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Deletion discussion for Settler colonialism in Australia
[edit]I have nominated the aforementioned stub article for deletion and in order to ensure there is a discussion or at least a break in the deadlock I wish to inform editors here. Cheers, Will Thorpe (talk) 04:53, 9 November 2024 (UTC)
New article Richard Norden (soldier) who was today posthumously awarded the Victoria Cross. DigitalPanda (talk) 10:09, 11 November 2024 (UTC)
Indigenous Australian artists vs Australian Aboriginal artists
[edit]Is there a difference between this categories? Category:Indigenous Australian artists and Category:Australian Aboriginal artists. LibStar (talk) 23:48, 11 November 2024 (UTC)
- Indigenous is a broader term, including Torres Straight Islanders and other people born in Australia. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 23:56, 11 November 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks LibStar (talk) 00:16, 12 November 2024 (UTC)
- So all people currently in Category:Indigenous Australian artists, except Alick Tipoti and Ken Thaiday Snr, ought to be in Category:Australian Aboriginal artists? -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 00:32, 12 November 2024 (UTC)
- No, I think the other way around. LibStar (talk) 01:18, 12 November 2024 (UTC)
- According to WP:CATSPECIFIC, subjects ought to placed into the most specific category. If Category:Indigenous Australian artists is the broader category and Category:Australian Aboriginal artists the more specific, my suggestion is valid. Whether a Category:Torres Strait Islander artists is needed, IMO it is, is a different matter. I can't see why a person should be in both. -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 05:17, 12 November 2024 (UTC)
- Presumably if they have both ancestries and are part of both communities? 5225C (talk • contributions) 05:21, 12 November 2024 (UTC)
- According to WP:CATSPECIFIC, subjects ought to placed into the most specific category. If Category:Indigenous Australian artists is the broader category and Category:Australian Aboriginal artists the more specific, my suggestion is valid. Whether a Category:Torres Strait Islander artists is needed, IMO it is, is a different matter. I can't see why a person should be in both. -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 05:17, 12 November 2024 (UTC)
- No, I think the other way around. LibStar (talk) 01:18, 12 November 2024 (UTC)
- So all people currently in Category:Indigenous Australian artists, except Alick Tipoti and Ken Thaiday Snr, ought to be in Category:Australian Aboriginal artists? -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 00:32, 12 November 2024 (UTC)
- 1. Should Category:Indigenous Australian artists also have a subcat Category:Torres Strait Islander artists?
- 2. If so, how should artists of both Aboriginal and TSI descent be categorised? Dual catted?
- 3. Who would be considered Australian "indigenous" but not Aboriginal and/or TSI? (Are there any artists who should appear at the top level Category:Indigenous Australian artists?)
- 4. Ellen José is currently listed under Category:Australian Aboriginal artists, but I can't see that she fits that cat -- she is of TSI and overseas descent. There may be other TSI artists similarly (mis?)categorised.
- ~Hydronium~Hydroxide~(Talk)~ 02:17, 12 November 2024 (UTC)
- Good points. Agree with point 1. LibStar (talk) 02:19, 12 November 2024 (UTC)
- I would suggest: (1) Yes. (2) Yes, dual-categorised. (3) Likely only artists who have not specified which group they belong to. 5225C (talk • contributions) 05:28, 12 November 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks LibStar (talk) 00:16, 12 November 2024 (UTC)
I am having difficulty finding sources on this person. Having a common name doesn't help, the sole source provided is dead. LibStar (talk) 05:31, 15 November 2024 (UTC)
- Have you tried Trove? I can see https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/110920364?searchTerm=%22David%20Williams%22%20legislative https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/250282927?searchTerm=%22David%20Williams%22%20legislative https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/110920048?searchTerm=%22David%20Williams%22%20legislative. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 12:08, 15 November 2024 (UTC)
Comments requested at Talk:Yanchep line
[edit]Comments at Talk:Yanchep line#Proposed merge of Northern Suburbs Transit System into Yanchep line from members of this WikiProject are requested please. Steelkamp (talk) 06:07, 16 November 2024 (UTC)
Good article reassessment for Hoodoo Gurus
[edit]Hoodoo Gurus has been nominated for a good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the reassessment page. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. Z1720 (talk) 02:16, 19 November 2024 (UTC)
Two Wikipedians in search of a standard
[edit]Australian articles are a mess as to the abbreviation and capitalization of "Junior" in postnoms.
I had been blithely using jr Jr. Jnr and all sorts of variations until it was brought to my attention that, in Australian usage, a full stop (period) is not attached to an abbreviation where the last letter is retained. My Macquarie encyclopaedic dictionary confirmed Jr for "Junior", quite prescriptively.
My Fowler's English Usage gives similar advice. Under "period (full stop) in abbreviations" it has Abbreviations are chiefly made in two ways: one by giving the beginning of the word in one or more letters and then stopping, the other by dropping out some portion of the middle. Those of the first kind are rightly ended with a period, but the common practice of doing the same to the second is ill advised. It then goes on to recommend Mr for Mister, Capt. for Captain, Cpl for Corporal, Geo. for George and Thos for Thomas, Lat. for Latin and Gk for Greek and ht wt for hit wicket. Curiously, I find no mention of "Junior" in that little article, nor sandwiched between "junction" and "junta". Ditto "Senior".
The Wikipedia article American and British English spelling differences#Acronyms and abbreviations says Contractions where the final letter is present are often written in British English without full stops/periods (Mr, Mrs, Dr, St, [sic] Ave). Abbreviations where the final letter is not present generally do take full stops/periods (such as vol., etc., i.e., ed.); British English shares this convention with the French: Mlle, Mme, Dr, Ste, but M. for Monsieur. In American and Canadian English, abbreviations like St., Ave., Mr., Mrs., Ms., Dr., and Jr., usually require full stops/periods. Should we be actively enforcing this convention in articles labelled {{Use Australian English}}? Doug butler (talk) 21:34, 30 November 2024 (UTC)