User talk:Fry1989

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Re: Hello

Hello. Of course I can give it a try, however it will take some time before I will be ready. I have to finish another request first, and it is rather big one. Cheers! Avalokitesvara (talk) 09:47, 25 January 2012 (UTC)

Brunei Arms

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Panji-panji_Brunei.gif why are you filing for deletion of the Brunei coat of Arm when in the description of the image clearly states it's of official source while your suggestion is of crudely user rendered image?

Because your file is in an inferior format, and as accurate as it may be compared to the other version, it is poorly rendered as well. We can and should correct the SVG to be more accurate, but replacing it with a GIF is not appropriate. Fry1989 ^eh? 07:38, 11 March 2012 (UTC)

Brunei Coat of arm and Flag

As mentioned by you that you'll be updating the new coat of Arm and flag for Brunei. Do refer to the links I have given in the ones that you have nominated for deletion. As they are officially endorsed releases. But at the mean time, keep the real ones on rather than the current inaccurate SVG ones. As the coat of arm represents the royal relic deemed as national treasure in the country used for coronation and the symbol of monarch. I know how the real flag and coat of arm looks like because it's my country. God speed Hanyean (talk) 07:52, 11 March 2012 (UTC)

This isn't an attack on your country's symbols in any way, and I too want things to be as accurate as possible. The files you uploaded are simply in a poorer digital format then the SVGs. I promise you, we can fix the SVGs to be better. I know they're not the best, and they may never be perfect, but we can make them pretty close. Fry1989 ^eh? 07:55, 11 March 2012 (UTC)

No problem, just stating my side of the view. Will revert the image back to the SVG links later for the troubles I made. sorry for the lack of proper knowledge with SVG. on the side line, how do I revert nomination for deletion in anyway? Hanyean (talk) 08:05, 11 March 2012 (UTC)

You can't revert your deletion nomination, you will have to wait for an administrator to close it. Don't worry about appologizing, you seek the same thing I do, to try and show our national symbols as accurately as we can. Fry1989 ^eh? 08:09, 11 March 2012 (UTC)

User_talk:Дмитрий-5-Аверин#File:Flag-map_of_Greater_Germany.svg

I'm not sure that either one of us has much right to reproach him for uploading images that may never be used in a Wikipedia article; the real problem is that he uploads a lot of ultra-nationalist stuff, in some cases ultra-nationalist stuff that he apparently personally makes up himself. I tried to give him a gentle hint at Commons:Deletion requests/File:Flag-map of the Soviet Union (de facto, 1961-1989).svg, but I'm not sure it did any good... AnonMoos (talk) 22:39, 3 April 2012 (UTC)

• Sorry for the delay in consideration :) Now I'm understood. D5A (talk) 16:12, 5 April 2012 (UTC)

Dmitriy-5-Averin: I don't want to be too constantly criticizing, but virulent Greater Germany irredentists would almost certainly not use the Black-Red-Gold flag, which makes it dubious what that image represents, other than seeming to accuse Germans of having secret plans to destroy Poland or something. It's not obvious how an image which raises many sensitive issues but does not have a very clear meaning can be useful... AnonMoos (talk) 23:42, 6 April 2012 (UTC)

I don't have a problem with a "Greater Germany" map, when you look at it in the context of including all the other irredentist maps in that category. My problem is all these maps that will never be used, and in many cases are obscure. When I joined the flag map project, I created ones that will be used, that includes countries with their current national flag, first-level subdivisions like provinces and states, and a few historical flag maps like the Soviet Union, where neccesary. But then there are ones like File:Flag-map of Byelorussian SSR (1919-1937).svg, or File:Flag-map of Albania (Naval Ensign).svg. Who is ever going to use that? Why do we need it? It's getting completely out of hand. Fry1989 ^eh? 00:15, 7 April 2012 (UTC)

1. As for the flag-maps (naval ensign) agree, they should be removed. Such as a Flag-map of Byelorussian SSR (1919-1937). Svg, and others do not agree, they can be used.

2. Yes, I agree, you do Fry Flag-map of modern countries, but the problem is that you do not want other parties to upload new versions of your work.

P. S. AnonMoos, correct to write not Dmitriy-5-Averin, correct to write Dmitry-5-Averin.

D5A (talk) 07:47, 8 April 2012 (UTC)

That's not true. I just don't want people to upload new versions that change it to incorrect colours, or blow up the file size, or that fiddle with exact borders, which aren't neccesary. Fry1989 ^eh? 19:35, 8 April 2012 (UTC)

File:Seal of Chula Vista, California.svg

File:Seal of Chula Vista, California.svg has been listed at Commons:Deletion requests so that the community can discuss whether it should be kept or not. We would appreciate it if you could go to voice your opinion about this at its entry. If you created this file, please note that the fact that it has been proposed for deletion does not necessarily mean that we do not value your kind contribution. It simply means that one person believes that there is some specific problem with it, such as a copyright issue. Please see Commons:But it's my own work! for a guide on how to address these issues. Please remember to respond to and – if appropriate – contradict the arguments supporting deletion. Arguments which focus on the nominator will not affect the result of the nomination. Thank you!

User:Zscout370 ^{(Return fire)} 00:50, 13 April 2012 (UTC)

Banner of the King of Scots

The royal banner is to be at a 5:4 ratio, so I created Banner of the King of Scots.png with those proportions. The file Lionrampant.svg which was used previously has the incorrect proportions and needs to be either updated or replaced. I am not sure how to create an SVG file and my attempt to convert the PNG I made failed. For sake of accuracy, could you please update Lionrampant.svg if you know how, use my file with the correct ratio until someone does update that SVG or convert my file to an SVG for use? Bellae artes (talk) 01:30, 13 April 2012 (UTC)

You can request the SVG be updated in the Graphic Lab Fry1989 ^eh? 04:52, 13 April 2012 (UTC)

Monogram of Princess Diana

I see that you changed the crown on the monogram of Princess Diana, citing a talk page request. When I created these monograms, I tried to use a Sodacan crown (without the cap and arches) that closely mimicked those on the original monograms on [Diana's stationery,] and the monograms of [William and Harry], as well as others, often using the basic framework of only one specific Sodacan crown, whether in actuality or in reference. It was my wish to not just copy the original source completely, and to also give credit to Sodacan for his contributions to the Wiki projects. As you have no doubt seen from my talk page, I have people up in arms that I am using the wrong crowns.

I'm in the process of going through all of my monograms, cleaning them up and making corrections where appropriate, and I'm currently on those of the United Kingdom. Within the next several days, I hope to have at least the monograms of the current members of the British royal family cleaned up, and citing the appropriate crowns--or possibly none at all. In the mean time, let's hold off on making any other changes. The current crown on Diana's monogram contains an arch, which does not conform to monograms in use by any of the current British princes or princesses that I know of. Camilla's will be corrected as well. Thanks, --Glasshouse (talk) 01:26, 18 April 2012 (UTC)

The request is on my Wiki-EN talkpage. I haven't done Harry or William's, but if you wanna take over, that's ok with me. I'm actually curious about Diana's, because while she was married to Charles, her coat of arms had the Prince Of Wales coronet, but when they divorced, her coat of arms changed to have a different royal crown. It would make sense to me that Diana's monogram changed along with it. Fry1989 ^eh? 01:39, 18 April 2012 (UTC)

If you Google "Princess Diana Letters" you'll see that the monogram on her personal stationery, even on letters before her divorce, only has the coronet without arches. The dual monogram with Prince Charles, contains the crown and arch of the heir to the throne.--Glasshouse (talk) 23:22, 18 April 2012 (UTC)

Nederlands verkeersbord F8.svg

Please don't change the Netherlands road sign F8. Your version of this sign doesn't look like the real sign and has wrong colours. --Bouwe Brouwer (talk) 17:56, 21 April 2012 (UTC)

I didn't change any colours and I already told you the border is for visibility. Fry1989 ^eh? 19:53, 21 April 2012 (UTC)

Problematic heraldic standard Part 2

Hi!

I do not see any response or relevant source:

Problematic prime-minister's standard (Archive I)

This non-existent "heraldic standard" must be deleted.

Greetings, Bulgarian Herald (talk) 20:44, 22 April 2012 (UTC)

I would not say erase, but make it to where it says the status is disputed. The flag exists, at least, as a variant to the national flag if you see at http://novinar.bg/data/2011-09-21/20090728_0029.jpg and the source for that flag is a 2000 French Navy book. Could there be some kind of law about Bulgarian Maritime flags we could see or perhaps at least know about? User:Zscout370 ^{(Return fire)} 23:57, 22 April 2012 (UTC)

Excuse me, but I can't agree. First, this picture is not a relevant source, and second, it does not represent an official heraldic standard of Bulgarian institutions. The Law on the State Seal and National Flag of the Republic of Bulgaria explicitly states the following:

Art. 17. The national flag of the Republic of Bulgaria shall be placed in the front part to the right of the transport vehicles and on the front mast of the navigation vessels when present there are the president of the Republic, the vice-president, the chairman of the National Assembly or the prime minister.

I continue to hope that you will comply with the Bulgarian legislation. Bulgarian Herald (talk) 00:44, 23 April 2012 (UTC)

IDK about the prime minister's flag, but I have actually seen a picture (long ago) of the presidential flag. As for the PM's flag, there is no solid proof it exists, and in the case of both the PM and President's flags, there is no solid proof they do not exist. Fry1989 ^eh? 01:26, 23 April 2012 (UTC)

Let's start with the original cause of the problem. You have created an image of an official flag, not having any relevant official sources for it. You're the one who must prove the existence of this flag, but not me. I have cited the law that determines these issues in Bulgaria and it explicitly states what flag should be placed on the buildings and vehicles of the Bulgarian President and Prime Minister - the national flag. According to the text of this law there are no specific heraldic standards of the President and Prime Minister, such flags are not mentioned in the law. You could look at the pictures of Bulgarian national flag from the website of the Bulgarian President, shot inside the building of the Presidency:

Press conference hall.

Hall for official ceremonies.

Foyer of the presidency.

Hall for official talks.

There are hundreds of similar official images on this site, but there is no specific presidential heraldic standard on them. Bulgarian Herald (talk) 03:02, 23 April 2012 (UTC)

I don't care if you believe me or not. I said I saw one, and I did. I have no purpose to lie. Also, it's not a heraldic standard, it's simply the flag with the coat of arms on it. As I said, the flags are sourced, and there is no solid proof they do not exist, but at the same time, there's no solid proof the PM's flag does exist. Fry1989 ^eh? 03:22, 23 April 2012 (UTC)

Excuse me, but your personal impressions based solely on personal recollections, are no valid source in Wikipedia. Bulgarian Herald (talk) 09:15, 23 April 2012 (UTC)

I agree with Fry here (and there are flags with the coat of arms on it) and I would rather be sure before we get rid of the image. Deletions here affect a lot of projects and while we know the national flag is used on vehicles, but there is what we just don't know for sure. Even if we move the file and say "File name (Album 2000).svg" that is something that is factual (that a publication of the French Government stated this ensign existed, but the validity of that statement is under review). I am thinking a new "Album" should be out in a few years (and I know the guy who is running this) and I can honestly tell the both of you that a lot of research is being done and corrections are being made. User:Zscout370 ^{(Return fire)} 03:29, 23 April 2012 (UTC)

Pardon me, but what is this mysterious 2000 French Navy book? You must provide specific information about date and place of publication, author, content, and possibly link to it, if it is available online. This is the normal and accepted way of citing sources. I cite my sources and give links to them. Moreover, my sources are the most relevant on the issue, they belong to the Bulgarian institutions themselves. It is too weird Bulgarian official sources to be denied on the base of personal memories and unnamed publications made ​​by... the French Navy. Greetings, Bulgarian Herald (talk) 09:15, 23 April 2012 (UTC)

The book in question is http://www.crwflags.com/fotw/flags/bib-pay.html#pay00 and it is not available online, but I can ask people who own this book to see what they have on that flag (for scans I can try and look at and link). I don't have a lot of my flag sources with me right now at university, so I get some time, I can get home and see what I actually got. User:Zscout370 ^{(Return fire)} 14:10, 23 April 2012 (UTC)

Plus, with the SVG files, they can be modified. There are flags with the coat of arms at the top hoist and me and Fry have images for both. So, at most, the files would be renamed and moved (and kept on the Commons). User:Zscout370 ^{(Return fire)} 14:34, 23 April 2012 (UTC)

I suppose that renaming of these files in a way that will show clearly the lack of official sources for their relevance would be a good solution. Their names should not leave any doubt that these are undoubtedly existing official symbols. Greetings, Bulgarian Herald (talk) 14:49, 23 April 2012 (UTC)

The only thing I don't agree with is deleting, everything else I am good with. what I am thinking is putting the name (conjecture) or (disputed) or (uncertain) in the file name since there are pages and sources besides us saying it is the prime minister flag (I seen photos of the presidential flag used) but have not been verified by state law/code. I still think even if there is no prime minister flag, the SVG file could be changed to where the stripes are made even since I have found variant flags that use the coat of arms in the white stripe (similar to PR Bulgaria). User:Zscout370 ^{(Return fire)} 15:52, 23 April 2012 (UTC)

About Italian traffic signs - old - divieto di accesso.svg

Hi. I believe the uploader wants File:Italian traffic signs - old - divieto di accesso.svg to look the way I made it. I may ofcourse be wrong, but if you click on the thumbnail and look at the SVG-image itself and not the rendered PNG [(here)], you will see what I mean. Magasjukur2 (talk) 18:56, 2 May 2012 (UTC)

I don't see any indication he wanted it to look like this. Fry1989 ^eh? 19:05, 2 May 2012 (UTC)

Just a curious question regarding heraldic standards for the French Wikipedia

What exactly is the meaning behind this requirement created by the French Wikipedians that most if not all coat of arms have gradients be applied to them? --Thegunkid (talk) 00:46, 3 May 2012 (UTC)

I would love to know. I personally hate the faux-3D effects. Fry1989 ^eh? 01:10, 3 May 2012 (UTC)

That is the main thing that what spurred my question is how aweful those gradients look. I figured you would know if anyone due to your little FR-1 thingy on your profile, and I didn't want to bother asking Zscout370 about it as I'm already annoying him with a debate between me and another Texan wikipedian over what is the proper way to orientate the star on a vertical Texan flag. --Thegunkid (talk) 02:00, 3 May 2012 (UTC)

Awful they are, but the guys up on FR Wikipedia seem to love them. Fry1989 ^eh? 02:16, 3 May 2012 (UTC)

I am not annoyed when it comes to being asked about the Texas flag stuff; I am just really busy with university finals. But as for the gradients, the French users like them and there are a lot of policies in place now for the prevention of overwriting of files. I don't agree with the gradients too, but that is a discussion that has to take place elsewhere. User:Zscout370 ^{(Return fire)} 21:44, 4 May 2012 (UTC)

Coat of Arms of Turkmenistan

Hello! You undid my version of the Coat of Arms of Turkmenistan. My file was created using CorelDRAW X6. Why is it not a true SVG format? --Roma pi (talk) 05:23, 3 May 2012 (UTC)

The horse is a photo, therefore it is not scalable and not an SVG graphic. Fry1989 ^eh? 05:29, 3 May 2012 (UTC)

SVG allows three types of graphic objects: vector graphics, raster graphics, and text. See: SVG#Using_specific_features_of_SVG. The real coat of arms of Turkmenistan includes the same horse photo, so it's a valuable use. --Roma pi (talk) 09:38, 4 May 2012 (UTC)

As far as I am aware, we try and avoid embedded rasters in our SVG files. I disagree that the use of a photographic horse is valuable enough, but if you think it is, and can get enough people to agree, that I'll leave it alone. Fry1989 ^eh? 20:51, 4 May 2012 (UTC)

Well, I need not get enough people. I have official sources of using the photographiс horse on the real coat of arms (Law of the State Coat of Arms of Turkmenistan - http://www.science.gov.tm/turkmenistan/state/gerb/). Also you can see changing of the coat of arms here - http://www.heraldicum.ru/turkmen/state1.htm --Roma pi (talk) 08:18, 5 May 2012 (UTC)

File:Flag of Saint Lucia.svg

The same problems we had with the Kazakh and Belarusian flags is coming back again with this file. I saved my 325B rendition and it gave me the 3 KB one. I throw my hands up. User:Zscout370 ^{(Return fire)} 22:53, 4 May 2012 (UTC)

I was refering to Raymarcbadz who uploaded the wrong colour. I reverted back to the right one with a file size of 313 b, but then you changed it to 236 b. Not much of a difference, but it wasn't really needed. 23:27, 4 May 2012 (UTC)

I used to use the wrong color before, but I noticed when I reduced the flag size in Wikipedia, there was a lot of problems with the base of the triangle so I was trying to fix that. User:Zscout370 ^{(Return fire)} 04:34, 5 May 2012 (UTC)

Oh, ok then :) Fry1989 ^eh? 04:36, 5 May 2012 (UTC)

Tanzanian Air Force Roundel

Fry you wanna show us the "better source" for Roundel of the Tanzanian Air Force that you found. As far as I can see, you've missed some details, which I added to my uploaded version. Specifically the extended wreath links at the bottom of the torch cone, and the changed rounded, not sharp cone tip. As for the colors I don't see a match based on this Photograph. And as for the Pakistan Roundel, what did you use to "crack" the green color code? Some official Pakistan color gauge? Source? ref? Jetijones (talk) 22:56, 4 May 2012 (UTC)

For the Tanzanian roundel, I used the same photograph, but with less-faded colours. As you can see in the photo, the fin flash and the roundel have both faded significantly (and in the case of the flash, parts have even peeled off), so I based it on the light blue used on the tail of the plane., which is what it probably was intended to be. The green you used wasn't right either. As for the cone of the torch and the leaves, that was an accident that I didn't notice, I must have downloaded the first version instead of yours. I will put back your fixes. As for Pakistan's roundel (and incidentally all their flags and coat of arms too), I've been trying for months to get it right, based upon numerous depictions of the coat of arms on Government Websites, and photographs of the flag, such as 1, 2, 3 and 4, plus the many photos of the roundel at Airliners.net. To get it right has been months of playing around with RGBs. Fry1989 ^eh? 23:13, 4 May 2012 (UTC)