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== Use of future dates ==
I removed the mention of shows in the West End that according to the dates mentioned no longer would going on at this time. One should be careful when listing dates in an article that a play or musical is expected to run till since readers may read the article after the dates mentioned and before the dates info can be updated to reflect past tense. --[[User:Cab88|Cab88]] 19:14, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

==Replacement Casting==
I was wondering what peoples thoughts were on replacement casts. I know that wicked has a complete history about who replaced whom and when. The pop stars that have played in Chicago have been mentioned in past iterations here. What's relevant and what's not when it comes to replacements? Is it worth mentioning celebrity replacements over regular cast turn over? I know there are hardcore Chicago fans who pay attention to who comes and goes in the chorus. Thoughts? <!-- Template:Unsigned --><small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Jadenbobaden|Jadenbobaden]] ([[User talk:Jadenbobaden#top|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Jadenbobaden|contribs]]) 00:01, 31 October 2006 (UTC)</small>

* Honestly I think the ''Rent'' and ''Wicked'' articles are way over the top and far too long, and very bad examples of what is needed for other "extra famous" musicals - "hardcore Chicago fans" have (or CAN have, if they haven't) their own sites, when all is said and done. Better to expend the energy in giving at least a little coverage to the many lesser known musicals (including the very interesting Kander and Ebb shows that for one reason or another didn't quite "make it"). <!-- Template:Unsigned --><small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Soundofmusicals|Soundofmusicals]] ([[User talk:Soundofmusicals#top|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Soundofmusicals|contribs]]) 06:42, 20 January 2007 (UTC)</small>

:I don't know who wrote the questions above, but my opinion is that the *Principal* cast lists of expecially notable productions can be given, but not chorus or understudies.  For other productions, it is sufficient to list, in the narrative, the most notable actors.  This show is a little different because of all the celebrity casting, but the table that is there is a pretty good idea.  The only thing I wish it showed was dates when these people appeared in the show.  -- [[User:Ssilvers|Ssilvers]] 17:54, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

== Poss Copyright violation ==
Having seen the show and bought a programme in London this past week, the synopsis text looks to be pretty much word-for-word what's in the programme.--[[User:FleetfootMike|FleetfootMike]] 08:21, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
: Was this updated and fixed? Or is the synopsis still very similar to the playbill? [[User:Go-editors|Go-editors]] ([[User talk:Go-editors|talk]]) 03:49, 5 February 2020 (UTC)

== Major Revamp ==
Did some major edits to the page, hope they are all okay :-D. All the information is still there except for the following

<blockquote>[[Bob Fosse]] was romantically involved with the original Roxies of both Broadway versions.  He was married to [[Gwen Verdon]] when she originated the role.  While still married to Verdon, Fosse also romanced [[Ann Reinking]], who would later choreograph the revival (one of Fosse's roles in the original) as well as play Roxie.</blockquote>

I wanted to get rid of the trivia section and this was the only piece I couldn't fit back in. So I decided to leave it here incase anybody else would like a shot at it. Cheers! --[[User:Omtay38|omtay38]] 05:11, 17 June 2007 (UTC)

:I moved a shorter version into the revival discussion.  Note: all the headings should start with a capital letter but then have all small letters - sentence case; not title case. I'll give this a more thorough review another time.  Why is the Act 2 summary so short? -- [[User:Ssilvers|Ssilvers]] 04:58, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

:: Thanks for the copy-edit! Actually, that's about all that happens in Act 2 without getting too wordy. It might do with a little more, but i'm goin to bed for the night. Although, I'm actually quite fond of this synopsis. It's a very good demonstration of how concise a synopsis can be. :-D --[[User:Omtay38|omtay38]] 05:10, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

==Musical analysis section==
The section appears to be [[WP:OR]].  Do you have any citations for any of these assertions?  If not, a song list, showing which character sings each song, would be preferable, as it can be sourced by IMDB. -- [[User:Ssilvers|Ssilvers]] 13:19, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

:I gotta take a look (i've misplaced my script) but i believe many (if not all) of these are noted in the script itself. Or how bout this: do you know of any libretto sites online? --[[User:Omtay38|omtay38]] 16:30, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

::Sorry, no I don't.  Would they would give free access to a valuable copyrighted property like this?  -- [[User:Ssilvers|Ssilvers]] 17:48, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

:I found a reference for some of the songs' allusions to vaudeville acts and added that.  We could probably use more. --[[User:Thomprod|Thomprod]] ([[User talk:Thomprod|talk]]) 15:22, 6 January 2009 (UTC)

:As a side note, Sergeant Fogarty is the name that Kander & Ebb gave to the police officer in "Funny Honey"; he as billed as such and is never referred to as "Inspector," so listing him as such would technically be incorrect. [[Special:Contributions/150.108.232.74|150.108.232.74]] ([[User talk:150.108.232.74|talk]]) 04:09, 6 December 2011 (UTC)

==Comments==
Here are some comments, as requested at the Project tasks page.  I looked at most of the article and made some minor changes, adding a reference to the Playbill longest-runs information and some bluelinks, adding a little historical information and deleting some repetition.  It is a nice article, but it obviously requires all the assertions to be referenced.  -- [[User:Ssilvers|Ssilvers]] 17:25, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

:Also, in the Famous Actors table, can you indicate (maybe with footnote numbers?  or else row indications on the left?) which production each person was in? -- [[User:Ssilvers|Ssilvers]] 03:45, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

::I can't quite understand how to read the Famous Actors table. It would be nice to have some indication about how the table is organized, and as to why several names (Jennifer Ellison as Roxie Hart for example) appears multiple times in the same column.  [[Special:Contributions/67.80.94.119|67.80.94.119]] ([[User talk:67.80.94.119|talk]]) 23:45, 24 December 2007 (UTC)

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== Notable cast table ==
That table doesn't seem to make any sense.  I know this has been brought up before, but I'm wondering what can be done to/for it.  It's essentially a bulletted list of people who've been in the show.  Can we find some way for it to impart actual information?  &mdash;&nbsp;[[User:MusicMaker5376|<span style="color: #6633FF;">Music</span>]][[User Talk:MusicMaker5376|<span style="color: #3366FF;">Maker</span>]][[Special:Contributions/MusicMaker5376|<span style="color: #9966FF;">5376</span>]] 15:38, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

: It's entirely [[WP:OR]] and/or [[WP:POV]] anyway, not to mention a disorganized, hard to interpret list of cast members, not casts with nearly all the productions unlabeled.  There seems to be no standard for notability, making it a catch-all for any cast member from any production anyone's heard of and entirely unsourced other than one or two sources that verify a given performer was in a given production.  I can't see any argument for inclusion, and have removed it entirely. [[User:Drmargi|Drmargi]] ([[User talk:Drmargi|talk]]) 11:04, 9 August 2009 (UTC)

== To-do list:  Copy edit request ==
The Synopsis section seems well-written and very concise.  I can't find any copy-editing faults with the rest of the article.  Perhaps this has been accomplished and the point can be removed from the "to do" list? --[[User:Thomprod|Thomprod]] ([[User talk:Thomprod|talk]]) 15:27, 6 January 2009 (UTC)

== Unsourced Information ==
Below information was unsourced for well over a year. Please feel free to reincorporate into the article with appropriate references. The sourced information has been retained. [[User:Doniago|Doniago]] ([[User talk:Doniago|talk]]) 20:22, 12 December 2011 (UTC)

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<div style="font-size:112%;">===International productions===
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There have been professional productions of ''Chicago'' in [[Denmark]], [[Norway]], [[Finland]], [[Sweden]], the [[Netherlands]], [[France]], [[Germany]], [[Italy]], [[Iceland]], [[Romania]], [[South Korea]], [[Portugal]], [[Brazil]], [[Spain]], [[Mexico]], [[Argentina]], [[Russia]], [[Canada]], [[Belgium]], [[Austria]], [[Ireland]], [[Scotland]], [[Greece]], [[Israel]], [[South Africa]], [[China]], [[Australia]], [[Singapore]], [[Poland]], [[Czech Republic]], [[Thailand]] and the [[United Arab Emirates]], as well as amateur productions in [[Croatia]], [[Serbia]], [[Spain]], [[Hungary]], [[New Zealand]], [[Cyprus]], [[Norway]], [[India]], [[Philippines]], [[Pakistan]], [[Turkey]]<ref>[http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/n.php?n=chicago-comes-to-istanbul-2010-09-24 'Chicago' Comes to İstanbul] Hürriyet Daily News</ref> and [[Albania]].

An Australian production with [[Nancye Hayes]] as Roxie Hart, [[Geraldine Turner]] as Velma Kelly and [[Terrance Donovan]] as Billy Flynn in the early 1980s.

''Chicago'' has given the opportunity for the stars of foreign productions to make their Broadway debuts including [[Bianca Marroquin]] (Mexico), [[Denise Van Outen]] (UK), [[Terra C. Macleod]] (France and Canada), [[Petra Nielsen]] (Sweden), [[Ute Lemper]] (UK), [[Ruthie Henshall]] (UK), [[Anna Montanaro]] (Austria and Germany) [[Pia Douwes]] (The Netherlands), [[Marti Pellow]] (UK),[[Caroline O'Connor (actress)|Caroline O'Connor]] (Australia), [http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marco_Zunino Marco Zunino] (Perú).

The first Japanese-language production of the Tony-winning revival of Kander and Ebb's Chicago debuted in October 2008 at the Akasaka ACT Theatre in Tokyo, Japan, followed by an engagement at Osaka's Umeda Art Theatre.<ref>[http://www.japantoday.com/category/entertainment/view/ryoko-yonekura-kicks-off-musical-chicago Ryoko Yonekura kicks off musical 'Chicago'] Japan Today</ref>

Presented by Barry and Fran Weissler in association with Tokyo Broadcasting System, Inc. and Kyodo Tokyo Inc., the production starred [[Ryoko Yonekura]] as Roxie Hart, [[Yōka Wao]] as Velma Kelly and [[Ryuichi Kawamura]] as Billy Flynn.

Although the touring production of Chicago was first presented in Japan in 1999 — it has since toured the country three times — this will mark the first production of the hit musical to be heard in Japanese.

A [[Spain|Spanish]] production of the revival opened at Teatro Coliseum, [[Madrid]] on November 26, 2009 and closed on July 18, 2010, after a very successful season. Produced by [[Stage Entertainment]], the cast included [[Natalia Millan|Natalia Millán]] as Velma Kelly, Marcela Paoli as Roxie Hart, Manuel Bandera as Billy Flynn, Fedor de Pablos as Amos Hart, Linda Mirabal as Mama Morton and Gerónimo Rauch as Mary Sunshine. On August 12, the Spanish production started a national tour with some changes in the cast, including [[Marta Ribera]] as Velma Kelly, María Blanco as Roxie Hart, Carlos Lozano as Billy Flynn (later replaced by Manuel Rodríguez) and Jaume Giró as Mary Sunshine.</div>
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A series of articles under this topic have been nominated at [[Wikipedia:Today's articles for improvement/Nominations#Arts|The Today's Article For Improvement project]]. What we do is organise collaborations between editors whereby each week we focus on bringing an article up to GA/FA. Please head over there and support (or oppose) the nominated articles.--[[User:Coin945|Coin945]] ([[User talk:Coin945|talk]]) 08:43, 26 October 2015 (UTC)

== 1981 Australia ==
I just added a paragraph on the original Australian production to the Productions section. I put this as its own section given its status as a major production early in the musical's life, pre-dating the wave of international replica and other productions following the 1996 Broadway revival. [[User:Boneymau|Boneymau]] ([[User talk:Boneymau|talk]]) 04:09, 21 May 2017 (UTC)

==Importance of the removed paragraph==
Dear [[User:‎110.22.196.247|110.22.196.247]], I noticed you removed a large paragraph on the 2017 production of Chicago. It wasn't a "school production," and it was actually importance info. Thanks. [[User:Heliozoan|Heliozoan]] ([[User talk:Heliozoan|talk]]) 00:43, 22 January 2018 (UTC)
: I can't tell if this production is with student actors or not, but the paragraph needed to be trimmed of peacock language and non-notable people. [[User:Leschnei|Leschnei]] ([[User talk:Leschnei|talk]]) 01:48, 22 January 2018 (UTC)

==Watkins profession==
Intro identified Maurine Dallas Watkins only as a reporter. That is an important fact in this context, but it gives the false impression that she came from left field and wrote the play. Watkins was first and foremost an accomplished professional playwright, so I've added that. [[User:Gowser|Gowser]] ([[User talk:Gowser|talk]]) 12:23, 12 August 2024 (UTC)