Talk:Mitcham Junction station

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Speed through Mitcham Junction

from personal knowledge speed is 30mph - it was formerly 20mph. speed changed in 2008 if I recall correctly — Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.32.68.244 (talk) 17:58, 4 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Personal knowledge is inadmissible, see WP:NOR and WP:V. --Redrose64 (talk) 19:41, 4 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Alright, it is in the sectional appendix. which is of course unpublished. And it is displayed for anyone who knows where to look as 30 mph. I have personally seen the speed boards

nb Sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander - the original statement of 20mph is unsourced, so you have even less basis on which to state 20mph than I have to state 30mph

therefore 20mph will be removed, pending a source being identified. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.32.68.244 (talk) 00:44, 5 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Having considered WP:NOR and WP:V, I am quite content that when 'Original Research' is referred to, this is only intended to exclude conclusions reached as a result of the process which academics call synthesis. In this instance, there is no Original Research. While I may be wrong to have cited personal knowledge, the 30mph can be verified directly and unequivocally without interpretation from the Sectional Appendix, which, while not published, is definitive. It can also be confirmed by direct observation of the subject (ie Mitcham Junction) itself. WP:NOR and WP:V are less relevant than WP:BLUE (You don't need to cite that the sky is blue) 78.32.68.244 (talk) 23:42, 20 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

20mph is undone and reverted to 30mph. There is no source quoted for 20mph. The one source I can find for 20mph is wrong and outdated (I can say the source is wrong from personal knowledge even though this is not 'allowed' for stating the correct figure of 30mph). Anyone contemplating reverting to 20mph should first quote a source and second should take a trip between Mitcham Eastfields and Hackbridge and in reverse and look for the speed boards and only put the speed seen on the speed boards. I have done this. Or should get a mate to let him have a peek at the Sectional Appendix. While unpublished, the Sectional Appendix is definitive, in the sense that it actually defines the speeds.78.32.68.244 (talk) 22:21, 22 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

You need to source your alteration, see WP:BURDEN - this is part of WP:V, which is policy. --Redrose64 (talk) 22:49, 22 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]