Talk:Coandă-1910

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Andy Dingley (talk) 11:31, 10 February 2011 (UTC)

Case declined, with declining arbitrators recommending lower level remedies. Binksternet (talk) 19:08, 24 February 2011 (UTC)

I asked [1][2] for lower level methods without reply ( the general "ignorance" phenomenon that cripples WP ). As User:Newyorkbrad proposed the case to be opened again in "two weeks" I will do it, as soon as I have time. --Lsorin (talk) 21:41, 27 February 2011 (UTC)

The same case in two weeks, submitted to the same committee will hardly give you different results. Binksternet (talk) 23:35, 27 February 2011 (UTC)

Taken to ArbCom again.--Lsorin (talk) 18:43, 18 March 2011 (UTC)

I expect the same result as last time; nothing has changed. Binksternet (talk) 18:46, 18 March 2011 (UTC)

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Congratulations to Binksternet and Andy. Now you have the full ownership of the article and I have the proof the Wikipedia does not work. Good luck in becoming the full owners of the whole "free" Wikipedia! --Lsorin (talk) 13:02, 6 April 2011 (UTC)

The "first full-size attempt at a jet-propelled aeroplane"

That's Gibbs-Smith's description of the Coandă-1910. As far as I can see from this article (and I haven't done much reading elsewhere), nothing is more negative on the question of what Coandă actually achieved except the lead of this article, which can easily be read to suggest that he did nothing at all, outside of his own imagination.

I understand how we got here - and this is one of the more regrettable effects of applying Rumanian patriotism to the question: it makes for a net negative tone in response to exaggerations - but is it where we want to be? Can we adopt GS, or some equivalent, into the lead? We should certainly go on to assert that there is no contemporary evidence it ever flew, as GS also says; but shouldn't we begin with what the subject did do? Septentrionalis PMAnderson 17:37, 25 March 2011 (UTC)

Sure, we can give the inventor credit for his known and agreed-upon achievements in the lead sentence. How about this change?

• Current: The Coandă-1910, designed by Romanian inventor Henri Coandă, was an early sesquiplane aircraft which featured an experimental aircraft engine that was later argued as being the first motorjet engine.
• Gibbs-Smith credit: The Coandă-1910, designed by Romanian inventor Henri Coandă, was the first full-size attempt at a jet aircraft. Built as a sesquiplane, it featured an experimental aircraft engine that was later argued as being the first motorjet engine. Binksternet (talk) 20:31, 25 March 2011 (UTC)

reference

In case this is useful:
Antonescu's Eagles against Stalin's Falcons: The Romanian Air Force, 1920-1941
Alexander Statiev
The Journal of Military History
Vol. 66, No. 4 (Oct., 2002), pp. 1085-1113
(article consists of 29 pages)
Published by: Society for Military History
JSTOR 3093265
Quote:

SINCE man's first flight, the Romanian public has shown a keen interest in aviation. Romanian sources maintain that a Romanian was the first to build an aircraft able to take off without the assistance of auxiliary equipment. In March 1906 the Romanian engineer Traian Vuia took off from a field near Paris in an airplane that he had designed; he covered a distance of twelve meters.' Though Romanian propeller aviation was not marked by further impressive developments, Romanians also claim the invention of the jet airplane. In 1910 at the Aeronautic Salon in France, the Romanian engineer Henri Coanda demonstrated an aircraft allegedly powered by a jet engine. Whether this aircraft ever actually flew is not clear, nor is the impact of these events on world air technology. Nevertheless, they took a distinguished place in Romania's national heritage. Aviation enjoyed high prestige in Romanian society.

Article goes on to discuss the Romanian air force and doesn't say any more about Coanda.

128.32.112.233 (talk) 03:53, 27 March 2011 (UTC)

Twelve meters is a hop, not a flight. You can fly a barn door for 12 meters if you push it hard enough. Vuia deserves a very, very small credit but he does not take the place of the Wright brothers, whose first flights did not use any auxiliary equipment. Later, they began to use a catapult-type device for convenience, not necessity.

Regarding Romanian national thought about Coanda, we have quite enough of that. The source you offer does not give us anything new. Binksternet (talk) 05:27, 27 March 2011 (UTC)

File:Coanda 1910-Antoniu Collection.jpg

Isn't it a free image since its copyright must have expired? It is over 100 years old. Nergaal (talk) 00:19, 29 March 2011 (UTC)