Art

Art in Conversation is generously sponsored by the Helen Frankenthaler Foundation

Catherine Goodman, Echo, 2024. Oil on linen, 77 1/8 x 84 1/4 x 1 5/8 inches. © Catherine Goodman. Courtesy the artist and Hauser & Wirth. Photo: Eva Herzog.

For London-based artist Catherine Goodman CBE, drawing and painting are meditative acts, whether performed in the silence of her studio or the landscapes that call her back time and again. She infuses her practice with inspiration gleaned from poetry, film, travel, and memory. Goodman and Ann C. Collins met over Zoom to talk about Silent Music, Goodman’s exhibition at Hauser & Wirth that presents large-scale abstract paintings that pulse with her expressive brushwork and vivacious use of color. 

Tuan Andrew Nguyen, Circle Burst, 2024. 155mm artillery shells, brass from artillery shell, brass from pounded artillery shells, powder coat, concrete, bell tuned to G3, 192.43 Hz, 72 x 94 1/2 inches. © Tuan Andrew Nguyen 2025. Courtesy the artist and James Cohan, New York. Photo: Dan Bradica.

Tuan Andrew Nguyen was born in 1976 in Sài Gòn, Việt Nam before his family moved to the United States. His work explores the multifaceted qualities of memory, be they historical, social, personal, and how those qualities inform our present moment. On the occasion of Nguyen’s exhibition, Lullaby of Cannons for the Night, he spoke with poet and translator Quyên Nguyễn-Hoàng about his kinetic sculptures crafted from bomb fragments, the two-channel video installation which makes use of the song lyrics of Vietnamese poet and musician Trịnh Công Sơn, and the unsettling relationship of idolization and extinction.

Lucio Pozzi, Untitled, 2002. Acrylic on plywood, 30 x 9 x 2 inches (variable). Courtesy the artist.

Widely regarded as an elusive multidisciplinary artist who traverses abstraction, figuration, photography and performance, Lucio Pozzi defies easy categorization. Throughout his six-decade career, his art has thwarted conventional art-historical analysis and sidestepped trends in critical art theory.

Sin Wai Kin, The Time of Our Lives, 2024. Initiated by Accelerator and co-produced with Kunsthall Trondheim, Canal Projects, and Blindspot Gallery, supported by Vince Guo. Courtesy the artist.

Sin Wai Kin brings fantasy to life through storytelling and moving image, performance and writing. Their work realizes alternate worlds to describe lived experiences of desire, identification, and consciousness. Sin’s film, A Dream of Wholeness in Parts (2021) was nominated for the 2022 Turner Prize, as well as screened at the British Film Institute’s 65th London Film Festival. Their work has been featured in solo and group exhibitions internationally. In mid-February Sin joined McKenzie Wark on the New Social Environment (Episode 1160) to discuss their new exhibition, The End Time!.

Paolo Colombo, On Land, 2020. Watercolor on paper, 44 x 59 inches (112 x 150 centimeters). Courtesy the artist. © Boris Kirpotin.

As he recounts in this interview, self-taught, Turin-born artist Paolo Colombo began working as a painter and drawer and writer in the early 1970s, but stopped in 1986 to begin a twenty-one-year career as a curator of contemporary art in the United States, Europe, and Turkey. Today, his intricate, intimate images and word-image hybrids bridge worlds and times. They are sparked both by the formal and philosophical innovations of the modernist avant-garde and by the wonders of history, especially of literature and the ancient world.

David Diao, Polish Constructivism - Red, 2024. Acrylic on canvas, 66 x 54 inches. Courtesy the artist and Greene Naftali, New York. Photo: Júlia Standovár.

David Diao’s current exhibition at Greene Naftali, Put to the Test, surveys his paintings from the early seventies through to the present. In December he sat down with painter and writer Joe Fyfe, who first met him in the early eighties and has kept up with him and his work since that time.

Portrait of Karen Brooks Hopkins, pencil on paper by Phong H. Bui.

The following conversation between Karen Brooks Hopkins and Bryan Doerries includes new thoughts on Karen’s remarkable book, the history and evolution of BAM, the launch of BAM KBH—and the challenges and opportunities of sustaining artists and arts organizations in this precarious time.

Börje Axelsson, Untitled (Sápmi), ca. 1970. Courtesy the author.
By Adania Shibli

Contemplating the cruelty in reality with the truth of poetry seems to be the only path to tread between snow and fire in recent winter days. Aednan, as it recites the life of a Sámi family over more than a century, starting in early spring in 1913, appears to be the place that remains for those who are being chased away from memories; expelled from history.

Jacqueline Humphries, jHΩ1:), 2018. Oil on linen, 114 x 127 inches. Courtesy the artist and Greene Naftali, New York. Photo: Jason Mandella.

Like her paintings, Jacqueline Humphries has established a subliminal presence in the art world, composed of intrigue and integrity. One of our most requested subjects for an interview over the years, her innate sense of privacy always returned a polite “no.” Finally we met in a large brilliant white studio in Red Hook, Brooklyn, where the paintings loomed over us—cathedral-like machines of light and energy. Our conversation veered obliquely around topics small and large, and Humphries asks as many questions as she answers.

Sara Cwynar, Ferrari Parts I, 2024. © Sara Cywnar. Courtesy the artist and 52 Walker.

Sara Cwynar’s current exhibition, Baby Blue Benzo, centers unattainable desire: that drug-like haze of possibility seducing the mind while convincing the body to stay at work. In October, Cwynar and Chloe Stagaman spoke over Zoom about desire, her recent photoshoot with Pamela Anderson, the color blue, and Baby Blue Benzo’s central protagonist: the dream car.

Mara De Luca, Cut Western Clouds, 2024. Mixed media on cut canvas with copper plated elements, 48 × 42 × 3 inches. Courtesy the artist and TOTAH.

On the occasion of Mara De Luca’s upcoming exhibition at TOTAH, artist and Rail Editor-at-Large Tom McGlynn paid a visit to De Luca’s studio. They engaged in a wide-ranging conversation about the “critical core” of De Luca’s work, the influence of the West Coast on her practice, and by what means the painting can invent itself.

 

Lee Mary Manning, Both (Ode to Will S), 2023. Chromogenic prints, mat board, watercolor, paper, artist’s frame, 35 × 29 1/2 × 1 1/2 inches (framed). Courtesy the artist and CANADA. Photo: Joe DeNardo.

Lee Mary Manning practices a lost art: looking closely and paying attention. Their photographic compositions are comprised of snapshot-sized prints of closely observed details—a braid, a sunflower, the zipper of a sweatshirt—often combined with carefully chosen bits of ephemera (decorative paper bags, a tangle of yarn). The resulting works—far more than the sum of their parts—are deceptively simple and deeply evocative.

Edith Kramer, Wild Sunflowers in Bucket, 1990. 30 x 24 inches. Courtesy Suzanne Hudson.

Dec/Jan 2024–25The Irving Sandler Essay

All the Feels

By Suzanne Hudson

With a sense of first vague, then specific discomfit, it became clear to me that I had been hiding behind other people’s art. I made an alibi of that art. How presumptuous are the supposed competences that authorize us to interpret the art of others. I picked at the scab. Why the disciplinary fixation on the artist’s intentions—as meaning but also in the opacity of refusal—with comparably little attention paid to our own?

Aliza Nisenbaum, Backstage at the MET, The Quick Change Booth (Traviata) (Detail), 2023. Oil on linen, diptych, 95 x 75 inches each. (Overall: 95 x 150 inches.) Courtesy the artist and Anton Kern gallery. Photo: Izzy Leung.
By Erin Yerby

Painting becomes theater and theater becomes painting in these four works by Aliza Nisenbaum at the Met Opera. Revealed is the iridescence of the surface that is opera—the color, artifice, pageantry, and gestural drama—while also foregrounding, via conscious construction, the designers, make-up artists, directors, and stagecraft labor that goes into opera as “total art form.” Engaging the language of opera, along with its complex production, Nisenbaum conducted behind-the-scenes research in the Met archive, immersed in photographs, costumes, wigs, the workings of stage design and set machinery, and in conversation with four different Divas preparing for one of the most difficult roles in opera: that of “Violetta,” the archetypal nineteenth-century ‘fallen woman,’ in Giuseppe Verdi’s La Traviata.

Paula Modersohn-Becker, Self-Portrait on the Sixth Wedding Day, 1906. Oil on Canvas. Courtesy the Paula Modersohn-Becker Museum, Bremen.
By Stephanie Buhmann

Paula Modersohn-Becker (1876–1907) holds a unique place in art history, bridging the late nineteenth and early twentieth centuries, a period in Europe marked by the transition from Post-Impressionism to Expressionism. Despite her undeniable significance, reflected partially in the fact that a museum was dedicated to her in Bremen as early as 1927 (the first in the world devoted to a female artist no less), her work has never been the focus of a U.S. museum retrospective, until now.

Joel Sternfeld, New York City, (#2), 1976. Courtesy the artist.

Joel Sternfeld has been photographing the American landscape for nearly half a century. When his seminal book, American Prospects, was first published in 1987, it was immediately recognized as a significant achievement. On the occasion of American Prospects going on view at the Bruce Museum, Sternfeld joined art historian Geoffrey Batchen to discuss what it means to travel with the seasons, how he thinks about color, and the influence of Paul Klee on his sense of aesthetics.

Bruce Nauman, Untitled (Turning, Swinging and Striking) Dedicated to Bruce Hamilton and Susanna Carlisle, 2024 (still). 4K (UHD) 60fps 3D projection (color, stereo sound), continuous play; 1 4K (UHD) video source, 1 4K (UHD) video projector, 2 speakers; projection size: 126 1/4 x 206 inches; 2:05 minutes. Edition of 5. Courtesy the artist © 2024 Bruce Nauman / Artists Rights Society (ARS). Courtesy Sperone Westwater, New York.

On the occasion of Bruce Nauman’s exhibition, Begin Again, the artist spoke with Michael Auping about his new work. Apropos the show’s title, their conversation covered not only the present, but aspects of the artist’s early life and career. Along the way, details and connections enlighten how art and life are intimately woven together in Nauman’s process. His feelings about Rothenberg’s passing are also touched on in a discussion of a series of unusual drawings he made after her death. All in all, it is a wide-ranging and unusually personal interview with the artist.

Haim Steinbach, Particle Board with Black Shapes #25, 1976. Oil stick on particle board. 23 × 23 inches. Courtesy Galleria Lia Rumma. Photo: Agostino Osio.

Following the opening of his solo exhibition at Galleria Lia Rumma, Haim Steinbach sat down with art historian and curator Francesca Pietropaolo to discuss—among other things—art as “display,” the object, language, the vernacular, the everyday, architecture, social exchange, the digital, and music. What follows is the edited version of a much longer conversation. 

Sonia Boyce, Exquisite Tension, 2006. Single-channel HD colour video with sound and archive colour photographic print, 4 minutes. © Sonia Boyce. All Rights Reserved, DACS/Artimage 2024. Courtesy the artist, APALAZZOGALLERY and Hauser & Wirth Gallery.

On the occasion of an interconnected pair of exhibitions at the Whitechapel Gallery—one for which Boyce co-curated the work of Lygia Clark, and the other of which presents Boyce’s work—the artist joined Mark Hudson on the Rail’s New Social Environment (Episode #1023) to discuss her deep appreciation for Lygia Clark, the role of performance in her own work, and the importance of engaging with one’s audience.

Mel Bochner, 48" Standards (#1), 1969. Brown paper stapled to wall, black tape and Letraset, 38 x 50 inches. Courtesy the artist and Peter Freeman, Inc., New York / Paris.

In the late sixties, Mel Bochner began making works of art that were measurements. These took many different forms, some more ephemeral than others, and challenged notions about what an artwork could be. Among this expansive body of work is a series called “48" Standards,” which the artist developed over the course of a month in a notebook of graph paper. For the first time, the complete set will be exhibited in New York. Ahead of the installation the artist spoke with Rail Managing Editor Charles M Schultz about the origins of his measurement works in Singer Labs, the musical subtext of the “48" Standards,” and what happens if you just stop believing in the things you’re supposed to believe in.

Franne Davids, Untitled, ca. 1979–2018. Oil on canvas. 40 x 54 inches. Courtesy of Ricco/Maresca.
By Lyle Rexer

Lyle Rexer writes about Franne Davids known as Franne, who was born in Connecticut in 1950.  By the late seventies, she was diagnosed with paranoid schizophrenia. The basement of her parents' house became her studio, and she immersed herself in painting. At her death in 2022, Franne Davids left behind forty-two large paintings on canvas and some 550 works on paper. By happenstance or providence, depending on your view of the universe, this legacy came to the attention of Frank Maresca, an expert and dealer in outsider art.

LEILAH BABIRYE with Ksenia M. Soboleva

I first met Leilah Babirye through Instagram in 2018, which led to a studio visit that started an ongoing conversation. I was struck by her ability to transform trash into treasure, using found materials to reflect on the adversities she had faced and to envision a brighter future.

Robert Longo, Untitled (Cindy), from the series “Men in the Cities,” 1979–83. Charcoal and graphite on paper, 96 x 58 3/8 inches. © Robert Longo / ARS, New York 2024.

This fall, the polymathic artist Robert Longo will see four different solo exhibitions open within a month of each other. Longo and I spoke in his studio in August 2024 before he traveled to Europe, in a conversation that ranged from his current shows to his beginnings as an artist, from how he finds and uses images gleaned from the internet to his desire to make work that is immediate—that “happens every time you see it.”

Portrait of Laurent Le Bon, pencil on paper by Phong H. Bui.

An art historian by training, Laurent Le Bon served as Director of the Musée Picasso prior to his appointment as the President of the Centre Pompidou. In the conversation that follows, Le Bon discusses the importance of returning to the testimony of Brancusi, staying true to the mandates of the museum’s architects, and the Guggenheim as a pioneer of international satellite institutions.

Pepón Osorio, Badge of Honor, 1995. Courtesy the artist.

Pepón Osorio is known for his provocative, large scale multimedia installations that merge conceptual art and community dynamics. Osorio has worked with over twenty-five communities across the United States and internationally, creating installations based on their real-life experiences. The artist spoke with Dan Cameron on the occasion of Osorio’s exhibition, Convalescence, at the Thomas Jefferson University medical campus in Philadelphia.

Walter Price, Step into the Spotlight, 2018. Acrylic on canvas, 84 x 84 inches. Walker Art Center, Minneapolis. Edward R. Bazinet Charitable Foundation, 2020. Courtesy the artist and Greene Naftali, New York.

The paintings of Walter Price have breath. They are nuanced. They are fluid, and they freely associate. Sometimes this fluidity breaks. It staggers, it stops, it snaps, only to give way to new formation. The paintings transcend even the simplest of polemics. They are nimble and difficult worlds. Michelle Grabner spoke with Price on the occasion of Pearl Lines, his exhibition at the Walker Art Center.

Tombarolian Crossings
By Sara Nadal-Melsió

The word “tombarolo” rings in the ear like an ancient ritornello, like a musicalized refrain that carries within it, and in this way protects, a popular wisdom that belongs to everyone and no one. The word’s multiplicity reflects the many roles of tombaroli, from thieves to collectors, from lovers of archaeology to criminal looters, from folk heroes to unscrupulous looters, from misfits to magicians and tricksters.

CHARLES ROSS with Michael Straus

Charles Ross is a pioneering member of a group of artists generally based in the West who explore light-driven relationships between objects and our perception, sometimes working in such varied media as acrylic and epoxy, sometimes utilizing utilitarian materials such as neon or fluorescent lights, and sometimes relying on the very movements of the Earth and the stars.  But he also engages in a particularly unique way with the land itself, literally, as he says, “entering the Earth in order to reach the stars.”

Rae Armantrout’s latest book, Go Figure, appeared from Wesleyan University Press in 2024. Retired from UC San Diego, she now lives in Everett, WA.

On the occasion of his first solo exhibit, Rascals and Saints, at Ruttkowski;68 in Paris, I paid Matt a lengthy visit to his Upper West Side studio in late July to see what he was making, then Matt came to Rail headquarters in mid-August to have this lengthy conversation about his life and work as an artist of all colors.

ALEXANDRE LENOIR with Charles M. Schultz

Alexandre Lenoir (b.1992) is a French painter with studios in Paris and Brooklyn. Over several years he’s developed a particular system for making paintings that is based on sets of instructions, or “protocols,” as Lenoir has come to call them. Every painting has a unique set of protocols, which are carried out by assistants. And the protocols make room for interpretation, even improvisation. The question is whether works of art can occur as a result of people living and working within Lenoir’s system. His paintings are the answer.

The location of the Diriyah Contemporary Art Biennale in the JAX District in Diriyah. Courtesy the Diriyah Biennale Foundation.
I had the opportunity to speak to Ute Meta Bauer, the Artistic Director of the 2024 edition of the Diriyah Contemporary Art Biennale, about leading the Biennale’s second edition and Saudi Arabia’s cultural transformation.
Installation view: Georges Adéagbo, “Aby Warburg’s work of art and the artists’ work of art”…!, Hamburger Kunsthalle, Hamburg, Germany, 2024. Photo: Christoph Irrgang, Hamburg.

Beninese artist Georges Adéagbo’s new installation at the Hamburger Kunsthalle presents a wildly kaleidoscopic vision of the search for understanding—of history, culture, and self. Inspired by maverick German art historian Aby Warburg’s investigations of how tragedies and triumphs resonate in art and popular culture from antiquity to the modern era, it considers a multitude of complex, still-unfolding stories.

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