, see list of methanol poisoning incidents - and those are just the incidents that received media coverage and editor attention. The nationality of the victims has attracted media attention, but shouldn't affect our judgement of significance. I see no reason to treat this any differently than a traffic collision that caused four deaths, which would never be an ITN blurb. Modest Genius talk 15:21, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose routine accident/crime. not ITN worthy despite the tragedy. Scuba 16:06, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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November 20

November 20, 2024 (2024-11-20) (Wednesday)

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RD: Ursula Haverbeck

Article: Ursula Haverbeck (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): AP, DW, JTA
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Article updated
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 Count Iblis (talk) 10:11, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: John Prescott

Article: John Prescott (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC
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Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Former deputy PM of the UK. A few additional sources needed but it's not in terrible shape.  — Amakuru (talk) 07:48, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Slow day, huh? Weak oppose - updated for the death but has a few CN tags - there's another in the article's body on a negative claim about Prescott that really should be sourced or removed. Departure– (talk) 15:36, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support The article is good enough, except the one yellow tag. Rynoip (talk) 00:03, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support article isn't perfect but I think it is good enough. David Palmer//cloventt (talk) 00:43, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Admins willing to post ITN: looks to be ready. Abcmaxx (talk) 15:14, 23 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

November 19

November 19, 2024 (2024-11-19) (Tuesday)

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(Posted) 2024 Somaliland presidential election

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Article: 2024 Somaliland presidential election (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Opposition candidate Abdirahman Mohamed Abdullahi "Irro" (pictured) is confirmed to have won the 2024 Somaliland presidential election, beating incumbent President Muse Bihi Abdi. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Abdirahman Mohamed Abdullahi is elected President of Somaliland.
News source(s): [13][14][15]
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 Subayerboombastic (talk) 05:48, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: Somaliland is not fully internationally recognized as a sovereign state. Harizotoh9 (talk) 07:18, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Nor is Taiwan, but both are de facto independent and functioning democracies. I'm undecided whether that is sufficient to post, but it certainly isn't a clear-cut case. Modest Genius talk 12:11, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The argument for posting about elections in the Republic of China is entirely different than posting about elections in breakaway separatist republics. Scuba 16:26, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Isn't Taiwan a breakaway rebel province (PRC view) or the legitimate government (ROC view)? Howard the Duck (talk) 01:05, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Taiwan is much more recognized than Somaliland though. Harizotoh9 (talk) 13:42, 23 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose we don't post election results for unrecognized states like Transnistria, South Ossetia, Abkhazia (whose government was toppled 3 days ago). Scuba 16:25, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
WP:NOTFORUM. The Kip (contribs) 01:07, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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@Scu ba: Apples and pears, Somaliland isn't a puppet state propped up by a globe-threatening dictatorship. Abcmaxx (talk) 15:17, 23 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
True, it's just propped up by a region threatening dictatorship. Scuba 16:13, 23 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support ITN has posted election results from the SADR (Seems I misremembered? Regardless, the distinction for which nation we deem fine and not is quite arbitrary. Somaliland functions as a state with its own independent elections, it is not a micronation or an autonomous region in its current de facto state) and even subnational entities so I would say this is fine. I'm glad someone was able to nominate this, I intended to originally regardless. A change in government too, which is notable. The article looks fine to me. Ornithoptera (talk) 17:59, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: For the record, the 2021 Somaliland parliamentary election was not only nominated but also made it to the very top of the front page https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:In_the_news/Posted/June_2021 check June 6. Yes Somaliland is Unrecognized, but it is a fully functioning democracy same as Taiwan. In the past its articles have been featured and now should be no different. Somaliland is a free standing de facto state and articles from less independent states have been featured before, such as North Cyprus. Main point being there is precedent from their election in 2021 that they can be featured so I don't see any reason why they shouldn't be. Subayerboombastic (talk) 18:28, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support as per Modest Genius. Recognition isn't necessary for the election results to be significant enough for ITN. --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 00:58, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Diane Coleman

Article: Diane Coleman (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): New York Times
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Article updated
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Nominator's comments: American lawyer and disability rights advocate. Died on Nov 1. First reported November 19 here: National Council on Disablity 2024. TJMSmith (talk) 03:20, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Withdrawn) Undersea cables incident

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Article: Transatlantic cables incident (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ The Royal Danish Navy detains a Chinese vessel in the first enforcement action since 1959 of the Convention for the Protection of Submarine Telegraph Cables. (Post)
News source(s): [16]
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Article updated
 Nominator's comment: I threw this article on the 1959 incident together a few minutes ago after news of the Danish intervention broke; I believe it's in good shape but apologies for any errors or omissions due to haste Chetsford (talk) 00:50, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Strong oppose for now - the target should be 2024 Baltic Sea submarine cable disruptions or ideally Yi Peng 3, the ship detained. If something is conclusively proven and charged in a court of law or any escalations or developments to any of the numerous wars going on worldwide come of this, maybe I'll support, but for now it's equivalent to a marginally important arrest of a private individual and therefore not ITN-worthy. Departure– (talk) 01:08, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Withdraw as nom My apologies, I wasn't aware we had a 2024 Baltic Sea submarine cable disruptions article at all. Thanks to Departure– for pointing this out. Chetsford (talk) 01:10, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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(Posted) RD: Tony Campolo

Article: Tony Campolo (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): MSN
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Article updated
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Nominator's comments: American sociologist and Baptist pastor. Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 08:52, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support Article looks good. Except for like two sentences all other sections are cited well. Rynoip (talk) 22:37, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) Hīkoi mō te Tiriti

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Article: Hīkoi mō te Tiriti (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Hīkoi mō te Tiriti arrives at New Zealand's Parliament with over 60,000 people after 9 day journey to protest bill that would reform the Principles of the Treaty of Waitangi amid fears it would reduce Māori rights. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Hīkoi mō te Tiriti (pictured) arrives as the largest protest in the country's history at New Zealand's Parliament, protesting the bill that would reform the principles of the Treaty of Waitangi amid fears it would reduce Māori rights.
Alternative blurb II: ​ New Zealand witnesses the largest protest (pictured) in its history in response to a proposed bill that would reinterpret the Treaty of Waitangi.
Alternative blurb III: ​ New Zealand witnesses the largest protest (pictured) in its history in response to a proposed bill that would reform the principles of the Treaty of Waitangi.
Alternative blurb IV: ​ New Zealand witnesses one of the largest protests (pictured) in its history in response to a proposed bill that would reform the principles of the Treaty of Waitangi.
News source(s): 1news.co.nz
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  • Support the hīkoi is seven times the size of the notable 1975 Land March led by Dame Whina Cooper. Videos of MP Hana-Rwhiti Maipi-Clarke's haka in Parliament on the 14th, relevant to the hīkoi and the Treaty Priniciples Bill are already viral and in global news cycles. Ladygeekiness (talk) 01:53, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Link to Māori land march article for context. Schwede66 08:56, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support I disagree it's minor, it has made all major news outlets around the world even in non-anglophone countries, which usually pay very little attention to New Zealand and even less so to Maori issues. The lack of violence should not be a factor on notability. Abcmaxx (talk) 09:33, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    The barrier for inclusion in major news outlets is extremely low. That should not be used as a judgement of significance, because news reports events big and small. Masem (t) 13:00, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    That applies to domestic news though, if this protest was not notable nor impactful it would not have gathered so much global attention. Plenty of genuinely important news does not get reported either it's a double-edged sword anyway. Abcmaxx (talk) 14:49, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose It appears that the bill is unlikely to become law anyway and so there’s little impact. Such demonstrations and protests are common — for example, there was a big farmers’ protest in London on this day. This one doesn’t seem sufficiently significant. Andrew🐉(talk) 11:30, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose A run-of-the-mill, peaceful protest against a bill the NZ government has said it will not back coming into law. No different from the Farmer protests here in the UK at the moment. The C of E God Save the King! (talk) 11:40, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support - Absolutely notable, and rare significant news from that corner of the globe. Comparisons to other countries of course run afoul of WP:ITNATA. Duly signed, ⛵ WaltClipper
  • Comment - I'm utterly befuddled by the rationales used to oppose this item so far. One rationale implies that because there wasn't any violence or killing, it isn't notable; another says that because the journey across country took nine days, that it's technically outside the news cycle; and another is speculating that the bill won't become law anyway so there's no point in protesting. Much of this doesn't have any bearing on the actual significance of the item. Duly signed, ⛵ WaltClipper -(talk) 13:45, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support We posted the 2023 Australian Indigenous Voice referendum, this is perhaps even more significant in that it signals a rollback of already agreed upon law and rights. CRYSTALBALLing aside, about whether this may or may not pass, the protests have to be seen in the context of New Zealand politics where these are important (largest ever?) and a significant point in the country's and Maori history. Gotitbro (talk) 14:36, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    The difference is the referendum was just that, a referendum with 15,739,686 votes. These are protests 82,000 strong (and that's being generous) in a country of 5.22 Million. Scuba 16:55, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
A meaningless comparison. Voting in a referendum in Australia is compulsory. All the NZ protesters are there by choice. HiLo48 (talk) 01:50, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose protests aren't large enough to warrant posting. Any argument to the contrary is just a pro-Western bias. Comparing these protests to the 2024 Armenian protests for example, which had 20,000 protesters in a country of 3,000,000, several hundred arrests, and called for a regime change, the verdict of ITN was that it wasn't notable enough to post. These protests are 82,000 in a country of 5,200,000 and are seeking to preserve the special status of one ethnic group over others.
It would be a heinous double standard if we post this to ITN. Scuba 17:17, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • These protests...are seeking to preserve the special status of one ethnic group over others is a ridiculous and cynical misrepresentation of what the protests are about. AusLondonder (talk) 19:59, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    So you don't believe that The New Zealand Government has the right to govern all New Zealanders nor that All New Zealanders are equal under the law with the same rights and duties? Bold of you I guess. Scuba 21:50, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Scu ba, things are a bit more nuanced than what you make out. Maybe it's best to not argue the finer details that are hard to understand when you don't live here. Schwede66 07:25, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Ah yes, I forgot that you have to live in the country that the ITN/C event is taking place in in order to vote on its inclusion. Scuba 16:17, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Well your POV is very clear on this one. 13:29, 22 November 2024 (UTC) Secretlondon (talk) 13:29, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    How is it ridiculous and cynical? It is precisely what it is. Rynoip (talk) 21:49, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    82000 in 5200000 is about 1.6% of the country. How is that not large enough to be significant? --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 04:02, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    For comparison, an equivalently-sized protest in the United states would be 5.5 million people. Turnagra (talk) 17:53, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    The 2017 Women's March was posted the day after it happened, with an attendance between 3 and roughly 4.5 million. Departure– (talk) 18:02, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    The Armenian protests are neither the largest there, and when seen in context of recent Armenian history, nor unique. 6 protests are registered at Protests in Armenia in relation to the current PM Nikol Pashinyan and these were the fourth regular one in the context of the current phase of the Nagorno-Karabakh conflict (whose last flare-up, 2023 Azerbaijani offensive in Nagorno-Karabakh, we posted); preceded by 2020–2021 Armenian protests, 2022 Armenian protests, 2023 Armenian protests. I think why these might not be seen as notable is evident.
    Calling the protests, which are against a minor political party's efforts to re-interpret or rather rollback the Principles of the Treaty of Waitangi (already seen as inadequate for indigenous rights in New Zealand), preservation of special treatment is rather disingenous. The view that the bill seeks to enable resource exploitation in indigenous lands without having to specifically consult those people has more currency than any purported equal treatment of the citizens of New Zealand. Gotitbro (talk) 08:25, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    What? Do you not support equal rights for all kiwis? indigenous lands without having to specifically consult those people is a bit fake considering the bill is to make all kiwis equal without special rights or privileges. Rynoip (talk) 20:38, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support largest protest that New Zealand has ever seen and has been covered extensively in major news sources across the world - the event is absolutely notable enough to post. The article itself is extensive and well-sourced, and easily of the quality we would want for a front page feature. Turnagra (talk) 17:29, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support as per other editors. Largest protest in New Zealand's history sounds like something we should post, and it has even made it into German news. Both blurbs are very long however, and a bit arcane. Simpler and shorter blurb proposed. Khuft (talk) 19:32, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support It's in the news and has attracted worldwide attention. ITN shouldn't ignore genuine news from smaller countries. Second blurb sounds better but would be open to other suggestions. AusLondonder (talk) 19:57, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment It would be good if we could get the Hīkoi mō te Tiriti posted now given clear consensus in favour. AusLondonder (talk) 16:12, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Thanks, AusLondonder. I've developed ALT3 based on your blurb and my previous ALT1. Schwede66 20:41, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Support per @AusLondonder, eyes are on New Zealand especially in part due to Hana-Rawhiti Maipi-Clarke's actions. TansoShoshen (talk) 06:52, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment I don't think we can call it the "largest protest" in the country's history because The Spinoff source in the article merely estimated it as being the largest, and described the difficulty in knowing for sure. The BBC described it as "one of the biggest" rather than "the biggest", so I think the blurb should reflect this. ―Panamitsu (talk) 22:09, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    The largest protests in NZ were about the 1981 Springbok tour and involved over 150,000 people, which is more than this protest. See NZ history. And then there were events like the 1913 Great Strike when the population was much smaller. What we've got here is hype and WP:RECENTISM. Andrew🐉(talk) 23:28, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Note that the 150,000 protesters are the sum of the 200 protests in relation to the 1981 Springbok tour. None of them individually were anywhere near as big as the 42,000 people who were protesting in Wellington on Tuesday, as estimated by the Police. Schwede66 07:21, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    If we are going to say that the protest against the treaty is the largest in NZ history, as alt blurbs 2 and 3 do, this needs to be backed up by a claim in the article with a verifiable citation from a reliable source. The article Hīkoi mō te Tiriti currently cites a writer for The Spinoff who "estimated it was the largest protest Wellington had ever seen, potentially the largest in New Zealand's history." The last part is hedged.
    With this in mind, I would say that:
    • The original blurb, omitting any comparisons, is fine.
    • Alt blurb 1 may be okay but it depends on how you parse it. If you parse it as "largest (protest in the country's history at New Zealand's Parliament)" then it's fine, as The Spinoff makes this exact claim very confidently. If you parse it "(largest protest in the country's history) at New Zealand's Parliament", which I think is the intended and more natural parsing, then it's problematic.
    • Alt blurbs 2 and 3 are not adequately supported by existing sources or the article text, and even though they may be true, verifiability is the most important criterion to judge them by.
    • Alt blurb 4, which uses the wording "one of the largest protests" (mirroring the BBC), is fine.
    • I might also propose something like "New Zealand witnesses the largest protest in its capital's [or: its parliament's] history...". That would be less ambiguously parsed than alt blurb 1.
    Note that the issue isn't even just about comparing head counts of a single protest vs. multiple protests aggregated. The article in The Spinoff mentions a possible 2010 protest with 80,000 people in Auckland, and although the author states that the 80K figure is "hard to prove", and even claims that the current protest is "probably" the biggest single-location NZ protest, that uncertainty may be enough of a reason to avoid outright making the claim that alt blurbs 2-3 (and 1 if you parse it the obvious way) do. 98.170.164.88 (talk) 11:04, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    The protests you mentioned were against apartheid in South Africa, which is the single largest political matter in its modern history and which involved widespread international pressure, not just from New Zealand. If that's your comparison point, then I think this protest is doing well for significance. Duly signed, ⛵ WaltClipper -(talk) 13:50, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Per Masem. Thriley (talk) 05:36, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Sorry, this is a rather long post. Unlike Masem, I suggest that this is a rather impactful protest. The situation reminds me of the 2004 foreshore and seabed situation; when that unfolded, I thought it was a super-big mistake by Helen Clark's Labour government. They did survive the 2005 general election, but the resentment was deep-seated enough that they didn't get through in 2008. This feels much the same; this time for Christopher Luxon's National government. In August, former PM John Key gave the current PM what I felt was a public telling off in his typical style (one of Key's nicknames is the "smiling assassin", i.e. he smiles while he's telling you off). And Newshub's chief political journalist explained yesterday that it's going to be a problem for Luxon for months to come: "This will still be going on at the start of the [next] year and the political calendar is traditionally kicked off with a number of Māori events. That is a problem for Christopher Luxon not to have it voted down by then, not to have it neutered." By the time this is over, it will have inflicted a lot of damage on the government, possibly enough that they don't survive the next election. Schwede66 08:21, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    As this is a perennial issue which is going to keep rumbling on, why don't we wait until we get a clear impact such as the passing/withdrawal of the bill or an election result? Andrew🐉(talk) 10:30, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I agree with Andrew🐉: it is probably wiser to post to ITN once the bill is voted on, as that is when there will be a clearer impact. However, when that happens, the protests are still important context to include in the ITN blurb. --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 12:43, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    The Bill got voted through its first reading last week, the hīkoi was partially in response to this. Turnagra (talk) 17:45, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    The bill will get its second reading in six months. This is in the news now, based on the first reading. Schwede66 18:13, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support. Quite a significant protest with international news attention and also in relation to size. The protest is the story here, since the coalition partners have pledged to vote the bill down after the committee stage at furher reaadings, so it will almost certainly die out.-- Patar knight - chat/contributions 13:16, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support These protests are getting worldwide attention and seems to having a quite impact on the native country. LiamKorda 14:09, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose per Masem. _-_Alsor (talk) 14:52, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose. This is a big deal in New Zealand, but lacks long-term or wider significance. No legal change has occurred and a majority of parties have indicated that they will oppose the bill. In the end this is just a bit of domestic politics, letting a minor coalition party introduce something controversial purely so it can be demonstrated how unpopular it is. If the Treaty of Waitanga was repealed then that might be suitable for ITN, some peaceful protests against a bill that has no chance of becoming law is not. Once the bill is defeated the protests will quickly be forgotten. Modest Genius talk 17:28, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support - we posted the protests in Israel against the judicial reform for example, and that never got implemented either. One of the, if not the, largest peaceful protest in the history of a country, one that is widely covered across the globe, merits posting. nableezy - 17:40, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support, per nableezy, who puts it quite well. Due to their national scale and international coverage, as well as the lasting effects on the Indigenous rights discourse within New Zealand, I would say it's blurb worthy. Ornithoptera (talk) 18:22, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support it is already one of the most significant events in New Zealand political history, just by the sheer scale of the public participation. David Palmer//cloventt (talk) 20:41, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support It is getting widespread international coverage, which makes it rise above "mere domestic politics" as implied above. And even if it was not widespread and international in nature, being "domestic" does not make it ITN worthy, so this argument is redundant. Widespread international coverage + major domestic coverage and recordbreaking levels of domestic political participation + lasting impact on Crown-Indigenous relations in New Zealand = suitable for ITN. FlipandFlopped ツ 22:19, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment There are 20 votes in favour and 9 votes opposed – a 2:1 ratio in favour. Both perspectives have hashed out their arguments with reasons. The general ratio is in favour and this will likely not dramatically shift, nor will new arguments emerge. As such, I have marked this nom as ready for an admin decision. FlipandFlopped ツ 22:26, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thriley, that is because people who hear about it in the news are not likely to correctly remember or spell the name of the protest movement (it being "Hīkoi mō te Tiriti"). The general wikipedia page for Māori people went from in the vicinity of 3,000 views per day to over 300,000 total views from November 10 (first day of protests) to present. The article for the Treaty Principles Bill also rose to 100,000 views during that same period, from essentially almost zero prior to the protest beginning. These additional page view stats paint a clearer picture that there has been a surge in interest and coverage. So, just looking at that one stat in isolation is very misleading. FlipandFlopped ツ 21:14, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support posting Article quality and significance both seem sufficient, and it would be nice to post this before it's too late. As I wrote above in a reply, I prefer alt blurb 4 because the article and its sources don't adequately back up the claim of it being the very largest protest in the NZ history, though that claim is plausible. The original blurb avoids that issue but creates another: pinning down an estimated number of protestors. The 60,000 figure doesn't seem to be consistent with the numbers the article infobox uses anyway, i.e. >82,000 across the country and 42,000 specifically in Wellington/at parliament. 98.170.164.88 (talk) 04:10, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
+1. IMHO, there has been a clear consensus to post for at least 5 days. I am not sure what is causing the issue here, given that we have posted a litany of other articles during this same time period. FlipandFlopped ツ 16:33, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) Hong Kong 47

Article: Hong Kong 47 (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ 45 pro-democracy activists and politicians are sentenced under the Chinese law on Hong Kong national security as a results of participation in the 2020 Hong Kong pro-democracy primaries. (Post)
News source(s): BBC
Credits:

Nominator's comments: lagrest trial under the HK national security law.-Manchiu (talk) 13:41, 19 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Wait Tables are not fully filled. Aftermath section is not added yet. Besides, many activists are jailed every year, although this is significant in terms of the number of activists jailed, I don't think we should be giving special consideration to this incident. TNM101 (chat) 14:52, 19 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
This more than "activists getting jailed", but is a greater geo-political issue of the erosion of democratic norms in Hong Kong. Natg 19 (talk) 19:27, 19 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose though this court case is notable, we are now in the sentencing phase, which is not as notable. The time to post this would have been in 2021 when the activists were arrested and charged. Natg 19 (talk) 16:56, 19 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
On second thought, if we did not post this before, it would be fine to post this now. However, the article still needs improvement. Natg 19 (talk) 19:27, 19 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support Article quality is now good, although the aftermath section could use some expansion. Rynoip (talk) 19:52, 19 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Strong oppose on quality - The article hardly seems updated following sentencing. While it is in the article, it's not nearly enough prose to (in my eyes) justify an ITN blurb. Support on notability. Departure– (talk) 20:28, 19 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Shuntarō Tanikawa

Article: Shuntarō Tanikawa (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Japan Times
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Japanese poet. His death announced on this day. 240F:7A:6253:1:9D37:C1EF:6040:C288 (talk) 05:58, 19 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Weak oppose on article quality, i'd say add detail on what's listed on bro's greatest work, "Two Billion Light Years of Solitude (1952)". Also, if this article doesn't get approved soon, it may risk becoming stale as bro passed on november 13. BlondArkhangel (talk) 13:14, 19 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Two citation needed tags. Awards section has no sources. Secretlondon (talk) 23:09, 19 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

November 18

November 18, 2024 (2024-11-18) (Monday)

Armed conflicts and attacks

Business and economy

Disasters and accidents

International relations

Law and crime

(ATTENTION NEEDED) RD: Colin Petersen

Article: Colin Petersen (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Deccan Herald
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Australian drummer for the Bee Gees. Ollieisanerd (talk • contribs) 17:56, 19 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Some citations needed, and uncited paragraphs. Secretlondon (talk) 23:11, 19 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Bob Love

Article: Bob Love (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NYT
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: American basketball player. Needs additional work (orange-tagged). Staraction (talk | contribs) 05:19, 19 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Arthur Frommer

Article: Arthur Frommer (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Travel Weekly, NYTimes, LATimes, CNN, BBC, Guardian, NPR, People
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Founder of Frommer's travel guide book series. Thriley (talk) 01:31, 19 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Soft oppose: Chunks of the article aren't cited, there are also no sections and it's lacking in prose. Scuba 02:06, 19 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: György Pauk

Article: György Pauk (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Strad
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Hungarian violinist, Bartók expert. Grimes2 (talk) 23:09, 18 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support article is properly cited. Scuba 02:07, 19 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

2024 Senegalese parliamentary election

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Article: 2024 Senegalese parliamentary election (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ The PASTEF party, led by Ousmane Sonko (pictured), claims victory in the 2024 Senegalese parliamentary election (Post)
News source(s): France 24 Deutsch Welle
Credits:

Article needs updating
The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.

Nominator's comments: Article needs serious work, and needs to be updated, but when that is done this is ITN/R. More of a call to action for people to edit the article at the moment rather than a true submission to the board. Scuba 04:21, 18 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

These sources are all dated from 18 November so this submission should be moved to tomorrow. Senegal uses UTC. Departure– (talk) 04:27, 18 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Moved. Scuba 04:30, 18 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Weak oppose on quality as the article is very short, although it seems well sourced. Per AP, other major parties have conceded defeat to PASTEF and their victory seems all but guaranteed. I'd just like to confirm however, Sonko is the leader of PASTEF but he isn't mentioned in the AP article - I don't know enough about Senegalese politics to draw a major conclusion on this though. Departure– (talk) 17:17, 18 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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