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Ilmater

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This article fails to establish notability. TTN (talk) 23:48, 2 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Games-related deletion discussions. TTN (talk) 23:48, 2 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Fictional elements-related deletion discussions. TTN (talk) 23:48, 2 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Keep mostly an IAR !vote I'll admit, but there are dozens of books and tons of references to this fictional god. Not much in the way of 3rd party sources that I can find however. Hobit (talk) 02:49, 3 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per Hobit, or merge to List of Forgotten Realms deities. BOZ (talk) 04:51, 3 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Keep like Hobit, I agree this is a substantially-covered fictional deity, although since based on an historic mythological deity of essentially the same name, the RS coverage is quite conflated. If there IS to be a merge, however, I think Ilmatar is a more appropriate target, and this then becoming an IPC section. Jclemens (talk) 18:44, 3 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Merge to List of Forgotten Realms deities. I disagree that this fictional deity is well documented, as every single source available was published by TSR/Wizards of the Coast, making them completely first party sources. I've done a rather extensive search, and I can find zero reliable third party sources that talk about the fictional deity in question in any sort of detail, rather than the actual, real life one that has no relation. Ilmatar is not an appropriate target for a merge, because the Forgotten Realms deity is not really based on the real-life Finnish one at all. Their functions, stories, and even genders are completely different from one another, making this a case of the two just happening to have very similar names, not that one was based on the other in any way, shape, or form. 75.82.28.71 (talk) 20:31, 3 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- Yeah, I couldn't find a relationship either. Hobit (talk) 08:46, 4 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Merge to List of Forgotten Realms deities. I am not convinced that Hobit's arguments are grounded in policy; we determine whether fictional characters are notable based on third party coverage, not the number of primary sources we can find. Concerning Jclemens's suggestion that this should be merged to Ilmatar, I would want to see a decent source confirming that there is a relationship between the two, not least because of the worries raised by 75.82.28.71. Josh Milburn (talk) 03:53, 4 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- The only policy I'm claiming is IAR. Which I'm pretty sure this is grounded in. :-) Hobit (talk) 08:46, 4 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]