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'Celtic'/"Celtic" Christianity?

""Celtic Christianity" has been conceived of with differing levels of specificity: some writers have described a distinct "Celtic Church" uniting the Celtic peoples and distinguishing them from the "Roman" Catholic Church, while others classify it as simply a set of distinctive practices occurring in those areas.[2] Scholars now reject the former notion" - on that basis perhaps use of or "" should be used in the title, as indicated? Fergananim (talk) 10:42, 14 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Requested move 16 November 2018

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: Not Moved. Consensus against move. (non-admin closure) –Ammarpad (talk) 15:48, 23 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Celtic Christianity → Christianity in the Celtic nations – Scope, WP:PRECISION per Celtic nations. Compare Celtic Christianity#Definitions, e.g.: "[M]odern scholars have identified problems with all of these claims, and find the term 'Celtic Christianity' problematic in and of itself. Modern scholarship roundly rejects the idea of a 'Celtic Church' due to the lack of substantiating evidence." WP:CONSISTENCY with Christianity in Roman Britain, Christianity in Anglo-Saxon England, Christianity in Medieval Scotland. A second option would be something like Christianisation of the Celtic nations in equivalence Christianization of Kievan Rus', Christianization of the Slavs, etc. Chicbyaccident (talk) 11:12, 16 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

When you say "modern scholarship roundly rejects' would you provide some links please. -----Snowded TALK 11:32, 16 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
As listed after the sentences in Celtic Christianity#Definitions, ultimately listed at Celtic Christianity#References. Chicbyaccident (talk) 11:37, 16 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose. Modern scholars regard 'Celtic Christianity' as problematic, but the notion of 'Celtic nations' is also problematic. The chapter on the subject in the Cambridge History of Christianity is headed 'Christianities of the Celtic peoples', but this is also unsatisfactory both because term Celtic is considered suspect, except linguistically, and because a key confrontation between the two forms took place in Northumbria at the Synod of Whitby. There was a separate related set of traditions in Britain and Ireland and no satisfactory name for it. We need a better name but I cannot think of one. Dudley Miles (talk) 12:29, 16 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
I'd support Christianity of the Celtic peoples, but perhaps also someting like "of the British peoples"/"British isles". Anyway, see also Celtic_Christianity#Celtic_Christian_revivalism: "In the 18th and 19th centuries, antiquarianism, the Romantic movement, and growing nationalism influenced ideas about what was becoming known as "Celtic Christianity". Beginning in the early 20th century, a full-fledged revival movement began, centred on the island of Iona and influenced by the Irish literary revival and more general Christian revivals. By the end of the 20th century, another wave of enthusiasm began, this time influenced by New Age ideals." We already have Neo-Celtic Christianity to describe what seems to be promoted here both above and below. Chicbyaccident (talk) 13:38, 16 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose. The proposed title is too broad. The page can deal with concept of "Celtic Christianity" without presenting it as unequivocally real. Srnec (talk) 12:38, 16 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose per opposers, and because there is no stop date obvious for "Christianity in the Celtic nations", which could be mostly about the 19th century in Ireland and Wales for all the reader knows. Like Celtic art etc, the term has all sorts of problems, but there is no preferable alternative, and at least it wins in WP:COMMONNAME. Johnbod (talk) 15:35, 16 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose I read some of the references and I don't think they justify moving away from a common search term. Also the Synod of Whitby creates an identity -----Snowded TALK 16:58, 16 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose - Current article is already large enough and covers a specific term and topic. No need to confuse it with other, broader issues. Other, related topics already cover what can be reliably sourced. Maybe look to those articles for places to make improvements. - CorbieV ☊ ☼ 20:43, 16 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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