Talk:Irish Football Association

Players from RoI

Nevertheless, until 2006, the Northern Irish national team was allowed to field players from the Republic of Ireland, as well as those from Northern Ireland.

Is there a better source for this? The BBC Sport story doesn't really say this. People in Northern Ireland are able to take out passports from both the UK and RoI and many for various reasons (usually, but not exclusively, community identity) only have Irish passports. But I don't think this meant that anyone with an Irish, or for that matter UK, passport was eligible for the NI team. The FIFA ruling seems more about enforcing a regulation on verification rather than an ending of a previous allowance of players from the Republic. See Talk:Northern Ireland national football team#Selection criteria for more on this. Timrollpickering 20:22, 17 June 2006 (UTC)

Irish Sports

The Irish Football Association is included in the Irish Sports infobox. The IFA is one of about four major sports organisations in Ireland. The Irish Sports infobox belongs on this page. --Eamonnca1 03:56, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

While it may seem to be connected in someway to the article, its a football related info box, and looks totally out of place --Ifcp1 05:10, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

'Out of place?' How is a football-related infobox 'out of place' on a football-related page? Your trying to make some sort of political point doesn't count. The IFA is one of four football organisations in Ireland, all of which are listed in that infobox. The links are to the IRFU, the GAA, the IFA and the FAI. Please explain how this box is to appear on every one of those pages except the IFA one. --Eamonnca1 05:21, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

The very fact that it lists only 4 sports when it is called "irish sport" shows that its out of place, how can it only list 4 sports organizations, this would almost imply that only those 3 sports come under irish sport, this is not a political point whatsoever, so maybe we should look to improving the infobox before it is placed in the IFA page, for me personnally i'm trying to improve the info boxes over the whole board when it comes to Northern Ireland Football, from national team right down to the amatuar clubs and players.

--Ifcp1 12:33, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

I'd like to suggest renaming the template Football codes in Ireland (Gnevin 19:06, 22 January 2007 (UTC))

How about 'Football Governing Bodies in Ireland?' The FAI is a body but not a code, for example. --Eamonnca1 20:48, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

I think Irish Sport works, but lets expand it, bring in things like horse and, grayhound racing, Cricket etc, sports that involve everyday life in Ireland really.--Ifcp1 23:19, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

I'll buy that. Before we do though, we'll have to add pages for Cycling Ireland, Athletics Ireland, etc. if we don't want the template to fill up with red links. Don't forget to sign your comments. --Eamonnca1 22:29, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

I'd suggest all of of these could be added Category:Sports governing bodies in Ireland. If no one objects i will add

Well only one that i mignt not add is Australian Rules Football League of Ireland (Gnevin 22:50, 22 January 2007 (UTC))

Ok, now i have updated the irish sport info box so as wee can tag on the end of the other info boxes, for some reason it had a strange demension previously, but i hope its sits nicely now.--Ifcp1 02:07, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

I've reverted back to A to Z order (Gnevin 12:49, 25 January 2007 (UTC))

The problem with this info box is still there, it is now placed twice on the page, plus its the wrong demension, it should be tagged on the end of the other info box, i spent an hour fixing that last night. --Ifcp1 20:40, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

Simple fix to a simple problem ,the size doenst have to match up prefectly its going to be on many pages it cant be made to suit just one (Gnevin 20:42, 25 January 2007 (UTC))

Cumann Sacair na hÉireann

Is 'Sacair' really the Irish word for soccer? I thought that 'soccer' was derived from American English, so it seems a bit odd to have an Irish word that sounds like it. I would have thought 'Peile' would have been a more appropriate word. I know 'Peile' generally refers to gaelic football, but surely it can also be used as a generic word for all codes. --Eamonnca1 18:51, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

I tend to hear sacar used more than peil to desribe soccer. Even live soccer in TG4 goes under the programme name "Sacar Beo". I would always tend to use sacar, but maybe thats because I call it "soccer" in English anyway. I'm not fussed either way though. Derry Boi 19:57, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

Yes, 'sacar' is indeed the Irish word for soccer and has been used in the language for at least fifty years. De Bhaldraithe (1959) has it as does Niall Ó Dónaill (1977). focal.ie also gives 'sacar'. The genitive of 'sacar' being 'sacair'. (First declension, masculine noun). 'Peil' (genitive 'peile)' can refer to both soccer and Gaelic Football. in Corca Dhuibhne, the word 'peil' is rarely used for Gaelic Football being replaced by 'caid'. Like Derry Boi, I tend to call soccer 'soccer' and Gaelic football 'football' An Muimhneach Machnamhach 17:00, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

Is there a better reference for the term "Cumann Sacair na hÉireann", the source gives this same translation for the FAI [1] as for IFA. I know this source would be unacceptable for inclusion in the wiktionary, is there perhaps an instance of usage out there somewhere? The Fashion Icon 20:11, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

Interesting can of worms there. It's possible to switch the words around like that in English and get two acronyms that could mean the same thing, but I don't know of any way to switch them in Irish. --Eamonnca1 21:24, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

Interesting can of worms indeed. Eamonnca1 is quite right about the word order in Irish ending up the same for both. The only feasible way around this would be to call one 'Sacarchumann na hÉireann' and the other 'Cumann Sacair na hÉireann', though which should be applied to which is anyone's guess. Both names in English are one and the same thing, essentially, irrespective of the word order. Note that focal.ie also gives 'Cumann Sacair Thuaisceart Éireann' (Football Association of NI) for the IFA and 'Cumann Sacair Phoblacht na hÉireann' (FA of ROI) for the FAI, probably as a necessary way of diffrentiating the two although given the history of the split between the two organisations, using ROI and NI in the title of either would probably open an even bigger can of worms! An Muimhneach Machnamhach 09:12, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

I think a lot of this is verging on original research, I suppose the questions to ask are "what term do Irish speakers use?" and "Does the IFA have an official translation of the name". It is entirely possible that the English language names are used in everyday Irish language speech. The Fashion Icon 10:21, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

Irish speakers themselves would be more likly to simply call the FAI 'an FAI' and refer to the IFA as 'Cumann Sacair na Sé Chontae' ('Six Counties FA') or 'Cumann Sacair an Tuaiscirt' ('Northern FA') in everyday speech. Granted, of course, that that is borderline original research as you say yourself. I see the FAI on their website have 'Cumann Peile na hÉireann' so it looks like we should stick with that for the FAI but I think the entries from focal.ie should also be included in the FAI article. Focal.ie is the official terminological database run under the auspices of Foras na Gaeilge. The IFA website, not surprisingly, doesn't have any Irish title. As for the Irish version of IFA, I think we should use both versions given on focal.ie: Cumann Sacair na hÉireann and Cumann Sacair Thuaisceart Éireann. I suggest both be inserted in the article and a link created to focal.ie An Muimhneach Machnamhach 11:01, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

As depressing as the outcome is, I don't think we can argue with Foras na Gaeilge, however I wouldnt be too dismissive that the IFA hasn't given itself an Irish name at some stage, with a 125 year history, much of it as an All-Ireland body, it would seem likely to have happened at some point, however finding it may be a different story The Fashion Icon 12:29, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

I've posted a note on Wikipedia_talk:Avoid_neologisms#Possible_neoligism_problem, perhaps input from someone with different expertise can contribute to this "can of worms" The Fashion Icon 17:54, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

Why is Irish used at all? Where is the reference on the IFA website?Traditional unionist 23:06, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

It's not unreasonable for the (former) governing body of Irish football to have it's name in Irish, however my concern is the term given may be a neoligism unused by the IFA or native speakers The Fashion Icon 08:52, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

It's pretty unlikley that anyone will be able to properly source this as I should imagine that the IFA never use Irish. If it can't be sourced it shouldn't be here.Traditional unionist 09:46, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

Foras na Gaeilge is about as an authoritive source as you are going to get on the Irish language, and imagination would probably fail WP:verify, but hopefully someone will respond to the query on Wikipedia:Avoid_neologisms and bring some perspective to the issue. The Fashion Icon 10:44, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

The point is that the IFA don't use Irish, ergo Irish cannot be used on wikipedia.Traditional unionist 13:39, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

I think you are right, usage is important, although I wouldn't restrict it to just the IFA, I think demonstatable usage by any interested party should be acceptable either in Ireland (up to 1954) or NI (post 1954). Inclusion of a term in a dictionary is proof of existance, not proof of usage. As it stands the term would fail "request for verification" in the Wiktionary, and would not be included there. The Fashion Icon —Preceding unsigned comment added by The Fashion Icon (talk • contribs) 08:13, 2 September 2007 (UTC)

Irish Farmers Association

Incidentally, I'm surprised there isn't a disambiguation link to 'IFA' seeing as one is more likely to think of IFA standing for the Irish Farmers Association than for the Irish Football Association. An Muimhneach Machnamhach 11:34, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

Silly me! I see there already is one. An Muimhneach Machnamhach 11:50, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

Disambiguation

At most, this should be a disambiguation page, with both pages listed, Football Association of Ireland first. Otherwise, it should simply redirect to the Northern Ireland Football Association article. This one shouldn't be suffixed Irish since its known to the world as Northern Ireland. — Preceding unsigned comment added by IMakeItNasty (talk • contribs) 22:38, 3 October 2019 (UTC)

"Northern Ireland national futsal team" listed at Redirects for discussion

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