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Need help request from Apryo574 (talk)

Hello.

I need help with... I believe I followed the steps correctly in making my groups article on Beth Piatote go live, but the bottom of the page there is red font that makes me believe I did not do this correctly. Could you help me fix what I did wrong?

--Apryo574 (talk) 03:36, 4 April 2020 (UTC)

• I'll take a look! Shalor (Wiki Ed) (talk) 20:58, 6 April 2020 (UTC)
• Looks like someone else caught it! Shalor (Wiki Ed) (talk) 20:59, 6 April 2020 (UTC)

Need help request from Anonymous goldfish (talk)

Hello.

I need help with... at the bottom of the page, there is a box that says the page is still a use sandbox and another message that says "This template should only be used in the user namespace" but I moved the page as an "article". Why is the message still there if I moved it out of my sandbox?

Thanks!

--Anonymous goldfish (talk) 03:56, 5 April 2020 (UTC)

• Looks like someone took care of it! Basically, this happens when the sandbox tag is left in the article - it's an easy fix. Shalor (Wiki Ed) (talk) 21:01, 6 April 2020 (UTC)

Need help request from @Phuongdong0701

Dear Ms. Shalor,

I received a message from wikipedia that my page Stephen Chow - Actor (Wikipedia Project in Class) was deleted without my acknowledgement. I acknowledge the reference that user gives to me. However, Could it be possible for me to retrieve the written information in this page source things that I have because I do not have a draft copy of that or just undo thing then I can get the stuffs out so that I will make some change to fit with the Wikipedia policy? I would be appreciate!!!

Thanks! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Phuongdong0701 (talk • contribs) 03:56, 9 April 2020 (UTC)

• I can't restore it, but I can send a copy to your instructor for grading purposes. I'll reply with more info on your talk page. Shalor (Wiki Ed) (talk) 15:03, 9 April 2020 (UTC)

Wiki Ed, advertising and Wikipedia

"Students will create a complete digital campaign using social media to advertise, promote, and market a student-created business, cause, or interest and contribute to wikipedia [sic] articles." - I find this conjunction of advertisement and Wikipedia... worrisome. How is Wikipedia integrated into the rest of the coursework? And is this in Wikipedia's best interest? Huon (talk) 23:49, 6 April 2020 (UTC)

(talk page watcher) Hm, sounds like they're hoisting their not here banner up the flagpole. Should we just ask the instructor what their intention is? Besides just Shalor_, this should probably be escalated so Ryan and others are aware; Huon, any objection to closing here, and moving this to WP:ENB, which seems like a better venue for this? Mathglot (talk) 23:56, 6 April 2020 (UTC)

I would have assumed that Shalor, as the content expert, would be in the best position to know what's going on here. If there's another more suitable venue, I'm not opposed to moving the discussion there. Huon (talk) 00:21, 7 April 2020 (UTC)

My read of the course description includes two distinct elements: complete digital campaign using social media and contribute to wikipedia, but we can clarify this with the instructor. Ian (Wiki Ed) (talk) 02:06, 7 April 2020 (UTC)

Okay, pending Shalor's comments, consensus seems to be to keep it here for now. Course instructor is Malendy (talk · contribs)^[noping]. Mathglot (talk) 04:50, 7 April 2020 (UTC)

• Hi Huon, Mathglot - my understanding of the description was that the Wikipedia assignment would be completely separate from the digital media campaign, but we will be clarifying this with the instructor and will respond back here. Shalor (Wiki Ed) (talk) 13:24, 7 April 2020 (UTC)

That understanding indeed is a possible interpretation of the sentence as written, but in that case I wonder why the course has two completely separate assignments and spends so much space on Wikipedia describing the assignment that isn't Wikipedia-related. Thanks for taking this up with them. Huon (talk) 19:43, 7 April 2020 (UTC)

• @Huon: In my experience, most of the time the instructor has a general course description that they will copy and paste into the description section on Dashboard. I've had other classes make mention of this being one of several assignments, such as this being a term project, mid-term, and that there will be something else, like a paper. We're in the process of making sure that this is the case. In the meantime I'm more closely scrutinizing their edits just to be sure. Shalor (Wiki Ed) (talk) 20:30, 7 April 2020 (UTC)
• @Huon and Mathglot: I've heard back from the instructor - the digital media campaign is meant to be completely separate from Wikipedia. They've been trying to make sure that the students are aware of Wikipedia's rules and guidelines, but they've run into some setbacks with so many colleges and other schools moving online. It's really disrupted things in general with a lot of instructors, to be honest. He's going to reinforce that they need to follow guidelines. Shalor (Wiki Ed) (talk) 20:53, 9 April 2020 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Wiki Ed/Florida International University/IDH3035 - Digital Fairytale (Spring 2020) is turning into a trainwreck. Just about every article created is being deleted, or redirected to a pre-existing page. One way to prevent this would have been to vet the topics chosen by students before they started writing. But the writing style was almost always a school essay, it seems the writers did not know what an encyclopedia is for. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 23:02, 14 April 2020 (UTC)

• @Graeme Bartlett: I'll reach out to the instructor again. Shalor (Wiki Ed) (talk) 17:47, 15 April 2020 (UTC)

Could you check out Wikipedia:Wiki Ed/Brandeis/Latinx Futurisms (Spring 2020)?

You're listed as the point of contact on the page and for lack of a better way to say this it's clear that the instructors & students involved need some help on how Wiki Ed works. Chess (talk) Ping when replying 06:22, 10 April 2020 (UTC)

• @Chess: Thank you for letting me know - I've stepped in! Shalor (Wiki Ed) (talk) 19:21, 13 April 2020 (UTC)

Template:Did you know nominations/Salgo v. Leland Stanford Jr. University Board of Trustees

Shalor, I pinged you about your nomination back on March 23, and you moved the notification to mako's page where he said that same day that they'd take care of it in the next few days. Unfortunately, that is the most recent edit from them, and the article remains unchanged. I'm punting this back to you because this is your nomination, and it's been over a month since the review. I'm hoping that you have a more direct way to get in touch with them, and can perhaps move this along. If there is no action soon, the nomination could be closed due to lack of progress. Thanks for your attention to this. BlueMoonset (talk) 14:08, 10 April 2020 (UTC)

• @BlueMoonset: - I've removed the external link mentioned. The instructor is the one who is meant to work on this more - @Benjamin Mako Hill:. Shalor (Wiki Ed) (talk) 19:26, 13 April 2020 (UTC)

• Looks like the work you did was what the reviewer was looking for; the nomination has been approved, and is now awaiting promotion. Thanks! BlueMoonset (talk) 04:08, 15 April 2020 (UTC)

Need help request from Amykimmers (talk)

Hello.

I need help with my page I just uploaded for Sphagnum papillosum. I drafted the article in my sandbox and tried to move it from the sandbox into the main space; however, I made a mistake the first time by not changing the "user" to article and the title from my username to its actual title, so I tried it again the second time and it seems to have redirected the article back to my user page? I'm not sure what to do as I can't find my article anymore. Please let me know how I can fix this, thank you.

Sincerely, Amy

--Amykimmers (talk) 05:35, 11 April 2020 (UTC)

• Hi Amykimmers - it looks like it was moved correctly! Shalor (Wiki Ed) (talk) 19:30, 13 April 2020 (UTC)

RE：Copyright/plagiarism in Baihao Yinzhen

Hi Moneytrees! Thank you for reminding me about the copyright issue. This is my first time editing a WIKI page and I'll pay attention to it in the future. I'll organize my information again and upload in the right way. Thanks! — Preceding unsigned comment added by KZZZ01 (talk • contribs) 14:49, 13 April 2020 (UTC)

• Thank you! Shalor (Wiki Ed) (talk) 19:31, 13 April 2020 (UTC)

Student project

Hallo, I noticed on the talk page of Mirabal sisters that it's the subject of a student project Wikipedia:Wiki Ed/Xavier University of Louisiana/Women in World History - 02 (Spring 2020) and that your name is associated with the project.

Looking at the course page it looks as if the students are expecting to create a nice polished draft and then, in week 7, move it into mainspace overwriting the existing article - for subjects like this one, Sylvia Pankhurst(C class), Marie Antoinette (B class and protected) and others.

This reads like a recipe for disaster, or at least for conflict between ill-advised students and the long-term editors who have worked on the existing articles. Is this really the model they are using? I hope not. PamD 20:52, 14 April 2020 (UTC)

Further: although the top of the course page talks about "Students will be making a small contribution to a page on a woman in history", the last couple of sections of week 6 imply a total rewrite. PamD 20:55, 14 April 2020 (UTC)

• Hi PamD - I think with the minor vs full edits part, this is because the Dashboard is typically set up for students making more major edits and as such, the timeline language is more specific to larger edits than smaller edits. I'll double check with the instructor and verify this. I'll also recommend that they focus on editing articles that are more in immediate need of editing (stub and start class). Shalor (Wiki Ed) (talk) 19:06, 15 April 2020 (UTC)

Debriefing - Best Practices

Hi, I received the below message that a subsection of the Debriefing article I was editing was removed:

"Debriefing[edit] Hi! I saw that you added a lot of content to the section on best practices. I've reverted this for the time being and wanted to explain why:

This was written in a very casual tone, as it was more of a "how to guide" than a neutrally written article. A section like this should summarize what has been written about efficiency and what elements tend to make up the best debriefings in reliable sources, but in a way that doesn't tell the reader "do this to have the best results", rather something along the lines of "researchers have noted that X, Y, and Z are common elements of successful debriefings". We also need to avoid subjective terms like "best" or "perfect" unless we're quoting someone who is making a statement. However even with that, in a section like this that should be kept to a minimum. Avoid using "we" and "you" - Wikipedia uses the formal third person. This needed more sourcing to back up claims, as much of the section was unsourced. I hope that this helps! Shalor (Wiki Ed) (talk) 13:39, 16 April 2020 (UTC)"

I have the following questions:

• Sorry if I may have missed this information, but is there a minimum number of sources that needed to be included?

I added one link to an online source which pointe to research that was performed by a professor at Rice Univeristy.

• My changes were not complete since this article edit is for a school project that is not yet due.

Instead of publishing changes prematurely, should I draft my changes outside of Wikipedia and then publish the changes when finalized or can I work on the article within Wikipedia?

• I intend to rename the subheading to "Common Practices in Debriefing". Can I republish my changes using this title and making changes based on your recommendations above?

Efurtado2 (talk) 15:39, 16 April 2020 (UTC)

• I'll respond on your talk page! Shalor (Wiki Ed) (talk) 20:24, 16 April 2020 (UTC)

Your contributed article, Siege of Carthage the Third Punic War

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Hello, I noticed that you recently created a new page, Siege of Carthage the Third Punic War. First, thank you for your contribution; Wikipedia relies solely on the efforts of volunteers such as you. Unfortunately, the page you created covers a topic on which we already have a page – Siege_of_Carthage_(Third_Punic_War). Because of the duplication, your article has been tagged for speedy deletion. Please note that this is not a comment on you personally and we hope you will continue helping to improve Wikipedia. If the topic of the article you created is one that interests you, then perhaps you would like to help out at Siege_of_Carthage_(Third_Punic_War). If you have new information to add, you might want to discuss it at the article's talk page.

If you think the article you created should remain separate, you may contest the nomination by visiting the page and clicking the button labelled "Contest this speedy deletion". This will give you the opportunity to explain why you believe the page should not be deleted. However, be aware that once a page is tagged for speedy deletion, it may be deleted without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag from the page yourself, but do not hesitate to add information in line with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. If the page is deleted, and you wish to retrieve the deleted material for future reference or improvement, then please contact the deleting administrator, or if you have already done so, you can place a request here. Additionally if you would like to have someone review articles you create before they go live so they are not nominated for deletion shortly after you post them, allow me to suggest the article creation process and using our search feature to find related information we already have in the encyclopedia. Try not to be discouraged. Wikipedia looks forward to your future contributions. creffett (talk) 23:32, 16 April 2020 (UTC)