User talk:Caspian blue

The page is open to everyone except socks, vandals, trolls, stalkers, racists, psychopaths, jerks, and all sort of disruptive people, especially from spooky 2channel meat/socks. Since this page is my talk page, I clean up any of irrelevant, inappropriate, unhelpful, or especially uncivil comments. If your comment here is immediately removed, please do not restore or revert nor feel frustration over this. Regards.--Caspian blue (talk) 11:30, 16 June 2008 (UTC)

For those who need more eye candy

Happy New Year!

Hope you have a good new year.-Caspian blue 00:07, 1 January 2010 (UTC)

HNYCb ChildofMidnight (talk) 03:37, 1 January 2010 (UTC)

Ironholds RfA

Just a note that your !vote on Ironholds' RfA is currently showing up as a vote by Daniel because it contains a link to User:Daniel followed by a timestamp. Even though there is text in between, SoxBot believes this to be a signature by Daniel. IF you changed the date to some other format and/or removed the link to Daniel's userpage it should fix itself. -- Soap ^Talk/_{Contributions} 01:09, 2 January 2010 (UTC)

Lee Jun Ki

Instead of moving the article, I think you should have made a Lee Jun Ki (disambiguation) page instead for other uses of Lee Jun Ki, since the actor is more notable than the football player. oncamera^(t) 00:12, 4 January 2010 (UTC)

Hmm..only two entries exist with the name of Lee Jun Ki, so I did not think that dab page is necessary. My move follows WP:BOLD. However, if you still don't agree with me, please open a discussion at the pertinent page.--Caspian blue 04:14, 4 January 2010 (UTC)

You mean on Talk:Lee Jun Ki (actor)? Talk:Lee Jun Ki redirects there. Still, one is popular. The other, not so much. Doesn't seem necessary to create a Lee Jun Ki when the majority of searchers will be looking for the actor. oncamera^(t) 05:17, 4 January 2010 (UTC)

The former would be a good place to discuss the matter.--Caspian blue 05:21, 4 January 2010 (UTC)

Talk:Lee Jun Ki (actor)#Article move. oncamera^(t) 05:24, 4 January 2010 (UTC)

2010 news report

I am preparing a beef flavor with vegetable Paldo King Cup of Mild Beef Soup with Noodle. ChildofMidnight (talk) 05:19, 4 January 2010 (UTC)

Good luck for establishing a Noodle cabal after the bacon and donut ones. :-) -Caspian blue 05:22, 4 January 2010 (UTC)

It was okay, but my enjoyment was diminshed by the fearmongerer warnings about MSG. I need to do thank you notes and wrap up the doughnut project. The bacon challenge got off to a fast start and I think it will heat up again in coming weeks. ChildofMidnight (talk) 06:10, 4 January 2010 (UTC)

AvengerX: a multi-wikipedia's dangerous vandal

This user, noticed by you many times for vandalisms, is seriously a dangerous vandal. Please, provide to block him indefinitely. See this links:

• ja:User:AvengerX (indefinitely blocked for vandalisms and sockpuppetry)
• it:User:AvengerX (indefinitely blocked for write-only vandalisms)
• Dangerous vandal on many Wikipedias —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.26.6.70 (talk) 15:29, 4 January 2010 (UTC)

↑ Thank you for the self introduction about you. (Sorry, dear Caspian blue. I respect you. ) --AvengerX (talk) 16:52, 4 January 2010 (UTC)

Please deal with your matters in the Italian Wikipedia or Japanese Wikipedia.--Caspian blue 17:19, 4 January 2010 (UTC)

I agree to your opinion. dear Caspian blue. Good bye. --AvengerX (talk) 17:44, 4 January 2010 (UTC)

Mr AvengerX you can't threat me of death. You are a vandal, you were indefinitely banned as valdal for your "nippocentrism" also on ja.wp. --79.44.23.67 (talk) 20:33, 4 January 2010 (UTC)

Piece of advice to the anon

It is true that I warned AvengerX (talk · contribs) because he appeared to be a new editor here and disruptively engaged in edit warring and blanking of properly sources from Onigiri. He reverted 3 times in 24 hours, so I legitimately gave him a 3RR warning. However I gave up talking with him over the that matter since I did not think that is not worthy of my time at that time. It should be noted that the affair happened "two weeks ago". So you should prove that s/he disrupts "right now".

Please remind that if you can't prove that he is "disrupting" the English Wikipedia "RIGHT NOW", your report would be ignored or get back to you rather very negatively. Based on your IP designation, your dispute with him stems from Italian Wikipedia, and he already is banned there. So there is nothing I can do for you. If you believe he currently engages in WP:Sockpuppetry, please gather "hard evidences" and submit to WP:SPI or Meta:Steward requests/Checkuser like people reported him on the Japanese Wikipedia. I honestly am not inclined to do so on behalf of you because first of all, I don't know you and not want to be dragged into a "unrelated discussion" with me. I also think that you should log into your account if you have one here. IP users have more chances to be accused of being a "vandal", so your continued feuding with the user is not helpful for you. That is my view. And continue your discussion with him on his or your talk page, not mine. --Caspian blue 21:12, 4 January 2010 (UTC)

P.S. I also notice you have used me to attack mentioned my name when to accuse AvengerX of disurption, even at WP:ANI and WP:AIV. Please exclude my name in your report because I'm not part of your "whatever" feuding with both of you.--Caspian blue 21:20, 4 January 2010 (UTC)

I've not "used" you to "attack". I've notified that you have warned him. This is not a personal attack, this is not an "usage" of you. It could remark that there are not my fantasies. As personal attacks, he has done a funny threat to me. --79.44.23.67 (talk) 21:26, 4 January 2010 (UTC)

I appreciate you notified something happened in other Wikipedia. However, I'm not an admin, so I can not enforce anything to him. I did not say that you attacked me, but you have to also consider my feeling. Would you please replace my name there with "another editor" instead? I don't want to be dragged into the ANI report which is totally irrelevant of me right now. That would be a courtesy for me. You see I modified my wording in response to your opinion here. I don't know what he said to you in other Wikipedia, but all I can see is that he said "I know you" based on your IP address. That is not a death threat, however. --Caspian blue 21:30, 4 January 2010 (UTC)

Ok, sorry. I've understood. I will provide to change "another editor". --79.44.23.67 (talk) 21:39, 4 January 2010 (UTC)

I've done it. Excuse me for this "querelle". --79.44.23.67 (talk) 21:40, 4 January 2010 (UTC)

Thanks. -Caspian blue 21:43, 4 January 2010 (UTC)

User_talk:NeilN#Onigiri

Don't know if you want to pursue this further or drop the matter. --NeilN ^{talk to me} 21:50, 4 January 2010 (UTC)

I only gave up talking with AvengerX (talk · contribs) at that time (holiday season) because he refused to listen to "what I was saying". No logic was available to him. (see the above thread regarding AvengerX's ban to other Wikipedia.) If you look into the history of the article, many IP users and sockpuppeters have appeared to delete that info. Moreover, Phoenix7777 (talk · contribs) has been following me for months and WP:MEATPUPPETing some WP:BANed user named 青鬼よし (talk · contribs) (sock of Azukimonaka (talk · contribs), see Wikipedia talk:Sockpuppet investigations/Azukimonaka), so well, I think Phoenix7777's insistence that the consensus has been formed is totally ridiculous in any logic. But that is not a matter of my time any more. So if you want to pursue the matter, please open a discussion at the article's talk page, and invite Bendono (talk · contribs), Andycjp (talk · contribs), and Kintetsubuffalo (talk · contribs) who seem to insert the citations.--Caspian blue 22:03, 4 January 2010 (UTC)

Tiger's year

For those who need more eye candy

but...this is a leopard, not tiger. what a cutey	Panthera tigris altaica

Need input

Hi - I've just now cleaned up the mess that was dabang and was wondering if you could take a quick glance at it. Possibly do some touch-ups? It's quite bare bones at the moment but there really isn't much more to write about. It's just a teahouse. My next move will be working on the god-awful "ticket dabang." Any advice appreciated. Thanks. Akkies (talk) 09:28, 6 January 2010 (UTC)

Hello. I'm well aware of the problem of the article where some editor who claims to be a friend/former colleague of Christopher Paul Neil who taught English at a same school has been sitting there to push his self-admitted grudge-driven agenda against Korean society. There have been plagued by several sockpuppets as well who seems to be a same person. I fed up with monitoring the article, so well I'm not inclined to do the job honestly. I can add few things, but you can write the article by yourself with this encyclopedic sources.[1][2] --Caspian blue 17:57, 6 January 2010 (UTC)

Much obliged. --Akkies (talk) 03:24, 7 January 2010 (UTC)

Invitation

I appreciate all of your hard work, and from the comments in the ANI, you can probably see I know where you are coming from.

A year and a half ago I was going to leave wikipedia for the umpteenth time. So many of my exhasitvely referenced contributions were being deleted all the time.

In desperation, I posted a message on village pump asking for editors with similar editing views that I had. I remember one veteran editor completely attacking my request. But despite this one editors attack, editors were still kind enough to suggest the WP:Article Rescue Squadron. I found a group of editors who were dedicated to adding content. I have seen you around, and maybe have invited you before, and if I have, I apologize. But I would like to invite you to WP:Article Rescue Squadron. your words about building an encyclopedia were inspiring to me. Thanks.

WikiProject Article Rescue Squadron Hello, Caspian blue. You have been invited to join the Article Rescue Squadron, a collaborative effort to rescue articles from deletion if they can be improved through regular editing. For more information, please visit the project page, where you can >> join << and help rescue articles tagged for deletion and rescue. Ikip 21:14, 6 January 2010 (UTC)

Thanks

For the heads up. I'm famous! Woohoo! Cheers, cab (talk) 04:23, 7 January 2010 (UTC)

My pleasure. Why don' you run for adminship to prevent such unfortunate events? ;-) --Caspian blue 04:39, 7 January 2010 (UTC)

Request for proper venue

I find your continued contributions to the ANI [3] [4] [5] [6] to be inappropriate, and a breach of your stating, "I think I will have no business with you ever. Avoidance would be a good solution for both of us" I can go into details once we decide where we can discuss the problems. --Ronz (talk) 19:30, 8 January 2010 (UTC)

Except the first diffs, all have nothing to do with you because those are to other involved people, not you. My avoidance only applies to a direct interaction with you including "talking to each other, and editing together". I have a right to give my opinion on what happened with what. So please drop the false accusation and personal attack. I've requested you to stop attacking me and visiting my talk page many times while you left a pile of the mean personal attacks after my last visit to your talk page. You're the one who has blatantly ignored the proposal of "compromise. I tweaked my words to you at the ANI while responding to others, so that is not a new thing to add up. Please "good bye".--Caspian blue 19:41, 8 January 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for the response.

Maybe if we deal with your concerns first, you'll then address mine?

"So please drop the false accusation and personal attack." I don't know what you're referring to, but as always, I'm happy to clarify and refactor. --Ronz (talk) 20:07, 8 January 2010 (UTC)

Ronz, please end this discussion. Per our bitter interaction in the past, I really really wish not to directly interact with you. That is too stressful for me. Our overlapped interests are a few, so I've successfully avoided you for the past months not by editing articles together. Your assessment of WP:CIVILITY, WP:EL and WP:SPAM is totally different, and you did not accept any different view such as mine and others. I don't think I ever can get any consensus from you since as you see, your ongoing dispute with Badagnani has lasted for over 9 months. I have to work with Badagnani regardless of my feeling of him while I don't feel the need for you. I have tried to assume good faith on you, that is why I'd defended you in many time occasions which you can not deny, even though your behaviors to Badagnani are hard to understand. Once somebody expresses that you're no longer welcomed to the one's talk page, then please respect that. That is no good from you either as long as you ignore the wish. This case seems to directly head toward WP:ArbCom, but if we get him abide by the 1RR, that would be great. If he continues the said behavior, then your responsibility for the cause of the whole dispute would be reduced. That is my last piece of advice, so please "good bye".--Caspian blue 20:24, 8 January 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for replying.

Since you seem so interested to talk about Badagnani:

"your ongoing dispute with Badagnani has lasted for over 9 months." Badagnani's problems are not restricted to the the past 9 months. All the problems he currently has now are the same problems he had a year ago, two years ago, three years ago, and four years ago. Continuing to ignore this fact make it more difficult to solve the problems, while escalating personal conflicts.

I'm sorry for our interactions in the past, and that they upset you so still. --Ronz (talk) 21:36, 8 January 2010 (UTC)

A message from

• Thanks for the note Caspian blue. I'm going to try to stay focused on article work. Cheers! ChildofMidnight (talk) 21:15, 9 January 2010 (UTC)

I think you would not mind my relocation of your message to here since the above tiger's year section is not for the purpose (but for my personal amusement and deep appreciation to the wonderful creatures). I also find this edit summaries and your removals of my recommendation[7] and the procedural edit are rather than encouraging.[8] Well, that is your business, so good luck anyway. I hope you avoid this one if you still can.--Caspian blue 21:24, 9 January 2010 (UTC)

It's your talk page. I'm going to try to stay focused on article work. Cheers! ChildofMidnight (talk) 01:46, 10 January 2010 (UTC)

Message from an old acquaintance

• Note, since 119.173.81.176 is so strongly against[9][10] my management on my talk page[11], here is a clarification for the him with the diff. It is not worth wasting my time. :-)--Caspian blue 18:36, 11 January 2010 (UTC)

== a request ==

Hello Caspian Blue, it is very nice to meet you. I hope you don't mind me asking you to not put templates on my user page more than once, even if you (mistakenly) think I am guilty of being a sockpuppet.

Thank you very much 119.173.81.176 (talk) 14:09, 11 January 2010 (UTC)

Hi, 119.173.81.176 (talk⁺ · tag · contribs · filter log · WHOIS · RBLs · proxy check · block user · block log · cross-wiki contribs · CheckUser (log)), or Sennen goroshi (talk · contribs · logs · block log).

Why are you pretending like we have never met before your recent "excited" activities to Korean independent activists in latest days? When you care about automobile related subjects and other "controversial things", we are good each other although that did not prevent your accumulated badges. However, I'm very concerned about your resuming your long-term "interests" in controversies around Korea, Japan relations. If you want a clarification or prove "innocence", I'd be happy to formally file Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations for you. Trust me, I have a lot of "successful" experience detecting sockpuppeters. Thanks. --Caspian blue 16:17, 11 January 2010 (UTC)

Please don't change the title of my message, delete it if you don't like it, but don't change the meaning. 119.173.81.176 (talk) 18:24, 11 January 2010 (UTC)

I let the title stay with no fiddling as opposed to your false accusation. Your "request" has been intact. While this is my talk page, so I'm managing the page per my discretion and the notice in the light blue banner. Good night, sayonara.--Caspian blue 18:36, 11 January 2010 (UTC)

Your recent revert

Hi! I've read the ref. I didn't blindly revert the edit. Please see my post on here. Thank you. Oda Mari (talk) 06:42, 13 January 2010 (UTC)

Sitting

I like that chair also. There a nice photo of the rounded back of it also... maybe I should add that one. I think it's a much nice design than the bubble chair, developed by the same designer. The Nordic peoples are known for their designers. Pretty cool stuff some of it. Ikea is based on the industry, but their stuff is El Cheapo. I'm surprised you haven't been indefinitely blocked yet. There's a cull going on. Only the whitest of sheep are left in peace. Or so it seems. Baaaaaaaaaaa. ChildofMidnight (talk) 19:53, 14 January 2010 (UTC)

The chair is a symbol of futurism, I think. Many films or si-fi drams feature the chair. Scandinavians have their own very unique, which look very simple, modern and nature-friendly. Their cuisine is not that much developed due to the weather, but other parts of culture have flourished. I like Ikea, they are cool and cheap (average furniture price in South Korea is ridiculously very expensive). As for the white/black sheep, you know well that I don' t like such "joke" ever since Law/The_undertow incident. Badagnani's indef.block is a shocking (since really disruptive people whose contribution are frivolous and habitually harassing others can be survived due to their splendid WikiLawyering/WikiPolitics skills as you've seen many times). If he appears just one time to ANI, the result would've been not the same as today's.--Caspian blue 01:35, 15 January 2010 (UTC)

Sorry to bug in but Oh wow, Badagnani? is there a way to petition for him? He have helped me alot in many article we both involved in and even helped me translate some simple Korean text. How did it happen? I was kinda counting on him to watch over some articles ==!. --LLTimes (talk) 01:18, 19 January 2010 (UTC)

ArbCom case was rejected, so if there is only hope, Badagnani decides to request for unblock. He is not as much disruptive people who got the same treatment in the past, but his failure to appear to defend himself led the sad situation. If you concern about him, you can drop a note to his talk page.--Caspian blue 01:58, 19 January 2010 (UTC)

Cydevil38 and LLTimes

Han Chinese clothing (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)

=== Request ===

Since Cydevil38 is keep telling me "you may ask other Korean editors for verification if you doubt my good faith" and you happens to know a lot of korean sources. Could you provide further information on references in Beizi&Banbi page? Pages are needed, a translation would be good. thx --LLTimes (talk) 17:10, 18 January 2010 (UTC)

I already checked on the notability and reliability of the sources that Cydevil38 provided, and they are reliable and meet the requirement (famous scholars in the field). However, I can not access to all of them because to verify or confirm Cydevil38's claim, I have to go to libraries that possess such books or buy the books/thesis, but I don't feel for the need on behalf of him. Moreover, my computer (Mac) does not allow me to buy some of thesis. So, I can not help you much for that. The only reason I intervened the dispute was to prevent the tendentious edit warring between you and him for several months. In fact, you have every right to request for him to provide "direct quotes", and "page numbers" from the sources concerning the disputed subjects. However, you blanked out "confirmed information" with a bit dishonest edit summary like this, I'm not sure whether you would accept the sources even if they are verified by me.--Caspian blue 23:44, 18 January 2010 (UTC)

I edit cut that one out because there are already mentions of especially where the influences came from. eg. "especially by the nomadic peoples to the north, and Central Asian cultures to the west by way of the Silk Road". If you feel there is a need to add that in then you can rv my edits anytime, but that's just how i felt the article should be. On Cydevil38's sources, I think i have the rights to remove sources that lacks of info? (which he does often) Besides, it's pretty disputed content and I can't wait for "couple months" for him, whether he provide it or not..are there any rules that states i need to wait few months? On a side note, thanks for doing this for us..helping us out! ==!! --LLTimes (talk) 01:01, 19 January 2010 (UTC)

Well, Gandhara, Turkistan, Persian to Hellenism are not of Central Asian cultures, and the specific info clarify which cultures affected the Chinese Tang clothing. I think you can remove some of Cydevil38's sources that have no page numbers, but not all of them since three sources are correctly provided with proper citation formats.--Caspian blue 01:53, 19 January 2010 (UTC)

=== [[User:LLTimes|LLTimes]] ([[User talk:LLTimes|talk]]) ===

I currently don't have the time nor the protocol to address LLTimes's increasingly disruptive behavior(IMO), so can you please take the burden of handling this matter through proper protocol? Cydevil38 (talk) 20:26, 18 January 2010 (UTC)

Cydevil38, you need to provide actual page numbers and quotations to verify your edits since those sources are not even esaily available to average editors with Korean ability, not to mention non-Korean editors. Obtaining the sources focusing on the specific topic is beyond just a little investment in my time over internet. If you don't have the time for your edit, you can not complain about the sources being gone while your absence. I can't also have necessary time for my commitment to Wikipedia already, so you need to at least provide the requested page numbers, and quotes. That would be very quick since you seem to read that sources already, and may have them yourself. I can perhaps translate some of them or confirm the claim, but you should be aware that I spent a great deal of time for implementing the article with two contested but reliable English books. However, I can not do that any more.-Caspian blue 23:44, 18 January 2010 (UTC)

It was months before that I made those edits, so I think it's unfair to expect me to retain memories of the specific pages and the material therein. I am currently in a country where internet access is restricted due to poor infrastructure and political censorship, and of course my access to books is restricted as well. I'll be back in Korea at least by early March, so I'll address the issues then. For the mean time, I find it very regrettable that some editors simply disregard good faith in my honesty and don't have the patience to wait for verification, not to mention telling me in a threatening tone all these edits are intended for vengeance and retaliation.[12] Isn't there any Wikipedia policy against such intent in editing? If not, perhaps this is one of the shortcomings of Wikipedia. Cydevil38 (talk) 00:27, 21 January 2010 (UTC)

As for your edits regarding Hanbok, plesae check the hanstyle site again. As do many reliable sources from Korea, the site's material makes careful distinguishment between 한복 and 복식. The former is explicitly conceptualized as a specific style of Korean clothing worn today that most Koreans commonly associate with the word "Hanbok", and the latter generally refers to any types of clothing that were worn during Korean history. The former concept, if established, doesn't include many of the styles described in the Hanbok article, making them extraneous and irrelevant. The latter concept, on the other hand, can include pretty much everything. Overall, I think it's better to split the article between Hanbok and Korean traditional clothing to distinguish between the two concepts, but as I've said my current access to reliable sources is limited so I'll postpone that for now. Cydevil38 (talk) 00:27, 21 January 2010 (UTC)

Don't worry, i didn't change anything except "temporary" removing the source, I won't change anything because i myself doesn't the source that would contradict yours ;). If anything, you should relax! --LLTimes (talk) 00:49, 21 January 2010 (UTC)

Cydevil38, none suspects your good faith edits. I confirmed your sources themselves are reliable and academic ones, but the missing page numbers and quotations is hard to verify your sources. That was the key of the edit warring between you two. You could've added them in the past months or when you first added them. There is no loss if you put them back once you can access the sources. As for 한복 and 복식, I disagree with your opinion. I don't feel any need for separation to two topics.--Caspian blue 01:06, 21 January 2010 (UTC)

Finally

Okay, I will explain the mess and the reason i didn't write on User talk:199.219.144.54 talk page because it's a public IP and I don't want to carry it to there.

1)User:199.219.144.54 was two friend of mine who oversees my edits often in campus library.

2)they didn't understand the whole situation, took one of my sources (which i was gathering in my page) and bluntly adds in to Hanbok's page.

3)I can access to this account from my campus and there is no restrictions.

4)Bloodmerchant was someone she make up/think of and I'm not bloodmerchant however I did have some problem with his edits , if you :don't believe me, please go post up a sock-puppetry investigation between me and him and let the admin do the judge.

5)The acakoreana.org source. I asked the source check help page [13] which now states that 2 of my source are legible for uses in wikipedia.

6)I never edits without logging into my acct , except few instances in Internet Cafes, which passwords are likely to get stolen.However they were minor edits and not disruptive.

7)Due to the confusion of Chi'ma and Chima and confirmation of the legitimacy of my source, caused a confusion with her upon seeing the edits reverted.

8) I was going to add them myself anyway and i have a decent knowledge with wiki policy, that's why i ask for help first.

9) I will accept any penalty if labeled. --LLTimes (talk) 20:08, 19 January 2010 (UTC)

LLTimes, if I determined to request for WP:SPI, I would've already done it as soon as I was convinced with the anon being you instead of telling you what I think or suggesting you to restore the unblock request. I appreciate you are willing to talk with me now, but would that be nicer that you admit your error on your part instead of the implausible friend excuse that many many sockpuppeters have used? (I've filed many sockpuppetry cases which were mostly successful) And even if your comment is true, your comment leaves me several concerns such as WP:Meatpuppet. The anon's first edit is a revert (similar edit was made previously without source), so if the anon was you, then the question about the responsibility for the WP:3RR and WP:Sockpuppetry can not be avoided. However, I wrote significant parts of hanbok, and I believed that contents regarding Chinese influence on hanbok was deleted or minimized throughout times by others (don't know who did that). The inconsistent Romanization on Korean skirt made confusion to the both party, but the new addition to the baji section does not make any sense unless it has some relation to baji (which has no info about baji). If you admit you're the anon, then I will not pursue the sockpuppetry case against you or try to block you. I tried to help you, but don't want this way.--Caspian blue 02:36, 20 January 2010 (UTC)

I will be honest and come clean, it was me and my friend joking around at campus, however it's true that he (the female friend was just looking and went away) did the some editing but it was on my instructions and this is the truth, the responsibility is all mine because i instructed him at first then later took full control. I though there wasn't going to be any trouble since my source was confirmed to be reliable and seemly the process went well until the you came in and mistaken it. I kept telling you to look at the middle part but minutes after minutes i got warnings. The reason i didn't log on was because i though this was quick and fast, however while trying to avoid accuse of sock-puppetry, I kind of took it further which promote me not to log in. I'll admit i kinda felt angry when Cydevil way's of doing things (hostile reverts/edits , not giving creditable sources and telling me to wait for a few months) and was one of reason i spent some hours searching for datas which is accumulating in my wiki page and got enough reliable sources now (8 of them). On a side note, I never touch Baji, only Chi'ma/Chima and Gwanbok which were from that one source. --LLTimes (talk) 03:11, 20 January 2010 (UTC)

Okay, I appreciate your honesty in the end. I want you not to repeat the same method when you dispute with somebody for contents. I usually file a SPI request when my patience is hitting the bottom, double with harassment by sockpuppeters, but you did not such thing. If you provide the original link and author's name of the source, I will add the source to appropriate places within the article with a little paraphrasing.--Caspian blue 03:19, 20 January 2010 (UTC)

Okay, I will try my best to find the author *hopefully Google translator can help me*. However this incident will not soften/tofu my stance, I will still try my best to correct some edits that i believe its correct and with a reliable source you can revert it if you think it's wrong but expect a msg coming in from me :) however what i will not do is vandalism (don't remember i seriously vandalized an article before) or this again, kinda give me the chills. ty for understanding.--LLTimes (talk) 03:29, 20 January 2010 (UTC)

Appreciation

Caspian Blue, I appreciate the message you left. Indeed, I was very taken aback by your oppose vote. My intent of course was not to badger you or your vote. One of the things that I am sure that you noticed with the diff's that decltype provided was the quotations around such words as "fucking". I am sure that you noticed in the entire discussion that I first attempted to discuss the specific matter politely. After the editor chose to continue to use cursing, it became clearly obvious that swearing was their sole means of understanding. By using their own word "fucking" (specifically in quotations), it was ensuring that both parties were speaking the same language. As a journalist, the quotations were key - they were direct quotes. As I have expressed to you in the past, you are and have been one of the editors who I have appreciated - after "working things out" together, I was truly surprised by your oppose - more than you will ever imagine. (talk→ BWilkins ←track) 20:58, 19 January 2010 (UTC)

Caspian blue you are very unforgiving about bad jokes. I guess I'm lucky that mine are always funny. ChildofMidnight (talk) 23:43, 19 January 2010 (UTC)

I'm all ears to funny jokes!--Caspian blue 02:21, 20 January 2010 (UTC)

I was in quite a funny mood at work yesterday morning, you should have been there :-) Thanks for the change @ RfA. (talk→ BWilkins ←track) 09:55, 20 January 2010 (UTC)

Source informations

Hey CB, I got the proper source from actakoreana, here it is.

http://eng.actakoreana.org/clickkorea/text/13-Clothing/13-95aut-charateristics.html

Koreana, Vol. 9, No. 3. Cho, Woo-hyun. “Characteristics of the Korean Costume and Its Development.”
Autumn 1995. http://eng.actakoreana.org/clickkorea/text/13-Clothing/13-95aut-charateristics.html

Additional Source:
Levinson, David (2002). Encyclopedia of modern Asia, Volume 2. Charles Scribner's Sons. p. 120-121. ISBN 9780684806174.
I have the book and I've scanned pages 120 to 121 for you. *in images below*
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Regards. --LLTimes (talk) 20:21, 20 January 2010 (UTC)

Thanks, you now prove that the source is a reliable one. I will add the info to hanbok.--Caspian blue 21:34, 20 January 2010 (UTC)

LLTimes went to the trouble of inquiring about these sources at the Reliable Sources Noticeboard two days ago. These are both reliable sources. Fladrif (talk) 22:03, 20 January 2010 (UTC)

Thank you for the visit and notification.--Caspian blue 22:53, 20 January 2010 (UTC)

On the recent edits, "The style similar to the Western empire style was new to Koreans". When i read that, i got a big "huh?" in my head. Can you clarify which Western empire (or just state the region)? most modern definition for "western empire" are this. Also You forgot to add that Chima was adopt from China. ":P. --LLTimes (talk) 23:38, 20 January 2010 (UTC)

Hmm...the problem is that linguistically "chima" refers to not only all kind of skirts (not necessarily limited to Korean traditional skirts. Western dresses are also called "chima" in Korean), but also the specific skirt shown in hanbok. Moreover, I've searched many other sources in both Korean and English, but they said "chima" (in the latter meaning) existed before the direct Chinese import to Korea during the Unified Silla period. "The imports from ancient times" refers to the Tang Chinese clothing while the previous "chima" may be influenced by China. This is mentioned in other sources, but well, if I want to add that info, I have to spend a lot of time to expand not the Chima but also the history sections up to "the triple length". Both sources do not specify the period except vaguely "ancient times" or the Tang China and onwards. I think I specifically described how Chinese clothing changed the Korean clothing during the period. The style was eventually discarded according to several sources to which I referred. Due to my limited time, I can't write or paraphrase all of the sources into the article. Besides, did you see the pictures of Korean women wearing the skirt with high waist and slender long skirts? The source indeed says the Chinese style looks similar to "Western's empire style". That is a mere comparison with the Western style to make readers easily understand it, not meaning that Tang Chinese clothing was influenced by the West. The style was prevalent to China, Korea, and other nations under the influence of Silk Road.--Caspian blue 00:05, 21 January 2010 (UTC)

Oh, maybe the wording and the paraphrasing is a bit confusing ==!! Could Western Empire = Central Asian/nomadic people of west (West in today's definition is mostly about euro-tic countries). ? anyway thx....--LLTimes (talk) 00:16, 21 January 2010 (UTC)

The Western empire style is a literally translation from the Korean source, but I guess Empire silhouette would be more adequate for the comparison.-Caspian blue 00:17, 21 January 2010 (UTC)

This is even more confusing for me O_O sorry hehe, well untill we find out a better term for the translated korean texts. Now i'm quite interested in [18], It despicts the Gaoyao Ruqun :O which were pretty prominent in Tang China, and it's the next on my project list. Umm can you tell me if they say any info on that clothing? and what's the clay dolls about? It would be very helpful to me and on my research :). Thanks for all the troubles CB, you've done good things. --LLTimes (talk) 00:29, 21 January 2010 (UTC)

Unfortunately, the source does not say the specific Chinese clothing term. I'm not an expert in the field, so describing some costume style in English is beyond my current ability. The source describes the dolls with very figurative languages, like "the end of the front jacket was covered by the skirt...."--Caspian blue 00:36, 21 January 2010 (UTC)

Thanks anyways, I will try using babel fish to surf around ;) --LLTimes (talk) 00:44, 21 January 2010 (UTC)

Reliable Sources

To answer your question, having commented on the question posed at the Reliable Sources noticeboard, I was curious as to how the question had arisen. That led me via a circuitious route to the exchange here. Why the discussion of sources was occurring on a user's talkpage rather than on the article talkpage is puzzling, but irrelevant. The tone of your "prove it" comment struck me as odder still, and inappropriate both from a editing approach in dealing with newly-cited sources and in tone, especially coming from an editor with your apparent extensive experience. You apparently take that observation to be uncivil on my part. Fine. Not the first time that accusation has been leveled at me. I'm a big boy and can take it. But, you are entirely correct that I have no background whatsoever on whatever dispute, kerfluffle or conflict led you to make that comment, and as I have no intention of injecting myself any further into this particular corner of Wikipedia, we'll leave it at that and go along our separate merry ways.Fladrif (talk) 17:10, 21 January 2010 (UTC)

GAN of Korean cuisine

There's exactly one week left to deal with Korean cuisine. I think you can do enough in these seven days to reach GA standards, but it's going to require a lot of effort. If anything, I think you should at least try to engage in discussion over some of the issues.

If you don't feel like you have the time or motivation to do it right now, I can fail the article righ away and summarize what needs to be done for the next round of nomination.

Peter ^Isotalo 16:04, 24 January 2010 (UTC)

Thank you for the notification. I will try within the week. If I can't make it, you can fail it. I think there are unanswered inquiry on the GA discussion.--Caspian blue 16:09, 24 January 2010 (UTC)

Your input

Cydevil again reverted most of my edits on the grounds that Hanbok is not Korean Traditional Dress.[19][20], it would be nice if you come in and balance the thing out :') --LLTimes (talk) 21:24, 24 January 2010 (UTC)

Hanbok is a specific style of traditional clothing that, according to many sources, changed very little since its inception. That Korean Hanbok and Chinese Hanfu have completely different genealogy is often emphasized, which is not reflected in the article. Most of the significant changes came during the Goryeo Dynasty from Mongolian influence, not Chinese influence. Some styles imported from China, most of which are foreign derivations for the Chinese themselves, have had popularity for some time in ancient Korea, but their use have discontinued. Korean Hanbok has a lot more similarities to Mongolian costumes, yet articles on Mongolian costumes mention not one thing about having influenced Korean Hanbok. Some people are very insistent in nitpicking what little sources they could find to include the passage that Chinese Hanfu influenced representative traditional costumes of cultures they believe is within the Sinic cultural sphere.

In the end, abundance of sources refer to Korean Hanbok as Hobok style, which translates to "barbarian clothing". With the the Sinocentric worldview in consideration, the very meaning of the word "barbarian" is "non-Chinese". Hobok style has been forced upon Han Chinese by various nomadic kingdoms in the ancient past, and has made its way to become "specific styles" of Chinese dresses, which ironically is now referred to as Hanfu by some Wikipedian editors. This is not so much different from the influence of Mongols on Ming Dynasty cultural costumes and the influence of Manchus on PRC cultural costumes.

Thus, one should ask, what delineates between "Hanfu" and "non-Hanfu"? Why does one exclude the concept of Qipao from Hanfu while insisting on the inclusion of discontinued styles in the concept of Hanbok? Why does one automatically rule out the possibility that similarities may have come from mutual influence of a third party? All this "Hanfu influenced Hanbok" mentality at the moment is comparable to some people one thousand years in the future claiming that jeans and t-shirts are Hanfu and because Koreans wore them in the past, Hanfu influenced Hanbok. Cydevil38 (talk) 00:14, 25 January 2010 (UTC)

@LLTimes, Cydevil38, sorry, I'm not an expert, while Cydevil38 appears to be more knowledgeable of the issue, so I think you should raise the issue to the pertinent article talk pages. From what I've read, hanbok has both "broader meaning" and "narrow meaning". While your approach is toward the former, Cydevil38's is toward the latter. So I can not decide whose argument should be addressed or favored in the dispute.--Caspian blue 20:33, 25 January 2010 (UTC)

To cydevil, don't accused me of knick-picking stuff when yourself were accused of it and is doing so even right now. The problem was probably started between you and Supersentai in Ruqun article. Whether he was right or not but from a 3rd party view, I guess he wasn't right. I've tried to maintain my neutral view of you however your edits and hostile removals/reverts have disappointed me. Your edits such as these [21][22] and not to mention most of your contribution on Wikipedia was either Chinese-Korean related. However, it wasn't kindly towards the Chinese part. And I don't want to bring in what you said on internet forums about China and Chinese. I think I know how you feel, however please keep it open minded about these topics, you must have read a lot of things on the internet and I must emphasize that those "things" you saw are mostly made by nationalistic people, yet Koreans, whether its netizens or professors also tend to be nationalistic and pretty "bias" to be honest. Also by providing a Korean source without properly fill in the informations and using korean sources when most chinese wikipedian can't read it, is also something that pissed me off when you went hostile on those Chinese clothing articles, I don't really understand you. Also the fact that you kept telling me cultures doesn't go one way but many cultures mutually affect one and other, however your edits in Hanbok's foreign influences actually contradicts that. It make it sound that Hanbok was not much influenced and every time Korea adopts something, it would be discontinued later on. I was pretty much furious and done something wrong but Caspian have calm me down. I must emphasize again and again to you, put your hate down and be open minded about things, do not let those nationalistic people blind you from good parts of China and its people. I guess you're in Jinan China? put down your guards and let the locals befriend you, at the end of the day, we are just a pawn of politics and our feelings towards our country. I've more than 8 sources that states Hanbok being influenced by Chinese clothing, however i know you will do everything, even separate Hanbok article just to avoid the "Chinese influence" tag. If you can provide a quote/translation of your source (which is require btw) in Banbi and Beizi article to state that they were indeed adopted from Central Asia then i will not do anything. On the Hanbok influence part, I would still like to include it but little paraphrasing from Caspian on Korean traditional part and adding in Gwanbok which shows obvious Chinese influences. After this i'm all done from Hanfu or korean related stuff...too much headache :) Cheers --LLTimes (talk) 02:09, 26 January 2010 (UTC)

The question is, why are you so insistent to add the "Chinese influence" tag on Hanbok? You attribute this to "blind" nationalism, but I say again, where many sources give emphasis to the fundamental differences between Hanbok and Han Chinese styles, this "tag" is best avoided. We don't see any "X influenced Hanbok" in many of the other cultural costumes that has had more influence on Hanbok than Han Chinese clothing. Also, again, most sources refer to Hanbok as Hobok type, i.e. "barbarian clothing". In this context, the very meaning of the word barbarian means non-Chinese. These non-Hanfu styles were nonetheless adopted by Chinese, like they have adopted Qipao and Western jeans and pants. Among these are Banbi and Beizi, per this quote, "배자와 반비는 동일한 것이다. 배자는 중국 고유의 복제가 아니라 쿠차, 호탄 등 서역에서 행해진 것이 동진한 것 같다," which translates to, "Beizi and Banbi are one and the same. Beizi is not indigenous to China, and seems to have been adopted from Western cultures such as Kucha and Khotan." And this from the second source, in the English abstract, "Basic Khotan's costume was the two piece style of tops and trousers. Over the basic costume wearing a top wear with half slleves was popular. Skirt was worn by women. Even though there were many kinds, tops were classified into the two types, kaftan and tunic. Though Khotan maintained an association with China for a long time, the style of Khotan costume had imbued to China," and also, "There were many cases that half sleeved top wear(Banbi/Beizi) was worn as over wear in Tang dynasty. The phenomenon was due to the prevalence of 'ho'(foreign), and half sleeved top wear was introduced by the countries to the west of China, Khotan." Another is what you call "Gwanbok", also known as "dalleong", which is explained as such, "단령은 검박하고 활동적인 옷의 형태로 AD 1세기 경 서아시아 일대의 기마 유목민족에게 발생 되었고 중국에서는 호복이라고 불렀으며 4세기 초부터 17세기까지 군신의 관복으로부터 일반인의 생활복에 이르기까지 여러 계층에서 착용되었다," which can be summarized in English as such, "dallyoeng originated from nomadic peoples of western Asia in 1st century AD, and Chinese called them Hobok(barbarian clothing), and was used as Gwanbok from 4th century to 17th century. Beizi, Banbi and Gwanbok are all what Chinese regarded as "barbarian clothing", which in essense means "non-Chinese", much like how Chinese regard Qipao today. Cydevil38 (talk) 00:19, 27 January 2010 (UTC)

I want to add it just because you are so over yourself in Hanbok's influence section and others. What i said was true and you are really allergic to the "Chinese influence" tag (however you forgot that Hanbok also include sentences like these "Cultural exchange was not one way however. Goryeo had significant cultural influence on the Mongol court of Yuan Dynasty, the most visible of which was adoption of women's hanbok by the aristocrats, queens and concubines of the Mongol court." ). Where are these "most sources" comes from when you can't even provide a decent citation. I've asked Caspian blue to review the "available" sources and result was Baeja, though your quotation might be from other sources. Never the less, Most of your research are from one particular side/viewpoint of Korean researchers who credit most of things to West/northern nomads, as if China didn't had any innovation on it's dresses, and I know you love them since you always group Koreans with the Altaic People or northern nomads. While the Korean researchers i found have mixed results. Then again I won't expect you to provide anything else besides Korean sources which is pretty 90% of it. I've provide many English sources, and will keep on looking for a Chinese source. I've never intend to paid too much of attentions into these matters as i'm not an expert however something just ticks me. So far, even if i back the statement up with reliable English sources, you would just keep on reverting it. I can't help but to think if you are really helping or just protecting and creating an image of Korean's pure/untouched culture. But I'll give my respect to CB here, and keep off our discussion into minimum. Btw buddy, since when did Qipao wasn't regarded by the Chinese as "Chinese"? Its more Chinese than Compass and it's better known as Cheongsam for a reason. Ive never heard of Chinese Guanfu being "adopted" (not influences) from nomadic people since court robes have been in their history since well, since they started their dynasties and Confucius also had a major role in shaping some of Chinese dress codes. I'll look around. --LLTimes (talk) 02:17, 27 January 2010 (UTC)

(Caspian, can I request another thing? hehe since you know korean text and have one of the source. Can you vertify that banbi and beizi are from central asia? 1)Source: Yoon, Ji-Won. Research of the Foreign Dancing Costumes: From Han to Sui-Tang Dynasty, The Korean Society of Costume, v. 56, 57-72. 2006 2)Kim, Sohyun. A Study on the Costume of Khotan, The Korean Society of Costume, v. 34, 169-183. 1997.)--LLTimes (talk) 02:18, 26 January 2010 (UTC)

I can access the first source only which says about foreign influences on Chinese clothing, but while I skimmed through the long thesis, I could not find "banbi" or "beizi". I may miss the mention, but I have to check on them carefully. The costume influenced on some specific Korean garments such as Baeja, so well...that would be the reason Korean scholars study about the specific items.--Caspian blue 02:45, 26 January 2010 (UTC)

Can you please check this source again, and verify on page 60 whether it says Beizi(褙子/背子) and Banbi(半臂) refer to the same thing, and that it's specifically stated to be foreign to Han Chinese and it's derived from Central Asia? Thank you for your time. Cydevil38 (talk) 00:11, 11 February 2010 (UTC)

Hey Caspian, sorry for interrupting again, he needs a re-verification. --LLTimes (talk) 01:31, 12 February 2010 (UTC)

Hi, guys, please continue your discussion on either the talk page of Hanbok or Han Chinese clothing. The discussion would have more meaning if other uninvolved editors can see the discussion and give their input to the matter. --Caspian blue 13:52, 27 January 2010 (UTC)

• Both of you, I've provided original texts, and can verify the source. So please visit Talk:Han Chinese clothing#Yoon Ji-won's source as requested for the further information. This can clear out the suspicion over the source, and edit warring for at lease one source. Thanks.--Caspian blue 04:07, 12 February 2010 (UTC)

Korean Translation

Hey, I'm just learning korean, and so I went to try and translate the caption for a picture I restored on commons. However, I don't know a lot of the words in the description, and so I'm fairly sure any translation I would do would be extremely rough. If you could translate this snippit for me please :) (I was referred to you by Durova (talk · contribs))

"Print shows the embarkation of sick persons at the harbor in Balaklava." tinted lithograph, digitized from the original print

NativeForeigner ^Talk/_Contribs 02:31, 26 January 2010 (UTC)

Hi, good to hear that you're learning a new language for you. I think the original description is a bit awkward, so its translation sounds not smooth. So I took a liberty of wording the sentence a bit. My translation would be like "발라클라바의 항구에서 환자들의 승선을 묘사한 착색 석판화. 이 파일은 원래의 석판화 프린트에서 디지탈 처리를 하였다." --Caspian blue 02:57, 26 January 2010 (UTC)

Thanks. I'm not assuming that you'd have any knowledge, but are you aware of any good online resources for learning the language? I have looked around, but have yet to find a well thought out method. Thanks for the translation and your time. :) NativeForeigner ^Talk/_Contribs 02:19, 27 January 2010 (UTC)

No problem with the translation. However, I'm curious as to why you want to add the Korean translation to the file page since Crimean War is the European history of UK, France, Turkey, Russia, and other couple of countries, not involving Korea. Adding French, Russian, and Turkey language would increase the usability for potential readers. As for learning Korean, well, I don't know well. Online language courses cost some price. I think this KBS site offering free contents is pretty good. I've heard that Rosetta stone is good but that cost some money. this site can be a good guide as well.--Caspian blue 13:35, 27 January 2010 (UTC)

I was going to attempt it myself, but ended up realizing it was too difficult. I only did it because Durova ended up referring me. NativeForeigner ^Talk/_Contribs 18:48, 27 January 2010 (UTC)

Regarding the last edit on the article Ban Ki-moon

You reverted my last edit on Ban Ki-moon. (Edit by 221.150.47.128)

I was not logged-in when I was editing, while that was unnoticed. (Maybe my browser's cookie had been expired.)

Inspite of that, I am little confused, that I don't understand by what condition you suspected my edit as vandalism. My edit was not, by any mean, to alter a significant amount of the article, it was just to correct little error on the infobox.

Eumseong, which is written as 陰城 in hanja, is pronounced Injo in Japanese reading, and since other element of the address is written in Japanese pronunciation, Eumseong should be in Japanese sound. And to explain it is nowaday South Korean place, I provided parenthesis note, that explaining the current place name.

I don't think this edit is vandalism, and also think that my revision would improve the article, I will re-do my last edit. If you have any question, please write on my discussion page.

--Nudimmud (talk) 17:23, 27 January 2010 (UTC)

혹시 한국분이시면 한국말로 하셔도 됩니다. 님의 그러한 편집은 예전에 반달이나 친일성향을 가진 꼭두각시와 트롤 들이 주로 하던 방법이라 반달리즘으로 보고, 그 편집을 되돌렸습니다. 비슷한 내용으로 문성명 및 유명한 한국인의 전기에서 이미 토론을 거쳤고, 그러한 편집은 현재 하이프로파일의 살아있는 인물의 전기에 불필요한 정보 및 POV pushing으로 보고 있습니다. 지금 일제강점기가 아닐 뿐더러, 그 시기를 다룬 문서가 아님으로, 님의 도움이 전혀 안되는 편집은 되돌려졌으니 이해하시길 바랍니다. --Caspian blue 17:40, 27 January 2010 (UTC)

안녕하세요. 이미 토론이 되었던 사항이고, 꼭 되돌리셔야겠다니 제가 더 드릴 말씀이 없습니다만, 음성은 Eumseong으로 써 놓고, 충청 북도는 Chuseihoku-do...도 아닌 하이픈 끊어 읽는 방법도 틀린 Chusei-hokudo로 놔두셔야겠다니 저로서는 이해가 가지 않습니다. Eumseon, Chungcheongbuk-do가 되든지 Injo, Chuseihoku-do가 되든지 둘중 하나로 통일은 돼야 하는 것 아닌지요? 게다가 Korea는 Korea under Japanese rule로, Japan은 Empire of Japan으로 연결시켜 놓은 것 보다 Korea, Japan 부분을 묶어서 Korea under Japanese rule로 연결시켜 놓은 것이 친일적으로 보이신다니, 저는 더 이상 아무 말씀 안 드리겠습니다. :(

그리고 제 IP를 반달 의심으로 신고하셨던 건 다시 되돌려지지도 않았군요. 이 부분은 오해가 풀렸으면 해결해 주셔야 하는 부분이 아닌지요? 저한테 붙은 딱지를 제가 뗄 수도 없는 노릇 아니겠습니까.

--Nudimmud (talk) 03:26, 28 January 2010 (UTC)

제가 주시목록에서 업데이트된 문서를 짧은 시간동안에 점검하던 중 제가 오해를 했군요. 죄송하게 되었습니다. 님께서 파이프라인을 만들어서, POV pushing을 밀어붙인 줄로 알았는데, 님 바로 전의 편집을 님의 것으로 착각했군요. 님의 IP를 반달로 신고한 적은 없습니다. 그 POV pushing IP가 두 나라에서 편집한다길래, 그 편집자로 착각했습니다. 그 꼭두각시가 반달행위한 것은 지웠으니, 님의 IP의 그 꼭두각시 표시는 지우도록 하겠습니다. --Caspian blue 04:23, 28 January 2010 (UTC)

Unfunny joke

==Warning==
Do not revert me. Ever. But seriously, what is this section about the Kimchi dispute of 1996? Are you serious with that nonsense? I'm thinking two sentences maximum. ChildofMidnight (talk) 06:14, 28 January 2010 (UTC)

CoM, I'm not enjoying your such unfunny joke over contentious topcis. The section is poorly written (and I have no time expanding or copyediting it right now), but the dispute caused by Japanese was a serious issue at that time. Japan tried to register their Japanese name to Britannica back then instead of kimchi. The shock to Korea is not comparable with some Japanese insistence on fortune cookie being Japanese invention not Chinese one. I know that your intention wanted to be harmless, but that is not an improvement. I also really don't appreciate your unfunny joke.--Caspian blue 18:10, 28 January 2010 (UTC)

If someone wants to write an article on the dispute that would be fantastic. But a whole section in Kimchi? It's way too much. Maybe a section on Japanese claims to their version of Kimchi would be better and interesting. As far as your dispute with me is concerned, this incident will forever be remembered as the Unfunny Joke Incident of 2010. Did you hear my joke about how many Wikipedia editors it takes to screw in a lightbulb? Answer: seven templates. ChildofMidnight (talk) 20:18, 28 January 2010 (UTC)

What is a whole section? That article only has two short and brief paragraphs. The article even has a collection of frivolous and uncyclopedic contents regarding kimchi in pop culture. On the other hand, the incident is notable because it is referred to as "cultural theft" and has been academic study cases, and still cited this time. Writing articles is not based on one's seeking for fun.--Caspian blue 20:58, 28 January 2010 (UTC)

That's an intersting perspective. I find the pop-culture section quite interesting and relevant, actually. That people want to argue over who invented foods seems like a yawner. I would mention it and move on. After all, we all know that the Jews invented pickles, and everyone following after that was a copycat. :) ChildofMidnight (talk) 17:11, 29 January 2010 (UTC)

Korean cuisine GA nom

You did a phenomenal job. Tell me when you are ready and I will renominate it. --Jeremy (blah blah • I did it!) 23:23, 30 January 2010 (UTC)

Thank you for the encouragement. It is a shame that I could not finish the job of implementing the article within the time for other things. I will ask you if I could fix all problem raised. -Caspian blue 02:44, 31 January 2010 (UTC)

Abracadabra (BEG)

Hey, just a heads up: the cover you added was for the re-release EP (well, single for "Sign", I guess) of the original album, not the actual album. Even if it was, I don't think it would fall under fair use for the single...... So that's why I'm removing it. Hope that's okay.  :) SKS (talk) 23:21, 2 February 2010 (UTC)

No problem. I'm obviously new to this field.--Caspian blue 23:23, 2 February 2010 (UTC)

I'm glad to see another editor involved...so welcome to K-Pop articles. If you don't want a headache, though, I would suggest staying away from any articles related to Girls' Generation because they tend to be messy. :P SKS (talk) 23:28, 2 February 2010 (UTC)

Thanks. I may rarely edit K-Pop related articles though...but am interested in creating articles of Ga-in and So Hee. They are charming girls.--Caspian blue 23:34, 2 February 2010 (UTC)

Alohahell

Thanks for tracking down the sources for so many of his uploads. If possible, when you give the urls, would you be able to give the urls to (for example) the news article or webpage the image was on, rather than the image itself (for example, this one links directly to the image)? I don't know if there's any easy way to find that, but if you can it would probably make it easier to verify the copyvio. If not, though, it's not a big deal. rʨanaɢ ^talk/_contribs 06:32, 6 February 2010 (UTC)

I have tried to link original websites, but in the case of Busan Aquarium, I could not access my Mac to the page, so I tracked down the image with Google image cache function. --Caspian blue 06:38, 6 February 2010 (UTC)

Ah ok, no worries then. For that case (and I assume for most of the images), the "view page info" function on my browser was able to show the date it was uploaded to that website, which in this case was 2 years before Alohahell uploaded it here. rʨanaɢ ^talk/_contribs 06:40, 6 February 2010 (UTC)

Speedy deletion declined: Al Chaek

Hello Caspian blue, and thanks for your work patrolling new changes. I am just informing you that I declined the speedy deletion of Al Chaek - a page you tagged - because: The article makes a credible assertion of importance or significance, sufficient to pass A7. Please review the criteria for speedy deletion before tagging further pages. If you have any questions or problems, please let me know. decltype (talk) 18:44, 6 February 2010 (UTC)

Replied --Caspian blue 20:51, 6 February 2010 (UTC)

Hi Caspian. Yes, I think the actor probably fails WP:ENT with only one significant role. But since the article makes a credible claim to significance or importance, it is enough to pass speedy deletion. Feel free to PROD or AfD the article. Regards, decltype (talk) 21:01, 6 February 2010 (UTC)

No problem. It appears that I should learn more about speedy deletion stuffs. I'm gonna nominate the article for deletion as suggested. Thanks.--Caspian blue 21:05, 6 February 2010 (UTC)

Vandalism

I was also accused of being chinese, as was another editor. Apparently anyone who disagreed with him was so.--Crossmr (talk) 17:46, 8 February 2010 (UTC)

Therapy

I am available to mediate disputes if you need the assistance of a highly accomplished peacemaker. ChildofMidnight (talk) 06:28, 13 February 2010 (UTC)

Haha, you're really a joker. :-) --Caspian blue 06:41, 13 February 2010 (UTC)

0 :) ChildofMidnight (talk) 07:19, 13 February 2010 (UTC)

Roger Federer

Good idea on combining sections, which I named!BLUE_DOG^TN 01:54, 16 February 2010 (UTC)

My pleasure. Yeah, I saw your titling as well. Good work on splitting and expanding the content with various diagrams. :-) --Caspian blue 01:56, 16 February 2010 (UTC)

I saw that someone User:RCRC put the whole career singles matches of Federer on his career statistics page, but this was way too long that it caused many users browsers to crash. I had the idea splitting it up about three months ago, but did not precede onwards till Oncamera put the idea on WP:Tennis talk page, which the rule for WP:SIZERULE came to my attention. I then did the whole Roger Federer career biography, and took out the entire section, which this did not go over well with many editors. Then Seattleskier and one other editor came up with the idea of spiltting them up into a year-by-year page, which I just accomplished with the exception of the early career section that I did all in one. I guess it all just came to synergetic convergence, and it got done! Long story it is!BLUE_DOG^TN 02:14, 16 February 2010 (UTC)

Thanks...

...for the email. :) I'm on an extended wikibreak at the moment and wouldn't have seen it otherwise. Regards. PC78 (talk) 23:32, 17 February 2010 (UTC)

No problem, Happy New Year! (Korean New Year just passed a couple of days ago).Caspian blue 23:35, 17 February 2010 (UTC)

Barnstar

		The Rosetta Barnstar
		For all your work relating to articles on Korea where the only sources available are written in Korean, and especially for your addition to Mo Tae-Bum. NativeForeigner Talk/Contribs 00:06, 18 February 2010 (UTC)

Wow, thanks. The section can be expanded more with other Korean sources, so I will implement the article later.--Caspian blue 00:12, 18 February 2010 (UTC)

Speedskating

Please refrain from pushing and shoving. Thank you. ChildofMidnight (talk) 00:52, 18 February 2010 (UTC)

Haha, you're back. Welcome. :-) I was surprised to see that two Korean players won gold medals in the unexpected area like speedskating from Vancouver 2010. --Caspian blue 00:56, 18 February 2010 (UTC)

No way man, that's an area where Korea has been quite dominant. There's a big rivalry with Anton Ohno from the last Olympics when he won a gold medal after one of the Koreans was disqualified for blocking him improperly. It was controversial. You guys are his big rivals you meanies, and there was some pushing and shoving in the last race as well! And he wants more medals so don't get in his way this time! You guys seem to skate more as a team which I think is interesting. It's going to be exciting stuff with some nationalistic rivalry at work. Hopefully we'll have plenty to argue about! And Ohno's father is Japanese... ChildofMidnight (talk) 02:20, 18 February 2010 (UTC)

Well, Koreans did not get success from "speed skating" until the Olympics. I actually do not care much about Apollo Ohon because I'm not really a fan of skating except figure skating. I did not actually watch the competition. In my perspective, he is a spoiled American brat not properly raised and principled by his parents per his mean and provocative demeanor. Except nuts, Japanese do not behave like that in front of others. I doubt he is even able to speak Japanese since his single daddy was too busy to take care of his young son for his divorce and job. As for national rivalries, it does not have much occasions between South Korea and US unlike South Korea and Japan. --Caspian blue 02:35, 18 February 2010 (UTC)

Oh it's on now! How dare you! ;) USA USA USA!!! ChildofMidnight (talk) 03:35, 18 February 2010 (UTC)

;-) --Caspian blue 03:38, 18 February 2010 (UTC)

I am deeply concerned about the latest skating controversy. If I had actually seen what happened I would be even more upset. But even without any good information on it, I'm sure someone is very wrong and I expect to be even more outraged once I know who's at fault. ChildofMidnight (talk) 19:08, 25 February 2010 (UTC)

You mean Women's short track speed skating competition? Hm...the judge is the one who made a controversy around Ohno and Kim Dong-sung back in 2002. --Caspian blue 13:16, 27 February 2010 (UTC)

Darn Aussies Oh well... NativeForeigner ^Talk/_Contribs 17:26, 27 February 2010 (UTC)

;-) --Caspian blue

Pocheon

Sure thing. I'll do it within the next 6 hours :) NativeForeigner ^Talk/_Contribs 23:14, 19 February 2010 (UTC)

Thanks! --Caspian blue 02:09, 20 February 2010 (UTC)

No problem. It's not great at the moment, but I'll try and improve it more. By the way, it is eligible for DYK (5x expansion) :) . Hopefully I can start my study of korean more in depth now that I have a bit more time. NativeForeigner ^Talk/_Contribs 04:22, 20 February 2010 (UTC)

A "shrine"

• Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/IncidentArchive597#User:Jpatokal - racial slur and harassment (the person who harassed me used the word in the quotation marks for bashing)--Caspian blue 02:09, 20 February 2010 (UTC)

Tsushima

I just watched the YouTube video. Those uyoku guys are really a bunch of jerks. I've exchanged cold stares with them before, and it wouldn't surprise me if I and one or more of them ever practice some of our karate training on each other (a lot of those guys study karate, mainly Kyokushin). Isn't that irony, that Kyokushin was actually founded by someone from Korea? Cla68 (talk) 23:06, 21 February 2010 (UTC)

Oh, well, they are extremists. As for karate, I think you're referring to Masutatsu Oyama of Korean descendant. As far as I've known, the article seems to have been a lot of edit warring over adding or removing his Korean ethnicity and name. The area is like a can of worms unfortunately..--Caspian blue 23:11, 21 February 2010 (UTC)

DYK for Jeon Ok

On February 22, 2010, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Jeon Ok, which you created or substantially expanded. You are welcome to check how many hits your article got while on the front page (here's how, quick check ) and add it to DYKSTATS if it got over 5,000. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

Ucucha 18:10, 22 February 2010 (UTC)

DYK for Kang Hyo-shil

On February 22, 2010, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Kang Hyo-shil, which you created or substantially expanded. You are welcome to check how many hits your article got while on the front page (here's how, quick check ) and add it to DYKSTATS if it got over 5,000. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

Ucucha 18:10, 22 February 2010 (UTC)

DYK for Pocheon

On February 28, 2010, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Pocheon, which you created or substantially expanded. You are welcome to check how many hits your article got while on the front page (here's how, quick check ) and add it to DYKSTATS if it got over 5,000. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

Materialscientist (talk) 06:03, 28 February 2010 (UTC)

DYK for Lee Seung-Hoon

On March 1, 2010, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Lee Seung-Hoon, which you created or substantially expanded. You are welcome to check how many hits your article got while on the front page (here's how, quick check ) and add it to DYKSTATS if it got over 5,000. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

Materialscientist (talk) 06:09, 1 March 2010 (UTC)

I don't see why we can't share credit? Both of us have made significant contributions to the article. --Kuzwa (talk) 15:34, 1 March 2010 (UTC)

You shared it (both got it) Check your talk page, I guess. NativeForeigner ^Talk/_Contribs 16:12, 1 March 2010 (UTC)

Mo Tae-Bum for GA?

I was talking to a few editors, and they all agree that Mo Tae-Bum is ready for GA nomination. You helped in areas where I could have not hoped ot find information, and so was wondering if you wanted to co-nom the DYK with me? NativeForeigner ^Talk/_Contribs 03:10, 2 March 2010 (UTC)

I'm flattered with the offer, but my expansion is relatively minor than your edits to the article. Therefore the credit for the potential GA should go to you solely. If you need more information in Korean, I'll happily help you. --Caspian blue 03:16, 2 March 2010 (UTC)

Sure thing. I might be taking advantage of you a bit for Flag of South Korea which is my next task on my list. NativeForeigner ^Talk/_Contribs 03:29, 2 March 2010 (UTC)

DYK for Cho Jae-hyun

On March 3, 2010, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Cho Jae-hyun, which you created or substantially expanded. You are welcome to check how many hits your article got while on the front page (here's how, quick check ) and add it to DYKSTATS if it got over 5,000. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

Materialscientist (talk) 12:04, 3 March 2010 (UTC)

He's not making a great effort...

...to hide his identity, is he? Seriously, the guy is not even trying. Why do you bother having a discussion with him? Akkies (talk) 17:31, 3 March 2010 (UTC)

Well, you mean I should request another WP:SPI? --Caspian blue 18:23, 3 March 2010 (UTC)

Actually, that is not the only case. I've seen funny reincarnated/banned/vanished editors for months, but have not bothered myself to request for checkuser or SPI unless their harassment is getting unbearable.--Caspian blue 02:24, 4 March 2010 (UTC)

Korean Romanization

I'm not very acquainted with the romanizations. Would you mind fixing up {{infobox Korean name}} for Mo Tae-Bum? (per WP:MOS-KO Regards, NativeForeigner ^Talk/_Contribs 19:18, 13 March 2010 (UTC)

Project pages

Hello. Just wondering if there are any other channels to request for mediations. Akkies (talk) 05:25, 6 April 2010 (UTC)

Where's Caspian Blue?

Did somebody disappear him or something?Waygugin (talk) 03:57, 14 April 2010 (UTC)

Yeah that's what I'm saying. It's unfortunate he's no longer here. Akkies (talk) 13:57, 24 April 2010 (UTC)

Kala Namak

Hey, I'm not sure if you're interested but I have been working on the kala namak (black salt) for a while and could use some help in building the article. One of the editors has been insistent that the stuff is man-made from the extract of some plant, while all the reliable references I can find state that it's a naturally occurring rock salt. The editor give some citations but they are blogs and commercial web-site which I'm not sure counts as good sources. If you would like to help, can you find any more information on the subject to substantiate either the "man-made salt" or "natural halite" arguments? Thanks a bunch Sjschen (talk) 14:36, 23 April 2010 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Richard Tylman (4th nomination)

Hi, Caspian blue. Because you participated in Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Richard Tylman (2nd nomination), you may be interested in Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Richard Tylman (4th nomination). Cunard (talk) 02:44, 26 April 2010 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Featured picture candidates/Review of closure process 2

Because you've contributed to FPC either recently or in the past, I'm letting you know about the above poll on the basis of which we may develop proposals to change our procedures and criteria. Regards, Papa Lima Whiskey (talk) 09:26, 30 April 2010 (UTC)

Re:North Korea images

Would it be too much trouble for you to upload some images from that collection of Pohyon Temple or Kaesong? Perhaps [one], [one], [one], and [one]? Thank you. TELane (talk) 22:37, 30 April 2010 (UTC)

Template:Location map South Korea Seoul

Hi. I created a map of Seoul for locating landmarks on in pushpin. Its not perfect I know, it would be better without all the labels but its better than nothing I guess... As incredibly I could not find an article on a hotel in Seoul I created a stub for Grand Hyatt Seoul and found an image on flickr. You may find this useful to locate various Seoul landmarks on. Hope this helps. Everything well I hope? Dr. Blofeld ^{White cat} 17:10, 2 May 2010 (UTC)

Everything OK buddy? I haven't seen you around for at least 3 months. I miss you and your contributions. Come back asap! Dr. Blofeld ^{White cat} 11:12, 2 June 2010 (UTC)

Request for comment

Hey Caspian, I don't remember if I ever asked you to look at July 2009 Ürümqi riots, but it's at FAC right now (Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/July 2009 Ürümqi riots/archive3) and I was wondering if you'd like to offer any comments or suggestions. Thanks, rʨanaɢ (talk) 15:35, 7 May 2010 (UTC)

Request for article creation (stub or more)

Hello Caspian, I come to request the creation of Korean Calligraphy. This subject need a specific article, at least a stub. Korean calligraphy have its own masters and famous pieces, and its own focus on Hangul. Hangul request specific techniques, as circle, that East Asian Calligraphy doesn't need. Currently, just one sentence on East_Asian_calligraphy#Japanese_and_Korean_calligraphies. On wikipedia, I'm in charge of Chinese Calligraphy, but I'm neither familiar with Korean calligraphy, neither korean language. Accordingly, I just work on Chinese calligraphy side. For Korean calligraphy your help (research, writing) is really welcome. Regards Yug (talk) 10:00, 20 May 2010 (UTC)

File:Ingmar Bergman-The Seventh Seal-03.jpg listed for deletion

A file that you uploaded or altered, File:Ingmar Bergman-The Seventh Seal-03.jpg, has been listed at Wikipedia:Files for deletion. Please see the discussion to see why this is (you may have to search for the title of the image to find its entry), if you are interested in it not being deleted. Thank you. J Milburn (talk) 14:35, 14 June 2010 (UTC)

You are now a Reviewer

Hello. Your account has been granted the "reviewer" userright, allowing you to review other users' edits on certain flagged pages. Pending changes, also known as flagged protection, will be commencing a two-month trial at approximately 23:00, 2010 June 15 (UTC).

Reviewers can review edits made by users who are not autoconfirmed to articles placed under flagged protection. Flagged protection is applied to only a small number of articles, similarly to how semi-protection is applied but in a more controlled way for the trial.

When reviewing, edits should be accepted if they are not obvious vandalism or BLP violations, and not clearly problematic in light of the reason given for protection (see Wikipedia:Reviewing process). More detailed documentation and guidelines can be found here.

If you do not want this userright, you may ask any administrator to remove it for you at any time. Courcelles (talk) 19:14, 15 June 2010 (UTC)

• Per a Bureaucrat's post on my talk page, I've removed this and your autoreviewer flag as your account is inactive. If you come back, come to my talk page and I'll turn your flags back on. Courcelles (talk) 21:27, 15 June 2010 (UTC)

Since you've participated in this before

You are invited to join the discussion at Talk:Korean Cuisine. Melonbarmonster2 (talk) 19:36, 5 July 2010 (UTC) (Using {{Please see}})

It is a tediously restless subject, isn't it? :-P --Caspian blue 07:21, 22 August 2010 (UTC)

Check this out

I was discussing something with Oda Mari and on his discuss page someone asked him to check this out, so maybe you should as well "article". The article was created few days ago and was recently nominated for deletion at here Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Pure blood theory in Korea --Objectiveye (talk) 03:30, 17 August 2010 (UTC)

Too bad that I seem to miss many things during my sweet break. However, I think I still need more time going back to the Wikipedia world.--Caspian blue 07:19, 22 August 2010 (UTC)