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sex 41.137.21.55 17:25, 18 December 2011 (UTC)
Kept: Not a valid reason for deletion. -mattbuck (Talk) 18:38, 18 December 2011 (UTC)
porno maskulin 41.98.89.99 18:56, 9 March 2012 (UTC)
Speedy kept per my previous closure. -mattbuck (Talk) 19:12, 9 March 2012 (UTC)
OTRS? author? Svajcr (talk) 21:49, 18 December 2011 (UTC)
Deleted: Obvious copyright violation, together with other uploads File:Selena-is-ssssssssssssoooooooo-ugly-selena-gomez-23609626-303-380.jpg and File:Gomez2m1609.jpg. Martin H. (talk) 21:54, 18 December 2011 (UTC)
As the back cover of a released CD, this image should be under copyright, even if the label that issued the CD is defunct. C.Fred (talk) 22:40, 18 December 2011 (UTC)
Deleted: Copyright violation. Martin H. (talk) 22:41, 18 December 2011 (UTC)
If the image appeared on the inside of the album, it is doubtful that the image is free. C.Fred (talk) 22:40, 18 December 2011 (UTC)
Deleted: Copyright violation. Martin H. (talk) 22:41, 18 December 2011 (UTC)
No real evidence that it is free, other than that some anonymous person so-tagged it on Flickr. According to the image's page at the City of Toronto archives, "Copyright for these records was transferred to the City of Toronto Archives when these materials were acquired. Use of any of these records for anything other than research of private study, i.e., publication, exhibit, broadcast, in a film or video, or on a website, requires written permission of the City of Toronto Archives." Steve Smith (talk) 06:44, 18 December 2011 (UTC)
- Also nominating File:Don Getty drinking from Grey Cup.jpg, which was cropped from this image. Steve Smith (talk) 06:58, 18 December 2011 (UTC)
Keep. The Toronto Archives clearly released the image under the given licence at Flickr. 117Avenue (talk) 09:40, 18 December 2011 (UTC)
Keep "Some anonymous person"? It's the City of Toronto Archives's flickr feed. They even link to it on the Archives' own website (here). --Skeezix1000 (talk) 13:59, 19 December 2011 (UTC)
Keep Après avor regardé la page mentionné par Skeezix1000 sur le site des archives de Toronto je suis convaincu du fait que c'est la ville de Toronto elle-même qui a ajouté cette photo sur Flickr sous «Attribution 2.0 Générique (CC BY 2.0)». -- ChristianT (talk) 16:55, 19 December 2011 (UTC)
Kept: Copyright holder released files under CC license per commentary above. Maxim(talk) 22:55, 23 December 2011 (UTC)
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All Marvel characters and the distinctive likeness(es) thereof are Trademarks & Copyright © 1941-2011 Marvel Characters, Inc. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. - Crazy runner (talk) 09:53, 18 December 2011 (UTC)
- Looks like a {{Copyvio}}. --Stefan4 (talk) 02:15, 19 December 2011 (UTC)
Deleted: Copyvio Captain-tucker (talk) 12:01, 25 December 2011 (UTC)
Here is an older and higher resolution copy of this file. AMERICOPHILE 00:03, 18 December 2011 (UTC)
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{{duplicate|Mohammad Ali Shah Qajar.png}}to delete the file. AMERICOPHILE 23:41, 18 December 2011 (UTC)- The file was deleted by User:Billinghurst and then redirected to the older copy. Sorry for wasting your time. AMERICOPHILE 18:18, 19 December 2011 (UTC)
Collage containing deleted image: Commons:Deletion requests/File:Leyla Gencer 2.jpg (Leyla Gencer). Takabeg (talk) 00:06, 18 December 2011 (UTC)
Deleted: Collage containing unfree image Lymantria (talk) 13:30, 25 December 2011 (UTC)
Collage containing deleted image. Takabeg (talk) 00:26, 18 December 2011 (UTC)
Deleted: Collage containing unfree image(s) Lymantria (talk) 13:30, 25 December 2011 (UTC)
Double upload on file. Please delete. Thank you. Lloydbaltazar (talk) 01:54, 18 December 2011 (UTC)
Deleted: If this happens again you can use the {{Duplicate}} tag. Captain-tucker (talk) 12:09, 25 December 2011 (UTC)
Out of scope, i don't see the sense to this. Ras67 (talk) 02:13, 18 December 2011 (UTC)
Delete - Text says (spanish): every monday 8 pm, branch (not sure) for young. Description says: an apparently happy family until a misfortune in family. Title says: The angry family... Seems a poetry transformed into visual art. But the title doesn't represent the image, description is a mistery (meaningless for Commons scope), file is unused... and the pic with text seems an invite ticket. Per Ras67. --Dэя-Бøяg 12:38, 18 December 2011 (UTC)
Deleted: The curly tree design has an NC license here: http://qvectors.net/nature/curly-tree-design-vector/ so copyvio Captain-tucker (talk) 12:12, 25 December 2011 (UTC)
personal Yurieduardo (talk) 02:14, 18 December 2011 (UTC)
- Delete Uploader's request. Personal pic. --Dэя-Бøяg 12:40, 18 December 2011 (UTC)
Deleted: Per uploaders request Captain-tucker (talk) 12:13, 25 December 2011 (UTC)
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- File:HondaGrandPrix Day4 150.JPG
- File:HondaGrandPrix2010 Day1 017.JPG
- File:HondaGrandPrix2009 Day3 47.JPG
- File:KylieMinogue 39.JPG
Copyright violation on Terry's image per [1] proving it was done by a Getty photographer. Second, there is no Volvo racing in NASCAR. Contributor was a vandal (diff) when placing the image on the English Wikipedia. I nominate all of the uploader's images for deletion since they all appear to be a fraud. Too professional and take in too many locations throughout the United States. Royalbroil 02:51, 18 December 2011 (UTC)
Deleted: Copyvio Captain-tucker (talk) 12:18, 25 December 2011 (UTC)
screenshot from a copyrighted game. Jinnai (talk) 04:52, 18 December 2011 (UTC)
Deleted: Copyvio Captain-tucker (talk) 12:19, 25 December 2011 (UTC)
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Unused personal image, out of scope Morning Sunshine (talk) 05:37, 18 December 2011 (UTC)
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- Delete - Per nom and too dark to distinguish anything. Note: it was uploaded tonight, if the author will use it (for user page), i'll change my vote. --Dэя-Бøяg 12:49, 18 December 2011 (UTC)
Deleted: Out of scope, if uploader wished to use on his userpage it can be restored. Captain-tucker (talk) 12:22, 25 December 2011 (UTC)
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Bad quality, low resolution image, likely copyvio Morning Sunshine (talk) 05:46, 18 December 2011 (UTC)
Deleted: Out of scope Captain-tucker (talk) 12:23, 25 December 2011 (UTC)
Is Platic Operator a legitimate source? There is no online verifiable source given to check the license. Uploader has few images on Commons. Leoboudv (talk) 05:48, 18 December 2011 (UTC)
Deleted: Copyvio, http://www.plasticoperator.com/bio.htm would need OTRS permission for use. Captain-tucker (talk) 12:24, 25 December 2011 (UTC)
No life dates (date of deaht) of artist J. Díaz del Castillo. When did he die? This is needed to verify this image is in the public domain. The painter needs to be dead more than 83 years. ("There is one exception: works that were already in the public domain before July 23, 2003. Generally speaking, that means works created by someone who had died before July 23, 1928" Commons:Licensing#Mexico) Saibo (Δ) 02:42, 18 December 2011 (UTC)
Deleted: http://www.flickr.com/photos/tubicentenario/4331439106/ copyright violation. User:Zscout370 (Return fire) 02:43, 18 December 2011 (UTC)
- undeleted. No speedy reason. it could well be that he died in the next 18 years after painting it --Saibo (Δ) 03:11, 18 December 2011 (UTC)
- Note: We have another version here: File:Combate de la alhóndiga de Granaditas.jpg --Saibo (Δ) 03:12, 18 December 2011 (UTC)
- I still think the first above photo should be deleted since it was just taken from a Flickr page that has the license as "all rights reserved." And from the version I found from the Mexican Government, this top photo is only a segment of the total work. User:Zscout370 (Return fire) 03:20, 18 December 2011 (UTC)
- I think the image should be deleted, as we don't have any information about when the painter died, so we cannot know if it has copyright or not. мιѕѕ мαηzαηα (talk) 03:44, 18 December 2011 (UTC)
Deleted: In doubt we delete it, no flikcr licernse ok Ezarateesteban 23:47, 25 December 2011 (UTC)
There is no determined date of death for J. Díaz del Castillo; until we know that, we are not able to keep the image here. User:Zscout370 (Return fire) 03:47, 18 December 2011 (UTC)
- I think this should be also deleted because of what Zscout explained мιѕѕ мαηzαηα (talk) 03:49, 18 December 2011 (UTC)
Low resolution, no proper EXIF, unlikely to be own work Morning Sunshine (talk) 05:49, 18 December 2011 (UTC)
- Comparing this to the username here, this may well be own work. Lymantria (talk) 13:37, 25 December 2011 (UTC)
Deleted: per nom Ezarateesteban 23:48, 25 December 2011 (UTC)
NPOV, This logo implies a position in the en:Macedonia naming dispute. A logo like this should not used as Wikipedia logo. (Currently in bg.wikipedia.org) Arved (talk) 12:35, 18 December 2011 (UTC)
- The logo commemorates reaching of 10 000 written articles related to the geographical and historical region of Macedonia (which is broader term than FYROM). This fact bears special meaning to Bulgarian readers, but doesn't aim to push a point. When it comes to points, however, please, consult Commons:Project scope/Neutral point of view, and especially: "It is not the role of Commons to adjudicate on subject-matter disputes nor to force local projects to use one version of a file in preference to another. Provided that a file falls within Commons scope, and can be legally hosted, we make it available. Whether and under what conditions it is actually used is a matter for the local communities of the individual projects to decide." So, Keep. Given its temporal nature (10K articles come and go), it is not going to stay there for quite long, as we're soon going to change it to the Christmas version of our logo. :) →Spiritia 14:03, 18 December 2011 (UTC)
- Keep. Speaking of the Christmas logo, there are people who oppose all Christian holidays as "politically incorrect". They do have their point, given the fact that there are a lot of other religions in the world. But does it mean that we also "imply a position" when we put that Christmas-themed logo? And what about our "Martenitsas"? I wouldn't be too surprised if there are people who perceive martenitsas, and thus the martenitsa logo, as offensive. Same could easily go for Easter, too. What I'm trying to say here, is that any image could be disputable, offensive, NPOV and so on -- to some people -- and that's exactly what COM:NPOV is saying. We need to respect the decisions of the local communities. But, most importantly, the logo has never been meant to assert any opinion or position, and even less so to offend anyone. There is a project on the Bulgarian Wikipedia, which focuses on the geographical and historical region of Macedonia. The guys (and gals) there have done marvellous work. What logo would better commemorate their achievement? I'm actually open to other suggestions, but I'd really ask to respect the wishes of the local community. — Luchesar • T/C 15:11, 18 December 2011 (UTC)
- Keep This logo doesn't contain iredentist or nationalist ideas, so i don't see reason to be deleted. Also, "Macedonia" is not trademark, has no copyright rights on it and noone pretend to be so, right? --Подпоручикъ (talk) 18:24, 18 December 2011 (UTC)
- Keep. Same as Spiritia - the logo is connected with the geographical region and does not imply any position regarding the naming dispute. The logo is in bg.wikipedia for a short period because of the 10 000 articles about the historical and geographical region.--Алиса Селезньова (talk) 08:11, 19 December 2011 (UTC)
- Someone asked on wikimedia-internal if bg.wikipedia was hacked by macedonian hackers. So i am not the only one finding this logo misleading Arved (talk) 17:34, 20 December 2011 (UTC)
- Now when you know the truth, you can calm them down. Cheers! :) →Spiritia 22:28, 20 December 2011 (UTC)
- Someone asked on wikimedia-internal if bg.wikipedia was hacked by macedonian hackers. So i am not the only one finding this logo misleading Arved (talk) 17:34, 20 December 2011 (UTC)
- Keep It seems to be an invalid claim that the logo implies position in the Macedonia naming dispute. If the use of a logo depicting a geographical territory is something that escalates the tension, then why we don't have proposals to remove all the variants of Wikipedia logo including flags or territories in background filed here? Frankly, the incentive of this proposal could possibly be the thread at wikimedia-internal, where an attack by Macedonian hackers on Bulgarian Wikipedia was mentioned, but was quickly rejected as it marks a success on the Bulgarian Wikipedia concerning the region of Macedonia. The discussion went on to the issues regarding the validity of this logo on a Wikimedia project, but without any further detailed implications. It's clear that the autonomy of any Wikimedia project is probably harder and allows to make modifications of the logo (many modifications have been already made), and the discussion suddenly ended without conclusions. So, if this is a protest for the use of the logo at the Bulgarian Wikipedia, I think the solutions of this issue should be sought elsewhere. And since this is not something involved in the Macedonia naming dispute, please do not use names that offend the parties in the dispute when commenting here.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 13:34, 23 December 2011 (UTC)
NPOV, This logo implies a position in the en:Macedonia naming dispute. A logo like this should not used as Wikipedia logo. Arved (talk) 12:41, 18 December 2011 (UTC)
- The logo commemorates reaching of 10 000 written articles related to the geographical and historical region of Macedonia (which is broader term than FYROM). This fact bears special meaning to Bulgarian readers, but doesn't aim to push a point. When it comes to points, however, please, consult Commons:Project scope/Neutral point of view, and especially: "It is not the role of Commons to adjudicate on subject-matter disputes nor to force local projects to use one version of a file in preference to another. Provided that a file falls within Commons scope, and can be legally hosted, we make it available. Whether and under what conditions it is actually used is a matter for the local communities of the individual projects to decide." So, Keep. →Spiritia 14:04, 18 December 2011 (UTC)
- Keep. Speaking of the Christmas logo, there are people who oppose all Christian holidays as "politically incorrect". They do have their point, given the fact that there are a lot of other religions in the world. But does it mean that we also "imply a position" when we put that Christmas-themed logo? And what about our "Martenitsas"? I wouldn't be too surprised if there are people who perceive martenitsas, and thus the martenitsa logo, as offensive. Same could easily go for Easter, too. What I'm trying to say here, is that any image could be disputable, offensive, NPOV and so on -- to some people -- and that's exactly what COM:NPOV is saying. We need to respect the decisions of the local communities. But, most importantly, the logo has never been meant to assert any opinion or position, and even less so to offend anyone. There is a project on the Bulgarian Wikipedia, which focuses on the geographical and historical region of Macedonia. The guys (and gals) there have done marvellous work. What logo would better commemorate their achievement? I'm actually open to other suggestions, but I'd really ask to respect the wishes of the local community. — Luchesar • T/C 15:13, 18 December 2011 (UTC)
- Keep This logo doesn't contain iredentist or nationalist ideas, so i don't see reason to be deleted. Also, "Macedonia" is not trademark, has no copyright rights on it and noone pretend to be so, right? --Подпоручикъ (talk) 18:24, 18 December 2011 (UTC)
- Keep. Same as Spiritia - the logo is connected with the geographical region and does not imply any position regarding the naming dispute. The logo is in bg.wikipedia for a short period because of the 10 000 articles about the historical and geographical region.--Алиса Селезньова (talk) 08:14, 19 December 2011 (UTC)
- Keep It seems to be an invalid claim that the logo implies position in the Macedonia naming dispute. If the use of a logo depicting a geographical territory is something that escalates the tension, then why we don't have proposals to remove all the variants of Wikipedia logo including flags or territories in background filed here? Frankly, the incentive of this proposal could possibly be the thread at wikimedia-internal, where an attack by Macedonian hackers on Bulgarian Wikipedia was mentioned, but was quickly rejected as it marks a success on the Bulgarian Wikipedia concerning the region of Macedonia. The discussion went on to the issues regarding the validity of this logo on a Wikimedia project, but without any further detailed implications. It's clear that the autonomy of any Wikimedia project is probably harder that allows to make modifications of the logo (many modifications have been already made), and the discussion suddenly ended without conclusions. So, if this is a protest for the use of the logo at the Bulgarian Wikipedia, I think the solutions of this issue should be sought elsewhere. And since this is not something involved in the Macedonia naming dispute, please do not use names that offend the parties in the dispute when commenting here.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 13:35, 23 December 2011 (UTC)
Kept: per consensus Ezarateesteban 23:50, 25 December 2011 (UTC)
NPOV, This logo implies a position in the en:Macedonia naming dispute. A logo like this should not used as Wikipedia logo. Arved (talk) 12:41, 18 December 2011 (UTC)
- The logo commemorates reaching of 10 000 written articles related to the geographical and historical region of Macedonia (which is broader term than FYROM). This fact bears special meaning to Bulgarian readers, but doesn't aim to push a point. When it comes to points, however, please, consult Commons:Project scope/Neutral point of view, and especially: "It is not the role of Commons to adjudicate on subject-matter disputes nor to force local projects to use one version of a file in preference to another. Provided that a file falls within Commons scope, and can be legally hosted, we make it available. Whether and under what conditions it is actually used is a matter for the local communities of the individual projects to decide." So, Keep. →Spiritia 14:04, 18 December 2011 (UTC)
- Keep. Speaking of the Christmas logo, there are people who oppose all Christian holidays as "politically incorrect". They do have their point, given the fact that there are a lot of other religions in the world. But does it mean that we also "imply a position" when we put that Christmas-themed logo? And what about our "Martenitsas"? I wouldn't be too surprised if there are people who perceive martenitsas, and thus the martenitsa logo, as offensive. Same could easily go for Easter, too. What I'm trying to say here, is that any image could be disputable, offensive, NPOV and so on -- to some people -- and that's exactly what COM:NPOV is saying. We need to respect the decisions of the local communities. But, most importantly, the logo has never been meant to assert any opinion or position, and even less so to offend anyone. There is a project on the Bulgarian Wikipedia, which focuses on the geographical and historical region of Macedonia. The guys (and gals) there have done marvellous work. What logo would better commemorate their achievement? I'm actually open to other suggestions, but I'd really ask to respect the wishes of the local community. — Luchesar • T/C 15:12, 18 December 2011 (UTC)
- What would be better? For example changing the Text to something like "statii za istoriko-geografska oblast makedoniq" (Yes, it is too long for a logo :-). Or maybe macedonian colors or something typical macedonian next to the globe. At the moment there is no hint that this logo is about the historical region Macedoniya. I think that for the Wikipedia Logo there should be stronger NPOV-guidelines than for random images on wikimedia commons. Unfortunately i have not found any so far. Arved (talk) 15:32, 18 December 2011 (UTC)
- No need to add any further hints or explanations (neither text, nor colors). The borders as outlined on the logo (compared to the borders of the Republic of Macedonia) are indicative enough that it's the whole region (spanning over three countries) that is being illustrated. Check the Category:Maps of Macedonia for more information. →Spiritia 17:00, 18 December 2011 (UTC)
- Keep This logo doesn't contain iredentist or nationalist ideas, so i don't see reason to be deleted. Also, "Macedonia" is not trademark, has no copyright rights on it and noone pretend to be so, right? --Подпоручикъ (talk) 18:25, 18 December 2011 (UTC)
- No need to add any further hints or explanations (neither text, nor colors). The borders as outlined on the logo (compared to the borders of the Republic of Macedonia) are indicative enough that it's the whole region (spanning over three countries) that is being illustrated. Check the Category:Maps of Macedonia for more information. →Spiritia 17:00, 18 December 2011 (UTC)
- What would be better? For example changing the Text to something like "statii za istoriko-geografska oblast makedoniq" (Yes, it is too long for a logo :-). Or maybe macedonian colors or something typical macedonian next to the globe. At the moment there is no hint that this logo is about the historical region Macedoniya. I think that for the Wikipedia Logo there should be stronger NPOV-guidelines than for random images on wikimedia commons. Unfortunately i have not found any so far. Arved (talk) 15:32, 18 December 2011 (UTC)
- Keep. Same as Spiritia - the logo is connected with the geographical region and does not imply any position regarding the naming dispute. The logo is in bg.wikipedia for a short period because of the 10 000 articles about the historical and geographical region.--Алиса Селезньова (talk) 08:14, 19 December 2011 (UTC)
- Keep It seems to be an invalid claim that the logo implies position in the Macedonia naming dispute. If the use of a logo depicting a geographical territory is something that escalates the tension, then why we don't have proposals to remove all the variants of Wikipedia logo including flags or territories in background filed here? Frankly, the incentive of this proposal could possibly be the thread at wikimedia-internal, where an attack by Macedonian hackers on Bulgarian Wikipedia was mentioned, but was quickly rejected as it marks a success on the Bulgarian Wikipedia concerning the region of Macedonia. The discussion went on to the issues regarding the validity of this logo on a Wikimedia project, but without any further detailed implications. It's clear that the autonomy of any Wikimedia project is probably harder that allows to make modifications of the logo (many modifications have been already made), and the discussion suddenly ended without conclusions. So, if this is a protest for the use of the logo at the Bulgarian Wikipedia, I think the solutions of this issue should be sought elsewhere. And since this is not something involved in the Macedonia naming dispute, please do not use names that offend the parties in the dispute when commenting here.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 13:36, 23 December 2011 (UTC)
I have no idea what the guy is saying, but I do know it isn't morse code. Fred the Oyster (talk) 13:23, 18 December 2011 (UTC)
- Delete Motopark (talk) 13:36, 18 December 2011 (UTC)
Per Commons:Money#Malaysia. Stefan4 (talk) 13:44, 18 December 2011 (UTC)
DW of non-free content (Chogha Zanbil brochure) AMERICOPHILE 14:29, 18 December 2011 (UTC)
Deleted: per nom Ezarateesteban 23:54, 25 December 2011 (UTC)
Unused personal image, out of scope Morning Sunshine (talk) 15:23, 18 December 2011 (UTC)
- Delete Motopark (talk) 16:28, 18 December 2011 (UTC)
This is a wretched version of an image which was previously deleted from here: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Deletion_requests/Images_by_syriana2011 FunkMonk (talk) 15:46, 18 December 2011 (UTC)
Deleted: Deleted by Herbythyme Captain-tucker (talk) 18:00, 25 December 2011 (UTC)
see http://www.flickr.com/photos/tremeglan/322236700/ of 2006 or http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=9210237&postcount=16 of 2006. All versions are the same, this means that both version share one source. Given the lots of copyright problems of the Commons uploader I strongly doubt that he is the copyright holder or that the shared source of this upload and older flickr version is a publication by the Commons upload Oliquez85 (talk · contribs). Martin H. (talk) 15:55, 18 December 2011 (UTC)
Extracted from a photo posted at http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=4573108&postcount=1 in 2005. Originally uploaded to Wikipedia in October 2006 by en:User:Oliquez85 / User:Oliquez85, there are many problems with this users uploads. Martin H. (talk) 16:03, 18 December 2011 (UTC)
Uploaded to en.wp by en:User:Oliquez85 in Octiber 2006, posted at http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=9932465&postcount=1 in September 2006 already. Not the en.wp uploaders own work. Many problems with uploads by en:User:Oliquez85 / User:Oliquez85 Martin H. (talk) 16:07, 18 December 2011 (UTC)
and other uploads by Jonmadof1 (talk · contribs). No evidence of permission. EugeneZelenko (talk) 16:40, 18 December 2011 (UTC)
Deleted: Copyvio Captain-tucker (talk) 17:51, 25 December 2011 (UTC)
Image is out of the commons scope. Alpha_Quadrant (talk) 18:00, 18 December 2011 (UTC)
Deleted: Out of scope Captain-tucker (talk) 17:46, 25 December 2011 (UTC)
Unused, low quality image. Out of the commons scope. Alpha_Quadrant (talk) 18:05, 18 December 2011 (UTC)
Kept: In scope Captain-tucker (talk) 17:47, 25 December 2011 (UTC)
Unidentified logo/person, out of scope Funfood ␌ 18:20, 18 December 2011 (UTC)
Deleted: Out of scope/Copyvio Captain-tucker (talk) 17:42, 25 December 2011 (UTC)
derivative work of a photograph of a politician, copyright not clear Funfood ␌ 19:20, 18 December 2011 (UTC)
Deleted: derivative work Captain-tucker (talk) 17:39, 25 December 2011 (UTC)
photo of modern sculpture, no freedom of panorama in italy Calliopejen1 (talk) 19:37, 18 December 2011 (UTC)
- This statue is on private property and is privately owned. I have been given permission from the owners to take photographs and to upload to Wikimedia Commons with a Creative Commons license. Marek.69 talk 02:27, 19 December 2011 (UTC)
- The artist is Professor Czesław Dźwigaj from Kraków, Poland. I have sent him an email requesting his consent to publish an image of the statue on Wikipedia. -- Marek.69 talk 20:47, 21 December 2011 (UTC)
- Delete First the statue owner may or may not be the copyright holder. I can buy a statue, but the copyright stays with the artist, unless my purchase agreement say so explicitly. Second, even if the owner is the copyright holder and has given Marek permission he needs to follow the Commons:OTRS process to supply the proper permission from the copyright holder.--ARTEST4ECHO talk 13:26, 19 December 2011 (UTC)
Deleted: If permission is granted via OTRS image can be restored. Captain-tucker (talk) 17:37, 25 December 2011 (UTC)
Promotional image of some sort. Likely copyrighted. No reason given to suggest that uploader is copyright holder FASTILY (TALK) 19:55, 18 December 2011 (UTC)
Deleted: Copyvio Captain-tucker (talk) 17:30, 25 December 2011 (UTC)
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Photo by Glenn James/NBAE via Getty Images. Flickr uploader Dannyb is uploading unfree content. Martin H. (talk) 20:56, 18 December 2011 (UTC)
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Private image, unused. GeorgHH • talk 21:31, 18 December 2011 (UTC)
Deleted: Out of scope Captain-tucker (talk) 17:20, 25 December 2011 (UTC)
Useless image. Better version already exists. — putnik? 21:40, 18 December 2011 (UTC)
- Spooky! delete both (No FOP in Russia). NVO (talk) 06:40, 19 December 2011 (UTC)
- Delete It's sad, but there's no FOP in Russia. Otherwise i would vote keep. VolodyA! V Anarhist (converse) 02:15, 20 December 2011 (UTC)
Deleted: per nom. FoP doesn't apply here, it is a simple building, nothing copyrightable there Ezarateesteban 00:02, 26 December 2011 (UTC)
Is this a notable band? GeorgHH • talk 21:41, 18 December 2011 (UTC)
Deleted: Our of scope Captain-tucker (talk) 17:10, 25 December 2011 (UTC)
personal logo, out of scope Funfood ␌ 22:01, 18 December 2011 (UTC)
Deleted: Out of scope Captain-tucker (talk) 17:14, 25 December 2011 (UTC)
too small for educational use Funfood ␌ 23:01, 18 December 2011 (UTC)
too small for educational use Funfood ␌ 23:02, 18 December 2011 (UTC)
Non-free use image transferred to en:File:FABULOUS FLO - in Fantastic Four's "What if...?" number 11 FU.jpg. This Commons file can now be deleted. Robert.Allen (talk) 23:07, 18 December 2011 (UTC)
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Deleted. Captain-tucker (talk) 16:50, 25 December 2011 (UTC)
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text in a png file, out of scope Funfood ␌ 23:12, 18 December 2011 (UTC)
Deleted: Out of scope Captain-tucker (talk) 16:49, 25 December 2011 (UTC)
out of scope, small image, pdf-file AtelierMonpli (talk) 23:31, 18 December 2011 (UTC)
Deleted: Out of scope Captain-tucker (talk) 16:48, 25 December 2011 (UTC)
the person in this pic want this Tuxdiary (talk) 15:52, 7 December 2011 (UTC)
- Keep The person in this pic is not identifiable (apart from by the user name). The person in this pic has released this photo under CC licence and it is non-revokable. VolodyA! V Anarhist (converse) 04:51, 10 December 2011 (UTC)
- Keep What he actually wants is a splint, but that's by-the-by. It's educational and clear, everything commons wants, and what commons wants, commons gets. On the bright side no-one is going to recognise him, at least not outside of a bendy penis clinic. --Fred the Oyster (talk) 21:39, 14 December 2011 (UTC)
- Delete Tuxdiary, who is possibly the subject of the photo, has decided he no longer wants his photo on the project. Why are you deciding that he's not allowed to ask that it be taken down?—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 05:34, 19 December 2011 (UTC)
- He's most certainly allowed to ask, no-one has said that he can't ask. Mind you, no-one has explained to him what irrevocable means either. --Fred the Oyster (talk) 09:44, 19 December 2011 (UTC)
- Good point, i've checked FAQ and to my horror it's not there. So i was bold and created an entry Commons:FAQ#I_have_uploaded_an_image.2C_can_I_revoke_the_licence_later.3F VolodyA! V Anarhist (converse) 13:21, 19 December 2011 (UTC)
- It wasn't there because what you are saying is not true and you violated quite a bit of our rules in acting like that. Ottava Rima (talk) 02:25, 21 December 2011 (UTC)
- So what is it we misunderstood by the "This donation is non-revocable." that appears on the upload form? --Fred the Oyster (talk) 09:37, 21 December 2011 (UTC)
- It wasn't there because what you are saying is not true and you violated quite a bit of our rules in acting like that. Ottava Rima (talk) 02:25, 21 December 2011 (UTC)
- Good point, i've checked FAQ and to my horror it's not there. So i was bold and created an entry Commons:FAQ#I_have_uploaded_an_image.2C_can_I_revoke_the_licence_later.3F VolodyA! V Anarhist (converse) 13:21, 19 December 2011 (UTC)
- He's most certainly allowed to ask, no-one has said that he can't ask. Mind you, no-one has explained to him what irrevocable means either. --Fred the Oyster (talk) 09:44, 19 December 2011 (UTC)
- I don't think you understand how things work or what "deletion" means. Otherwise, we wouldn't delete anything. Merely releasing something does not mean we have to host it or that something cannot be removed from existence. Licensing is not a suicide pact and the idea that the WMF projects all have respected self nom deletions show a legal precedence that we respect such requests and therefore makes the "irrevocably agree" non-applicable. Ottava Rima (talk) 10:56, 21 December 2011 (UTC)
- Ever donated anything before? Yes? What do you think would most likely happen if you asked for that donation back two months later? And don't forget that when an image is released under a free copyright then anyone can pretty much do as they like with the image... including maintaining a publicly accessible version of it on Commons. --Fred the Oyster (talk) 11:12, 21 December 2011 (UTC)
- "What do you think would most likely happen if you asked for that donation back two months later?" In the US, you have a legal right to get your donation back if you can demonstrate any kind of fraud or that the charity did not use the funds as was intended. Furthermore, we already donate plenty of pages and posts that were "donated" via clicking. Your comments are silly when looking at the reality of what goes on here. Ottava Rima (talk) 15:47, 21 December 2011 (UTC)
- Silly? Yeah right. Most people wouldn't think of asking for a donation back, likewise this guy gives away a picture of his dick, then a month later changes his mind? Tough, he should have thought of that before uploading it, likewise anyone else who does the same. In any case I would be quite within my rights to re-upload it after editing it in some way, attributing the original image to him, but me re-licensing it under my name and there's bugger all the guy could do. --Fred the Oyster (talk) 16:46, 21 December 2011 (UTC)
- "Tough, he should have thought of that before uploading it" - that isn't how the WMF operates. We allow people to delete content. It seems like your personal opinion and not policy are why you are suggesting the above, which is not how DR works. Ottava Rima (talk) 17:53, 21 December 2011 (UTC)
- Total rubbish, the WMF doesn't operate on the principle that people can upload files then delete them later purely because the want to. The images are a donation, along with a statement that basically says anybody can now do as they like with them. This means that for all intents and purposes that image is no longer theirs, and as it is no longer theirs they no longer have the right to expect its deletion on a whim. --Fred the Oyster (talk) 19:14, 21 December 2011 (UTC)
- Sounds to me like this is something you are lobbying to achieve, not something that is already a de facto standard, which of course it isn't. --Fred the Oyster (talk) 21:31, 22 December 2011 (UTC)
- Hate to disappoint, but I already put up cases verifying my statement. You however, have only put up a proposed policy and didn't recognize what our actual policies and standards are. Competence is required. Ottava Rima (talk) 23:02, 22 December 2011 (UTC)
- Nope, sorry wrong again. You haven't backed up any of your statements/demands with policy, in fact you even demonstrated yourself in the wrong when you said there is nothing specific in the speedy policy. The simple matter is that your demand for a speedy is based on nothing more than your wish that it were true. Oh, and going back to your "you people arriving" faux pas, I've been here longer than you sunshine. As for my competency, well I'm not the one demanding something that isn't backed up by policy then pleading that the lack of policy is why it should be handled this way. Duh! Ottava, your usual mental meanderings aren't getting any better with age you know. --Fred the Oyster (talk) 23:09, 22 December 2011 (UTC)
- Hate to disappoint, but I already put up cases verifying my statement. You however, have only put up a proposed policy and didn't recognize what our actual policies and standards are. Competence is required. Ottava Rima (talk) 23:02, 22 December 2011 (UTC)
- Sounds to me like this is something you are lobbying to achieve, not something that is already a de facto standard, which of course it isn't. --Fred the Oyster (talk) 21:31, 22 December 2011 (UTC)
- Total rubbish, the WMF doesn't operate on the principle that people can upload files then delete them later purely because the want to. The images are a donation, along with a statement that basically says anybody can now do as they like with them. This means that for all intents and purposes that image is no longer theirs, and as it is no longer theirs they no longer have the right to expect its deletion on a whim. --Fred the Oyster (talk) 19:14, 21 December 2011 (UTC)
- "Tough, he should have thought of that before uploading it" - that isn't how the WMF operates. We allow people to delete content. It seems like your personal opinion and not policy are why you are suggesting the above, which is not how DR works. Ottava Rima (talk) 17:53, 21 December 2011 (UTC)
- Silly? Yeah right. Most people wouldn't think of asking for a donation back, likewise this guy gives away a picture of his dick, then a month later changes his mind? Tough, he should have thought of that before uploading it, likewise anyone else who does the same. In any case I would be quite within my rights to re-upload it after editing it in some way, attributing the original image to him, but me re-licensing it under my name and there's bugger all the guy could do. --Fred the Oyster (talk) 16:46, 21 December 2011 (UTC)
- "What do you think would most likely happen if you asked for that donation back two months later?" In the US, you have a legal right to get your donation back if you can demonstrate any kind of fraud or that the charity did not use the funds as was intended. Furthermore, we already donate plenty of pages and posts that were "donated" via clicking. Your comments are silly when looking at the reality of what goes on here. Ottava Rima (talk) 15:47, 21 December 2011 (UTC)
- Ever donated anything before? Yes? What do you think would most likely happen if you asked for that donation back two months later? And don't forget that when an image is released under a free copyright then anyone can pretty much do as they like with the image... including maintaining a publicly accessible version of it on Commons. --Fred the Oyster (talk) 11:12, 21 December 2011 (UTC)
- I don't think you understand how things work or what "deletion" means. Otherwise, we wouldn't delete anything. Merely releasing something does not mean we have to host it or that something cannot be removed from existence. Licensing is not a suicide pact and the idea that the WMF projects all have respected self nom deletions show a legal precedence that we respect such requests and therefore makes the "irrevocably agree" non-applicable. Ottava Rima (talk) 10:56, 21 December 2011 (UTC)
- Outdent - "You haven't backed up any of your statements/demands with policy" You are quite mistaken in your view of what policy means. Policies are a limitation on activity. They are not an allowance on activity. If there is not a policy limiting it, then there is no stop to the matter. Admin have in the past speedy deleted these images. That goes against everything you have claimed. You continue to go on and on, but you have nothing. That is why you are in the minority here and your opinion wont matter. And you can claim to have been here longer than me, but on the above name and with a couple of the socks I know of yours, I have been around far longer. Furthermore, you already proved that you couldn't differentiate between proposed policy and policy, so you have failed to establish any reason for even reading what you have to say. Ottava Rima (talk) 23:47, 22 December 2011 (UTC)
- Firstly, not counting IP accesses my first account was WebHamster (talk · contribs) which started in 2007, whereas yours started in 2008. Now that's cleared up, onto policy. Policies are not a "limitation", they are a written down list of what is and what isn't acceptable. There is nothing written down anywhere that says an uploader request is a valid reason for a speedy. Therefore, in a similar way to the way copyright works, ie it doesn't have to be stated, it's automatic, anything which is stated to be a reason is a reason, anything else is accepted not to be a reason ergo you still cannot back up your demand with anything written down. However what is written down is that the uploader's declared license is irrevocable. This means that he cannot control, or insist, that anyone do anything with it that he doesn't like, e.g. delete it. Commons is quite legally entitle to keep the image on its server and host it to whomever wants it. As I said before, I could edit the file, eg crop it, alter the histogram etc and re-upload it thereby making this discussion moot. As the license states, I am (or anyone else is, including Commons) free "to copy, distribute and transmit the work". The uploader gave away his right to insist that the file no longer be distributed by Commons, which is in essence what is being asked. Now all that is written down, both in policy and in licensing. So barring the image being a copyvio or some other legal violation, which speedys were designed for, then a user request should go to a consensus decision such as this DR, not to the decision making skills of one admin. --Fred the Oyster (talk) 00:16, 23 December 2011 (UTC)
- "whereas yours started in 2008" Actually, this account started in 2007 but it was not my first Commons account but merely my first SUL account. And if you think policies are what is and isn't acceptable then you are sorely mistaken. Otherwise, there would be a policy that gives you the right to edit. You've obviously never been at Meta and helped create new projects. But we've already pointed out that you couldn't distinguish between policy and proposed policy, and your refusal to accept that disqualifies all other statements you could make. You have to overcome this major error before you can proceed. You are like someone trying to drive on four flat tires. Push down on the gas all you want - you aren't going anywhere. Ottava Rima (talk) 01:08, 23 December 2011 (UTC)
- You do like to make things up to support your position dontchya? The WebHamster account started on 12-Sep-2007, not 2008. "We've"? You tried make to make out that I couldn't distinguish the difference. When there's a dirty great banner at the top of the page it's rather difficult to not notice the fact. The fact that codicil was written into the proposed policy shows that I am not on my own in this. Likewise the fact that the proposed policy adjustment is directly linked to from the official policy page also shows that someone 'upstairs' is unofficially supporting it. As for tyres, well at least I know how to spell them correctly. As for Meta, why would I want to go there? It's full of bullshit and lies and people like you. I have enough problems holding my nose when I take part in DRs like this. I don't do politics, primarily because it's full of people who think they can do politics and want to get something out of it, usually power of some sort. --Fred the Oyster (talk) 01:35, 23 December 2011 (UTC)
- I assume your inability to recognize your own quote about 2008 as from you and not me is the same as you being unable to recognize "proposed policy" as being different from "policy". It may also be related to you thinking that using two accounts at the same time is acceptable. You have a strange way of going against our policies and traditions. You don't have any ground for making any claims here and you have already lost. Ottava Rima (talk) 02:26, 23 December 2011 (UTC)
- As I said, you make things up to support your position. Your current account started 29-Aug-2008, not "2007". I don't use 2 accounts at the same time. The WH account hasn't been used since Jan 2011, whereas FtO has been active quite a lot since then. In any case 1) having two accounts is not against the rules when they aren't being used abusively 2) what does it have to do with a picture of a bendy cock? So I see even more BS from OR, who seems to have unilaterally declared this to be a competition. "Our" policies and traditions? Since when did they belong to 'us'? See there you go with the tradition thing again, but why can't you realise that it was you who has gone all traditional? You do seem to confuse things between Commons and en.wiki. Now you can bluster and lie as much as you like, but the fact remains that your demands are not supported by policy, it's as simple as that. So can we get back to the DR instead of all this bullshit that has no reason in being here. Unless you'd like to type out some more falsehoods that can be shown to be what they are. Oh, whilst I remember, you mentioned earlier about the reason why there's no policy that supports my right to type here. Well I think you'll find that is covered by the Wikimedia mission statement. On another note, regarding my two accounts. To add hypocrisy to your seemingly ever-growing list of, errr, 'problems', you've also stated that you have more than one account here. Care to mention which one it is? After all I've been quite open about the names of my accounts. I invite you to do the same. --Fred the Oyster (talk) 02:58, 23 December 2011 (UTC)
- "Your current account started 29-Aug-2008" No. My account started 30 September 2007 and many of my images were transferred over here. "I don't use 2 accounts at the same time." Already proven wrong - you had a solid few months of overlap and that automatically disqualifies you from making claims about acceptable actions. As for me, I had one previous account in undergrad, which lasted until 2005. There was a solid 2 years between that account and Ottava Rima and it was a well known situation of me not remembering my password nor having access to the email address because it was connected to the undergrad (and different from the alumni one). You are just digging your hole deeper now. The killer was claiming that the mission statement was some how policy. Ottava Rima (talk) 03:06, 23 December 2011 (UTC)
- Thank you for providing the link that shows how mistaken you are and how correct I can be. Go back to your SUL Info page, scroll down to the commonswiki entry under "Local wikis" and you will see "commonswiki.......29 August 2008.......1357.........autopatrolled". As you should know, your SUL is only activated per wiki when you first login to a particular wiki, not at the date of when you went over to SUL. And now whose competency is in doubt when a so-called educated man cannot either remember a password and/or write it down somewhere in something like, errr, I don't know, how about a password database app, or even a spreadsheet? In any case, I didn't ask you why you chose to no longer use it, I asked you its name. I apologise for asking questions that obviously confuse you, but enquiring minds wish to know these things. The Mission statement is a policy from which all the others commenced. It doesn't have to have "policy" emblazoned at the top of the page to be a policy you know. This is getting mentally tiring for an old fart like me to keep having to teach your things. Maybe if you tone down the BS it'll take a load off me? If I'm digging, it can only be your grave sunshine, and I suspect that can never be deep enough. So what are the chances of getting back on topic now? --Fred the Oyster (talk) 03:33, 23 December 2011 (UTC)
- I find it interesting how you think my account began on Commons, especially when the SUL page shows that it began on en.wiki. And you do know that you haven't been on topic in a long time. It makes sense - you botched the claim about policy, evidence was shown that practice accepts such deletions as speedies, and now you are filling the page with off topic stuff. Well, I guess that is how you decide to get your way with things. It doesn't really work like that. Ottava Rima (talk) 03:38, 23 December 2011 (UTC)
- I didn't say your SUL account began on Commons. The date I gave was the first time you logged into Commons after you created your SUL, ie the date your activity as OR started on Commons. You do get confused easily dontchya? We are both filling the page with off topic stuff which is why I suggested a mutual cessation, but I see that won't happen. BTW please don't think I'm dumb enough to think that I can change your mind, you aren't the one my words are aimed at. Anyway, you may now have whatever last words you feel are necessary. I'm finished with toying with you, the amusement has now waned and I'm bored. Perhaps someone should put all this sub-thread bollocks into a collapsible box? --Fred the Oyster (talk) 10:31, 23 December 2011 (UTC)
- As I pointed out, I had files transferred to Commons (this one is from 7 days before you claimed I started, and here is another if you think it was just a fluke. A huge portion of my uploads to Commons were transfers from Wikipedia). If you know anything about SUL at the time, you were quite able to look at Commons without having to log in. I find it a little odd how you feel that any of this helps your cause. I guess you like off topic rambles. But thank you for admitting that your whole reason here was to "toy with people" and that we no longer have to assume good faith about any of your contributions. :) Ottava Rima (talk) 15:13, 23 December 2011 (UTC)
- I didn't say your SUL account began on Commons. The date I gave was the first time you logged into Commons after you created your SUL, ie the date your activity as OR started on Commons. You do get confused easily dontchya? We are both filling the page with off topic stuff which is why I suggested a mutual cessation, but I see that won't happen. BTW please don't think I'm dumb enough to think that I can change your mind, you aren't the one my words are aimed at. Anyway, you may now have whatever last words you feel are necessary. I'm finished with toying with you, the amusement has now waned and I'm bored. Perhaps someone should put all this sub-thread bollocks into a collapsible box? --Fred the Oyster (talk) 10:31, 23 December 2011 (UTC)
- I find it interesting how you think my account began on Commons, especially when the SUL page shows that it began on en.wiki. And you do know that you haven't been on topic in a long time. It makes sense - you botched the claim about policy, evidence was shown that practice accepts such deletions as speedies, and now you are filling the page with off topic stuff. Well, I guess that is how you decide to get your way with things. It doesn't really work like that. Ottava Rima (talk) 03:38, 23 December 2011 (UTC)
- Thank you for providing the link that shows how mistaken you are and how correct I can be. Go back to your SUL Info page, scroll down to the commonswiki entry under "Local wikis" and you will see "commonswiki.......29 August 2008.......1357.........autopatrolled". As you should know, your SUL is only activated per wiki when you first login to a particular wiki, not at the date of when you went over to SUL. And now whose competency is in doubt when a so-called educated man cannot either remember a password and/or write it down somewhere in something like, errr, I don't know, how about a password database app, or even a spreadsheet? In any case, I didn't ask you why you chose to no longer use it, I asked you its name. I apologise for asking questions that obviously confuse you, but enquiring minds wish to know these things. The Mission statement is a policy from which all the others commenced. It doesn't have to have "policy" emblazoned at the top of the page to be a policy you know. This is getting mentally tiring for an old fart like me to keep having to teach your things. Maybe if you tone down the BS it'll take a load off me? If I'm digging, it can only be your grave sunshine, and I suspect that can never be deep enough. So what are the chances of getting back on topic now? --Fred the Oyster (talk) 03:33, 23 December 2011 (UTC)
- "Your current account started 29-Aug-2008" No. My account started 30 September 2007 and many of my images were transferred over here. "I don't use 2 accounts at the same time." Already proven wrong - you had a solid few months of overlap and that automatically disqualifies you from making claims about acceptable actions. As for me, I had one previous account in undergrad, which lasted until 2005. There was a solid 2 years between that account and Ottava Rima and it was a well known situation of me not remembering my password nor having access to the email address because it was connected to the undergrad (and different from the alumni one). You are just digging your hole deeper now. The killer was claiming that the mission statement was some how policy. Ottava Rima (talk) 03:06, 23 December 2011 (UTC)
- As I said, you make things up to support your position. Your current account started 29-Aug-2008, not "2007". I don't use 2 accounts at the same time. The WH account hasn't been used since Jan 2011, whereas FtO has been active quite a lot since then. In any case 1) having two accounts is not against the rules when they aren't being used abusively 2) what does it have to do with a picture of a bendy cock? So I see even more BS from OR, who seems to have unilaterally declared this to be a competition. "Our" policies and traditions? Since when did they belong to 'us'? See there you go with the tradition thing again, but why can't you realise that it was you who has gone all traditional? You do seem to confuse things between Commons and en.wiki. Now you can bluster and lie as much as you like, but the fact remains that your demands are not supported by policy, it's as simple as that. So can we get back to the DR instead of all this bullshit that has no reason in being here. Unless you'd like to type out some more falsehoods that can be shown to be what they are. Oh, whilst I remember, you mentioned earlier about the reason why there's no policy that supports my right to type here. Well I think you'll find that is covered by the Wikimedia mission statement. On another note, regarding my two accounts. To add hypocrisy to your seemingly ever-growing list of, errr, 'problems', you've also stated that you have more than one account here. Care to mention which one it is? After all I've been quite open about the names of my accounts. I invite you to do the same. --Fred the Oyster (talk) 02:58, 23 December 2011 (UTC)
- I assume your inability to recognize your own quote about 2008 as from you and not me is the same as you being unable to recognize "proposed policy" as being different from "policy". It may also be related to you thinking that using two accounts at the same time is acceptable. You have a strange way of going against our policies and traditions. You don't have any ground for making any claims here and you have already lost. Ottava Rima (talk) 02:26, 23 December 2011 (UTC)
- You do like to make things up to support your position dontchya? The WebHamster account started on 12-Sep-2007, not 2008. "We've"? You tried make to make out that I couldn't distinguish the difference. When there's a dirty great banner at the top of the page it's rather difficult to not notice the fact. The fact that codicil was written into the proposed policy shows that I am not on my own in this. Likewise the fact that the proposed policy adjustment is directly linked to from the official policy page also shows that someone 'upstairs' is unofficially supporting it. As for tyres, well at least I know how to spell them correctly. As for Meta, why would I want to go there? It's full of bullshit and lies and people like you. I have enough problems holding my nose when I take part in DRs like this. I don't do politics, primarily because it's full of people who think they can do politics and want to get something out of it, usually power of some sort. --Fred the Oyster (talk) 01:35, 23 December 2011 (UTC)
- "whereas yours started in 2008" Actually, this account started in 2007 but it was not my first Commons account but merely my first SUL account. And if you think policies are what is and isn't acceptable then you are sorely mistaken. Otherwise, there would be a policy that gives you the right to edit. You've obviously never been at Meta and helped create new projects. But we've already pointed out that you couldn't distinguish between policy and proposed policy, and your refusal to accept that disqualifies all other statements you could make. You have to overcome this major error before you can proceed. You are like someone trying to drive on four flat tires. Push down on the gas all you want - you aren't going anywhere. Ottava Rima (talk) 01:08, 23 December 2011 (UTC)
- Firstly, not counting IP accesses my first account was WebHamster (talk · contribs) which started in 2007, whereas yours started in 2008. Now that's cleared up, onto policy. Policies are not a "limitation", they are a written down list of what is and what isn't acceptable. There is nothing written down anywhere that says an uploader request is a valid reason for a speedy. Therefore, in a similar way to the way copyright works, ie it doesn't have to be stated, it's automatic, anything which is stated to be a reason is a reason, anything else is accepted not to be a reason ergo you still cannot back up your demand with anything written down. However what is written down is that the uploader's declared license is irrevocable. This means that he cannot control, or insist, that anyone do anything with it that he doesn't like, e.g. delete it. Commons is quite legally entitle to keep the image on its server and host it to whomever wants it. As I said before, I could edit the file, eg crop it, alter the histogram etc and re-upload it thereby making this discussion moot. As the license states, I am (or anyone else is, including Commons) free "to copy, distribute and transmit the work". The uploader gave away his right to insist that the file no longer be distributed by Commons, which is in essence what is being asked. Now all that is written down, both in policy and in licensing. So barring the image being a copyvio or some other legal violation, which speedys were designed for, then a user request should go to a consensus decision such as this DR, not to the decision making skills of one admin. --Fred the Oyster (talk) 00:16, 23 December 2011 (UTC)
- User:Fae had an image speedy deleted by user request. Hundreds of others have also. We delete both text and images. Just because someone puts forth a release does not mean that we are permanent host or that the material has to be hosted anywhere. I don't think you understand how Commons operates. Ottava Rima (talk) 19:42, 21 December 2011 (UTC)
- It is not acceptable to make random DRs a forum for you to lobby against me. Your comment is highly inappropriate. --Fæ (talk) 08:37, 22 December 2011 (UTC)
- Lobby against you? At no time did I say the speedy deletion was incorrect. You are making false claims about my comments yet again. Are you really looking to be blocked? Because you don't seem to get that you can't just make up things like that. Ottava Rima (talk) 12:35, 22 December 2011 (UTC)
- Quoting my name here on a sex related deletion request that has nothing to do with me, I have not even commented on and with regard to an unrelated deletion that I have made no comment about on Commons is not appropriate. This appears to be deliberate and personal harassment. --Fæ (talk) 12:58, 22 December 2011 (UTC)
- Sex related discussion? According to your other posts, these are just educational images. Odd how you create some sort of double standard. You were a recent case of a speedy deletion by user request. If you don't like that, why request it? It was your action and it is a public action. Ottava Rima (talk) 14:14, 22 December 2011 (UTC)
- Quoting my name here on a sex related deletion request that has nothing to do with me, I have not even commented on and with regard to an unrelated deletion that I have made no comment about on Commons is not appropriate. This appears to be deliberate and personal harassment. --Fæ (talk) 12:58, 22 December 2011 (UTC)
- Lobby against you? At no time did I say the speedy deletion was incorrect. You are making false claims about my comments yet again. Are you really looking to be blocked? Because you don't seem to get that you can't just make up things like that. Ottava Rima (talk) 12:35, 22 December 2011 (UTC)
- It is not acceptable to make random DRs a forum for you to lobby against me. Your comment is highly inappropriate. --Fæ (talk) 08:37, 22 December 2011 (UTC)
- User:Fae had an image speedy deleted by user request. Hundreds of others have also. We delete both text and images. Just because someone puts forth a release does not mean that we are permanent host or that the material has to be hosted anywhere. I don't think you understand how Commons operates. Ottava Rima (talk) 19:42, 21 December 2011 (UTC)
- Delete - self request, this should be speedied. Ottava Rima (talk) 02:25, 21 December 2011 (UTC)
- Since when has a "self request" been a part of the speedy rationale? --Fred the Oyster (talk) 09:37, 21 December 2011 (UTC)
- Pretty much forever. You have been around long enough to know that answer and it is disappointing that you would act in this way. Ottava Rima (talk) 10:57, 21 December 2011 (UTC)
- Perhaps you should re-read Commons:SPEEDY again, #7, bearing in mind that this image was originally uploaded in October of this year. --Fred the Oyster (talk) 11:12, 21 December 2011 (UTC)
- There is no "#7" when regarding "Speedy Deletion" in our official speedy criteria, which is Commons:Deletion policy. Nor are there any numbers regarding Speedy Deletions. Now, we do allow for users to speedy delete their own work, which is "irrevocably agreed to", so allowing it in one area sets the legal precedence of an expectation of self nominated deletions. Ottava Rima (talk) 15:47, 21 December 2011 (UTC)
- There is indeed a #7 under General Reasons, to whit: "7. Author or uploader request deletion.
- Original uploader or author requests deletion of recently created (<7 days) unused page or file. Author/uploader requests for deletion of content that are in use should be filed at the Deletion Requests page. Older content (>7 days) may not be speedily deleted per author/uploader requests, as they may be used by external websites and would thus not show up in Special:GlobalUsage. Such content would also require a Deletion Request." --Fred the Oyster (talk) 16:46, 21 December 2011 (UTC)
- That is not policy. That is from another page that was a proposal that failed. That was pointed out. DR requires you to understand our policies. Please reread how we operate and our policies before trying to make claims in the future. Otherwise, you are making claims of things that are patently not true. Ottava Rima (talk) 17:53, 21 December 2011 (UTC)
- You do talk bollocks sunshine. There is absolutely nothing in the deletion policy to support your assertion that this file should be speedied simply because the uploader asked. If there were you'd have pointed me at it the first time you mentioned it. And yes what I quoted is indeed a proposal, but I see nothing on that page that says it was a failed proposal merely that it is still a work in progress and strangely it is still linked to from the deletion policy page. So the upshot is that you've made comments that you haven't backed up with evidence. You use the term "we" a lot when referring to various elements of WMF, and that you've got a pretty good handle on how to be patronising. But other than that you've got nothing but opinion yourself. --Fred the Oyster (talk) 18:12, 21 December 2011 (UTC)
- "be speedied simply because the uploader asked" - Actually, it is the opposite. There is nothing preventing it. Right now, speedies do not have a clear limit, and the notion that we specifically allow for in practice these speedies in the past suggests a clear precedent, especially when combined with speedies of user pages and the rest. The only reason this is suddenly controversial is that there is nudity involved. Face pictures and the rest were cleared off without a problem. That shows a majorly inappropriate difference in standards which isn't acceptable. Ottava Rima (talk) 18:40, 21 December 2011 (UTC)
- What is preventing it is the lack of official policy that says it should be speedied allied with the license it was released under. There is no official policy, so you asking for it (demanding it even) to be speedied has no backing of policy. Additionally just because other files may have been deleted does not automatically become a precedent, in fact it's always been accepted that "other stuff etc" is an argument that shouldn't be brought to deletion requests. This is an individual case, as all deletion reviews should be. So ultimately you have no official backing to support your demand, simples. So do you have any reasons why this image should be deleted other than the request by the uploader? Incidentally, deleting a user page on request is a totally different matter to deleting an image. --Fred the Oyster (talk) 19:10, 21 December 2011 (UTC)
- A speedy policy would limit the use of speedy deletions, not increase it. Right now, there is nothing to prevent a user request. Most DRs are pointless and there should be far more speedies. The only problem is when people like you arrive and make statements about tradition and policy that are not grounded in the actuality. Ottava Rima (talk) 19:43, 21 December 2011 (UTC)
- "People like me arrive"? What the fuck are you talking about? I haven't invoked tradition, that was your response with regard to precedents etc. I have been referring to actual policy, it's you that can't come up with anything to support your demands. And yes a more defined speedy deletion policy would decrease the amount of speedies handed out, which, IMHO, can only be a good thing as a lot of speedys in the sexual arena are done as a knee jerk reaction rather than based on any policy backing. A bit like your demands above in fact. A deletion review is the proper arena for this, not one admin's take on an ill-defined policy. --Fred the Oyster (talk) 21:31, 22 December 2011 (UTC)
- "I have been referring to actual policy" This was debunked. You were referring to a proposed policy and failed to recognize that. You still don't recognize it. Ottava Rima (talk) 23:03, 22 December 2011 (UTC)
- "People like me arrive"? What the fuck are you talking about? I haven't invoked tradition, that was your response with regard to precedents etc. I have been referring to actual policy, it's you that can't come up with anything to support your demands. And yes a more defined speedy deletion policy would decrease the amount of speedies handed out, which, IMHO, can only be a good thing as a lot of speedys in the sexual arena are done as a knee jerk reaction rather than based on any policy backing. A bit like your demands above in fact. A deletion review is the proper arena for this, not one admin's take on an ill-defined policy. --Fred the Oyster (talk) 21:31, 22 December 2011 (UTC)
- A speedy policy would limit the use of speedy deletions, not increase it. Right now, there is nothing to prevent a user request. Most DRs are pointless and there should be far more speedies. The only problem is when people like you arrive and make statements about tradition and policy that are not grounded in the actuality. Ottava Rima (talk) 19:43, 21 December 2011 (UTC)
- What is preventing it is the lack of official policy that says it should be speedied allied with the license it was released under. There is no official policy, so you asking for it (demanding it even) to be speedied has no backing of policy. Additionally just because other files may have been deleted does not automatically become a precedent, in fact it's always been accepted that "other stuff etc" is an argument that shouldn't be brought to deletion requests. This is an individual case, as all deletion reviews should be. So ultimately you have no official backing to support your demand, simples. So do you have any reasons why this image should be deleted other than the request by the uploader? Incidentally, deleting a user page on request is a totally different matter to deleting an image. --Fred the Oyster (talk) 19:10, 21 December 2011 (UTC)
- "be speedied simply because the uploader asked" - Actually, it is the opposite. There is nothing preventing it. Right now, speedies do not have a clear limit, and the notion that we specifically allow for in practice these speedies in the past suggests a clear precedent, especially when combined with speedies of user pages and the rest. The only reason this is suddenly controversial is that there is nudity involved. Face pictures and the rest were cleared off without a problem. That shows a majorly inappropriate difference in standards which isn't acceptable. Ottava Rima (talk) 18:40, 21 December 2011 (UTC)
- You do talk bollocks sunshine. There is absolutely nothing in the deletion policy to support your assertion that this file should be speedied simply because the uploader asked. If there were you'd have pointed me at it the first time you mentioned it. And yes what I quoted is indeed a proposal, but I see nothing on that page that says it was a failed proposal merely that it is still a work in progress and strangely it is still linked to from the deletion policy page. So the upshot is that you've made comments that you haven't backed up with evidence. You use the term "we" a lot when referring to various elements of WMF, and that you've got a pretty good handle on how to be patronising. But other than that you've got nothing but opinion yourself. --Fred the Oyster (talk) 18:12, 21 December 2011 (UTC)
- That is not policy. That is from another page that was a proposal that failed. That was pointed out. DR requires you to understand our policies. Please reread how we operate and our policies before trying to make claims in the future. Otherwise, you are making claims of things that are patently not true. Ottava Rima (talk) 17:53, 21 December 2011 (UTC)
- There is no "#7" when regarding "Speedy Deletion" in our official speedy criteria, which is Commons:Deletion policy. Nor are there any numbers regarding Speedy Deletions. Now, we do allow for users to speedy delete their own work, which is "irrevocably agreed to", so allowing it in one area sets the legal precedence of an expectation of self nominated deletions. Ottava Rima (talk) 15:47, 21 December 2011 (UTC)
- Perhaps you should re-read Commons:SPEEDY again, #7, bearing in mind that this image was originally uploaded in October of this year. --Fred the Oyster (talk) 11:12, 21 December 2011 (UTC)
- Pretty much forever. You have been around long enough to know that answer and it is disappointing that you would act in this way. Ottava Rima (talk) 10:57, 21 December 2011 (UTC)
- Since when has a "self request" been a part of the speedy rationale? --Fred the Oyster (talk) 09:37, 21 December 2011 (UTC)
[content redacted Rd232 (talk) 02:09, 2 January 2012 (UTC)]
Kept: Per Fred the Oyster. Leyo 00:28, 28 December 2011 (UTC)
The uploader asked kindly to get this file deleted c. five weeks after it was uploaded. Even if the free license is unrevokable we should be more lenient to our contributors in case of second thoughts after such a short time period. This is also true if the uploader cannot be identified as we can never be sure who else knows about this upload and to which extent the nickname of the uploader is known to his personal environment. This picture is still unused and I think that we shall delete it out of courtesy. We have handled it in other cases similarly. AFBorchert (talk) 17:54, 20 July 2012 (UTC)
- But why do you bring it up now, over half a year after the original DR? The more time elapsed the more it is likely that third parties are using the image (and with that comes commons obligation to keep it as a proof of its copyright status). Also, there is no substitute available (Peyronie's disease shown in flaccid penis).
On the other hand I can understand the uploader's wish (personal environment).
I guess I would have voted "delete" in the original DR, but now, I go with neutral due to the time passed. Also we don't know if the deletion still matters to the uploader. --Isderion (talk) 19:31, 20 July 2012 (UTC)
- I got aware of this case through this discussion at en-wp. --AFBorchert (talk) 20:56, 20 July 2012 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. We should never host images of this type without the consent of the person depicted, whether their face is shown or not. There are many other ways to be recognisable: through an account name, or simply due to gossip about the image. --JN466 03:13, 21 July 2012 (UTC)
- We are here to provide educational resources. People who write medical textbooks outwith Wikimedia are, too. They are subject to ethical standards regarding the identification of patients. See, for example Uniform Requirements for Manuscripts Submitted to Biomedical Journals: Ethical Considerations in the Conduct and Reporting of Research: Privacy and Confidentiality by the International Committee of Medical Journal Editors. (There is much discussion of the ethics of medical publications in the literature, including things such as doi:10.1001/jama.1991.03460200100043.) Such standards include informed consent given in writing, and the elimination of names and other forms of identification.
We, who are supporting textbooks at Wikibooks, an encyclopaedia at Wikipedia, a dictionary at Wiktionary, and providing educational resources in our own right, should have no lower an ethical standard, when it comes to images of people's medical problems. We should pay particular attention to the facts that our mechanisms for enforcing free content copyright licencing require identifiable sources and thus in part force identification, that the upload histories publicly link user accounts to images, and that the act of uploading does not necessarily denote informed consent upon the part of the potentially naïve uploader.
If someone requests that an image of his penis and his medical problems not be splashed all over the World Wide Web by Wikimedia projects, then we should accede to that request, and not try to weasel out of it with all sorts of hair-splitting arguments about how user accounts might lend unidentifiability and about how there are "no backsies". We should aim for no lower a standard of professionalism than that of those professionals who write the non-free-content textbooks, dictionaries, and encyclopaedias. That includes respect for medical confidentiality, acknowledgement of when consent might not have been informed, and no forcing people to be public about their medical problems against their will.
Delete.
- Delete. The ethical problems of wikis and images of genitalia and medical conditions will take longer to solve, but this one is easy as it falls into the simple scenario of uploader requesting deletion of all their images, essentially asking for the meta:Right to vanish. I think we should follow the decisions made at Commons:Deletion requests/File:Jhgthghj.jpg, Commons:Deletion requests/File:Masturbating by gripping and sliding the back and forth 1.jpg and Commons:Deletion requests/File:Masturbating by gripping and sliding the back and forth 2.jpg, which were all delete for various reasons. John Vandenberg (chat) 04:40, 22 July 2012 (UTC)
- Interpreting the "right to vanish" in this way is too harsh. Do you really expect Commons to retroactively delete everything someone uploads if (when) they get voted off the island and banned from the project? (Mbz1, for example?) Wnt (talk) 19:04, 22 July 2012 (UTC)
- Delete. Just because something has been validly licensed doesn't mean we have to keep it. If we can't ethically use it then is it truly still in scope? WereSpielChequers (talk) 11:11, 22 July 2012 (UTC)
- Compromise - Flickr-wash this thing. Delete this image, but upload a perhaps slightly more cropped version to Flickr under a new account there, use a brand new Commons account to upload it after some delay, and certify it is CC-licensed image by this means. Use, of course, a new filename, and don't attribute it to the original author (CC licensing permits this when the author so chooses, AFAIR). Ordinarily Flickr-washing is a no-no, but in this case the purpose would only be to make sure that the image would be impossible to track back to the original Commons account. I think that should be permitted, under these special circumstances, and I think it would at least nominally satisfy the ethics requirements described above (presuming that informed consent was originally given, in written form, when the image was uploaded). Wnt (talk) 18:59, 22 July 2012 (UTC)
- Wnt, I know you are aware of other images that have been deleted from Commons because the uploader found them embarassing. Do you think that it would be ok to re-upload those images to Commons via Flickr as you suggest for this image? Delicious carbuncle (talk) 20:42, 22 July 2012 (UTC)
- The point of this exercise is to ensure that the image is not personally identifiable. This could be done in other situations where the image is not personally identifiable, provided that the uploader has chosen to repudiate association with the image beforehand so that it can be distributed without attribution to him in accordance with the CC license. Wnt (talk) 23:19, 22 July 2012 (UTC)
- Whilst this should be a perfectly valid route for an uploader to choose to take, I think we've gone past the point where one could reasonably suggest this to this uploader in this instance. Also they are as you are aware still vulnerable to being tracked down by certain websites..... WereSpielChequers (talk) 20:53, 22 July 2012 (UTC)
- If someone is that determined to track down the image, they can simply use the copy they already have or find of this one. We're not losing anything if someone does this. In fact, I suppose that consensus is not needed for this - any one person can upload the image to Flickr without attribution, as the uploader has repudiated it, and anyone finding that image can upload it here. (Though yes, stripping the EXIF data and recropping might generally be good precautions) Wnt (talk) 23:24, 22 July 2012 (UTC)
- I may be missing something here, but I don't see asking for something to be deleted as quite the same as releasing an image as PD. I agree that if someone did want an image to still be available, just not associated with them then your route could work, though I'd have thought that we would need an OTRS ticket to confirm the PD release. But I wouldn't want to pressurise someone into doing that when they've told us they want it deleted. WereSpielChequers (talk) 11:57, 23 July 2012 (UTC)
- If someone is that determined to track down the image, they can simply use the copy they already have or find of this one. We're not losing anything if someone does this. In fact, I suppose that consensus is not needed for this - any one person can upload the image to Flickr without attribution, as the uploader has repudiated it, and anyone finding that image can upload it here. (Though yes, stripping the EXIF data and recropping might generally be good precautions) Wnt (talk) 23:24, 22 July 2012 (UTC)
- Wnt, your suggestion would not be possible under the terms of the CC licence, as the copyright holder needs to be attributed. russavia (talk) 02:44, 23 July 2012 (UTC)
- The CC license is anything but clear [2]. Note 4(a):" If You create a Collection, upon notice from any Licensor You must, to the extent practicable, remove from the Collection any credit as required by Section 4(c), as requested. If You create an Adaptation, upon notice from any Licensor You must, to the extent practicable, remove from the Adaptation any credit as required by Section 4(c), as requested." and 4(c): "You must, unless a request has been made pursuant to Section 4(a), keep intact all copyright notices for the Work and provide, reasonable to the medium or means You are utilizing..." To me, this sounds like the Licensor has requested not to be credited in our Collection (Commons), and so we must not credit him, but still have a CC-license to reproduce the material, as does anyone else downloading. True, I'm not a lawyer, but I'd bet (like anything) a court would say OK to that 50% of the time... Wnt (talk) 00:51, 28 July 2012 (UTC)
- Wnt, I know you are aware of other images that have been deleted from Commons because the uploader found them embarassing. Do you think that it would be ok to re-upload those images to Commons via Flickr as you suggest for this image? Delicious carbuncle (talk) 20:42, 22 July 2012 (UTC)
- Delete - Per request of subject/uploader. Delicious carbuncle (talk) 20:44, 22 July 2012 (UTC)
- Delete as is typically done for wikimedia insiders when they request deletion of distressing pictures.Bali ultimate (talk) 00:54, 5 August 2012 (UTC)
Deleted, 1. Use: The file was not in use; an alternative image illustrating the disease was preferred in Wikipedias. Yes, it was substantially different from the existing image, but apparently not so different that editors felt the need to use it in addition. 2. Legal: This image was surely taken in a private place. Per Commons:BLP#Consent_and_personality_rights, there are various countries where subject consent may be needed to publish a photo taken in a private place. Assuming it was ever given, the uploader's deletion request should be read as withdrawal of it, absent more information (COM:PRP). 3. Moral: whilst Commons:BLP#Moral_issues doesn't specifically address the medical ethics issues raised by Uncle G, this is surely an area that requires extra benefit-of-the-doubt given to uploader and/or subject wishes. Hence, deleted. Rd232 (talk) 13:55, 4 September 2012 (UTC)
Too small, no use, out of scope Morning Sunshine (talk) 08:25, 18 December 2011 (UTC)
- Delete - Per nom. --Dэя-Бøяg 12:42, 18 December 2011 (UTC)
Deleted: Out of project scope George Chernilevsky talk 22:09, 29 December 2011 (UTC)
Unused personal image, out of scope Morning Sunshine (talk) 08:38, 18 December 2011 (UTC)
- Delete - Per nom and also because is too little and ruined to be used. --Dэя-Бøяg 12:44, 18 December 2011 (UTC)
Deleted: Out of project scope George Chernilevsky talk 22:10, 29 December 2011 (UTC)
Personal logo without use, bad quality, out of scope Funfood ␌ 12:25, 18 December 2011 (UTC)
Deleted: Out of project scope George Chernilevsky talk 22:11, 29 December 2011 (UTC)
Photograph of a non-notable person. Out of the commons project scope. Alpha_Quadrant (talk) 18:36, 18 December 2011 (UTC)
Deleted: Out of project scope George Chernilevsky talk 22:11, 29 December 2011 (UTC)
Out of project scope, author, source and license not verified Funfood ␌ 18:52, 18 December 2011 (UTC)
Deleted: Out of project scope George Chernilevsky talk 22:12, 29 December 2011 (UTC)
just a white image, should be used on a userpage but unused, out of scope Funfood ␌ 19:34, 18 December 2011 (UTC)
Deleted: Out of project scope George Chernilevsky talk 22:12, 29 December 2011 (UTC)
self promotional, out of scope Ezarateesteban 19:48, 18 December 2011 (UTC)
Deleted: Out of project scope George Chernilevsky talk 22:13, 29 December 2011 (UTC)
out of scope, only text Ezarateesteban 19:49, 18 December 2011 (UTC)
Deleted: Out of project scope George Chernilevsky talk 22:13, 29 December 2011 (UTC)
the flickr source for all IDF photos (meaning all images that use the IDF template) is cc-by-nc-sa.. 31.168.64.243 00:23, 18 December 2011 (UTC)
- On December 1st 2011, the IDF spokesperson has re-licensed all his flickr photos from cc-by-sa to cc-by-sa-nc. As the cc-by-sa is a non-revocable license all those uploads, that where verified by me (I'm a valid License reviewer on the role of admin) are now under cc-by-sa-3.0 here, and shouldn't be deleted. matanya • talk 06:55, 18 December 2011 (UTC)
- On a sidenote, I must add that the behavior of the IDF spokesperson on this matter is a shame. Oyoyoy (talk) 09:09, 18 December 2011 (UTC)
- Keep Licenses are irrevocable; also, one cannot delete images (how many in this case) by nominating a category. /Pieter Kuiper (talk) 20:56, 19 December 2011 (UTC)
- Keep All the pictures here were originally released under CC-BY-SA at Flickr. MathKnight 21:03, 20 December 2011 (UTC)
Kept: The Creative Commons license are irrevocable, when the photo was uploaded the license was ok Ezarateesteban 14:00, 30 December 2011 (UTC)
Comment Just to add to this to the DR for archive purposes: The original statement that the images were released as cc-by cc-by-2.0 from the IDF spokement was here: https://twitter.com/#!/IDFSpokesperson/status/115769848629428227 . I can also confirm, that the images where released as cc-by-2.0. See my comment on VillagePump here: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Archive/2011/09#Flickr_Photo_Stream_of_Israeli_Army_now_CC_BY_2.0 . Later the license was changed to a non commercial license on flickr. Commons got a OTRS Ticket (Ticket#: 2012111510019418) for the NC images on flickr. The ticket is quite weak. Amada44 talk to me 12:36, 15 February 2014 (UTC)
There is no indication of a free licence, Copyright © Alexandra Kamińska here. Ras67 (talk) 00:52, 18 December 2011 (UTC)
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Deleted: per Ras67 Ezarateesteban 14:02, 30 December 2011 (UTC)
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There is no indication of a free licence, Copyright © Alexandra Kamińska here Ras67 (talk) 00:53, 18 December 2011 (UTC)
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Deleted: per Ras67 Ezarateesteban 14:02, 30 December 2011 (UTC)
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libro para es.wikisource, pero las imágenes no se ven, es de mala calidad para transcribirlo. Solicito borrado, buscaré una versión mejor Azalee (talk) 02:08, 18 December 2011 (UTC)
- No es difícil leer el libro.
Stefan4 (talk) 02:29, 19 December 2011 (UTC)
Deleted: uploader request, out of scope Ezarateesteban 14:03, 30 December 2011 (UTC)
Copyright vio. Rapsar (talk) 10:17, 18 December 2011 (UTC)
- Delete: It was taken from galatasaray.org. Takabeg (talk) 15:21, 18 December 2011 (UTC)
Deleted: copyright violation Polarlys (talk) 23:53, 1 January 2012 (UTC)
Above the threshold of originality, contains various creative elements and a complex design (shadows, 3D effects, etc) Martin H. (talk) 10:35, 18 December 2011 (UTC)
- Delete - far above the threshold, compare with examples in Commons talk:Threshold of originality#Above the threshold. /Pieter Kuiper (talk) 21:10, 19 December 2011 (UTC)
Deleted: Per discussion. Leyo 16:51, 4 January 2012 (UTC)
Personal picture, out of project scope. The photo was taken at a meeting at which the person depicted (Marina Weisband) did not participate in the first place as a politician, but rather as a private person. As the main author of the article de:Marina Weisband in the German Wikipedia, I was informed by Marina Weisband by e-mail that she, with the publication of this image does not agree. Jocian (talk) 16:04, 18 December 2011 (UTC)
- Keep - public meeting, even tv was present. /Pieter Kuiper (talk) 21:35, 19 December 2011 (UTC)
- Delete - As Jocian and on the other hand poor quality. There are enough useful pictures with her on commons, this one ist not presentable. --Stepro (talk) 23:54, 19 December 2011 (UTC)
- es war bei einer öffentlichen podiumsdiskussion mit u.a. dem bürgermeister von reykjavík, Jon Gnarr [3] + dem philosophen Richard David Precht [4], die beide offensichtlich viel weniger probleme mit den fotos haben, die ich während der veranstaltung von ihnen gemacht habe! anscheinend ist es bei fotos von (emanzipierten?) jungen damen ein selbstbewustseinsproblem, damit locker umzugehen, wenn sie zuvor nicht vom stylisten aufgebrezelt wurden? dontworry (talk) 18:03, 23 December 2011 (UTC)
- Ob Jon Gnarr und Davi Precht sich an solchen „Schnappschussfotos“ von mäßiger Qualität „erfreuen“, darf wohl eher bezweifelt werden – spielt aber für diese Löschdiskusion keinerlei Rolle. Und PA-lastige und polemische Bemerkungen und Unterstellungen („Selbstbewusstseinsproblem“, „aufgebrezelt wurden“ ??) sind hier ebenfalls mehr als entbehrlich. --Jocian (talk) 17:54, 28 December 2011 (UTC)
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- Keep - keep it - public meeting --188.174.93.32 22:01, 23 December 2011 (UTC)
- Keep, public meeting. Ajraddatz (talk) 22:14, 23 December 2011 (UTC)
- Keep - public meeting with Jon Gnarr, Richard David Precht, Marina Weisband et al. and television; acceptable quality -- Dievo (talk) 23:36, 23 December 2011 (UTC)
- „Public meeting“ does not matter. The image is a „snapshot picture“ of poor quality, the person being photographed is hardly recognizable. There are enough better pictures of her on Commons, this one has no sufficient information content. --Jocian (talk) 18:46, 28 December 2011 (UTC)
- Keep - clear keep - as a politician you have to accept that there will be uncomfortable images of you in the public, see for comparison this [5] - a sweating German chancelor --Cholo Aleman (talk) 13:35, 31 December 2011 (UTC)
- @ Cholo Aleman: Commons is not a dumping ground for „snapshot pictures“ of poor quality. --Jocian (talk) 17:18, 2 January 2012 (UTC)
Info I've informed the pictured person (User:MarinaWeisband) about this deletion request today, see [6] --:bdk: 21:45, 1 January 2012 (UTC)
- Delete Bitte löschen, ich bin mit der Verwendung dieser Bilder von mir nicht einverstanden. --MarinaWeisband (talk) 22:07, 1 January 2012 (UTC)
- And why should that matter? It reminds me of how Chancellor Schröder sued ddp for saying that he dyed his hair black. /Pieter Kuiper (talk) 22:37, 1 January 2012 (UTC)
- @ Pieter Kuiper: Can it be that you're a little off the subject? --Jocian (talk) 17:08, 2 January 2012 (UTC)
- Keep Person öffentlichen Interesses anscheinend bei einer öffentlichen Veranstaltung aufgenommen. @Marina: Grottige Fotos sagen mehr über den Fotografen aus als über das Motiv :-) -- smial (talk) 18:33, 2 January 2012 (UTC)
- Keep an awful photo which can be used as a deterrent example how not to portray people --Sungrazer (talk) 13:05, 4 January 2012 (UTC)
Kept: Just because someone doesn't like the image of herself is no valid reson for deletion Denniss (talk) 21:40, 4 January 2012 (UTC)
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Unless the uploader owns and operates a satellite, this is obviously not their "own work". —LX (talk, contribs) 11:16, 18 December 2011 (UTC)
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Deleted: copyright violation Polarlys (talk) 23:10, 5 January 2012 (UTC)
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Low quality (excessive jpg compression) and unused image of a non-notable person. Out of the commons project scope. Alpha_Quadrant (talk) 17:50, 18 December 2011 (UTC)
Deleted: Out of project scope George Chernilevsky talk 13:11, 7 January 2012 (UTC)
C'étais une plaisanterie faite avec une amie où nous avons mis une photo d'elle sur wikipedia. Elle s'affiche maintenant sur google image nous voudrions donc la supprimer. merci Brunny-cookies (talk) 20:03, 18 December 2011 (UTC)
Deleted. Jim . . . . Jameslwoodward (talk to me) 15:13, 8 January 2012 (UTC)
Painting by Jens Christian Andresen (1865-1949), not public domain. Martin H. (talk) 19:43, 18 December 2011 (UTC)
- My mistake. I miscalculated. Should be deleted //Cheers,--Bulver (talk) 22:55, 18 December 2011 (UTC)
Deleted. High Contrast (talk) 16:51, 12 February 2012 (UTC)
Uploader seems to be a fan/friend as all his uploads are surrounding the subject. Some of his uploads are taken from the facebook fan page of the subject —Commander (Ping me) 05:51, 18 December 2011 (UTC)
Deleted. MBisanz talk 15:20, 16 February 2012 (UTC)
Uploader seems to be a fan/friend as all his uploads are surrounding the subject. Some of his uploads are taken from the facebook fan page of the subject —Commander (Ping me) 05:52, 18 December 2011 (UTC)
Deleted. MBisanz talk 15:20, 16 February 2012 (UTC)
Uploader seems to be a fan/friend as all his uploads are surrounding the subject. Some of his uploads are taken from the facebook fan page of the subject —Commander (Ping me) 05:52, 18 December 2011 (UTC)
Deleted. MBisanz talk 15:20, 16 February 2012 (UTC)
Uploader seems to be a fan/friend as all his uploads are surrounding the subject. Some of his uploads are taken from the facebook fan page of the subject —Commander (Ping me) 05:52, 18 December 2011 (UTC)
Deleted. MBisanz talk 15:20, 16 February 2012 (UTC)
Uploader seems to be a fan/friend as all his uploads are surrounding the subject. Some of his uploads are taken from the facebook fan page of the subject —Commander (Ping me) 05:52, 18 December 2011 (UTC)
Deleted. MBisanz talk 15:20, 16 February 2012 (UTC)
Uploader seems to be a fan/friend as all his uploads are surrounding the subject. Some of his uploads are taken from the facebook fan page of the subject —Commander (Ping me) 05:52, 18 December 2011 (UTC)
Deleted. MBisanz talk 15:21, 16 February 2012 (UTC)
Uploader seems to be a fan/friend as all his uploads are surrounding the subject. Some of his uploads are taken from the facebook fan page of the subject —Commander (Ping me) 05:52, 18 December 2011 (UTC)
Deleted. MBisanz talk 15:21, 16 February 2012 (UTC)
Uploader seems to be a fan/friend as all his uploads are surrounding the subject. Some of his uploads are taken from the facebook fan page of the subject —Commander (Ping me) 06:03, 18 December 2011 (UTC)
Deleted. MBisanz talk 15:21, 16 February 2012 (UTC)
Out of project scope unused private photo George Chernilevsky talk 10:08, 18 December 2011 (UTC)
Deleted. MBisanz talk 15:21, 16 February 2012 (UTC)
Claimed as PD, but almost certianly a screenshot from a copyright work. Sfan00 IMG (talk) 13:45, 18 December 2011 (UTC)
- Keep As the copyright notice clearly states, this is a screencap from the US trailer, which is categorically not a copyrighted work. Trailers were also required to include a copyright notice prior to 1978 to register the copyright of the material contained within so it wouldn't fall into the public domain (since they were publicly exhibited before the film was). The trailers for the first three James Bond films—Dr. No, From Russia With Love and Goldfinger—did not include copyright notices (which can easily be checked on Youtube if you don't own the DVDs which inlcude the theatrical trailer) and was a requirement of the copyright process prior to 1989, so they are in the public domain. This was actually quite a common occurrence on older films, and non-copyrighted trailers are a regular source of images on the film articles. The deletion proposer clearly hasn't appreciated the requirements of the copyright licence, and how this relates to the Dr No trailer which the screencap was taken from. Betty Logan (talk) 01:24, 19 December 2011 (UTC)
- Keep As per above: the copyright for US trailers is different from the copyright of other uses: a fact not taken into account with the proposed deletion. - Schrodinger's cat is alive (talk) 18:10, 20 December 2011 (UTC)
- Keep, so long as this particular frame was taken from the Dr. No movie trailer, then {{PD-US-no notice}} applies. — Huntster (t @ c) 01:05, 22 December 2011 (UTC)
Kept. MBisanz talk 15:22, 16 February 2012 (UTC)
Deleted Source material is british work so US law excemption does not apply. Trailer may be Pd i the US but not in country of origin. --Denniss (talk) 14:16, 7 October 2012 (UTC)
Claimed as PD, but almost certainly a screenshot from a copyrighted work. Sfan00 IMG (talk) 13:46, 18 December 2011 (UTC)
- Keep As the copyright notice clearly states, this is a screencap from the US trailer, which is categorically not a copyrighted work. Trailers were also required to include a copyright notice prior to 1978 to register the copyright of the material contained within so it wouldn't fall into the public domain (since they were publicly exhibited before the film was). The trailers for the first three James Bond films—Dr. No, From Russia With Love and Goldfinger—did not include copyright notices (which can easily be checked on Youtube if you don't own the DVDs which inlcude the theatrical trailer) and was a requirement of the copyright process prior to 1989, so they are in the public domain. This was actually quite a common occurrence on older films, and non-copyrighted trailers are a regular source of images on the film articles. The deletion proposer clearly hasn't appreciated the requirements of the copyright licence, and how this relates to the Dr No trailer which the screencap was taken from. Betty Logan (talk) 02:06, 19 December 2011 (UTC)
- Keep F1fans (talk) 11:01, 25 December 2011 (UTC)
- Keep The copyright notice clearly states that the image is what it is: a screenshot. It isn't noticeable for someone who is just here to download an image quickly, not taking heed of copyright notices; but it is there, and therefore the argument against this image is not valid in the slightest. --Danners430 (talk) 20:28, 8 January 2012 (UTC)
- Keep The screenshot is definitely not from the copyrighted film — while the films themselves may be copyrighted, according to US intellectual property laws, the trailers are not. Trailers for films created prior to 1976 are in the public domain and do not require permission from the copyright holders. --Seth Allen (discussion/contributions) 14:13, 4 February 2012 (UTC)
Invalid PD claim: This is a British film, not an American one. Stefan4 (talk) 14:44, 4 February 2014 (UTC)
Deleted The film was, indeed, a British film. It was released in London seven months before its release in North America. It therefore has a UK copyright which predates the American release. Unless it can be shown that this frame does not appear in the film as released in Britain, this image has a UK copyright. While it may be PD in the USA, it is not PD in Britain and since Britain is the source country, it must be free there in order for us to keep it on Commons. . Jim . . . . (Jameslwoodward) (talk to me) 11:31, 12 February 2014 (UTC)
Text says "This picture is a gift to me.Billy Hathorn (talk) 16:18, 3 July 2008 (UTC)". No proof of permission. Uploader is no longer active. I moved the file to Commons by a mistake. MGA73 (talk) 15:08, 18 December 2011 (UTC)
- Delete in the absence of clear proof of permission. This uploader has repeatedly demonstrated a lack of understanding of copyright ownership in his edits to English Wikipedia. cmadler (talk) 13:58, 13 January 2012 (UTC)
Deleted. MBisanz talk 15:22, 16 February 2012 (UTC)
Text says "This picture is a gift to me.Billy Hathorn (talk) 23:13, 3 July 2008 (UTC)". No proof of permission. Uploader is no longer active. I moved the file to Commons by a mistake. MGA73 (talk) 15:27, 18 December 2011 (UTC)
- Delete in the absence of clear proof of permission. This uploader has repeatedly demonstrated a lack of understanding of copyright ownership in his edits to English Wikipedia. cmadler (talk) 13:58, 13 January 2012 (UTC)
Deleted. MBisanz talk 15:22, 16 February 2012 (UTC)
"This picture is a gift to me.Billy Hathorn (talk) 16:11, 3 July 2008 (UTC)". No proof of permission. Uploader is no longer active. MGA73 (talk) 15:34, 18 December 2011 (UTC)
- Delete in the absence of clear proof of permission. This uploader has repeatedly demonstrated a lack of understanding of copyright ownership in his edits to English Wikipedia. cmadler (talk) 13:51, 13 January 2012 (UTC)
Deleted. MBisanz talk 15:22, 16 February 2012 (UTC)
"This photo is a gift to me.Billy Hathorn (talk) 23:08, 3 July 2008 (UTC)" No proof of permission. Uploader is no longer active. MGA73 (talk) 15:41, 18 December 2011 (UTC)
- Delete in the absence of clear proof of permission. This uploader has repeatedly demonstrated a lack of understanding of copyright ownership in his edits to English Wikipedia. cmadler (talk) 13:50, 13 January 2012 (UTC)
Deleted. MBisanz talk 15:22, 16 February 2012 (UTC)
"Photo is gift to me.Billy Hathorn (talk) 01:52, 4 July 2008 (UTC)" No proof of permission. Uploader is no longer active. MGA73 (talk) 15:46, 18 December 2011 (UTC)
- Delete in the absence of clear proof of permission. This uploader has repeatedly demonstrated a lack of understanding of copyright ownership in his edits to English Wikipedia. cmadler (talk) 13:58, 13 January 2012 (UTC)
Deleted. MBisanz talk 15:22, 16 February 2012 (UTC)
Personal picture, out of project scope. The photo was taken at a meeting at which the person depicted (Marina Weisband) did not participate in the first place as a politician, but rather as a private person. As the main author of the article de:Marina Weisband in the German Wikipedia, I was informed by Marina Weisband by e-mail that she, with the publication of this image does not agree. Jocian (talk) 16:02, 18 December 2011 (UTC)
- Keep - public meeting, even tv was present; rather dubious when politicians try to suppress information. /Pieter Kuiper (talk) 21:34, 19 December 2011 (UTC)
- Delete - As Jocian and on the other hand poor quality. There are enough useful pictures with her on commons, this one ist not presentable. --Stepro (talk) 23:53, 19 December 2011 (UTC)
- Photographic quality is clearly above average on Commons. /Pieter Kuiper (talk) 00:10, 20 December 2011 (UTC)
- es war bei einer öffentlichen podiumsdiskussion mit u.a. dem bürgermeister von reykjavík, Jon Gnarr [7] + dem philosophen Richard David Precht [8], die beide offensichtlich viel weniger probleme mit den fotos haben, die ich während der veranstaltung von ihnen gemacht habe! anscheinend ist es bei fotos von (emanzipierten?) jungen damen ein selbstbewustseinsproblem, damit locker umzugehen, wenn sie zuvor nicht vom stylisten aufgebrezelt wurden? dontworry (talk) 18:00, 23 December 2011 (UTC)
- Ob Jon Gnarr und Davi Precht sich an solchen „Schnappschussfotos“ von mäßiger Qualität „erfreuen“, darf wohl eher bezweifelt werden – spielt aber für diese Löschdiskusion keinerlei Rolle. Und PA-lastige und polemische Bemerkungen und Unterstellungen („Selbstbewusstseinsproblem“, „aufgebrezelt wurden“ ??) sind hier ebenfalls mehr als entbehrlich. --Jocian (talk) 17:52, 28 December 2011 (UTC)
Keep - public meeting with Jon Gnarr, Richard David Precht, Marina Weisband et al. and television -- Dievo (talk) 23:30, 23 December 2011 (UTC)
- Keep - public meeting --188.174.84.193 09:55, 25 December 2011 (UTC)
- „Public meeting“ does not matter. The image is a „snapshot picture“ of poor quality, the person being photographed is hardly recognizable. There are enough better pictures of her on Commons, this one has no sufficient information content. --Jocian (talk) 18:43, 28 December 2011 (UTC)
- no good reason for a deletion - as far as I see the argument "there are enough better images" is nearly never used here. The new politicians from the Pirate Party have to learn that nearly every image of them can be published because they are "public persons" ("Person der Zeitgeschichte") - even nose-picking football-trainers are sometimes shown in TV. And: the potential damage of this DR for the image of the Party and for the image of Weisband is bigger (one of there strongest values is transparency and openness, as far as I see), than the potential damage from this image. --Cholo Aleman (talk) 21:53, 28 December 2011 (UTC)
- @ Cholo Aleman: Can it be that you're a little off the subject? --Jocian (talk) 17:11, 2 January 2012 (UTC)
- @jocian: no thats exactly the point. --Cholo Aleman (talk) 15:38, 8 January 2012 (UTC)
- @ Cholo Aleman: Can it be that you're a little off the subject? --Jocian (talk) 17:11, 2 January 2012 (UTC)
- no good reason for a deletion - as far as I see the argument "there are enough better images" is nearly never used here. The new politicians from the Pirate Party have to learn that nearly every image of them can be published because they are "public persons" ("Person der Zeitgeschichte") - even nose-picking football-trainers are sometimes shown in TV. And: the potential damage of this DR for the image of the Party and for the image of Weisband is bigger (one of there strongest values is transparency and openness, as far as I see), than the potential damage from this image. --Cholo Aleman (talk) 21:53, 28 December 2011 (UTC)
Info I've informed the pictured person (User:MarinaWeisband) about this deletion request today, see [9] --:bdk: 21:46, 1 January 2012 (UTC)
- Keep Person öffentlichen Interesses anscheinend bei einer öffentlichen Veranstaltung aufgenommen. Grottige Fotos sagen mehr über den Fotografen aus als über das Motiv :-) -- smial (talk) 18:35, 2 January 2012 (UTC)
- Keep an awful photo which can be used as a deterrent example how not to portray people --Sungrazer (talk) 20:03, 5 January 2012 (UTC)
- Keep Don't see any reason why the picture should be deleted. It's about a public person in a public meeting. -- Blackcat (talk) 22:44, 6 January 2012 (UTC)
- Keep - Public person in a public meeting, where even tv was present. (per Pieter Kuiper). Tm (talk) 03:54, 20 January 2012 (UTC)
I'm concerned that the person who uploaded this image has done so purely to show his penis to the world. A quick Google search of his username brings up several pages which specialise in "weenie wobbling for the ladies". Given that the image was almost certainly uploaded in bad faith, and that it cannot be realistically useful for an educational purpose, I am of the opinion that this should be deleted. See also OTRS ticket #2011102510004811. Chase me ladies, I'm the Cavalry (talk) 02:58, 30 October 2011 (UTC)
- Comment - see also www.rulesoftheinternet.com/index.php?title=Main_Page, which appears to redirect to the image. Chase me ladies, I'm the Cavalry (talk) 03:04, 30 October 2011 (UTC)
- Support per Chase me. This is gaming of the system, with no valid educational purpose. Philippe (WMF) (talk) 03:43, 30 October 2011 (UTC)
Leaning towards Keep as i can see it being used to illustrate lack of erection, etc. Beta M (talk) 14:43, 30 October 2011 (UTC)
- Make my vote a definite. After thinking about it, with all the deletions, we need as many examples of genetalia that can remain, to allow the choice for educational use. Beta M (talk) 17:45, 16 November 2011 (UTC)
- Delete not realistically educationally useful and I understand there are a number of sites out there that would better cater for such uploads.Geni (talk) 17:42, 30 October 2011 (UTC)
- Could someone summarize OTRS ticket #2011102510004811 for those who can't see it? --Kramer Associates (talk) 19:51, 30 October 2011 (UTC)
- It's a complaint from a schoolteacher who has had 15 students sent to this image by a misleading link external to Wikipedia. It's his second complaint in as many weeks - the first was about File:Sodomie.jpg, which was kept. Chase me ladies, I'm the Cavalry (talk) 08:26, 31 October 2011 (UTC)
- Delete no reasonable likelihood of usefulness for any purpose. Although we might be able to imagine a purpose, that is not enough for something uploaded in apparent bad faith and I expect there are much better images of the speculative use available, in the event nothing in Category:Flaccid human penis or any related category will suffice.--User:Doug(talk • contribs) 21:29, 30 October 2011 (UTC)
This is actually a high speed capture of the gravity effects of a penis being dropped onto a hard surface, nothing more. Produce another such photo that shows the structures make up as to texture compression resillience. You can see how all the parts respond together in a semi-erctile state to rebound, several times, before resting. don't be jelly because you didn't create it.— Preceding unsigned comment added by Repromodel (talk • contribs) 01:20, 31 October 2011 (UTC)
- While the bio-mechanics of the whole thing are certainly interesting, I'm not sure it has any educational use, not to mention that there is something vaguely silly about a bouncing penis. --Kramer Associates (talk) 03:09, 31 October 2011 (UTC)
Thanks and I thought so also. Humor is there (vaguely silly) but that is open to the observer. OTRS ticket #2011102510004811 refers to an act of sodomy involving a vegetable. This is a flaccid penis. I can't see the comparison.
- Why did you choose a photograph of a penis as your first upload? Given that you (or someone with your username) appears to have done the same thing here, here, here, here and (since removed but available through caching) here... I could go on, but I think there are enough photographs of this penis linked to on the internet already. It seems to be all you upload: pictures of the same penis, again and again, wobbling. While it's no doubt fascinating, I think it's clear that the reason you've uploaded this photo is not educational nor in the spirit of the project. Chase me ladies, I'm the Cavalry (talk) 22:45, 31 October 2011 (UTC)
- I appreciate your insite as to the "spirit" of the project. the links you posted, as examples, above, bypass "passwords and usernames" safeguards to prevent underage viewing. Thank you
- Considering that there are no username/password safeguards on any of those sites (how else would I find them?), I'm not sure what your point is. Why did you choose a photograph of a penis as your first upload? Chase me ladies, I'm the Cavalry (talk) 13:05, 1 November 2011 (UTC)
- I appreciate your insite as to the "spirit" of the project. the links you posted, as examples, above, bypass "passwords and usernames" safeguards to prevent underage viewing. Thank you
If you try to access mature material on ebaumsworld, you can't, at least i cant, without signing up. Because i found it interesting, stimulating and funny. Like parts of wiki. I won't bother you again. Good day.
- Keep I don't like it and it is showing a human is no reason for deletion. And because WMF pops up here... Phillipe, please could you use your personal account for community actions.
Question@Chase me ladies, I'm the Cavalry: Why did you choose a photograph of a model train as your first upload? ... I hate trains. They are often not on time! And this train is even not real. Couldn't you had uploaded a video of something real like a penis? --Saibo (Δ) 23:09, 9 November 2011 (UTC)
- You hate images? You are aware that Chase me ladies, I'm the Cavalry is an english wikipedia oversiter and thus burned out on having any emotional reaction to images a long time ago?Geni (talk) 02:25, 14 November 2011 (UTC)
- No, I am not aware that some cavalry is over site, sorry. Next time call the fire fighters before something burns out? Cheers --Saibo (Δ) 03:39, 14 November 2011 (UTC)
Keep. Keep It's a body part and gravity in slow motion. Showing the effects, compression upon impact, dispursion of the shock wave traveling back towards the groin. - Keep— Preceding unsigned comment added by Repromodel (talk • contribs) 2011-11-16T02:29:17 (UTC)
It's a perfectly good picture of a slow-mo bouncing todger, I vote keep 87.112.138.238
Delete I don't think it can really be used for anything. It's not educational and could possibly be classified as pornography. --Tech12 (talk) 02:18, 18 November 2011 (UTC)
- Delete - No potential educational use. --Xijky (talk) 23:57, 18 November 2011 (UTC)
I would like to close this, but I think there's maybe more life in the discussion yet. However, I would like to request the following be taken into consideration:
- The motives of the uploader are irrelevant if the image is suitably licenced and vaguely educational.
- That someone was offended is equally irrelevant, Commons is not censored.
- What the nominator does on other projects is also irrelevant unless there is a clear case that the nomination was in bad faith, which there isn't.
So, can we please get back to discussing the file, and not the circumstances of the uploader, complainer or nominator. -mattbuck (Talk) 14:23, 19 November 2011 (UTC)
This file must be kept. An image is worth 1000 words. www.rulesoftheinternet.com leads here. There are no rules on the Internet. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.81.199.127 (talk • contribs) 20:57, 19 November 2011 (UTC)
- Keep. Keep nice GIF! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.194.157.204 (talk • contribs) 15:52, 28 November 2011 (UTC)
Kept: As per my previous comment, the intentions of the uploader are irrelevant as long as the image is freely licenced and educational. Further, that someone is offended is irrelevant, they should read the site disclaimer. The nomination is not in bad faith, so that's irrelevant. I don't see any particular reason to delete. -mattbuck (Talk) 17:17, 28 November 2011 (UTC)
While I am aware that Commons:Deletion_requests/File:Slow-motion-bouncing-penis.gif#File:Slow-motion-bouncing-penis.gif happened, this image is not used on any project and has no educational value whatsoever. It appears that it is being used on other websites that are not Wikimedia projects. This most certainly violates COM:NOT#Commons is not your personal free web host. The previous debate also was leaning to deleting it, as well.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 06:14, 18 December 2011 (UTC)
- Delete - No educational value, I mean who searches on Wikipedia what a penis bouncing in slow motion looks like anyways? Also, as per the previous nomination (which personally should have been closed delete but it is obvious the closing admin let their personal beliefs get in the way). Tiptoety talk 06:21, 18 December 2011 (UTC)
- If you have a problem with my DR closures, tell me on my talk page, don't put innuendo in renominations. I stand by my closure - I weighed the arguments, and, as I noted above, looked at them thusly:
- Someone was offended - simply not an issue, we have offensive stuff, read the disclaimer.
- Upload as vandalism - not relevant if considered vaguely educational and properly licensed.
- Nominator's work on other projects - not relevant unless the nomination was in bad faith, which it wasn't.
- "A number of sites out there which would better cater to such uploads", aka, "go look at a real porn site" - irrelevant.
- "Something vaguely silly about a bouncing penis" - irrelevant.
- "Why is your first upload a penis?" - why is anyone's first upload anything? Mine was probably a train or something, it's simply not relevant if the image has educational value.
- "Could be classified as pornography" - not relevant if it's educational pornography.
- Lacks educational value - this is the crux of the matter, and frankly it's a matter of opinion because this case is admittedly borderline, and, I make no bones about this, in a borderline situation I think it's better to keep than to delete. I felt that there was possible educational value in it, though it would be better if we had a whole string of these at different levels of flaccidness to demonstrate how the reaction changes. It's rather hard to demonstrate the physical properties of things by a single picture - you can't exactly reach through the screen and touch it. Video allows us to see how things react, thus allowing people to get an idea of their properties without having to be there in person. Human sexuality and sexual anatomy is a very poorly understood subject throughout most people of the world, and the more media we can provide to help alleviate that, the better off we all will be. In summary, Keep. -mattbuck (Talk) 07:19, 18 December 2011 (UTC)
- If you have a problem with my DR closures, tell me on my talk page, don't put innuendo in renominations. I stand by my closure - I weighed the arguments, and, as I noted above, looked at them thusly:
- Comment: I am personally requesting that User:mattbuck recuse himself from this debate, and the other debates I started on similar files, as he has closed every single one of them and none of those closures are in any way appropriate, in my opinion.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 06:54, 18 December 2011 (UTC)
- I won't close it, but you will not stop me participating in the debate. -mattbuck (Talk) 07:19, 18 December 2011 (UTC)
- Speedy keep - this is fillibustering; constantly keeping sexual images in the state of deletion requests. No facts about the image have changed, nothing new came to light. Saying "I still don't believe that it's useful" isn't a reason to nominate again within a month of closure. Commons is not your personal webpage, your opinion has been noted and the consensus was reached. Grow up! VolodyA! V Anarhist (converse) 11:07, 18 December 2011 (UTC)
- A consensus was reached but it was in no way indicative of the opinions of the editors. The debate was closed because the image is freely licensed and that is the only reason why anyone on the commons is defending it.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 20:58, 18 December 2011 (UTC)
- Delete - Commons is not for exercising voyeuristic or exhibitionistic urges. --Stebbiv (talk) 11:08, 18 December 2011 (UTC)
- Yes Commons is for sharing media which is freely licenced and useful to those who need it for educational purposes. Which this image (animated one at that) is. VolodyA! V Anarhist (converse) 11:10, 18 December 2011 (UTC)
- This has no educational purpose. It's a guy dropping his semi-tumescent penis onto a table which is being used offwiki on shocksites. The majority in the previous deletion debate saw fit that it has no purpose. The mere fact that it is free to use should not be what determines whether or not it should kept. We should look at the utility of the file, which in this case was before I edited it a 150-frame animation of a penis falling, with 100 of the frames focusing on the penis. The uploader is an exhibitionist who is abusing copyleft to keep the gif (a low quality file format in itself) here.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 12:37, 18 December 2011 (UTC)
- Any image may be used to shock, the only time such logic is acceptable in a deletion request is when the upload itself was for shock only. This image is properly titled and it displays exactly what it says. As for the choice of the word "abuse" to refer to distributing freely to everybody for whatever reason on Commons... that is what free licences are designed to do, so it's anything but abuse. VolodyA! V Anarhist (converse) 13:38, 18 December 2011 (UTC)
- I just scrolled up and looked at the previous debate. 4 keep votes, 4 delete votes. Apparently now we have started claiming that this is "[t]he majority in the previous deletion debate saw fit that it has no purpose", soon i will be told that i have actually voted delete as well. VolodyA! V Anarhist (converse) 13:41, 18 December 2011 (UTC)
- There were only two valid keep votes (one being from the creator and one from a random IP). This animation, File:Sodomie.jpg, File:Anal 2.jpg, File:Anal 3.jpg, File:Anal2.jpg, and File:Anal3.jpg are no way within the scope of this project, particulalry when you have a policy against such content.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 05:32, 19 December 2011 (UTC)
- The Anal* images specifically pass that policy - If the quality is bad, we may keep the file if we have no better file on a subject it can illustrate. As for Sodomie, that's not low quality so the policy doesn't apply either. Now please stop bringing other DRs into this one. -mattbuck (Talk) 06:43, 19 December 2011 (UTC)
- We have photos of women using using dildos anally. Does the fact that Xiri has a scrotum make it a better illustrative purpose?—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 08:22, 19 December 2011 (UTC)
- If you're doing something on male masturbation, yes. -mattbuck (Talk) 09:03, 19 December 2011 (UTC)
- We have photos of women using using dildos anally. Does the fact that Xiri has a scrotum make it a better illustrative purpose?—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 08:22, 19 December 2011 (UTC)
- The Anal* images specifically pass that policy - If the quality is bad, we may keep the file if we have no better file on a subject it can illustrate. As for Sodomie, that's not low quality so the policy doesn't apply either. Now please stop bringing other DRs into this one. -mattbuck (Talk) 06:43, 19 December 2011 (UTC)
- There were only two valid keep votes (one being from the creator and one from a random IP). This animation, File:Sodomie.jpg, File:Anal 2.jpg, File:Anal 3.jpg, File:Anal2.jpg, and File:Anal3.jpg are no way within the scope of this project, particulalry when you have a policy against such content.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 05:32, 19 December 2011 (UTC)
- This has no educational purpose. It's a guy dropping his semi-tumescent penis onto a table which is being used offwiki on shocksites. The majority in the previous deletion debate saw fit that it has no purpose. The mere fact that it is free to use should not be what determines whether or not it should kept. We should look at the utility of the file, which in this case was before I edited it a 150-frame animation of a penis falling, with 100 of the frames focusing on the penis. The uploader is an exhibitionist who is abusing copyleft to keep the gif (a low quality file format in itself) here.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 12:37, 18 December 2011 (UTC)
- Yes Commons is for sharing media which is freely licenced and useful to those who need it for educational purposes. Which this image (animated one at that) is. VolodyA! V Anarhist (converse) 11:10, 18 December 2011 (UTC)
- Delete Guys, are we keeping now every single home-made crap? What exactly should be shown in this video? If u want to look for "falling dicks", go to youporn. Commons is too good for that. --Yikrazuul (talk) 18:10, 18 December 2011 (UTC)
- No comment - censorship raid. "You may wish to restate your arguments as to why the Commons should no longer host these exhibitionist photographs." Ryulong. If somebody wants to delete it: have good arguments. --Saibo (Δ) 19:19, 18 December 2011 (UTC)
- This is not a censorship raid. This is a low quality photo that has no possible educational use. And I am merely notifying a user who has had opinions on these photos that I have relisted them for deletion, when he originally proposed them. There is nothing wrong about that.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 21:01, 18 December 2011 (UTC)
- Keep. Keep Naturally I would vote *Keep. Keep and kudos to Ryūlóng for the editing job. I am a newb at editing and apologize for the lingering frames they were not left intentionally.— Preceding unsigned comment added by Repromodel (talk • contribs) 2011-12-19T01:28:43 (UTC)
- Comment Somebody (possibly the creator) has commented on the talk page. VolodyA! V Anarhist (converse) 03:55, 19 December 2011 (UTC)
- He commented on the talk page months ago in the original debate. And he seems to have decided to come back just as his penis is being proposed to be deleted from the project, again.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 05:30, 19 December 2011 (UTC)
- Probably because he has it set to alert him to talk page changes. Maybe he edits elsewhere... -mattbuck (Talk) 06:37, 19 December 2011 (UTC)
- I just checked en.wiki and he's not there.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 08:22, 19 December 2011 (UTC)
- Have you tried all 300-odd other projects? -mattbuck (Talk) 09:03, 19 December 2011 (UTC)
- Out of 707 projects, he's only here at the moment [10]. --Fæ (talk) 11:38, 19 December 2011 (UTC)
- I used en.wiki as the hallmark to see if he's really a contributor.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 20:29, 19 December 2011 (UTC)
- So your idea is that only people who edit en.wp are "real" contributors. Nice to know. -mattbuck (Talk) 21:27, 19 December 2011 (UTC)
- Wow. What an amazing jump from what I said. No. I'm going off of the fact that the English Wikipedia is the most edited of all of the projects, and that it would be more likely for him to be found there than say the Danish Wiktionary considering his use of the English language.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 03:51, 20 December 2011 (UTC)
- So your idea is that only people who edit en.wp are "real" contributors. Nice to know. -mattbuck (Talk) 21:27, 19 December 2011 (UTC)
- Have you tried all 300-odd other projects? -mattbuck (Talk) 09:03, 19 December 2011 (UTC)
- I just checked en.wiki and he's not there.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 08:22, 19 December 2011 (UTC)
- Probably because he has it set to alert him to talk page changes. Maybe he edits elsewhere... -mattbuck (Talk) 06:37, 19 December 2011 (UTC)
- He commented on the talk page months ago in the original debate. And he seems to have decided to come back just as his penis is being proposed to be deleted from the project, again.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 05:30, 19 December 2011 (UTC)
- Keep My opinion is that this short clip has educational value as it intuitively demonstrates the flexibility and mass of an erect human penis. Nobody has pointed to a image or video that does this at better technical quality and the clip does not appear unnecessarily graphically sexualized. Other arguments for potential deletion based on Commons:Nudity appear weak in this context. The argument that the uploader is an exhibitionist seems oddly weak as it is difficult to imagine a shy person uploading a similar image, or indeed any other image of their own body. Chaseme has provided above some links from external websites, though the ones I tested out today appear to no longer redirect to this image. I fully agree that when external websites may point to Commons in unexpected or abusive ways, this should be a concern and possibly a reason to delete (or rename) this image in the future, but a policy based rationale has yet to be put forward here in a form that I can understand (for example a rationale against the moral issues described in COM:IDENT) and that would not be undermined by judging the exact same rationale if a general image of an unidentifiable overweight person were being misused on an external website. If our policies are insufficient in this area, I would strongly encourage a Village Pump discussion based on firm case studies to help develop more effective policies against general misuse and mischief making. Having such good scrutiny to date, thankfully gives us confidence that there are no copyright issues for which the precautionary principle might apply. In general I find the argument that we have enough penises already highly dubious; I believe if we compare with Trafalgar Square, we can find more images of the unique Nelson's Column compared to all images of the human penis for which we may estimate that around 5 billion times many more exist on the planet. Any andrologist will explain that there are many variations and conditions that our small collection of this part of the human anatomy has yet to fairly represent for potential future educational purposes. --Fæ (talk) 12:16, 19 December 2011 (UTC)
- Well, Category:Human penis seems fairly full of photos, what with everyone who isn't ashamed of taking a photo having done so. Regardless of the fact that Repromodel is an exhibitionist who uploads videos of himself taking his semi-erect penis and flopping it about because that's what gets him off, there does not seem to be any dire need of his services to the Wikimedia projects. No scientific article (to the best of my knowledge) has discussed the biomechanics of the human penis coming in contact a flat surface (and I know of crazy scientific articles, such as one that discusses why one testicle hangs lower than the other and the classical Greek sculptors made the wrong testicle hang lower thanks to w:QI). So we should just take this at face value as being a low quality GIF that shows a penis doing something that the Commons and its sister projects really have no use of displaying.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 20:44, 19 December 2011 (UTC)
- Keep your comments on the images, not the contributors. Personal attacks are not tolerated on Commons. -mattbuck (Talk) 21:21, 19 December 2011 (UTC)
- I am only going off of what was stated in the previous deletion debate as stated by The Cavalry. And saying someone's an exhibitionist is not really a personal attack, anyway.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 03:51, 20 December 2011 (UTC)
- Keep your comments on the images, not the contributors. Personal attacks are not tolerated on Commons. -mattbuck (Talk) 21:21, 19 December 2011 (UTC)
- Well, Category:Human penis seems fairly full of photos, what with everyone who isn't ashamed of taking a photo having done so. Regardless of the fact that Repromodel is an exhibitionist who uploads videos of himself taking his semi-erect penis and flopping it about because that's what gets him off, there does not seem to be any dire need of his services to the Wikimedia projects. No scientific article (to the best of my knowledge) has discussed the biomechanics of the human penis coming in contact a flat surface (and I know of crazy scientific articles, such as one that discusses why one testicle hangs lower than the other and the classical Greek sculptors made the wrong testicle hang lower thanks to w:QI). So we should just take this at face value as being a low quality GIF that shows a penis doing something that the Commons and its sister projects really have no use of displaying.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 20:44, 19 December 2011 (UTC)
- Delete Just look at the huge stretch Fæ had to come up with to rationalize how this image is useful. Prodego talk 04:07, 20 December 2011 (UTC)
- Is your opinion based on any policy? --Fæ (talk) 08:56, 20 December 2011 (UTC)
- Delete Image is out of the Commons project scope. There is no realistic educational value in keeping this image. Alpha_Quadrant (talk) 04:08, 20 December 2011 (UTC)
- Educational use was already demonstrated. VolodyA! V Anarhist (converse) 04:15, 20 December 2011 (UTC)
- Yes, how do you respond to the arguments presented by those who have stated the images are educational? -mattbuck (Talk) 12:05, 20 December 2011 (UTC)
- This image will not be used on any other Wikimedia project. There have been no arguments as to how it will be of any use anywhere. All of the keep arguments say is that "it's educational". How? What project would we reasonably use this image on? Alpha_Quadrant (talk) 16:31, 20 December 2011 (UTC)
- Educational is not the same as "a Wikimedia project will use it". -mattbuck (Talk) 16:56, 20 December 2011 (UTC)
- See Commons:SCOPE#File not legitimately in use. Alpha_Quadrant (talk) 17:26, 20 December 2011 (UTC)
- I don't see what you're getting at, that states that it may be suitable for "some other educational use", which is exactly what I'm saying. -mattbuck (Talk) 17:46, 20 December 2011 (UTC)
- The thing is, it isn't used on any educational purpose. The scope of Commons is not to provide an image of every object imaginable doing every imaginable thing. The file needs to have actual reasonable educational value. We don't keep every picture of non-notable people, yet every person is different. If our goal really was to document everything imaginable, then why delete these images? The same goes with fingers, every finger is different in some way. Fingerprints are so different it would require millions to accurately create a sample. Yet I do not see thousands of fingers images on commons. And don't get me started on the eyes. There is a near infinite number of possible combinations and differences. That is why we have a project scope. So, how will this image provide any reasonable educational value. Or for that matter, how it at all realistically useful for any of the Wikimedia projects. Alpha_Quadrant (talk) 18:57, 20 December 2011 (UTC)
- I don't see what you're getting at, that states that it may be suitable for "some other educational use", which is exactly what I'm saying. -mattbuck (Talk) 17:46, 20 December 2011 (UTC)
- This image will not be used on any other Wikimedia project. There have been no arguments as to how it will be of any use anywhere. All of the keep arguments say is that "it's educational". How? What project would we reasonably use this image on? Alpha_Quadrant (talk) 16:31, 20 December 2011 (UTC)
- Delete previous deletion was against consensus and policy, and reflect an admin's personal decision and not what is best for any WMF project or abides by any of our policies. This is clearly out of scope and problematic for many reasons which the opposers will never recognize for whatever reason but they are a clear minority. Ottava Rima (talk) 02:31, 21 December 2011 (UTC)
- You appear to be saying that anyone who has a view that opposes yours in this discussion has a motivation not based on policy, is that a fair interpretation of your statement? --Fæ (talk) 08:50, 21 December 2011 (UTC)
- No. I am clearly saying that the oppose rationales above are baseless. They make claims about policy which are just not true. Ottava Rima (talk) 10:54, 21 December 2011 (UTC)
- That is quite a broad statement dismissing all possible opposing viewpoints. Could you explain in what way all my own claims about policy are not true? --Fæ (talk) 11:32, 21 December 2011 (UTC)
- Sorry, but your are starting to be disruptive. The keeps were not based on policy. That is not broad. It is just that simple. You don't like it. That doesn't give you a right to behave in that manner. If you want them to have legitimate keep rationales, inform them about how Commons operates and what kind of images we have here. Ottava Rima (talk) 16:45, 21 December 2011 (UTC)
- Amazing, you claim that all opposes on this page are falsely representing Commons policy, I ask for clarification for how this applies to my stated opinion and you immediately accuse me of disruption and behaving badly. If you have evidence I am being disruptive, please report me properly rather than making accusations in a DR. Thanks --Fæ (talk) 17:42, 21 December 2011 (UTC)
- "you claim that all opposes... are falsely representing commons policy"? Now you are just making things up, which is a blockable offense. I stated that the opposers "will never recognize for whatever reason but they are a clear minority". It is obvious that you are willing to directly misstate what others say to push your own view, and if you keep it up I will report you for that behavior. It isn't acceptable. Ottava Rima (talk) 17:56, 21 December 2011 (UTC)
- "They make claims about policy which are just not true" seemed quite clear enough to me, I did nothing more than state your words back to you. Perhaps you would like to withdraw your statement as it was a mistake? --Fæ (talk) 18:03, 21 December 2011 (UTC)
- No. That is not my original comment. You were directly misstating what I said from the beginning, and continued to make me defend things I didn't say. Such things are smears and libel and are prohibited here. You really need to stop. Ottava Rima (talk) 18:41, 21 December 2011 (UTC)
- Libel? Write to legal
wikimedia.org rather than making such claims here. --Fæ (talk) 11:03, 22 December 2011 (UTC)
- Why write to them when a simple block would normally be handed down for you refusing to stop? Ottava Rima (talk) 12:36, 22 December 2011 (UTC)
- You have above made claim of libel which is a consequently legal threat, you cannot pursue a legal action in a deletion discussion or anywhere else on Commons. --Fæ (talk) 13:02, 22 December 2011 (UTC)
- Libel is a term, not a legal threat. It means to publish material you know isn't true. It is also prohibited in policy. Stop making up claims. Ottava Rima (talk) 14:12, 22 December 2011 (UTC)
- You have above made claim of libel which is a consequently legal threat, you cannot pursue a legal action in a deletion discussion or anywhere else on Commons. --Fæ (talk) 13:02, 22 December 2011 (UTC)
- Why write to them when a simple block would normally be handed down for you refusing to stop? Ottava Rima (talk) 12:36, 22 December 2011 (UTC)
- Libel? Write to legal
- No. That is not my original comment. You were directly misstating what I said from the beginning, and continued to make me defend things I didn't say. Such things are smears and libel and are prohibited here. You really need to stop. Ottava Rima (talk) 18:41, 21 December 2011 (UTC)
- "They make claims about policy which are just not true" seemed quite clear enough to me, I did nothing more than state your words back to you. Perhaps you would like to withdraw your statement as it was a mistake? --Fæ (talk) 18:03, 21 December 2011 (UTC)
- "you claim that all opposes... are falsely representing commons policy"? Now you are just making things up, which is a blockable offense. I stated that the opposers "will never recognize for whatever reason but they are a clear minority". It is obvious that you are willing to directly misstate what others say to push your own view, and if you keep it up I will report you for that behavior. It isn't acceptable. Ottava Rima (talk) 17:56, 21 December 2011 (UTC)
- Amazing, you claim that all opposes on this page are falsely representing Commons policy, I ask for clarification for how this applies to my stated opinion and you immediately accuse me of disruption and behaving badly. If you have evidence I am being disruptive, please report me properly rather than making accusations in a DR. Thanks --Fæ (talk) 17:42, 21 December 2011 (UTC)
- Sorry, but your are starting to be disruptive. The keeps were not based on policy. That is not broad. It is just that simple. You don't like it. That doesn't give you a right to behave in that manner. If you want them to have legitimate keep rationales, inform them about how Commons operates and what kind of images we have here. Ottava Rima (talk) 16:45, 21 December 2011 (UTC)
- That is quite a broad statement dismissing all possible opposing viewpoints. Could you explain in what way all my own claims about policy are not true? --Fæ (talk) 11:32, 21 December 2011 (UTC)
- No. I am clearly saying that the oppose rationales above are baseless. They make claims about policy which are just not true. Ottava Rima (talk) 10:54, 21 December 2011 (UTC)
- You appear to be saying that anyone who has a view that opposes yours in this discussion has a motivation not based on policy, is that a fair interpretation of your statement? --Fæ (talk) 08:50, 21 December 2011 (UTC)
- Question Fæ, you write: "we can find more images of the unique Nelson's Column compared to all images of the human penis for which we may estimate that around 5 billion times many more exist on the planet." Does it mean that you're suggesting that Commons should host as many images of penises, and naked butts including the ones decorated with chains for that matter, as it gets? After all there are "around 5 billion times many more exist on the planet" than a boring and a very unique Nelson's Column. BTW did you mention this idea in your presentation to the Parliament? This sure would have helped Wikipedia UK to get a status of a charitable organization :-)--Mbz1 (talk) 19:38, 22 December 2011 (UTC)
- That really is quite irrelevant, please keep your mind on the task at hand. -mattbuck (Talk) 19:05, 24 December 2011 (UTC)
- What "really is quite irrelevant" how many unique penises are there in the world or how many even more unique butts are there :-) BTW, muttbuck, while we are talking about penises I'd like to ask you please as an experienced admin:A policy states:Commons:What Commons is not#Commons is not an amateur porn site. Does it mean there is no problem with porn images as long as they are professional? --Mbz1 (talk) 02:51, 25 December 2011 (UTC)
- I meant the Parliament bit. -mattbuck (Talk) 03:06, 25 December 2011 (UTC)
- Ah, I see the number of unique penises and unique butts are relative, only "the Parliament bit" is not :-) Thanks.--Mbz1 (talk) 03:20, 25 December 2011 (UTC)
- I meant the Parliament bit. -mattbuck (Talk) 03:06, 25 December 2011 (UTC)
- What "really is quite irrelevant" how many unique penises are there in the world or how many even more unique butts are there :-) BTW, muttbuck, while we are talking about penises I'd like to ask you please as an experienced admin:A policy states:Commons:What Commons is not#Commons is not an amateur porn site. Does it mean there is no problem with porn images as long as they are professional? --Mbz1 (talk) 02:51, 25 December 2011 (UTC)
- That really is quite irrelevant, please keep your mind on the task at hand. -mattbuck (Talk) 19:05, 24 December 2011 (UTC)
- Delete Not usefull at all. -- Gegensystem (talk) 18:34, 26 December 2011 (UTC)
- Please note that deletion requests are not votes. Potential use has already been demonstrated. VolodyA! V Anarhist (converse) 03:46, 27 December 2011 (UTC)
- Well people disagree with that and they need not explain how they feel that way. And there is no potential use because there is no educational value in displaying a penis being slammed against a table. There have been plenty of arguments that this falls entirely outside the scope of the project, but everyone is defending it because "there are no alternatives". There are no alternatives. Even if it is not a vote, the majority of the community disagrees with this file's utility for this project.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 05:47, 27 December 2011 (UTC)
- That is exactly why Commons is not a democracy, so that common sense, even when it's commonly set aside for sexually explicit and other imagery, can prevail. The motion of a partially erect penis can only be demonstrated with the motion. You cannot create a photo showing how it moves, you must create either a video or an animated picture (i would prefer a video, but that's just me). P.S. While it is true that "they need not explain how they feel that way", it is also true that admins need to ignore the "me too" votes. VolodyA! V Anarhist (converse) 10:18, 27 December 2011 (UTC)
- No project is a democracy, but when so many people are saying "This does not belong on the Commons", why does a minority of the group get to decide that it stays because they say so?—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 06:54, 30 December 2011 (UTC)
- Because it's an educational project, and the content is educational to some is already educational. It's like a black swan argument, let's say you are claiming that there are no black swans, and so do 1000 other people, then i come along and show you a black swan, that means that regardless of 1000 people saying that no swans are black they are still wrong. VolodyA! V Anarhist (converse) 07:42, 30 December 2011 (UTC)
- So you are saying that the minority gets to decide what happens even when they have no empirical evidence that this particular series of images in an animation has a legitimate educational use when the majority believe that this file is entirely out of the Wikimedia Commons' scope?—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 11:13, 31 December 2011 (UTC)
- Because it's an educational project, and the content is educational to some is already educational. It's like a black swan argument, let's say you are claiming that there are no black swans, and so do 1000 other people, then i come along and show you a black swan, that means that regardless of 1000 people saying that no swans are black they are still wrong. VolodyA! V Anarhist (converse) 07:42, 30 December 2011 (UTC)
- Well people disagree with that and they need not explain how they feel that way. And there is no potential use because there is no educational value in displaying a penis being slammed against a table. There have been plenty of arguments that this falls entirely outside the scope of the project, but everyone is defending it because "there are no alternatives". There are no alternatives. Even if it is not a vote, the majority of the community disagrees with this file's utility for this project.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 05:47, 27 December 2011 (UTC)
- Please note that deletion requests are not votes. Potential use has already been demonstrated. VolodyA! V Anarhist (converse) 03:46, 27 December 2011 (UTC)
- Delete - try as I might, it's too much of a stretch to call this 'educational', or even potentially so. I read Mattbuck's comments above and have to disagree with his rationale on borderline educational media given we've so many media files relating to the glory of the male organ here on Commons. And I'm totally not buying the rationale that one can infer various physical properties from an image of some dude slapping his cock off a table. In short; I'm not seeing an educational need for the image here. EDIT - also per ticket:2011102510004811 which I've just seen now - Alison ❤ 03:36, 28 December 2011 (UTC)
- Note: this ticket is just some random outsider complaining - see contents of the ticket on top of this page. --Saibo (Δ) 20:47, 28 December 2011 (UTC)
- Oh, it's "just some random outsider complaining" - well screw them, so; they don't matter. In fact, we should just ditch OTRS altogether, in that case >_> (actually, the OTRS ticket contains much more relevant information than just a complaint, and has been updated repeatedly since it was discussed above at the previous DR. I've linked to the ticket above so OTRS agents can decide accordingly - Alison ❤ 21:23, 28 December 2011 (UTC)
- I find the term "random outsider" really abhorrent, especially given that we're all supposed to be here to serve the public - right? We have a duty to the greater community (humanity), and not just to Commons - Alison ❤ 21:43, 28 December 2011 (UTC)
- Meeh, "random" (=no relation to this image) and "outsider" since it is someone from not in Commons. Why should the opinion (without any documented policy-based reasoning) count anything? I also mentioned this since tickets here in DRs often contain highly relevant information (e.g. messages from copyright holders). Oh, btw: this is a DR - not a general discussion. Please try to stay on topic. --Saibo (Δ) 23:05, 28 December 2011 (UTC)
- Everyone saw what you said, Saibo, regardless of your handwaving. It's clearly relevant to this discussion - Alison ❤ 02:15, 29 December 2011 (UTC)
- I am not sure what you mean, but let's just stop here. I have no interest in a discussion with you. --Saibo (Δ) 03:26, 29 December 2011 (UTC)
- Everyone saw what you said, Saibo, regardless of your handwaving. It's clearly relevant to this discussion - Alison ❤ 02:15, 29 December 2011 (UTC)
- Meeh, "random" (=no relation to this image) and "outsider" since it is someone from not in Commons. Why should the opinion (without any documented policy-based reasoning) count anything? I also mentioned this since tickets here in DRs often contain highly relevant information (e.g. messages from copyright holders). Oh, btw: this is a DR - not a general discussion. Please try to stay on topic. --Saibo (Δ) 23:05, 28 December 2011 (UTC)
- Can somebody who can see that ticket summarise its contents here. VolodyA! V Anarhist (converse) 05:47, 28 December 2011 (UTC)
- It appears to be an email form an (unconfirmed) educator who is stating that the file in question is continually being "brought to his/her attention" by students under the age of 16 and is requesting that such "trolling" and "childish vandalism" be removed from commons. (Please note that I did vote delete above, but attempted to summarize the information in the ticket in a neutral manner.) Tiptoety talk 06:16, 29 December 2011 (UTC)
- Without going into the details, Tip, message #4 from the OTRS agent (Nov 4th) mentions legal matters, and this gives me pause for concern. This was after the original description above - Alison ❤ 07:00, 29 December 2011 (UTC)
- Yeah, since I wasn't real clear on what legal matters said agent was referring to, I just didn't mention it at all. That said, it might not hurt to look into that and possibly contact the agent for additional details. Tiptoety talk 08:08, 29 December 2011 (UTC)
- Thanks for the summary. In that case this OTRS can safely be ignored. You can take any image and turn it into the tool of trolling, per policy we should only consider if the upload itself is an act of trolling/vandalism. VolodyA! V Anarhist (converse) 09:26, 29 December 2011 (UTC)
- Without going into the details, Tip, message #4 from the OTRS agent (Nov 4th) mentions legal matters, and this gives me pause for concern. This was after the original description above - Alison ❤ 07:00, 29 December 2011 (UTC)
- It appears to be an email form an (unconfirmed) educator who is stating that the file in question is continually being "brought to his/her attention" by students under the age of 16 and is requesting that such "trolling" and "childish vandalism" be removed from commons. (Please note that I did vote delete above, but attempted to summarize the information in the ticket in a neutral manner.) Tiptoety talk 06:16, 29 December 2011 (UTC)
- Note: this ticket is just some random outsider complaining - see contents of the ticket on top of this page. --Saibo (Δ) 20:47, 28 December 2011 (UTC)
- Delete – per Alison. --JN466 04:25, 28 December 2011 (UTC)
- Delete A falling dick, wow, how useful. --Yikrazuul (talk) 18:15, 4 January 2012 (UTC)
- Keep While I know that deletion requests aren't the US court of law, I believe the animated penis is a victim of w:double jeopardy, as all the arguments for deletion in this deletion request are the same as in the first one. In conclusion, since the first deletion request already failed, and as this request has no new arguments on the delete side, I think it's pointless to even keep this deletion request open. --nlitement [talk]] (talk) 19:59, 4 January 2012 (UTC)
- It doesn't matter if the image is out of scope and the closing administrator of the previous request decided it was despite a consensus against it.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 10:33, 5 January 2012 (UTC)
- Delete No educational use has been found for this and I can't think of any use that wouldn't be satisfied just as well by a water filled balloon. Therefore should not be in commons. For things like this I there there should be some reliable secondary source mentioning the effect for educational use to be supported. That's the sort of assurance one gets from an image being used in an article. If it isn't used in an article and no citation is given and it could lead to trouble with the law then there is absolutely no good reason to keep it. Dmcq (talk) 10:44, 1 February 2012 (UTC)
- Keep I see how this could be used in a sexual education class. Also, it's a body part in slow motion, showing the physics of the body part. You see, we can't predict what users might need in the future, so we keep a variety of images in the hopes that at least one will cover a user's needs. That's why we so many different images of Nelson's column in Category:Trafalgar_Square. And that's why we have +210 photos in Category:Golden_Retriever (heck, there are 15 photos showing the same dog in the same position from 15 different angles). Photos at day and night, from different angles, with or without clouds, close-up photos of little details, etc. There is no real reason for deletion here, apart from IDONTLIKEIT. --95.121.219.115 00:18, 2 February 2012 (UTC)
- Delete It simply isn't educational, a fact which is reinforced by the lack of use on any WMF projects. If a Wikipedia ever has an article about recreational bouncing of penises on tables, perhaps this image could be undeleted - until that time, I see no reason to have it around. Per above, this is out of Common's scope. Ajraddatz (talk) 00:23, 2 February 2012 (UTC)
Deleted per consensus above that the image is outside Common's scope. WJBscribe (talk) 00:38, 4 February 2012 (UTC)
No encyclopedic or knowledgable value. Given the contributions of the uploader, it is clear that this is a gentleman using Commons for exhibitionism, rather than to assist in the spread of free knowledge. This is also being used to troll people - the link http://www.rulesoftheinternet.com/ redirects to this image. Chase me ladies, I'm the Cavalry (talk) 09:46, 25 October 2011 (UTC)
Keep Regardless of the motives of the uploader, this image is better quality then the other two examples of male sexual penetrative use of objects (File:Anal2.jpg and File:Anal3.jpg) --Kramer Associates (talk) 21:22, 25 October 2011 (UTC)
- Hmm. I disagree. The penetrative use of objects into one's anus for any reason does not need to be illustrated seperately for each sex; the actual act itself is the same regardless of gender, and it is markedly less educational than other images we have of the sexual penetrative use of objects. One would even argue that there is no educational value to an image which depicts such an easily-definable act, illustrating it is akin to illustrating how to put a penis into a cup. The image also does nothing to show the work involved with lubrication and 'easing' which is no doubt involved. To top it all, the cucumber isn't even all the way in. Chase me ladies, I'm the Cavalry (talk) 01:51, 26 October 2011 (UTC)
- And if the image did show the cucumber fully inserted would you argue it doesn't even show the cucumber partially inserted?
I have no personal experience of anal penetrationl, other than having my doc examine my prostate once a year. But I gather there are many tricky and dangerous aspects of anal penetration. Our nominator calls this an "easily-definable act" -- apparently suggesting that anal penetration is so simple it does not require illustration.
From what I have read: (1) improperly inserted objects can result in painful and potentially dangerous tearing of the anal opening; (2) penetrative objects shouldn't be shared between people, unless they are sterilized between uses; (3) objects shouldn't be shared between a woman's anus and her vagina, as the two orifices have differnt flora, and mixing the flora can be dangerous; (4) anal sex toys should be manufactured with some kind of flange, as otherwise they can be sucked into the GI tract.
That our nominator seems to be suggesting anal penetration is so simple that it does not require illustration concerns me, and suggests that this nomination is not based so much on whether the image has educational value, but rather on simple personal distaste. Geo Swan (talk) 02:37, 26 October 2011 (UTC)
- Please remember to assume good faith - this has nothing to do with personal distaste, I assure you, and I'm a little upset that you suggested such a thing. I have not mentioned pornography even once and quite frankly I don't care if it's pornographic or not. It's just not an educational picture. To counter your argument, the image does nothing to show the work involved with lubrication and 'easing' which is no doubt involved. This image does not do anything to show any of the four points you have raised, so I do not see how it can be educational. Chase me ladies, I'm the Cavalry (talk) 16:26, 26 October 2011 (UTC)
- And if the image did show the cucumber fully inserted would you argue it doesn't even show the cucumber partially inserted?
- Comment -- the link http://www.rulesofttheinternet.com/ is currently 404. Geo Swan (talk) 02:12, 26 October 2011 (UTC)
- Comment -- After User:Kramer said this image was better than File:Anal2.jpg and File:Anal3.jpg our nominator nominated those two images for deletion as well. In those nominations they claimed we already had superior images. Geo Swan (talk) 02:16, 26 October 2011 (UTC)
- Correct. If we have better images of an act, then we do not need poor quality images of the same act. Chase me ladies, I'm the Cavalry (talk) 16:26, 26 October 2011 (UTC)
- Keep In my opinion this nomination has not given enough thought to the need to provide a range of images to be used for discussion of which sexual techniques were safe sex techniques, and which were unsafe. Geo Swan (talk) 02:19, 26 October 2011 (UTC)
- keep - This is the only image on commons with using any fruit or vegetable as an anal sex toy (male/female/other). If anything, we should create a category for these images, and urge further uploads. Beta M (talk) 03:56, 26 October 2011 (UTC)
- Keep Please withdraw my deletion request, you have all made good points and have changed my mind. Has anyone tried to get funding to encourage more images like this to be uploaded? Perhaps we could have categories for different vegetables and objects - sitting on a chair leg is entirely different to sitting on a cucumber, which is in turn entirely different to sitting on a pair of scissors or a lawnmower blade. They are all educationally distinct, and we should be striving to get photos of every possible act, including those which portray what not to insert anally. Chase me ladies, I'm the Cavalry (talk) 16:26, 26 October 2011 (UTC)
- To clarify, the above post was sarcastic. Please close the discussion as keep, by all means (you will anyway, I'm sure), but I am utterly flabbergasted at the response to this debate. Chase me ladies, I'm the Cavalry (talk) 20:25, 26 October 2011 (UTC)
- Keep very rare (unique) photo of this situation (not to mention that a selection of different photos of this would be nice to have). --Saibo (Δ) 20:36, 12 November 2011 (UTC)
- Keep per : Saibo -- Gddea - Daniel E. Als-Juliussen (talk) 15:34, 18 November 2011 (UTC)
- Keep - Commons isn't censored, and this photograph has educational value. --Xijky (talk) 23:55, 18 November 2011 (UTC)
Kept: This is our only image of using food as an anal toy by men, and as far as I can tell, our only decent quality of male anal play at all. Oh, and please note, the vegetable in question is a courgette, not a cucumber. -mattbuck (Talk) 14:13, 19 November 2011 (UTC)
I believe COM:NOT#Commons is not your personal free web host and COM:PORN are what are required here. This is not used on any Wikimedia project, and it most certainly does not have any educational value. No one is going to be looking for a photo of a man who has shoved the majority of a zucchini into his rectum. Just because there are no other images on the Commons that illustrate the use of food or botanical items in sex acts does not mean that this one image, uploaded by Cheywen (talk · contribs) who has only ever contributed photos of his anatomy to the Commons, should be retained.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 06:40, 18 December 2011 (UTC)
- Speedy keep - per my closure 1 month ago:
- "I don't see why this is not educational "- this is still one of our only images of male anal toy use, and it's by far our highest quality one.
- This is not a low-quality image which adds nothing, so COM:PORN is not relevant - as noted above, it adds something distinct to our collection, and while it isn't high quality, nor is it low quality - subject is perfectly in focus.
- Not being used on a wikimedia project is not a reason for deletion.
- See previous comments Re educational value.
- In summary, no valid reasons for deletion have been presented, I request a speedy closure. -mattbuck (Talk) 06:51, 18 December 2011 (UTC)
- No project uses this and no project is going to use it. No one on any Wikimedia project has any intention of using a photo of a man with a zucchini shoved into his rectum. This is either being used as a shock image or because someone needs to have this photo uploaded to share with people. I completely disagree with all of your closures of this image, and others like it. There could be much better images of male anal toy use (disregarding File:Anal2.jpg, File:Anal3.jpg, File:Anal 2.jpg, and File:Anal 3.jpg), but a vegetable is not one of them.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 06:57, 18 December 2011 (UTC)
- I was actually going to ask that you recuse yourself from this debate, as I have on the other deletion requests I started, but you beat me to the punch.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 07:03, 18 December 2011 (UTC)
- We do not require that other Wikimedia projects use this, that has never been a reason for deletion. If you do not believe me impartial, that is fine, but I will delete things if I consider them to be out of scope/etc. I simply do not believe that this is. Human sexuality is an important area of study, and yes, people do stick vegetables up their backsides (though really, a courgette, yuck). -mattbuck (Talk) 07:14, 18 December 2011 (UTC)
- It is not a requirement, but it should be a factor in cases such as these where it is explicit pornography in my opinion.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 07:35, 18 December 2011 (UTC)
- I strongly disagreed with User:Jcb's closures. But I only suggested he shouldn't close discussions, and that instead he offer his views as a non-admin participant in the discussions. Is there some reason you don't think Mattbuck should offer opinions here? Geo Swan (talk) 19:03, 18 December 2011 (UTC)
- We do not require that other Wikimedia projects use this, that has never been a reason for deletion. If you do not believe me impartial, that is fine, but I will delete things if I consider them to be out of scope/etc. I simply do not believe that this is. Human sexuality is an important area of study, and yes, people do stick vegetables up their backsides (though really, a courgette, yuck). -mattbuck (Talk) 07:14, 18 December 2011 (UTC)
- Keep speedily. People should check when the previous deletion request ends before second nomination. VolodyA! V Anarhist (converse) 10:52, 18 December 2011 (UTC)
- I should be able to make my own better arguments on this image which has no educational value whatsoever. Just because an image is freely licensed and uploaded to the Commons does not mean it has to be retained when it is of no use to the Wikimedia projects the Commons serves.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 12:38, 18 December 2011 (UTC)
- Keep
for the reasons I offered the first time this image was nominated for deletion.Yes, I understand some contributors here are personally shocked or personally offended by frank depiction of human sexuality. There are things that shock me too, but when that material is in the project scope I live with my personal feelings of shock, and request you do likewise. As I argued before, in a world with too much transmission of sexually transmitted diseases and too many unwanted pregnancies there is a legitimate educational need for images that illustrate alternate ways of expressing sexuality. Are anal toys a safe sex technique? The answer is complicated, and illustration helps. Geo Swan (talk) 18:57, 18 December 2011 (UTC)- This is a photo of a man who has taken a zucchini and shoved it into his anus, and has only uploaded other photos where he has posted his genitalia in various states. There is no educational value in a photo of a vegetable rammed up into the nether regions, particularly when it is not being utilized by any Wikimedia project to teach people about the subjects you have brought up. This is someone posting their selfmade porn onto the commons, and it is only being kept because they followed the rules here and released it into the creative commons. Just because it's free for us to use, does not mean we should keep it.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 20:49, 18 December 2011 (UTC)
- Even a stopped clock is correct twice a day. In my opinion although we might speculate uploaders have an exhibitionistic intent, it is not particularly relevant if the image is in scope. You have made it quite clear you don't recognize the image as being in scope. But it seems to me you haven't really said why. Geo Swan (talk) 02:12, 19 December 2011 (UTC)
- It's not in scope because none of the projects seem to have a need for a photograph like this. In fact, I bet most of the projects block it from being used because of its nature. You keep calling on "safe sex" and whatnot in retaining photos like this. It is most certainly not safe to take a summer squash and insert it into your rectum. All insecticides and whatnot seem fairly dangerous. And I believe we should take into account the behavior of the original uploader, who has only spent his time on the Commons uploading photographs of his penis in various states of erection as well as close ups of his anus. While he is free to do this, does this site not have enough photos of these types? And particularly ones that do not utilize botanical items?—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 05:46, 19 December 2011 (UTC)
- OK, i'll bite. Please provide a range of photos on this site of this kind. If you can't then the site does not yet have enough photos of these types. VolodyA! V Anarhist (converse) 13:11, 19 December 2011 (UTC)
- Gee. I dunno. Maybe in Category:Sexual penetrative use of dildos or Category:Sexual penetrative use of food?—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 20:33, 19 December 2011 (UTC)
- This is the only male photo in the sexual food category, and the only other male photos in the dildo category you also nominated for deletion. So no, we don't have enough photos of this type. Gender DOES matter. -mattbuck (Talk) 21:23, 19 December 2011 (UTC)
- An anus is an anus is an anus.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 03:54, 20 December 2011 (UTC)
- Eh.... no. Now to me, one flower is very much like another. I can maybe make vague assertions - I could probably tell a fuschia from a daffodil from a daisy - but I am not an expert on the subject, so I leave it to others to tell me whether one image adds to the educational content. The fact that you seem unwilling or unable to make the same choice, and instead believe that, in the words of Ronald Reagan, if you've seen one tree you've seen them all, to my mind makes you in no position to cast judgment on the subject. I can tell you, from personal experience, that anuses can be very different - some are the sort of classic "o" shape, some are more like a slit, some are brown, some are pale, some are hairy, some aren't, some, for reasons entirely unclear to me, consistently taste of chocolate.
- The hallmark of a good editor - at commons or your beloved en.wp - is to know what you know about, and confine yourself to fixing things like punctuation in that you know nothing about. You are breaking that rule. To give an en.wp analogy, you, who (in this analogy) dropped out of school at age 14, have gone along to the physics article and decided that since there's an article on chemistry, this one is totally unnecessary.
- If you know nothing about the subject, you are not in a position to concern yourself with its details. This goes for everyone - if you think that when you've seen one tree you've seen them all, you shouldn't be declaring that photos of oak trees are replaceable because you've seen a photo of a palm tree. Same here. -mattbuck (Talk) 07:48, 20 December 2011 (UTC)
- Wow what an incredibly bad case of apples and oranges. I'm sorry that I'm not a connoisseur of anuses and don't know that this particular photo of a zucchini-infused one is special and is therefore within the scope of the commons. However, as Alpha Quadrant has been pointing out, COM:SCOPE explicitly disallows images such as this one. It is a file not legitimately in use. Cheywen does not use it in his userspace on any project, and it is not being used by any sister project. And there is no rule to be broken, as you claim. An editor is allowed to contribute in any way he or she sees fit on any of the Wikimedia projects, as they are free resources that anyone can edit. In this case, I see that a photograph of a man who has taken a zucchini and inserted it into his anus for sexual pleasure is not appropriate for the commons per COM:PORN and at the very least the recently quoted section of COM:SCOPE.
- And let me say this before you suddenly use, as we say on en.wp, a w:Wikipedia:Other stuff exists argument, and compare the over abundance of photos of, say, the Eiffel Tower or the Forbidden City and say that I must go through them and delete any photo that is currently not in use. There is no feasible way you can compare photos of architecture or world landmarks with the homemade porn that individuals such as Cheywen (talk · contribs) have only contributed to the Commons, as you have done with the physics/chemistry analogy.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 20:49, 20 December 2011 (UTC)
- COM:PORN says, and I quote, We may remove low-quality pornographic images that do not contribute anything educationally useful to our existing collection of images. But this is not low quality. It is in fact fairly high quality - over 1 MP, well-lit, in focus, and no distractions. Therefore COM:PORN does not apply to this. As for rule-breaking, if I came along to some en.wp article I knew nothing about and nominated it for deletion because it didn't seem important to me, then I would be swiftly reverted. It may not be a written rule but it's effectively a rule. The same is true here - if you are the sort of person who believes one tree is the same as another, you shouldn't be nominating trees for deletion on grounds of content. Similarly if you believe all anuses are the same, you shouldn't be nominating them for deletion on grounds of content. Your actions on Commons are frankly trollish, and smack of IDONTLIKEIT. We host stuff people find offensive, deal with it. If you find it offensive, here's a quick tip: don't look at it. Maybe you don't stick things up your backside for sexual pleasure, but a lot of people do, and a lot of those people don't always use purpose-made sex toys for it. Sex toys are expensive, it's understandable. You are simply trying to impose your moral judgments - that people shouldn't be educated about such acts - on the rest of the world, and that is frankly not something that anyone should be willing to tolerate. You have shown no capacity to listen to arguments that anyone makes, and you have just wasted several hours' of other contributors' time that could have otherwise been spent on something more edifying. I will not be making further comments on this DR, or your others. I am done wasting my time on you. -mattbuck (Talk) 21:46, 20 December 2011 (UTC)
- I am not trying to impose anything on anyone. This is just a photo that need not be hosted on the commons because no one will have any sort of possible use for it on any Wikimedia project. I may not be as well versed in whatever the hell anuses are supposed to be, but there is no functional difference between a woman's anus and a man's anus when a foreign body is shoved into it. I don't agree with any of the arguments you or anyone else has put forward, because they frankly do not make sense to me. There is no educational purpose to this photo, or any of the other files that I have proposed for deletion. No Wikimedia project is going to use a (high quality) photo of a man who has taken a zucchini and put it into his anus on any Wikipedia article, Wikibooks book, Wikiversity lesson, Wiktionary entry, etc. because there is no demand for it. This is just someone's home made pornography that has been uploaded, and you and anyone else who is proposing that it should be kept is only doing it because it is has a compatible license and it is not a copyright violation from somewhere else. I do not like the photo. I also do not like File:Shanon Cucumber 0415.jpg or several other images. This is just one that I have discovered that I believe is not within the scope of this project. But calling me a troll and saying I am trying to pose my morality just smacks of bad faith, as has been evident from the beginning. This photo and the others should have been taken down a while ago. I am not trying to censor the Commons. However, I do think that if a precedent is set here, the Commons should take an inventory of its sexuality files and get rid of ones from people who have done nothing else but take photos of their own genitals in various states of arousal or intercourse and determine if they really are in scope, or you're just helping someone keep their homemade porn on the Wikimedia servers.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 01:36, 21 December 2011 (UTC)
- COM:PORN says, and I quote, We may remove low-quality pornographic images that do not contribute anything educationally useful to our existing collection of images. But this is not low quality. It is in fact fairly high quality - over 1 MP, well-lit, in focus, and no distractions. Therefore COM:PORN does not apply to this. As for rule-breaking, if I came along to some en.wp article I knew nothing about and nominated it for deletion because it didn't seem important to me, then I would be swiftly reverted. It may not be a written rule but it's effectively a rule. The same is true here - if you are the sort of person who believes one tree is the same as another, you shouldn't be nominating trees for deletion on grounds of content. Similarly if you believe all anuses are the same, you shouldn't be nominating them for deletion on grounds of content. Your actions on Commons are frankly trollish, and smack of IDONTLIKEIT. We host stuff people find offensive, deal with it. If you find it offensive, here's a quick tip: don't look at it. Maybe you don't stick things up your backside for sexual pleasure, but a lot of people do, and a lot of those people don't always use purpose-made sex toys for it. Sex toys are expensive, it's understandable. You are simply trying to impose your moral judgments - that people shouldn't be educated about such acts - on the rest of the world, and that is frankly not something that anyone should be willing to tolerate. You have shown no capacity to listen to arguments that anyone makes, and you have just wasted several hours' of other contributors' time that could have otherwise been spent on something more edifying. I will not be making further comments on this DR, or your others. I am done wasting my time on you. -mattbuck (Talk) 21:46, 20 December 2011 (UTC)
- An anus is an anus is an anus.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 03:54, 20 December 2011 (UTC)
- This is the only male photo in the sexual food category, and the only other male photos in the dildo category you also nominated for deletion. So no, we don't have enough photos of this type. Gender DOES matter. -mattbuck (Talk) 21:23, 19 December 2011 (UTC)
- Gee. I dunno. Maybe in Category:Sexual penetrative use of dildos or Category:Sexual penetrative use of food?—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 20:33, 19 December 2011 (UTC)
- OK, i'll bite. Please provide a range of photos on this site of this kind. If you can't then the site does not yet have enough photos of these types. VolodyA! V Anarhist (converse) 13:11, 19 December 2011 (UTC)
- It's not in scope because none of the projects seem to have a need for a photograph like this. In fact, I bet most of the projects block it from being used because of its nature. You keep calling on "safe sex" and whatnot in retaining photos like this. It is most certainly not safe to take a summer squash and insert it into your rectum. All insecticides and whatnot seem fairly dangerous. And I believe we should take into account the behavior of the original uploader, who has only spent his time on the Commons uploading photographs of his penis in various states of erection as well as close ups of his anus. While he is free to do this, does this site not have enough photos of these types? And particularly ones that do not utilize botanical items?—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 05:46, 19 December 2011 (UTC)
- Even a stopped clock is correct twice a day. In my opinion although we might speculate uploaders have an exhibitionistic intent, it is not particularly relevant if the image is in scope. You have made it quite clear you don't recognize the image as being in scope. But it seems to me you haven't really said why. Geo Swan (talk) 02:12, 19 December 2011 (UTC)
- This is a photo of a man who has taken a zucchini and shoved it into his anus, and has only uploaded other photos where he has posted his genitalia in various states. There is no educational value in a photo of a vegetable rammed up into the nether regions, particularly when it is not being utilized by any Wikimedia project to teach people about the subjects you have brought up. This is someone posting their selfmade porn onto the commons, and it is only being kept because they followed the rules here and released it into the creative commons. Just because it's free for us to use, does not mean we should keep it.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 20:49, 18 December 2011 (UTC)
- No comment - censorship raid. "You may wish to restate your arguments as to why the Commons should no longer host these exhibitionist photographs." Ryulong. If somebody wants to delete it: have good arguments. --Saibo (Δ) 19:20, 18 December 2011 (UTC)
- This is not a censorship raid. This is a low quality photo that has no possible educational use. And I am merely notifying a user who has had opinions on these photos that I have relisted them for deletion, when he originally proposed them. There is nothing wrong about that. I have my own arguments, Saibo.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 20:49, 18 December 2011 (UTC)
- Delete The image is out of the Commons project scope. There is no realistic educational value for this image's use. Alpha_Quadrant (talk) 04:03, 20 December 2011 (UTC)
- Delete - clearly out of scope, and Mattbuck's deletion reflects his personal POV and not policy. Not sure why people want to fill up Commons with shoddy images that serve no purpose. Educational requires proof, not hypothetical proof, which is something that people strangely forget. Ottava Rima (talk) 02:33, 21 December 2011 (UTC)
- Delete - the use of vegetables as sex toys is not a subject which realistically needs educational illustration. Out of scope. --Claritas (talk) 08:52, 21 December 2011 (UTC)
- That is what censors would say, too. ;-) Some topics are just bad topics which shouldn't and do not exist, hm? Btw: your username is interesting in that context - thanks for the amusement. --Saibo (Δ) 13:52, 21 December 2011 (UTC)
- You can't use the term "censor" when discussing "educational", because the word "educational" implies a hierarchy while censorship allows for none. Sorry, but you botched this one. Ottava Rima (talk) 17:58, 21 December 2011 (UTC)
- That is what censors would say, too. ;-) Some topics are just bad topics which shouldn't and do not exist, hm? Btw: your username is interesting in that context - thanks for the amusement. --Saibo (Δ) 13:52, 21 December 2011 (UTC)
- Keep A bizarre photo, but not of unreasonable technical quality and with potential educational use, if only for proctologists to see what people are likely to do to themselves. Chaseme originally raised the problem of misuse by www.rulesoftheinternet.com, that is an issue (though not a current re-direct to this image). However, this is not a policy based rationale for deletion, further if deleted, the external site is likely to redirect to other surprising images on Commons ad infinitum. A better technical solution is needed to address this problem rather than using DRs on every image for which such mischief is made. --Fæ (talk) 18:22, 21 December 2011 (UTC)
- Policy says that potential use is not proof of use and cannot be a determiner of usefulness. It is either used or not used. Ottava Rima (talk) 20:52, 21 December 2011 (UTC)
- I cannot see any such statement in Commons:SCOPE, only "realistically useful for an educational purpose". --Fæ (talk) 21:28, 21 December 2011 (UTC)
- "Not all images for example are realistically useful for an educational purpose, and an image does not magically become useful by arguing that “it could be used to illustrate a Wikipedia article on X”, where X happens to be the subject of the file." It is right there. Notice the "does not magically become" which you seem unwilling to acknowledge. This clause describes your keep vote and those like it. It was put there to stop such hypothetical arguments. Ottava Rima (talk) 22:12, 21 December 2011 (UTC)
- Please do not speculate about what I might be unwilling to do, I find it offensive. This discussion is about a file, not about what you think might go on in my head. My illustration of educational use for a proctologist was tangible enough, I am sure you are aware that educational value need not be judged solely on whether a file is currently used on Wikimedia projects or not; though your incorrect paraphrasing "it is either used or not used" gives the impression otherwise. --Fæ (talk) 23:13, 21 December 2011 (UTC)
- "Please do not speculate about what I might be unwilling to do, I find it offensive." Really? Because it is offensive that you pretended the sentences following the section that you quoted did not exist. That isn't good behavior nor does it verify that you have a legitimate point. It doesn't matter who you claim can use it, because policy says such are inappropriate. You have to understand our policies before you respond here. You should have apologized there but you didn't. That isn't good. Ottava Rima (talk) 01:12, 22 December 2011 (UTC)
- Can we stop cherry picking the policies that we find useful? Why not raise a de facto policy that once a consensus is reached the second nomination should not be started in a month time? We are waisting tons of time that could be spent making a project a better place (i.e. not a place with less images, but rather a more educational portal). The truth of the matter is that Wikipedia use does not, did not, and will not define the only criteria for inclusion on commons. That is because it's a different project. VolodyA! V Anarhist (converse) 05:33, 24 December 2011 (UTC)
- "Please do not speculate about what I might be unwilling to do, I find it offensive." Really? Because it is offensive that you pretended the sentences following the section that you quoted did not exist. That isn't good behavior nor does it verify that you have a legitimate point. It doesn't matter who you claim can use it, because policy says such are inappropriate. You have to understand our policies before you respond here. You should have apologized there but you didn't. That isn't good. Ottava Rima (talk) 01:12, 22 December 2011 (UTC)
- Please do not speculate about what I might be unwilling to do, I find it offensive. This discussion is about a file, not about what you think might go on in my head. My illustration of educational use for a proctologist was tangible enough, I am sure you are aware that educational value need not be judged solely on whether a file is currently used on Wikimedia projects or not; though your incorrect paraphrasing "it is either used or not used" gives the impression otherwise. --Fæ (talk) 23:13, 21 December 2011 (UTC)
- "Not all images for example are realistically useful for an educational purpose, and an image does not magically become useful by arguing that “it could be used to illustrate a Wikipedia article on X”, where X happens to be the subject of the file." It is right there. Notice the "does not magically become" which you seem unwilling to acknowledge. This clause describes your keep vote and those like it. It was put there to stop such hypothetical arguments. Ottava Rima (talk) 22:12, 21 December 2011 (UTC)
- I cannot see any such statement in Commons:SCOPE, only "realistically useful for an educational purpose". --Fæ (talk) 21:28, 21 December 2011 (UTC)
Kept: Despite any assertions to the contrary, this image is realistically useful for an educational purpose. A sentence like “No one on any Wikimedia project has any intention of using a photo of a man with a zucchini shoved into his rectum.” is doubtful considering the kind of images one can find in the German wikipedia (they placed this image on their front page for a full day, and this image is right at the beginning of de:Vaginalverkehr, just two examples). Also Commons is not only a media file repository for the Wikimedia projects, it's also a repository for other educational projects, and that doesn't rule out sexual education. Labelling sexual images one dislikes as “porn” won't change that. So: the image is of OK quality, it is in project scope, and what intentions the uploader may or may not have had when uploading it is irrelevant. --Rosenzweig τ 00:01, 25 December 2011 (UTC)
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Reason: Obscenity 90.73.237.83 10:33, 12 September 2017 (UTC)
Kept: This is just a redirect,. -mattbuck (Talk) 22:42, 12 September 2017 (UTC)
I want to delete Randika viraj perera (talk) 18:28, 18 December 2011 (UTC)
I want to rename my username Randika viraj perera (talk) 05:58, 19 December 2011 (UTC)
Kept: We don't delete user talk pages. You can put a request to rename your account on COM:CHU. Trijnstel (talk) 20:37, 29 December 2011 (UTC)
i think this image is out of scope and likely a self-promoting photo Morning Sunshine (talk) 05:53, 18 December 2011 (UTC)
Deleted: Denniss (talk) 00:26, 27 April 2012 (UTC)
Offensichtlich von einem Wahlplakat abfotografiert: "Quelle: selbst fotografiert am 23. August 2009 in Ennepetal Urheber: SuperTedStriker Datum: auf einem Wahlplakat der NPD am 23. August 2009 in Ennepetal". 77.184.44.219 09:31, 18 December 2011 (UTC)
Deleted: Denniss (talk) 00:25, 27 April 2012 (UTC)
Personal picture, out of project scope. The photo was taken at a meeting at which the person depicted (Marina Weisband) did not participate in the first place as a politician, but rather as a private person. As the main author of the article de:Marina Weisband in the German Wikipedia, I was informed by Marina Weisband by e-mail that she, with the publication of this image does not agree. Jocian (talk) 16:04, 18 December 2011 (UTC)
- Keep - public meeting, even tv was present. /Pieter Kuiper (talk) 21:35, 19 December 2011 (UTC)
- Delete - As Jocian and on the other hand poor quality. There are enough useful pictures with her on commons, this one ist not presentable. --Stepro (talk) 23:54, 19 December 2011 (UTC)
- es war bei einer öffentlichen podiumsdiskussion mit u.a. dem bürgermeister von reykjavík, Jon Gnarr [11] + dem philosophen Richard David Precht [12], die beide offensichtlich viel weniger probleme mit den fotos haben, die ich während der veranstaltung von ihnen gemacht habe! anscheinend ist es bei fotos von (emanzipierten?) jungen damen ein selbstbewustseinsproblem, damit locker umzugehen, wenn sie zuvor nicht vom stylisten aufgebrezelt wurden? dontworry (talk) 18:04, 23 December 2011 (UTC)
- Ob Jon Gnarr und Davi Precht sich an solchen „Schnappschussfotos“ von mäßiger Qualität „erfreuen“, darf wohl eher bezweifelt werden – spielt aber für diese Löschdiskusion keinerlei Rolle. Und PA-lastige und polemische Bemerkungen und Unterstellungen („Selbstbewusstseinsproblem“, „aufgebrezelt wurden“ ??) sind hier ebenfalls mehr als entbehrlich. --Jocian (talk) 17:56, 28 December 2011 (UTC)
+1* Keep - keep it - public meeting --188.174.93.32 22:01, 23 December 2011 (UTC)
- Keep - public meeting with Jon Gnarr, Richard David Precht, Marina Weisband et al. and television -- -- Dievo (talk) 23:25, 23 December 2011 (UTC)
- Delete "Public meeting" does not matter. The image is of poor quality (half eye, cut hand, no surrounding, no focus on face) and does not represent the subject in a significant way (subject barely recogniseable); therefore: Not educationally useful (translation: Öffentliche Veranstaltung ist wurscht. Die Bildqualität ist mies (halbes Auge, abgeschnittene Hand, Gesicht unscharf); das Bil stellt den Bildgegenstand nur unzureichend dar (Person ist kaum wiedererkennbar), daher hier nicht besonders nützlich.)--Mmg (talk) 00:33, 24 December 2011 (UTC)
anscheinend ist inzwischen jedes (fadenscheinige) lösch-argument recht + sei es auch noch so erbärmlich? ;-) dontworry (talk) 13:29, 24 December 2011 (UTC)
- @Dontworry: Mäßige bitte Deinen PA-lastigen Tonfall und bleibe sachlich. Danke. --Jocian (talk) 18:00, 28 December 2011 (UTC)
- „Public meeting“ does not matter. The image is a „snapshot picture“ of poor quality, the person being photographed is hardly recognizable. There are enough better pictures of her on Commons, this one has no sufficient information content. --Jocian (talk) 18:47, 28 December 2011 (UTC)
- deine aussage: "is hardly recognizable", kann man nur mit: "is hardly nonsense" kommentieren. falschbehauptung wird auch durch wiederholung nicht richtig. 84.176.153.157 06:23, 29 December 2011 (UTC)
- @IP 84.176.xxx: Keine Emotionalwallungen, bleibe bitte sachlich. Danke. --Jocian (talk) 12:18, 29 December 2011 (UTC)
- deine aussage: "is hardly recognizable", kann man nur mit: "is hardly nonsense" kommentieren. falschbehauptung wird auch durch wiederholung nicht richtig. 84.176.153.157 06:23, 29 December 2011 (UTC)
- wie bitte sollte man mit jemandem "sachlich" diskutieren (können), der mit "unsachlichen" argumenten wie: "...I was informed by Marina Weisband by e-mail that they (she!), with the publication of this image does not agree." eine (völlig überflüssige) löschdiskussion anzettelt? commons ist kein wunschkonzert + auch kein diskussionsforum für die wahl von qualitätsbildern! also, was bitte soll diese disk darüber dann hier, wo sie nicht hingehört? + was ist daran eigentlich sachlich? - siehe hierzu auch die argumente von cholo aleman: [13]. 84.176.153.157 14:33, 29 December 2011 (UTC)
- @ IP 84.176.xxx: Mäßige Deinen PA-lastigen Tonfall und bleibe bitte sachlich.
- Zur Sache: Commons ist kein Abladeplatz für "Schnappschußfotos" von schlechter Qualität mit derart zweifelhaftem Wert für ein enzyklopädisches Projekt! --Jocian (talk) 15:27, 29 December 2011 (UTC)
- pa-lastig bin wohl nur ich?;-) + was bist du? (zitate: "poor quality", "abladeplatz", "zweifelhafter wert"...) woher kommen diese deine qualitätsbewertungen? von deiner ausbildung zum pressefotografen?? 84.176.153.157 15:33, 29 December 2011 (UTC)
- @ IP 84.176.xxx: Da hast Du Recht, mit "Pressefotografie" hat das hier diskutierte "Schnappschußfoto" nichts zu tun. --Jocian (talk) 08:15, 30 December 2011 (UTC)
- pa-lastig bin wohl nur ich?;-) + was bist du? (zitate: "poor quality", "abladeplatz", "zweifelhafter wert"...) woher kommen diese deine qualitätsbewertungen? von deiner ausbildung zum pressefotografen?? 84.176.153.157 15:33, 29 December 2011 (UTC)
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- @ Jocian: sorry, aber Deine Argumente sind für die Commons m.E. ganz abwegig - Keep - no reason to delete, public person in Germany from a party that highlights "Transparence" etc. etc. --Cholo Aleman (talk) 13:37, 31 December 2011 (UTC)
- @ Jocian: sorry, aber Deine Argumente sind für die Commons m.E. ganz abwegig -
Info Today I've informed the pictured person (User:MarinaWeisband) about this deletion request, see [14] --:bdk: 21:42, 1 January 2012 (UTC)
- Delete Bitte löschen, ich bin mit der Verwendung dieser Bilder von mir nicht einverstanden. --MarinaWeisband (talk) 22:06, 1 January 2012 (UTC)
- Delete Bitte löschen, ich bin mit der Verwendung dieser Bilder von mir nicht einverstanden. --MarinaWeisband (talk) 22:07, 1 January 2012 (UTC)
- als Person des öffentlichen Lebens muss man hinnehmen, das solche Bilder an die Öffentlichkeit gelangen. By the way: dass die Bilder hier gespeichert sind, heißt nicht, dass sie auch verwendet werden! - diese Löschgeschichte hier ist eine Parodie zu den sonstigen Zielen, die die Piratenpartei vertritt. --Cholo Aleman (talk) 17:35, 2 January 2012 (UTC)
- Keep Person öffentlichen Interesses anscheinend bei einer öffentlichen Veranstaltung aufgenommen. @Marina: Grottige Fotos sagen mehr über den Fotografen aus als über das Motiv :-) -- smial (talk) 18:36, 2 January 2012 (UTC)
- siehe beispiele: [15] + [16] ;-D 84.176.192.40 06:24, 3 January 2012 (UTC)
- Der Unterschied ist, daß ich mir nix drauf einbilde. Jemand hat sich das so gewünscht, und im Gegensatz zu den Fotos von Marina ist sogar wiederzuerkennen, was da abgebildet wurde :-) -- smial (talk) 08:13, 3 January 2012 (UTC)
- siehe beispiele: [15] + [16] ;-D 84.176.192.40 06:24, 3 January 2012 (UTC)
- da hast du aber ein grosses talent, dass du anscheinend immer genau weisst - ohne, dass das jemand ausdrücklich behaupten müsste - was andere sich "einbilden" oder nicht - chapeau! 84.176.192.40 08:22, 3 January 2012 (UTC)
- Dontworry, be happy :-) -- smial (talk) 09:42, 3 January 2012 (UTC)
- ja, ja, wer gut smial't, der gut fährt! ;-) 84.176.192.40 11:45, 3 January 2012 (UTC)
- Jedenfalls habe ich noch nie Editwars geführt, um eigene Machwerke in Artikel zu drücken :-) -- smial (talk) 13:27, 3 January 2012 (UTC)
- deine heiligsprechung [17] wurde bereits von mir beantragt. du musst - um das verfahren in gang zu setzen - nur noch abnibbeln (= voraussetzung!). ich habe die kongregation [18] gebeten die seligsprechung [19] zu überspringen, da der fall so eindeutig dafür spricht + alle notwendigen beweise vorliegen! josef (bennedetto) hat das auch schon abgenickt. 84.176.211.83 06:57, 4 January 2012 (UTC)
- Jedenfalls habe ich noch nie Editwars geführt, um eigene Machwerke in Artikel zu drücken :-) -- smial (talk) 13:27, 3 January 2012 (UTC)
- ja, ja, wer gut smial't, der gut fährt! ;-) 84.176.192.40 11:45, 3 January 2012 (UTC)
- Dontworry, be happy :-) -- smial (talk) 09:42, 3 January 2012 (UTC)
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- Keep ""Mir egal", sagt sie, "ich will den Menschen zeigen, wie ich bin und was bei mir privat so abgeht. Ich will offen und ehrlich sein."" SPON selbstgegrabene transparenzgrube. --Snotty (talk) 13:02, 3 January 2012 (UTC)
- Keep an awful photo which can be used as a deterrent example how not to portray people --Sungrazer (talk) 13:04, 4 January 2012 (UTC)
- Is somebody in contact with the person on the photo? I'd simply suggest to her that she publish a better picture of herself that she feels happy with. Then the picture here in discussion would float out of sight... --84.171.229.151 15:26, 4 January 2012 (UTC)
- Ehm, i guess everyone editing on this page is in contact: She already took part in this discussion only a few lines above. And there are already lots of really good pictures of her, see Category:Marina_Weisband. --Gnu1742 (talk) 16:19, 4 January 2012 (UTC)
- Keep - Public person in a public meeting, where even tv was present. (per Pieter Kuiper). Tm (talk) 03:54, 20 January 2012 (UTC)
Kept: I don't like it is no valid reason for deletion Denniss (talk) 00:23, 27 April 2012 (UTC)
and File:Albert and Tempie.jpg. Unlikely to be own work: small resolutions, missing EXIF. EugeneZelenko (talk) 16:33, 18 December 2011 (UTC)
Deleted: Denniss (talk) 00:21, 27 April 2012 (UTC)
This is essentially a duplicate license review template of {{Cc-by-3.0-BollywoodHungama}}, which is the one that is transcluded on all of the relevant files. The site isn't even called IndiaFM anymore. Logan Talk Contributions 17:18, 18 December 2011 (UTC)
- Delete One can consider a speedy deletion as uncontroversial cleanup. Hekerui (talk) 20:27, 19 December 2011 (UTC)
- Delete -- Dpkpm007 (talk) 02:33, 25 December 2011 (UTC)
- Delete Hindustanilanguage (talk) 17:04, 21 April 2012 (UTC).
Deleted: Denniss (talk) 00:14, 27 April 2012 (UTC)
This seems to me to be out of scope, partly promotional, partly because two images each appear three times -- what do others think? Jim . . . . Jameslwoodward (talk to me) 10:23, 18 December 2011 (UTC)
- Keep — Wikimedia Commons is an international project, it is not English centric. Francis Lalanne is a famous artist in France. This page has three sections: talk, image, and books, in the same way as the Stallman page has. Next, it is IMHO important to keep this page because it is not common that an artist like Lalanne writes a Free/Libre book (free as in freedom). I mean, this does not happen every day. The Lessig page or Stallman page has this sort of sections, but it is in some way their job. Here, it is historic I think? I agree with you that we can delete one of the "bataille Hadopi" image, I thought it was not a problem, I really think it is not, since this shows a business model for free culture, so all to say that this page is relevant in terms of encyclopedic coverage, and in many points. Well, sorry for my bad English ;) (Genium (talk) 10:43, 18 December 2011 (UTC))
- I assume you refer to the gallery Richard Stallman. That's a good example -- the difference for me is that the Stallman page is clearly a gallery as we intend it -- a collection of a wide variety of images on a single subject. The subject page has, fundamentally, only two images and a recording. While I am inclined to agree with you that it is OK, I am sufficiently unsure that I brought it here. Jim . . . . Jameslwoodward (talk to me) 10:59, 18 December 2011 (UTC)
- Yes I refer to the gallery Richard Stallman, but IMO, the same rules apply to many others like Lawrence Lessig, GNU parallel or Raúl Pateras Pescara. I mean, my feeling is that we should encourage people to contribute with pages like this one, not just categories (ie, with many formats, audio, video). And an incomplete page is the best way to produce more contributions in the future... Anyways, adding a delete request to this page 25 minutes after its creation seems really excessive to me, we could have this discussion on its talk page which is accessible from the draft flag if I understand correctly ;) (Genium (talk) 11:17, 18 December 2011 (UTC))
- I assume you refer to the gallery Richard Stallman. That's a good example -- the difference for me is that the Stallman page is clearly a gallery as we intend it -- a collection of a wide variety of images on a single subject. The subject page has, fundamentally, only two images and a recording. While I am inclined to agree with you that it is OK, I am sufficiently unsure that I brought it here. Jim . . . . Jameslwoodward (talk to me) 10:59, 18 December 2011 (UTC)
- I understand that a DR can come as a shock. Please understand that half a dozen Admins do New Page Patrol, examining all new galleries created by editors who are not autopatrollers. We see around 100 pages a day, almost all of which are deleted as out of scope -- no images, advertisements, mistakes, etc. We do not have a lot of time to spend on each one. Almost all get deleted, a very few are kept, and a tiny fraction get a DR to allow the broader community to decide.
- I should add that this is not quite as bad as it sounds -- regular contributors to Commons soon become autopatrollers, so we are looking only at newbies or very occasional contributors.
- Talk:Francis_Lalanne has no visibility at all -- there is no reason for anyone to go there. A DR is public, with lots of visitors, which is exactly what you and I want. I don't know anything about the draft flag which you mention. Jim . . . . Jameslwoodward (talk to me) 11:31, 18 December 2011 (UTC)
- I value alot the Admins contributions as yours, Talk:Francis_Lalanne appears on top of the page if we add the draft flag (umm, sorry for my bad English, not sure that flag is the correct word here, ie. the word draft inside double curly brackets { } ...) (Genium (talk) 11:40, 18 December 2011 (UTC))
- "Flag" is fine. We also say "tag", and the formal name is "template", as in Template:Draft. The purpose of {{Draft}} is to alert Admins doing New Page Patrol that the page is under construction, so that we will not delete it as an empty gallery or otherwise. Although using it adds the page to Category:Works in progress, I don't think that is much watched, so {{Draft}} doesn't help at all to get a discussion started. Jim . . . . Jameslwoodward (talk to me) 12:19, 18 December 2011 (UTC)
- I value alot the Admins contributions as yours, Talk:Francis_Lalanne appears on top of the page if we add the draft flag (umm, sorry for my bad English, not sure that flag is the correct word here, ie. the word draft inside double curly brackets { } ...) (Genium (talk) 11:40, 18 December 2011 (UTC))
- Talk:Francis_Lalanne has no visibility at all -- there is no reason for anyone to go there. A DR is public, with lots of visitors, which is exactly what you and I want. I don't know anything about the draft flag which you mention. Jim . . . . Jameslwoodward (talk to me) 11:31, 18 December 2011 (UTC)
Kept: It seems acceptable, Françis Lalanne is quite notorious in France. I'm astonished we have so few picture of him. PierreSelim (talk) 06:11, 10 May 2012 (UTC)
Copyright violation, It belongs to the official foto shooting for the klip "Ben Şarkımı Söylerken" from 2003. Arved (talk) 10:45, 18 December 2011 (UTC)
- Additional to this one, there is File:Şebnemferah3.jpg it is more recent, and also looks suspiciously like a copyright violation. But i have not found the original source yet, so i have not filed it yet for deletion. (It looks like it has been created as a promotion for the "Benim Adım Orman" album) Arved (talk) 10:55, 18 December 2011 (UTC)
Delete per nom. It's just like these images.
have to be deleted. Takabeg (talk) 04:45, 29 December 2011 (UTC)
Delete Not own work as claimed.--Abuk SABUK (talk) 20:38, 12 January 2012 (UTC)
Deleted: Copyvio PierreSelim (talk) 06:16, 10 May 2012 (UTC)
Copyright violation, It belongs to the official foto shooting for the klip "Ben Şarkımı Söylerken" from 2003. Arved (talk) 10:45, 18 December 2011 (UTC)
Delete per nom. Takabeg (talk) 10:18, 25 April 2012 (UTC)
Deleted: copyvio PierreSelim (talk) 06:17, 10 May 2012 (UTC)
Copyright violation, It belongs to the official foto shooting for the klip "Ben Şarkımı Söylerken" from 2003. Arved (talk) 10:46, 18 December 2011 (UTC)
Delete per nom. Takabeg (talk) 10:18, 25 April 2012 (UTC)
Deleted: copyvio PierreSelim (talk) 06:17, 10 May 2012 (UTC)
Insufficient permission; likely not true that this French Air Force Pic is released under a free license. The given permission is not reliable - anybody can write such warm statements with such positive effects 80.187.102.133 16:31, 18 December 2011 (UTC)
- I have no information other than that provided by the original uploader (who has not edited from that account for nearly 22 months). Finavon (talk) 17:05, 18 December 2011 (UTC)
- The permission seems OK to me. A request was made like the French Ministry of Defence asked for, see: [20], and the reply contains the name of someone on the source site.Egs (talk) 09:43, 26 January 2012 (UTC)
- Comment All of Category:Media from the French Air Force has the same problem. Jean-Fred (talk) 10:21, 10 February 2012 (UTC)
- Comment We should contact the French Air Force, and get a proper release statement through OTRS − just like we got for the French Navy. Otherwise, Delete per insufficient permission. Jean-Fred (talk) 10:21, 10 February 2012 (UTC)
- Comment per Jean-Fred, the permissision *seems* fine but it should be confirm through OTRS. Otherwise Delete. Cdlt, VIGNERON (talk) 10:40, 10 February 2012 (UTC)
- Comment See Commons:Deletion requests/Files in Category:Media from the French Air Force. Unless opposed, I shall close this DR to continue the debate on the main one. Jean-Fred (talk) 10:45, 10 February 2012 (UTC)
Kept: For now, there is a DR on the whole category of media from French Air Force PierreSelim (talk) 06:22, 10 May 2012 (UTC)
Copyright watermark in the original uploads claims copyright for 'Sivar74', not Osmar09. Not own work. Martin H. (talk) 16:41, 18 December 2011 (UTC)
Deleted: Not own work PierreSelim (talk) 06:20, 10 May 2012 (UTC)
Artist Aldo Carpi died 1973, Commons:Licensing#Italy italy has 70 years pma copyright protection for artworks. If the uploader is a heir we need a documentation of this - see COM:OTRS. Funfood ␌ 18:16, 18 December 2011 (UTC)
Deleted: PD in 2044 PierreSelim (talk) 06:30, 10 May 2012 (UTC)
this does not appear to be PD-text with all the fancy shading and the stuff behind the letters Calliopejen1 (talk) 19:45, 18 December 2011 (UTC)
- It looked simple to me, but maybe I was wrong. Note that US copyright law doesn't care about the complexity of the font. --Stefan4 (talk) 19:52, 18 December 2011 (UTC)
- It doesn't in the US. But Ocean Software is based out of the UK, so their rules are the ones we're applying, unless we have a change in policy. Magog the Ogre (talk) 20:39, 19 December 2011 (UTC)
- Sorry, I didn't notice that this was a British company. The logo needs to be deleted, at least because of Commons:When to use the PD-signature tag#UK. After it was added to Commons, it was removed from the Finnish and German Wikipedias (fi:Tiedosto:Ocean Software logo.png, de:Datei:Oceanlogo.png), so those projects might wish to undelete the logo again. --Stefan4 (talk) 21:06, 19 December 2011 (UTC)
- It doesn't in the US. But Ocean Software is based out of the UK, so their rules are the ones we're applying, unless we have a change in policy. Magog the Ogre (talk) 20:39, 19 December 2011 (UTC)
- Delete This may pass the U.S. threshold, with the sparkles and potentially shading patterns. I think it definitely exceeds the UK threshold. Carl Lindberg (talk) 15:25, 21 December 2011 (UTC)
- Yes, it is certainly more complex than the Edge logo. There's no chance that it can survive here. --Stefan4 (talk) 15:56, 21 December 2011 (UTC)
- Delete - given COM:TOO#United Kingdom. Magog the Ogre (talk) 07:22, 7 January 2012 (UTC)
Deleted: Probably not PD-text (may pass US TOO but not UK TOO) PierreSelim (talk) 06:34, 10 May 2012 (UTC)
No freedom of panorama in Ukraine. Claritas (talk) 11:59, 18 December 2011 (UTC)
Deleted: per nominator Sreejith K (talk) 20:25, 26 May 2012 (UTC)
Unlikely to be own work: small resolution, missing EXIF. EugeneZelenko (talk) 16:51, 18 December 2011 (UTC)
Deleted: Copyright violation. http://www.vasluifc.ro/fc-vaslui/stadion.html Sreejith K (talk) 20:26, 26 May 2012 (UTC)
Insurance advertising, out of scope Funfood ␌ 17:24, 18 December 2011 (UTC)
Deleted: Out of scope Sreejith K (talk) 20:27, 26 May 2012 (UTC)
Delete: Image quality is so low and out of focus that it serves no useful purpose. Impossible to identify anything other than it is football game and certainly one cannot identify the person who is supposed to be the subject of the image. Ww2censor (talk) 18:21, 18 December 2011 (UTC)
Deleted: Out of scope Sreejith K (talk) 20:32, 26 May 2012 (UTC)
slow resolution, may be not own work Ezarateesteban 19:04, 18 December 2011 (UTC)
Deleted: File name suggests web rip, possibly from facebook. Sreejith K (talk) 20:33, 26 May 2012 (UTC)
not only PD-textlogo, may be copyrighted Ezarateesteban 19:11, 18 December 2011 (UTC)
Deleted: Not simple enough to be {{PD-textlogo}}. Sreejith K (talk) 20:34, 26 May 2012 (UTC)
Blurry self-made picture, likely plain exhibitionism (COM:PORN), hence out of scope (compare file:Anal 2.jpg) Yikrazuul (talk) 16:47, 23 July 2011 (UTC)
- Delete - As per nom,
- AND ALSO, A person jamming something into his asshole is not educational.
- No benefit except for people who enjoy jamming things up their own asshole, and presumably, they already know how do do that, so they would not need a picture to educate them on how do do it.
- Very blurry photo.
- People who are really into pictures of people who enjoy jamming things up their assholes should get together and form www.jamming_things_up_asshole_apedia.com--Hold and wave (talk) 18:23, 23 July 2011 (UTC)
- Request to closing admin -- I am very disturbed by the comment pattern of this contributor. Many of this contributor's comments are identical to the above "as per nom", as in these examples: [21], [22], [23], [24], [25]. The deletion discussions are not the venue for votes. Contributors have an obligation to give reason(s) for the deletion, or keep opinions they offer. For this reason I suggest the closing admin discount this contributor's votes. Geo Swan (talk) 23:28, 24 July 2011 (UTC)
- Note, on July 27th User:Hold and wave made what I consider improper substantive edits to a comment they left on July 23rd -- without advising readers. I left a message on User talk:Hold and wave explaining to H&W what is wrong with this misleading practice. H&W deleted that comment without replying. As I explained below, since anal sex play can be a safe sex practice, images showing the practice have a serious educational value. Geo Swan (talk) 20:02, 28 July 2011 (UTC)
- Comment Blurry photo. I will vote for deletion if photos illustrating same subject in proper focus on Commons can be pointed out. Infrogmation (talk) 20:54, 24 July 2011 (UTC)
- @Geo: I am very disturbed by your comment: What should he do? Repeat my arguments word by word? "Per nom" is not unusual here. --Yikrazuul (talk) 15:37, 25 July 2011 (UTC)
- User:Yikrazuul and I exchanged multiple comments when he or she left a comment identical to that above in the recently closed Commons:Deletion requests/File:Anal 3.jpg. Basically I think Hand and wave has an obligation to offer a civil and policy-based explanation for any opinion the do not want the closing administrator to discount. -- Geo Swan (talk) 19:27, 28 July 2011 (UTC)
- @Geo: I am very disturbed by your comment: What should he do? Repeat my arguments word by word? "Per nom" is not unusual here. --Yikrazuul (talk) 15:37, 25 July 2011 (UTC)
- Keep -- In a world where sexually transmitted diseases cause millions of avoidable deaths, and millions of babies and mothers die at birth, or shortly thereafter, due to a lack of sex education, the commons should have a large and broad collection of images of all aspects of human sexuality.
We need, for instances, images of expectant mothers, of all stages of pregnancy. We need them of expectant mothers of all sizes, shapes, ages, health and ethnic group. We need images of the delivery of babies, and afterwards.
We need before and after photos showing the changes from puberty.
And we need photos showing sexual practices. We should have freely distributable images of every act in the Kama Sutra, and every act in Alex Comfort's "Joy of Sex". And of every act covered in serious journals. Sex education intended to prevent the spread of sexually transmitted requires images of sexual practices.
User:Yikrazuul has suggested, in other nominations, that images should be deleted because they suggest the uploader's intent was voyeuristic or exhibitionist. Personally, I think the uploader's intent is of little relevance, when the image is one that helps complete our broad collection of images related to human sexuality. Note this comment is a duplicate of comment from an identical nomination Yikrazuul made.
In answer to Hold and waves assertions that individuals do not need to be told how to use anal sex toys -- actually, from what I have read, there are ways to make anal sex play a safe sex technique, while careless anal sex play can be just as dangerous as coitus without a condom. Geo Swan (talk) 19:44, 28 July 2011 (UTC)
- Comment -- Under Category:Flowers we have on the order of 30,000 images. While images related to the sexual reproduction of flowering plants are important, I think images related to human sexual reproduction are even more important. Geo Swan (talk) 19:49, 28 July 2011 (UTC)
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Kept: While blurry, is educationally distinct from other photos in Category:Sexual penetrative use of dildos. – Adrignola talk 22:56, 15 September 2011 (UTC)
Delete Renomination: Bad quality. Same User has uploaded ==> Anal3.jpg That photo shows the same action in better quality. Gegensystem (talk) 16:15, 18 September 2011 (UTC)
- Keep I am frankly shocked that someone would renominate an image just 3 days after a previous nomination has been closed. Geo Swan (talk) 17:36, 18 September 2011 (UTC)
- I read the infos above. But my renomination is explictely another reason. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Gegensystem (talk • contribs)
- OK, don't keep us in suspense. What is this reason?
Please don't tell me that it is based on your misconception that you should nominate in-scope images for deletion because, in your personal opinion, a related image is superior. As I have noted in other discussions you have participated in, we have over 30,000 images of the sexual organs of plants. We don't generally delete in-scope images because some contributor thinks newer images are superior to existing images. Geo Swan (talk) 18:16, 18 September 2011 (UTC)
- OK, don't keep us in suspense. What is this reason?
- I read the infos above. But my renomination is explictely another reason. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Gegensystem (talk • contribs)
- Delete As per nominator. --Hold and wave (talk) 20:38, 19 September 2011 (UTC)
Kept - speedy close since the nomination is for exactly the same reason as the previous one which was kept less than a week ago. -mattbuck (Talk) 11:36, 22 September 2011 (UTC)
Poor quality image with no educational value. Better images of the same act exist. Chase me ladies, I'm the Cavalry (talk) 01:52, 26 October 2011 (UTC)
- This nomination claims "no educational value". I request nominator address the counter-argument that this image is of educational value in a discussion of safe sex. This nomination claims "Better images of the same act exist" -- but does not actually list any. This nomination concerns me as it is very similar to the penultimate nomination -- of just five weeks ago -- with no apparent attempt made to read the previous discussions. Geo Swan (talk) 02:08, 26 October 2011 (UTC)
- speedy keep nothing has changed from other nominations, this is an educational image and some people just nominate any sexual image for deletion. If the image is of low quality, they should be placed in Category:Images of low quality rather than deleted. Beta M (talk) 04:02, 26 October 2011 (UTC)
Speedy kept - there are no other images of males using dildos in the category, and to say "better ones exist" without actually providing any such links. As before, this is an awful awful awful photo but we really have nothing better. -mattbuck (Talk) 09:52, 26 October 2011 (UTC)
I believe COM:NOT#Commons is not your personal free web host and COM:PORN are what are required here. This is not used on any Wikimedia project, and it most certainly does not have any educational value. The uploader Xuri (talk · contribs) has only ever contributed photographs of himself inserting a sexual toy into himself, which is most definitely a case of COM:PORN. Just because it's freely licensed and there are no other photographs does not mean this image (and its brethren) need to be retained. —Ryūlóng (竜龙) 06:47, 18 December 2011 (UTC)
- Comment: I am personally requesting that User:mattbuck recuse himself from this debate, and the other debates I started on similar files, as he has closed every single one of them and none of those closures are in any way appropriate, in my opinion.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 06:55, 18 December 2011 (UTC)
- I won't close it, but you will not stop me participating in the debate. Keep per my previous closure. -mattbuck (Talk) 07:19, 18 December 2011 (UTC)
- I won't close it, but you will not stop me participating in the debate.
- Comment -- Is there a reason why this nomination has not addressed the keep arguments expressed in earlier discussions? Geo Swan (talk) 19:11, 18 December 2011 (UTC)
- Keep -- the nomination states the image "certainly" has no educational value. Alternate techniques of sexual expression are of educational scope in a world with too much sexually transmitted disease and too many unwanted pregnancies. Geo Swan (talk) 19:19, 18 December 2011 (UTC)
- You use that on all of these deletion debates (including the photograph of the man using the zucchini). Why can we not see this as a low quality image that has no educational value? There is nothing concerning STIs and unwanted pregnancies that is being taught by this photo. It is a poor quality photo of a man with a dildo in his anus, who has uploaded 3 similar photographs and then never contributed to the Wikimedia projects again.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 20:44, 18 December 2011 (UTC)
- It really helps keep the project working smoothly if we all try our best to respect the opinions of other contributors. Sprinkling your comments with "certainly", or "obviously", or other superlatives is not a substitute for advancing coherent arguments. WRT to whether this image is currently being used to educate readers about safe ways to use dildos as a safe sex technique -- are you disputing that this image could be used to illustrate techniques to use -- or avoid? That would put this image, and other similar images, in scope.
That I have used similar arguments in other discussions is no excuse for failing to address those arguments here -- particularly if you, personally, never addressed them before. Geo Swan (talk) 02:02, 19 December 2011 (UTC)
- I can respect that you have an opinion but I personally don't agree with it. The fact is this image is not used at all. It is not on any Wikimedia project other than the commons. In my opinion, it does not even have a remote use on any of the projects. I am fairly certain that there are plenty of other photographs of people using dildos, men or women, on the commons that serve a better purpose. The series of photos by Xiri do not fill that purpose, as it appears that he has only hosted these here and done nothing else.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 05:46, 19 December 2011 (UTC)
- No, if you would actually read my closures, you will see that the reason I closed as keep is because we don't have "plenty of other photographs of people using dildos, men or women, on commons that serve a better purpose". That vegetable one you're trying to get deleted? That is literally our best photo of male anal toy use, and these are our best photos of male butt plug use. As I said when closing, if we had anything better I would gladly delete them, BUT WE DON'T. THAT is why I want to keep these anal* images - not because I think they're good, I don't, I think they're horrible, but THEY ARE THE BEST WE HAVE, AND UNTIL THEY STOP BEING THE BEST WE HAVE, WE NEED TO KEEP THESE. Why is that so hard for you to understand? -mattbuck (Talk) 06:32, 19 December 2011 (UTC)
- User:Ryulong asserts we already have "plenty" of images that could illustrate the use of dildoes as a safe sex technique. I counted one day, about a year ago. We had, at that time, over thirty thousand images showing the sexual organs of flowering plants. I suggested there, and I repeat here, that human sexuality is more important topic than vegetable sexuality. If I recall correctly the only substantive counter-argument was that there were many species of flowering plants, but only one species of human. However, humans show an amazing range in how they express their sexuality -- while individual species of plants stick to just one or two techniques.
I have asked those who use the "we already have plenty" argument to be specific as where they would draw the line between just enough images, and two many images. No one who advances the "we already have plenty" argument seems interested in answering this question. But the impression I have been left with has been that the answer would always be "a lot fewer than we have now". Frankly many of the contributors who routinely voice "delete" in discussions of sexuality related images have satisfied me that they really don't have a good idea of how sparsely and unevenly covered this broad topic is. Many of those who voice "delete" opinions make pretty clear that they find images related to human sexuality personally distasteful, so they won't, haven't, actually taken a close look at the related images, prior to stating we already have "plenty" of images.
The very first discussion I remember weighing in on showed four or five images, snapped in succession, that illustrated stages of an ordinary penis going from flaccid to engorged and erect. The nomination claimed we already had "plenty" of images of penises. I had no real idea how many images we had. So I looked. We had dozens of images -- ie, less than one hundred. It won't surprise some reader that I didn't find any other images showing the stages of erection.
I am not aware of any other topic or group of related topics where anyone would argue for deletion simply based on their being a large number of exising images. Geo Swan (talk) 17:53, 15 February 2012 (UTC)
- Perhaps it is because there is an inherent difference between flowers and a human male inserting a foreign object into his rectum and it is perhaps that this particular image, made by the subject and uploader, does not quite fit within the standards this project has set forth when it comes to photographs of human sexuality, rather than the "sexuality" of plants or the sexuality of non-human animals. This would not be an issue if this photograph were not of such poor quality, because then I could presume that it has some sort of inherent educational usage. We needn't keep this user's photographs, when all of the other photographs (save the 3 others that are also at DR) he has taken of himself using a dildo on himself have since been removed from the Commons. It is outside of the scope of the project. The Commons should not be a webhost for shoddy home-made pornographic images that are in use nowhere except for when you have personally taken them and put them on another project. And if anything, there is now nothing functionally different between these photos and File:Sodomie.jpg which closed as "keep" several months ago, and that is of a much higher quality than this, as are several photographs of females using dildos for anal insertion.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 10:10, 17 February 2012 (UTC)
- I can respect that you have an opinion but I personally don't agree with it. The fact is this image is not used at all. It is not on any Wikimedia project other than the commons. In my opinion, it does not even have a remote use on any of the projects. I am fairly certain that there are plenty of other photographs of people using dildos, men or women, on the commons that serve a better purpose. The series of photos by Xiri do not fill that purpose, as it appears that he has only hosted these here and done nothing else.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 05:46, 19 December 2011 (UTC)
- It really helps keep the project working smoothly if we all try our best to respect the opinions of other contributors. Sprinkling your comments with "certainly", or "obviously", or other superlatives is not a substitute for advancing coherent arguments. WRT to whether this image is currently being used to educate readers about safe ways to use dildos as a safe sex technique -- are you disputing that this image could be used to illustrate techniques to use -- or avoid? That would put this image, and other similar images, in scope.
- You use that on all of these deletion debates (including the photograph of the man using the zucchini). Why can we not see this as a low quality image that has no educational value? There is nothing concerning STIs and unwanted pregnancies that is being taught by this photo. It is a poor quality photo of a man with a dildo in his anus, who has uploaded 3 similar photographs and then never contributed to the Wikimedia projects again.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 20:44, 18 December 2011 (UTC)
- Comment Some who voice "delete" opinions claim that images uploaded by those with an exhibitionistic intent should always be deleted. Even a stopped clock is correct, twice a day. I don't think an uploader's exhibitionistic intent should cause us to delete images that have a legitimate, in scope, educational value. I won't repeat the arguments I previously made that this image is in scope and of potential educational value. Geo Swan (talk) 19:19, 18 December 2011 (UTC)
- No comment - censorship raid. "You may wish to restate your arguments as to why the Commons should no longer host these exhibitionist photographs." Ryulong. If somebody wants to delete it: have good arguments. --Saibo (Δ) 19:20, 18 December 2011 (UTC)
- This is not a censorship raid. This is a low quality photo that has no possible educational use. And I am merely notifying a user who has had opinions on these photos that I have relisted them for deletion, when he originally proposed them. There is nothing wrong about that.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 20:44, 18 December 2011 (UTC)
- REQUEST - how about we merge the DRs for this, File:Anal 3.jpg, File:Anal 2.jpg and File:Anal3.jpg. They're pretty much the same and the same arguments will emerge for all. -mattbuck (Talk) 06:34, 19 December 2011 (UTC)
- Delete Image is out of the Commons project scope. There is no realistic educational value in keeping this image. Alpha_Quadrant (talk) 16:19, 20 December 2011 (UTC)
- Would you care to explain your reasoning to the people who have provided reasons why it is within scope? -mattbuck (Talk) 07:35, 20 December 2011 (UTC)
- The keep rationale is entirely unconvincing. There is no educational value in keeping these images. We don't keep out of scope, low quality images, just because it the best we have. None of the other Wikimedia projects will ever use this image. Therefore, it is out of the commons scope, and should be deleted. Alpha_Quadrant (talk) 16:20, 20 December 2011 (UTC)
- Keep, agree with sound judgment of Mattbuck and Geo Swan, above. -- Cirt (talk) 00:27, 13 February 2012 (UTC)
Kept as per Commons:Deletion requests/File:Anal 3.jpg russavia (talk) 16:15, 20 May 2012 (UTC)
Reason: Obscenity 90.73.237.83 10:42, 12 September 2017 (UTC)
- Keep - Commons is not censored. -mattbuck (Talk) 22:44, 12 September 2017 (UTC)
Kept: no valid reason for deletion. --Reinhard Kraasch (talk) 22:50, 12 September 2017 (UTC)
Blurry self-made picture, likely plain exhibitionism (COM:PORN), hence out of scope (compare file:Anal 2.jpg) Yikrazuul (talk) 16:48, 23 July 2011 (UTC)
- Delete - As per nom,
- AND ALSO, A person jamming something into his asshole is not educational.
- No benefit except for people who enjoy jamming things up their own asshole, and presumably, they already know how do do that, so they would not need a picture to educate them on how do do it.
- Very blurry photo.
- People who are really into pictures of people who enjoy jamming things up their assholes should get together and form www.jamming_things_up_asshole_apedia.com --Hold and wave (talk) 18:23, 23 July 2011 (UTC)
- Request to closing admin -- I am very disturbed by the comment pattern of this contributor. Many of this contributor's comments are identical to the above "as per nom", as in these examples: [26], [27], [28], [29], [30]. The deletion discussions are not the venue for votes. Contributors have an obligation to give reason(s) for the deletion, or keep opinions they offer. For this reason I suggest the closing admin discount this contributor's votes. Geo Swan (talk) 23:30, 24 July 2011 (UTC)
- I am very disturbed by your comment: What should he do? Repeat my arguments word by word? "Per nom" is not unusual here. --Yikrazuul (talk) 15:37, 25 July 2011 (UTC)
- Request to closing admin -- I am very disturbed by the comment pattern of this contributor. Many of this contributor's comments are identical to the above "as per nom", as in these examples: [26], [27], [28], [29], [30]. The deletion discussions are not the venue for votes. Contributors have an obligation to give reason(s) for the deletion, or keep opinions they offer. For this reason I suggest the closing admin discount this contributor's votes. Geo Swan (talk) 23:30, 24 July 2011 (UTC)
Kept: While blurry, is educationally distinct from other photos in Category:Sexual penetrative use of dildos. – Adrignola talk 22:56, 15 September 2011 (UTC)
Poor quality image with no educational value. Better images of the same act exist. Chase me ladies, I'm the Cavalry (talk) 01:52, 26 October 2011 (UTC)
- speedy keep nothing has changed from other nominations, this is an educational image and some people just nominate any sexual image for deletion. If the image is of low quality, they should be placed in Category:Images of low quality rather than deleted. Beta M (talk) 04:03, 26 October 2011 (UTC)
Kept: Adrignola's reasoning above stands today, as no other images of male subjects have since been uploaded. Only File:Anal2.jpg is similar, and it is arguably inferior. All other images in Category:Sexual penetrative use of dildos are of female subjects. Dcoetzee (talk) 16:43, 12 December 2011 (UTC)
I believe COM:NOT#Commons is not your personal free web host and COM:PORN are what are required here. This is not used on any Wikimedia project, and it most certainly does not have any educational value. The uploader Xuri (talk · contribs) has only ever contributed photographs of himself inserting a sexual toy into himself, which is most definitely a case of COM:PORN. Just because it's freely licensed and there are no other photographs does not mean this image (and its brethren) need to be retained. —Ryūlóng (竜龙) 06:47, 18 December 2011 (UTC)
- Comment: I am personally requesting that User:mattbuck recuse himself from this debate, and the other debates I started on similar files, as he has closed every single one of them and none of those closures are in any way appropriate, in my opinion.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 06:55, 18 December 2011 (UTC)
- I won't close it, but you will not stop me participating in the debate. Keep per my previous closure. -mattbuck (Talk) 07:19, 18 December 2011 (UTC)
- To be clear, I meant per my closure of Commons:Deletion requests/File:Anal 3.jpg - pornographic content is not a reason for deletion. Human sexuality, as Geo Swan notes, is a valid topic of educational enquiry. I accept this is a truly, truly awful photo, but we really don't have anything similar which is better. If we had a range of images showing anal toy use in high resolution that are in focus I would happily delete this - I'm all for getting rid of bad images when we have suitable replacements - but we don't. -mattbuck (Talk) 13:19, 10 February 2012 (UTC)
- I won't close it, but you will not stop me participating in the debate.
- Delete As stated here and whereelse: we don't need to keep every crap. --Yikrazuul (talk) 18:08, 18 December 2011 (UTC)
- No comment - censorship raid. "You may wish to restate your arguments as to why the Commons should no longer host these exhibitionist photographs." Ryulong. If somebody wants to delete it: have good arguments. --Saibo (Δ) 19:21, 18 December 2011 (UTC)
- This is not a censorship raid. This is a low quality photo that has no possible educational use. And I am merely notifying a user who has had opinions on these photos that I have relisted them for deletion, when he originally proposed them. There is nothing wrong about that.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 20:42, 18 December 2011 (UTC)
- Delete Image is out of the Commons project scope. There is no realistic educational value in keeping this image. Alpha_Quadrant (talk) 16:11, 20 December 2011 (UTC)
- Would you care to explain why all those people who have argued in this and the previous DRs that the image has educational value are wrong? -mattbuck (Talk) 07:48, 20 December 2011 (UTC)
- What other people? The previous deletion discussions only had one keep !vote. The first one should have closed as delete, yet was unilaterally closed as keep. Alpha_Quadrant (talk) 16:11, 20 December 2011 (UTC)
- REQUEST - how about we merge the DRs for this, File:Anal 3.jpg, File:Anal 2.jpg and File:Anal2.jpg. They're pretty much the same and the same arguments will emerge for all. -mattbuck (Talk) 06:39, 19 December 2011 (UTC)
- Works for me. Geo Swan (talk) 07:43, 19 December 2011 (UTC)
- Keep As I already noted, there are no other images of male subjects in Category:Sexual penetrative use of dildos besides these two images. The use of dildos for sexual penetration by males is clearly an educational topic worthy of illustration. The fact that we don't have a better illustration is unfortunate, but has not changed, as far as I know. Dcoetzee (talk) 06:48, 22 December 2011 (UTC)
- While that may be, there is no functional difference between a male or a female using a penetrative sex toy anally and there are higher quality photos of that on the Commons. The image is out of scope because it is not in use on any Wikipedia project and there is no functional (not hypothetical) educational use for it.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 08:22, 22 December 2011 (UTC)
- We don't delete files merely because they're not in use if there is a reasonable potential educational use for it. The claim that "there is no functional difference between a male or female using a penetrative sex toy anally" is false, because anal sex toys are used differently by males and females to indirectly stimulate different internal anatomy (e.g. prostate/G-spot, ref en:anal masturbation). Dcoetzee (talk) 07:11, 24 December 2011 (UTC)
- We don't see anything different on the outside, though.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 03:40, 25 December 2011 (UTC)
- A number of external factors differ between the male and female images, including the type and positioning of the genitalia and the angle/depth of insertion. I maintain that this image is not redundant. The female images, for example, offer no insight into how the penis must be positioned to permit anal penetration of a male. Dcoetzee (talk) 21:08, 25 December 2011 (UTC)
- We don't see anything different on the outside, though.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 03:40, 25 December 2011 (UTC)
- We don't delete files merely because they're not in use if there is a reasonable potential educational use for it. The claim that "there is no functional difference between a male or female using a penetrative sex toy anally" is false, because anal sex toys are used differently by males and females to indirectly stimulate different internal anatomy (e.g. prostate/G-spot, ref en:anal masturbation). Dcoetzee (talk) 07:11, 24 December 2011 (UTC)
- While that may be, there is no functional difference between a male or a female using a penetrative sex toy anally and there are higher quality photos of that on the Commons. The image is out of scope because it is not in use on any Wikipedia project and there is no functional (not hypothetical) educational use for it.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 08:22, 22 December 2011 (UTC)
- Keep, unique picture, educational value. -- Cirt (talk) 00:17, 13 February 2012 (UTC)
- Keep There's value in keeping more than one image of a particular subject. Commons would have a lot fewer images otherwise. Handcuffed (talk) 07:19, 19 March 2012 (UTC)
- Delete Poor quality photograph, not realistically useful for an educational purpose. We are not a free web-host for exhibitionists. --JN466 17:48, 14 April 2012 (UTC)
Kept as per Commons:Deletion requests/File:Anal 3.jpg russavia (talk) 16:14, 20 May 2012 (UTC)
Unused, low quality. Qarlap (talk) 15:47, 7 May 2021 (UTC)
- Addendum argument: This file was nominated in 2011 and determined to be kept in 2012. In the decade since, this file has seen no use.
- Potential recommendation: As a reply to to potential objections, a request may be elicited from quality contributors to produce a file like subject matter with superior quality. Qarlap (talk) 18:19, 7 May 2021 (UTC)
Deleted: per nomination. --Materialscientist (talk) 09:31, 29 May 2021 (UTC)
sexually explicit Thepoliticalmaster (talk) 13:23, 11 July 2011 (UTC)
- Comment: Commons is not censored. This is no valid reason to delete. -- RE rillke questions? 13:33, 11 July 2011 (UTC)
- Delete I agree with Rillke, the fact that it is explicit is no reason to delete. However, I see no educational use for the file and it is not used on any wiki. Seems more like the uploader got a kick out of putting a naked picture of themselves online. MacMed (talk) 17:06, 11 July 2011 (UTC)
- They are low res, blurred, and the exif is somewhat weird... What is this, cell phone images? I thought they could be stills from a video, but they may be legit after all.-- Darwin Ahoy! 17:17, 11 July 2011 (UTC)
- Delete - Out of scope. I agree with MacMed. - Taketa (talk) 19:21, 11 July 2011 (UTC)
- Keep because of the deletion rationale Thepoliticalmaster gave. And: please show me a broad set of pictures of the same setting/objects for replacement. --Saibo (Δ) 22:04, 12 July 2011 (UTC)
- Delete - Out of scope. No educational use for the file. --Hold and wave (talk) 19:59, 19 July 2011 (UTC)
- Delete Again a useless self-made photo with no educational scope. --Yikrazuul (talk) 16:18, 23 July 2011 (UTC)
Kept: Pornographic content is not a reason for deletion. Human sexuality is a valid topic of educational enquiry. I accept this is a truly, truly awful photo, but we really don't have anything similar which is better. If we had a range of images showing anal toy use in high resolution that are in focus I would happily delete this - I'm all for getting rid of bad images when we have suitable replacements - but we don't. -mattbuck (Talk) 02:16, 1 August 2011 (UTC)
Delete Bad quality. Same User has uploaded File:Anal3.jpg That photo shows the same action in better quality. Gegensystem (talk) 16:13, 18 September 2011 (UTC)
- Keep - per my previous closure, and I really would not call File:Anal3.jpg "better" quality. -mattbuck (Talk) 16:21, 18 September 2011 (UTC)
- Delete As per nominator. --Hold and wave (talk) 20:39, 19 September 2011 (UTC)
- Please explain in what manner File:Anal3.jpg is a better image. -mattbuck (Talk) 22:18, 19 September 2011 (UTC)
- Keep As not per nominator. -- ／人◕ ‿‿ ◕人＼ 苦情処理係 20:46, 19 September 2011 (UTC)
- Keep unique photo. Not similar to the replacement proposed by the OP. --Saibo (Δ) 01:34, 24 September 2011 (UTC)
Deleted - not educational usefull, so out of scope, as has been pointed out by sufficient users in the first DR - nudism is by itself not a reason to delete a file, but also isn't by itself a reason to keep like some seem to think - Jcb (talk) 13:58, 19 October 2011 (UTC)
And here it is: Commons:Undeletion_requests/Current_requests#File:Anal_2.jpg --Saibo (Δ) 16:26, 19 October 2011 (UTC)
I believe COM:NOT#Commons is not your personal free web host and COM:PORN are what are required here. This is not used on any Wikimedia project, and it most certainly does not have any educational value. The uploader Xuri (talk · contribs) has only ever contributed photographs of himself inserting a sexual toy into himself, which is most definitely a case of COM:PORN. Just because it's freely licensed and there are no other photographs does not mean this image (and its brethren) need to be retained. —Ryūlóng (竜龙) 06:48, 18 December 2011 (UTC)
- Comment: I am personally requesting that User:mattbuck recuse himself from this debate, and the other debates I started on similar files, as he has closed every single one of them and none of those closures are in any way appropriate, in my opinion.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 06:54, 18 December 2011 (UTC)
- I won't close it, but you will not stop me participating in the debate. Keep per my previous closure. -mattbuck (Talk) 07:19, 18 December 2011 (UTC)
- I won't close it, but you will not stop me participating in the debate.
- Delete As stated before and the deciding admin: not educational usefull. --Yikrazuul (talk) 18:11, 18 December 2011 (UTC)
- Comment - this was undeleted 2 days ago. -mattbuck (Talk) 18:36, 18 December 2011 (UTC)
- I doubt it should have.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 20:42, 18 December 2011 (UTC)
- No comment - censorship raid. "You may wish to restate your arguments as to why the Commons should no longer host these exhibitionist photographs." Ryulong. If somebody wants to delete it: have good arguments. --Saibo (Δ) 19:21, 18 December 2011 (UTC)
- This is not a censorship raid. This is a low quality photo that has no possible educational use. And I am merely notifying a user who has had opinions on these photos that I have relisted them for deletion, when he originally proposed them. There is nothing wrong about that.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 20:42, 18 December 2011 (UTC)
- Low quality doesn't make it useless. The quality is still good enough to use it in educational context. Therefore i can't see any valid reason why this file should be deleted. Keep -- ／人◕ ‿‿ ◕人＼ 苦情処理係 22:28, 18 December 2011 (UTC)
- What is the educational context exactly?—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 23:45, 18 December 2011 (UTC)
- As explained to you ad nauseam elsewhere, human sexuality is a valid educational pursuit, including the use of anal toys. I hope I will be able to upload high quality photos of it in the new year... I'm guessing you'll tell me those should be deleted too. -mattbuck (Talk) 06:39, 19 December 2011 (UTC)
- What is the educational context exactly?—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 23:45, 18 December 2011 (UTC)
- Low quality doesn't make it useless. The quality is still good enough to use it in educational context. Therefore i can't see any valid reason why this file should be deleted.
- This is not a censorship raid. This is a low quality photo that has no possible educational use. And I am merely notifying a user who has had opinions on these photos that I have relisted them for deletion, when he originally proposed them. There is nothing wrong about that.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 20:42, 18 December 2011 (UTC)
- REQUEST - how about we merge the DRs for this, File:Anal 3.jpg, File:Anal2.jpg and File:Anal3.jpg. They're pretty much the same and the same arguments will emerge for all. -mattbuck (Talk) 06:39, 19 December 2011 (UTC)
- Delete Image is out of the Commons project scope. There is no realistic educational value in keeping this image. Alpha_Quadrant (talk) 04:11, 20 December 2011 (UTC)
- Do you actually read others' statements. I refer you to my previous closure...
- Pornographic content is not a reason for deletion. Human sexuality is a valid topic of educational enquiry. I accept this is a truly, truly awful photo, but we really don't have anything similar which is better. If we had a range of images showing anal toy use in high resolution that are in focus I would happily delete this - I'm all for getting rid of bad images when we have suitable replacements - but we don't.
- -mattbuck (Talk) 07:34, 20 December 2011 (UTC)
- The lack of a suitable replacement is not a good enough reason when the photos don't fall within the scope in the first place.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 20:50, 20 December 2011 (UTC)
- If something may be usable in educational context it is very well in scope. This picture can _definetly_ be used in educational context. You should just stop to play stupid and innocent. It doesn't help the project. -- ／人◕ ‿‿ ◕人＼ 苦情処理係 02:38, 21 December 2011 (UTC)
- I believe Ottava Rima makes a good point on one of the other debates. There is no proof that this is educational. There is only a hypothesis that it could be educational.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 04:22, 21 December 2011 (UTC)
- Please stop the trolling. Proof it that this picture (clicked on random) has educational value. Then we might talk. -- ／人◕ ‿‿ ◕人＼ 苦情処理係 14:10, 21 December 2011 (UTC)
- It's a photograph of the interior of the European Parliament which is in use on several language projects to depict the European Parliament. Again, it's being used which means it meets the scope of the project.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 02:40, 22 December 2011 (UTC)
- I did not ask if this image is in scope! I asked you to proof that it is educational. That an image is inside an article is not a proof, at least not such a proof that you requested inside your previous comment. So I am waiting for you to proof it. Alternatively you could withdraw your blatant statement, if you think that the Picture of the Parliament has educational value, while not beeing able to proof it. ;-) -- ／人◕ ‿‿ ◕人＼ 苦情処理係 04:33, 22 December 2011 (UTC)
- Feasibly someone wants to know what the inside of the European Parliament looks like because the Wikipedia projects cover the subject of the European Parliament. And all of the photos on the articles on dildos are of the objects not in use. There is no educational value in showing that someone has inserted the object into himself or herself because most of the projects don't teach usage as these photos intend to depict.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 08:15, 22 December 2011 (UTC)
- This is really funny. Now you claim that only images used inside articles would have any value and you speak about "most projects". No proof here and a single project would be enough. I see only rage against "offending content", vague argumentation attempts and but nothing that would speak for a deletion in itself. Have a nice christmas, I'm out of this unnecessary conversation which is below any threshold. -- ／人◕ ‿‿ ◕人＼ 苦情処理係 17:43, 22 December 2011 (UTC)
- I'd just like to comment here that we don't even require that one project be able to use it: Wikimedia projects are not the entirety of education, and we have certain practices which may discourage the use of images like these, whereas in the wider world they would be more useful. I've had people use my flickr photos for things where they would simply never be used on Wikimedia projects. -mattbuck (Talk) 19:04, 24 December 2011 (UTC)
- This is really funny. Now you claim that only images used inside articles would have any value and you speak about "most projects". No proof here and a single project would be enough. I see only rage against "offending content", vague argumentation attempts and but nothing that would speak for a deletion in itself. Have a nice christmas, I'm out of this unnecessary conversation which is below any threshold. -- ／人◕ ‿‿ ◕人＼ 苦情処理係 17:43, 22 December 2011 (UTC)
- Feasibly someone wants to know what the inside of the European Parliament looks like because the Wikipedia projects cover the subject of the European Parliament. And all of the photos on the articles on dildos are of the objects not in use. There is no educational value in showing that someone has inserted the object into himself or herself because most of the projects don't teach usage as these photos intend to depict.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 08:15, 22 December 2011 (UTC)
- I did not ask if this image is in scope! I asked you to proof that it is educational. That an image is inside an article is not a proof, at least not such a proof that you requested inside your previous comment. So I am waiting for you to proof it. Alternatively you could withdraw your blatant statement, if you think that the Picture of the Parliament has educational value, while not beeing able to proof it. ;-) -- ／人◕ ‿‿ ◕人＼ 苦情処理係 04:33, 22 December 2011 (UTC)
- It's a photograph of the interior of the European Parliament which is in use on several language projects to depict the European Parliament. Again, it's being used which means it meets the scope of the project.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 02:40, 22 December 2011 (UTC)
- Please stop the trolling. Proof it that this picture (clicked on random) has educational value. Then we might talk. -- ／人◕ ‿‿ ◕人＼ 苦情処理係 14:10, 21 December 2011 (UTC)
- I believe Ottava Rima makes a good point on one of the other debates. There is no proof that this is educational. There is only a hypothesis that it could be educational.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 04:22, 21 December 2011 (UTC)
- If something may be usable in educational context it is very well in scope. This picture can _definetly_ be used in educational context. You should just stop to play stupid and innocent. It doesn't help the project. -- ／人◕ ‿‿ ◕人＼ 苦情処理係 02:38, 21 December 2011 (UTC)
- The lack of a suitable replacement is not a good enough reason when the photos don't fall within the scope in the first place.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 20:50, 20 December 2011 (UTC)
- Do you actually read others' statements. I refer you to my previous closure...
- Keep, agree with analysis by Niabot, and Mattbuck, above. -- Cirt (talk) 00:26, 13 February 2012 (UTC)
Deleted as per Commons:Deletion requests/File:Anal 3.jpg russavia (talk) 16:16, 20 May 2012 (UTC)
Out of scope Gbawden (talk) 06:48, 29 May 2014 (UTC)
- Delete - low quality. -mattbuck (Talk) 16:37, 29 May 2014 (UTC)
deleted: Natuur12 (talk) 18:43, 9 June 2014 (UTC)
sexually explicit Thepoliticalmaster (talk) 13:23, 11 July 2011 (UTC)
- Comment: Commons is not censored. This is no valid reason to delete. -- RE rillke questions? 13:34, 11 July 2011 (UTC)
- Keep because of the deletion rationale Thepoliticalmaster gave. And: please show me a broad set of pictures of the same setting/objects for replacement. --Saibo (Δ) 22:05, 12 July 2011 (UTC)
Kept, Commons is not censored. MacMed (talk) 01:51, 19 July 2011 (UTC)
Blurry self-made picture, likely plain exhibitionism (COM:PORN), hence out of scope (compare file:Anal 2.jpg) Yikrazuul (talk) 16:49, 23 July 2011 (UTC)
- Delete - As per nom. --Hold and wave (talk) 18:22, 23 July 2011 (UTC)
- AND ALSO, A person jamming something into his asshole is not educational.
- No benefit except for people who enjoy jamming things up their own asshole, and presumably, they already know how do do that, so they would not need a picture to educate them on how do do it.
- Very blurry photo.
- People who are really into pictures of people who enjoy jamming things up their assholes should get together and form www.jamming_things_up_asshole_apedia.com -- — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hold and wave (talk • contribs) 15:55, 27 July 2011
- Request to closing admin -- I am very disturbed by the comment pattern of this contributor. Many of this contributor's comments are identical to the above "as per nom", as in these examples: [31], [32], [33], [34], [35]. The deletion discussions are not the venue for votes. Contributors have an obligation to give reason(s) for the deletion, or keep opinions they offer. For this reason I suggest the closing admin discount this contributor's votes. Geo Swan (talk) 23:25, 24 July 2011 (UTC)
- Keep per nom. Censor Commons - go! --Saibo (Δ) 19:56, 24 July 2011 (UTC)
- @Geo: I am very disturbed by your comment: What should he do? Repeat my arguments word by word? "Per nom" is not unusual here.
- childish comments ("Censor Commons") does not reflect the truth. --Yikrazuul (talk) 15:39, 25 July 2011 (UTC)
- No, a word for word repeat would be disruptive.
His or her comment should add enough to show he or she actually understood the arguments at issue. When contributors show up, and merely leave a "per nom" this puts a totally unnecessary strain on the ability of the rest of us to assume good faith. A "per nom" response could be a response to a vote solicitation. A "per nom" response could be meat puppetry. When a contributor does not leave a "per nom" response, but rather drafts new response, in their own words, it suggests their response is genuine, and that they do understand the position they advocate. Maybe you haven't noticed, but User:Hold and wave has skipped most of the deletion discussions, and has preferentially chosen to leave "per nom" comments to support nominations you have made.
I am not suggesting you solicited H&W's support. I am not suggesting H&W is your meat-puppet. I can, if necessary, assume the appearance of meat-puppetry is a long series of unfortunate coincidences. However, H&W's ongoing behaviour that suggests meat-puppetry can be easily halted. All H&W would have to do would be to only leave comments in deletion discussions where they were ready and able to draft brand new comments where they put their explanation for their opinion in their own words. I can and will do my best to assume good faith on the part of other contributors -- but I would strongly prefer to husband my ability to assume good faith for when it is necessary, and not have it squandered on contributors who can't or won't make the effort to avoid the appearance of questionable behaviour.
Yes, while most contributors always avoid leaving "per nom" responses. some other contributors do occasionally leave "per nom" responses. However, I can't remember coming across another contributor who always leaves "per nom" responses, preferentially doing so to support the deletion nominations of a single nominator.
I would encourage all closing administrators to ignore all "per nom" comments in every single case, even when the contributor only occasionally uses "per nom". Geo Swan (talk) 18:23, 26 July 2011 (UTC)
- So, if one votes for "keep" by "per nom" than it is ok, but not the other way round?
- "I am not suggesting H&W is your meat-puppet." is similar to "I am not suggesting that you are a dick". If you don't suggest anything, then do not write or say it. However, if you assume good faith, maybe we should think about that some users are not very good in English orwhatsoever (also donna know why H&W is not writing much). --Yikrazuul (talk) 18:31, 26 July 2011 (UTC)
- Of course no one votes "'keep' by 'per nom'" in a deletion discussion, because nominators have always advocated deletion. Some contributors might state, "keep, per Joe Blow", where Joe Blow had previously offered a keep opinion. In answer to your question, of course I meant closing administrators should discount all opinions that are of a mere "per xxx" form.
Yes some contributors have an imperfect mastery of English. I had a couple of very good friends, in University, intelligent fellows, who were native speakers of English, who nevertheless had imperfect mastery of English due to dyslexia. Imperfect English is not a sign someone is not intelligent. I do my best to understand what my correspondents really mean. But, practically speaking, I suggest individuals who want to contribute here, who can't really explain themselves, should probably contribute by engaging in tasks that do not require explaining themselves.
With regard to your comparison as to whether suggestions someone "is a dick", and whether someone does or doesn't use meatpuppets I was or wasn't suggesting H&W is your meatpuppet. Note, I already said I would assume the appearance of meatpuppetry was due to a series of unfortunate coincidences. Because I noticed you acknowledge you are not a native speaker of English I decided, as a courtesy to you to explicitly clarify I was not suggesting you were a meatpuppetmaster. However, I don't believe there is any question that H&W's preferential choice of nominations you made, following your nomination, within a few hours, with the exact same “as per nom” comment, over and over again, does require anyone who notices to exercise a considerable measure of their reserve of good faith. And all this would be unnecessary if H&W left meaningful comments that showed they understood the issues at question. Geo Swan (talk) 16:01, 27 July 2011 (UTC)
- Of course no one votes "'keep' by 'per nom'" in a deletion discussion, because nominators have always advocated deletion. Some contributors might state, "keep, per Joe Blow", where Joe Blow had previously offered a keep opinion. In answer to your question, of course I meant closing administrators should discount all opinions that are of a mere "per xxx" form.
- No, a word for word repeat would be disruptive.
- Keep -- In a world where sexually transmitted diseases cause millions of avoidable deaths, and millions of babies and mothers die at birth, or shortly thereafter, due to a lack of sex education, the commons should have a large and broad collection of images of all aspects of human sexuality.
We need, for instances, images of expectant mothers, of all stages of pregnancy. We need them of expectant mothers of all sizes, shapes, ages, health and ethnic group. We need images of the delivery of babies, and afterwards.
We need before and after photos showing the changes from puberty.
And we need photos showing sexual practices. We should have freely distributable images of every act in the Kama Sutra, and every act in Alex Comfort's "Joy of Sex". And of every act covered in serious journals. Sex education intended to prevent the spread of sexually transmitted requires images of sexual practices.
User:Yikrazuul has suggested, in other nominations, that images should be deleted because they suggest the uploader's intent was voyeuristic or exhibitionist. Personally, I think the uploader's intent is of little relevance, when the image is one that helps complete our broad collection of images related to human sexuality. Geo Swan (talk) 19:04, 26 July 2011 (UTC)
- Question for Geo Swan- How does a picture on wiki commons of a person jamming something into his asshole help "millions of avoidable deaths" and prevent "millions of babies and mothers die at birth"? What does a man inserting something into his rectum have to do with "expectant mothers of all sizes, shapes, ages, health and ethnic group"? What lesson on human sexuality "intended to prevent the spread of sexually transmitted" does asshole jamming of foreign objects teach? Please educate me on how taking a random household item and putting up your ass prevents sexually transmitted diseases? Could you please list just one credible source that would attest to this. If it is true, then they must be sources out there, maybe the National Institute of Health, maybe Harvard University? Just give me one source to support your "jam stuff in your asshole to save a life" and the need to spread the word on wiki commons about this theory. --Hold and wave (talk) 20:54, 27 July 2011 (UTC)
- As I responded here, this search, which it would have been trivial for you to perform yourself, shows there are many references which address the use of sex toys as a safe sex technique.
- Images of anal sex toys aren't directly related to safe childbirth etc. But they are part of the broad range of images related to human sexuality necessary if the commons is going to provide the broad collection of images required for the best kind of encyclopedic coverage of human sexuality. Geo Swan (talk) 00:34, 1 August 2011 (UTC)
- Question for Geo Swan- How does a picture on wiki commons of a person jamming something into his asshole help "millions of avoidable deaths" and prevent "millions of babies and mothers die at birth"? What does a man inserting something into his rectum have to do with "expectant mothers of all sizes, shapes, ages, health and ethnic group"? What lesson on human sexuality "intended to prevent the spread of sexually transmitted" does asshole jamming of foreign objects teach? Please educate me on how taking a random household item and putting up your ass prevents sexually transmitted diseases? Could you please list just one credible source that would attest to this. If it is true, then they must be sources out there, maybe the National Institute of Health, maybe Harvard University? Just give me one source to support your "jam stuff in your asshole to save a life" and the need to spread the word on wiki commons about this theory. --Hold and wave (talk) 20:54, 27 July 2011 (UTC)
- Strong Delete per Yikrazuul and per Hold and wave -- George Chernilevsky talk 16:10, 30 July 2011 (UTC)
- Strong Delete per GeoSwan (who, as his justification clearly suggests wanted to vote delete, as well, as there is not a snowball's chance in hell that while making such a justification, anyone would vote to keep this photo). Łukasz Wolf Golowanow (talk) 00:56, 1 August 2011 (UTC)
- Please remember contributors are not supposed to vote in these discussions. Contributors are supposed to offer a reason for their opinion. Please note you haven't offered a reason for your opinion. If I understand the closing administrator's role properly, they are supposed to discount opinions which don't offer without any policy-based reasoning. No offense, but I am afraid you should be concerned that the closing administrator will feel they have an obligation to discount your opinion. Geo Swan (talk) 01:16, 1 August 2011 (UTC)
Kept - pornographic content is not a reason for deletion. Human sexuality, as Geo Swan notes, is a valid topic of educational enquiry. I accept this is a truly, truly awful photo, but we really don't have anything similar which is better. If we had a range of images showing anal toy use in high resolution that are in focus I would happily delete this - I'm all for getting rid of bad images when we have suitable replacements - but we don't. -mattbuck (Talk) 02:15, 1 August 2011 (UTC)
Poor quality image with no educational value. Better images of the same act exist. Chase me ladies, I'm the Cavalry (talk) 01:53, 26 October 2011 (UTC)
- This nomination claims "no educational value". I request nominator address the counter-argument that this image is of educational value in a discussion of safe sex. This nomination claims "Better images of the same act exist" -- but does not actually list any. This nomination concerns me as it is very similar to the previous nomination, with no apparent attempt made to read the previous discussions. Geo Swan (talk) 02:06, 26 October 2011 (UTC)
- speedy keep nothing has changed from other nominations, this is an educational image and some people just nominate any sexual image for deletion. If the image is of low quality, they should be placed in Category:Images of low quality rather than deleted. Beta M (talk) 04:04, 26 October 2011 (UTC)
Speedy kept - there are no other images of males using dildos in the category, and to say "better ones exist" without actually providing any such links is bordering on deceptive. As before, this is an awful awful awful photo but we really have nothing better. -mattbuck (Talk) 09:55, 26 October 2011 (UTC)
I believe COM:NOT#Commons is not your personal free web host and COM:PORN are what are required here. This is not used on any Wikimedia project, and it most certainly does not have any educational value. The uploader Xuri (talk · contribs) has only ever contributed photographs of himself inserting a sexual toy into himself, which is most definitely a case of COM:PORN. Just because it's freely licensed and there are no other photographs does not mean this image (and its brethren) need to be retained.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 06:49, 18 December 2011 (UTC)
- Comment: I am personally requesting that User:mattbuck recuse himself from this debate, and the other debates I started on similar files, as he has closed every single one of them and none of those closures are in any way appropriate, in my opinion.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 06:59, 18 December 2011 (UTC)
- I won't close it, but you will not stop me participating in the debate. Keep per my previous closure. -mattbuck (Talk) 07:19, 18 December 2011 (UTC)
- I won't close it, but you will not stop me participating in the debate.
- Speedy keep. No facts have changed. It's appropriate to request that a person who participates doesn't close, but not that some person doesn't participate. VolodyA! V Anarhist (converse) 11:03, 18 December 2011 (UTC)
- I worded myself wrong. And the fact is that this is still a low quality image that is never going to be used by any project. And in one of the previous deletion debates there was actually a supermajority on removing this photograph from the project, a fact that mattbuck appears to have initially ingored in the debate.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 12:36, 18 December 2011 (UTC)
- It's not only about majority. It's about expanding the debate and bringing up points. Suppose there are 15 people which vote delete with just a phrase "not educational" and 1 person who explains the educational use, that is (at least to me) clearly a vote that should be closed as keep. For example in this debate nobody has yet explained why it is not educational (although it was stated). Your use of COM:PORN has been disproven, since it does add to the category something useful to the category, and the fact that the uploader only contributed these images is irrelevant, there is no rule stating that your contributions must vary or that you must contribute something that you don't want to. VolodyA! V Anarhist (converse) 13:52, 18 December 2011 (UTC)
- I worded myself wrong. And the fact is that this is still a low quality image that is never going to be used by any project. And in one of the previous deletion debates there was actually a supermajority on removing this photograph from the project, a fact that mattbuck appears to have initially ingored in the debate.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 12:36, 18 December 2011 (UTC)
- Delete As stated above: this is out of scope, sole Exhibitionism, and with horrible quality of self-made crap. --Yikrazuul (talk) 18:06, 18 December 2011 (UTC)
- Quality may be an issue if it was so bad to be unusable (it isn't) and if we had a better quality replacement (we don't). It is within scope, as has been argued many many times, and exhibitionism isn't really a reason for deletion. -mattbuck (Talk) 18:38, 18 December 2011 (UTC)
- There is a series of photos of a woman doing the exact same act and they are of a much higher quality. The fact that Xuri has a scrotum doesn't make anal penetration via dildo any different.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 08:23, 19 December 2011 (UTC)
- If you were doing an article on male masturbation, it kind of makes a difference. -mattbuck (Talk) 09:04, 19 December 2011 (UTC)
- I don't think you'll find a set of articles on both forms of masturbation when divided by the sex of the masturbator. But surely someone could make a better photo than Xuri.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 20:30, 19 December 2011 (UTC)
- We don't just serve en.wp, we provide educational images for anyone who wants them. If someone wants to write a book "how to masturbate. For men", then that's their perogative. And yes, someone could make a better photo. However, as yet we haven't got one, so until we do we need to keep this one. -mattbuck (Talk) 21:20, 19 December 2011 (UTC)
- I don't think you'll find a set of articles on both forms of masturbation when divided by the sex of the masturbator. But surely someone could make a better photo than Xuri.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 20:30, 19 December 2011 (UTC)
- If you were doing an article on male masturbation, it kind of makes a difference. -mattbuck (Talk) 09:04, 19 December 2011 (UTC)
- There is a series of photos of a woman doing the exact same act and they are of a much higher quality. The fact that Xuri has a scrotum doesn't make anal penetration via dildo any different.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 08:23, 19 December 2011 (UTC)
- Quality may be an issue if it was so bad to be unusable (it isn't) and if we had a better quality replacement (we don't). It is within scope, as has been argued many many times, and exhibitionism isn't really a reason for deletion. -mattbuck (Talk) 18:38, 18 December 2011 (UTC)
- No comment - censorship raid. "You may wish to restate your arguments as to why the Commons should no longer host these exhibitionist photographs." Ryulong. If somebody wants to delete it: have good arguments. --Saibo (Δ) 19:21, 18 December 2011 (UTC)
- This is not a censorship raid. This is a low quality photo that has no possible educational use. And I am merely notifying a user who has had opinions on these photos that I have relisted them for deletion, when he originally proposed them. There is nothing wrong about that.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 20:41, 18 December 2011 (UTC)
- This is out of order. By all rules of Commons if you wish to encourage participation you do so without picking specific individuals to do vote stuffing. First there is a deliverate attempt to only invite people who voted delete, then there is an attempt to pressure mattbuck from voting at all. Is there anybody who does not see what is happening? Wikimedia Commons is not your private filehost, you do not have the final word on whether an image is good or bad, whether or not you have been convinced by the previous deletion requests' arguments is irrelevant. This file was within scope and no facts have changed since. VolodyA! V Anarhist (converse) 03:50, 19 December 2011 (UTC)
- I've only contacted one person. How is that inappropriate (particularly when it seems that everyone else is finding the debate just fine)? And I did not mean to pressure mattbuck from voting. I just did not want him to close it, as he has done to every single one of these. And what the fuck does it not being my private filehost have to do with things? This is, in my opinion, not an image that has any use on the commons, particularly when it was used solely for exhibition. Why should copyright and a vague decision that it could be useful by such a minority in the Commons community mean these photos are to be kept?—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 05:29, 19 December 2011 (UTC)
- This is out of order. By all rules of Commons if you wish to encourage participation you do so without picking specific individuals to do vote stuffing. First there is a deliverate attempt to only invite people who voted delete, then there is an attempt to pressure mattbuck from voting at all. Is there anybody who does not see what is happening? Wikimedia Commons is not your private filehost, you do not have the final word on whether an image is good or bad, whether or not you have been convinced by the previous deletion requests' arguments is irrelevant. This file was within scope and no facts have changed since. VolodyA! V Anarhist (converse) 03:50, 19 December 2011 (UTC)
- This is not a censorship raid. This is a low quality photo that has no possible educational use. And I am merely notifying a user who has had opinions on these photos that I have relisted them for deletion, when he originally proposed them. There is nothing wrong about that.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 20:41, 18 December 2011 (UTC)
- REQUEST - how about we merge the DRs for this, File:Anal2.jpg, File:Anal 2.jpg and File:Anal3.jpg. They're pretty much the same and the same arguments will emerge for all. -mattbuck (Talk) 06:37, 19 December 2011 (UTC)
- Support merge - if there is a mass attempt at purging based on personal tastes, it would be better to have a reasonable single discussion in one place. I have no intention of giving boiler plate opinions on every DR when one contributor goes on a binge poorly supported by policy and repetitively insists it is not a raid. --Fæ (talk) 22:42, 19 December 2011 (UTC)
- If it was really a raid, would I only be going after these 6 files? This set of photos is poor in quality. The other ones I've proposed deletion for are poor in taste. For one thing, all of his other photos are deleted for similar reasons. The only reason these have been kept are because of mattbuck, Saibo, and Geo Swan.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 03:55, 20 December 2011 (UTC)
- Yes, the only reason these were kept was because these people (btw, you forgot me) have come up with reasons why these images should be kept. And because there were people who came up with these reasons, you have nominated these images for deletion. I would like to hear more about the way your mind works, i believe that would be very educational. VolodyA! V Anarhist (converse) 04:12, 20 December 2011 (UTC)
- You're right. I did forget you. And I do not find the arguments the four of you put forward very convincing as to why this photo, when a majority of the others that Xuri took of himself were deleted for similar reasons, has been so vehemently defended.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 05:14, 20 December 2011 (UTC)
- Probably because people like you came along with a "seen one tree seen them all" attitude and deleted them. -mattbuck (Talk) 07:49, 20 December 2011 (UTC)
- Ryulong, you have claimed more than once that the photograph is of the uploader, Xuri. What is this based on? I can see no such statement with the image information. --Fæ (talk) 08:58, 20 December 2011 (UTC)
- You're right. I did forget you. And I do not find the arguments the four of you put forward very convincing as to why this photo, when a majority of the others that Xuri took of himself were deleted for similar reasons, has been so vehemently defended.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 05:14, 20 December 2011 (UTC)
- Yes, the only reason these were kept was because these people (btw, you forgot me) have come up with reasons why these images should be kept. And because there were people who came up with these reasons, you have nominated these images for deletion. I would like to hear more about the way your mind works, i believe that would be very educational. VolodyA! V Anarhist (converse) 04:12, 20 December 2011 (UTC)
- If it was really a raid, would I only be going after these 6 files? This set of photos is poor in quality. The other ones I've proposed deletion for are poor in taste. For one thing, all of his other photos are deleted for similar reasons. The only reason these have been kept are because of mattbuck, Saibo, and Geo Swan.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 03:55, 20 December 2011 (UTC)
- Support merge - if there is a mass attempt at purging based on personal tastes, it would be better to have a reasonable single discussion in one place. I have no intention of giving boiler plate opinions on every DR when one contributor goes on a binge poorly supported by policy and repetitively insists it is not a raid. --Fæ (talk) 22:42, 19 December 2011 (UTC)
- Delete Image is out of the Commons project scope. There is no realistic educational value in keeping this image. Alpha_Quadrant (talk) 04:10, 20 December 2011 (UTC)
- Keep In scope, the image has potential educational value and I have yet to see anyone point to a better quality image that would be used. I am disappointed at the rush of pointless non-policy based opinions (such as "exhibitionism") and personal attacks in these related deletion review discussions. --Fæ (talk) 09:04, 20 December 2011 (UTC)
- Keep, good educational value. -- Cirt (talk) 00:24, 13 February 2012 (UTC)
- Keep Quality is good enough. Handcuffed (talk) 07:17, 19 March 2012 (UTC)
- Delete poor quality, unused, little or no educational value. --JN466 17:27, 6 April 2012 (UTC)
- Keep Good enough to illustrate the subject. You don't like it? Don't look at it, don't use it, but let others do if they want to. --／人◕ ‿‿ ◕人＼ 署名の宣言 17:51, 14 April 2012 (UTC)
- Delete Poor quality image with no educational value (due to blurriness and poor lighting). Better images of the same act exist. Chase me ladies, I'm the Cavalry (talk) 23:37, 4 May 2012 (UTC)
- If you'd read the DR you'd see that there are no similar images. These bad quality images are the only ones we have of male dildo use. -mattbuck (Talk) 00:06, 5 May 2012 (UTC)
- Keep -- No one has offered a convincing new reason why I should change my mind. If, for the sake of argument, an image was snapped with an exhibitionist intent, doesn't really matter, if the image is in scope. I believe the image is in scope. Geo Swan (talk) 00:46, 5 May 2012 (UTC)
This close related not only to this DR, but also to the following:
- Commons:Deletion requests/File:Anal3.jpg
- Commons:Deletion requests/File:Anal2.jpg
- Commons:Deletion requests/File:Anal 2.jpg
Human sexuality is a topic which is educational in nature (so therefore in scope), and for which we obviously require media to illustrate. As noted these are the only photos we have of male dildo use; they are poor quality we can all agree, but for the moment they are all that we have. Until someone supplies good quality photos, we have to ask ourselves whether we need to keep these images. The policy-based consensus in this discussion is that yes we do need to keep them, as we allow editors on other projects choose which media to use for their articles, etc.
So I am going to close these discussions as such:
- File:Anal 3.jpg is being kept
- File:Anal3.jpg is being kept
- File:Anal2.jpg is being kept
- File:Anal 2.jpg is being deleted
The first three photos are somewhat different. The last is similar to the second..
This is likely to make no-one happy, but I think thad 'il do. russavia (talk) 16:12, 20 May 2012 (UTC)
No notability ; no encyclopedic value ; out of scope Civa (talk) 17:54, 19 March 2011 (UTC)
Kept: Google turns up sufficient evidence of notability for our rather low standard. Jim . . . . Jameslwoodward (talk to me) 14:29, 26 March 2011 (UTC)
Personal image, but no use ; no notability Civa (talk) 06:44, 1 May 2011 (UTC)
- Keep OK I found him on Google. He is a scientist in India --Civa (talk) 12:43, 1 May 2011 (UTC)
Kept, Recently kept by admin, nominator is in favor of keeping, see no reason why this should wait a week. Taketa (talk) 14:11, 1 May 2011 (UTC)
Low quality photograph of a non-notable person. Out of the commons project scope. Alpha_Quadrant (talk) 17:47, 18 December 2011 (UTC)
Kept - Dr.A.B.Rajib Hazarika is a notable personality as per Google results. --Sreejith K (talk) 20:30, 26 May 2012 (UTC)
špatné vložení Zdeněk Ada (talk) 10:12, 18 December 2011 (UTC)
Deleted: Uploader's request Pymouss Let’s talk - 22:22, 28 May 2012 (UTC)
Out of scope. It's an image of #1371 in Perso-Arabic script that can be easily produced by typing which has several privileges such as search ability. AMERICOPHILE 19:54, 17 December 2011 (UTC)
- Used in one user's userboxes. Have you taken it with him before nominating? NVO (talk) 20:44, 17 December 2011 (UTC)
- Excuse me, I didn't understand what you mean by "Have you taken it with him before nominating?". If you mean that I must replace that picture by #1371 (in Perso-Arabic scrip) myself, It's absolutely not my duty, but I will do that as a courtesy. AMERICOPHILE 20:57, 17 December 2011 (UTC)
Deleted: Out of scope Pymouss Let’s talk - 22:21, 28 May 2012 (UTC)
Out of scope. This image can be easily produced by typing that has several privileges such as searching ability, etc AMERICOPHILE 19:56, 17 December 2011 (UTC)
Deleted: Out of scope Pymouss Let’s talk - 22:19, 28 May 2012 (UTC)
No Freedom of Panorama (FoP) in Russia, especially for statue Morning Sunshine (talk) 01:29, 18 December 2011 (UTC)
- Delete No COM:FOP in Russia for modern statues, sculptures. --Leoboudv (talk) 02:14, 18 December 2011 (UTC)
- Comment Do we even know the name of the sculptor and the year the bust was made? If the sculptor died 70 or more years ago, FOP should not be an issue. --Rosenzweig τ 09:23, 19 December 2011 (UTC)
Kept: No evidence that the sculptor isn't dead enough. Pymouss Let’s talk - 22:24, 28 May 2012 (UTC)
špatné vložení Zdeněk Ada (talk) 10:12, 18 December 2011 (UTC)
Deleted: Uploader's request Pymouss Let’s talk - 22:22, 28 May 2012 (UTC)
Incomplete. Linked image not found. Magasjukur2 (talk) 21:20, 18 December 2011 (UTC)
- Incomplete, delete. The complete image is File:Black Hawk path.png Traumrune (talk) 21:48, 26 April 2012 (UTC)
Deleted: Incomplete image Sreejith K (talk) 11:33, 18 June 2012 (UTC)
License (PD-BritishGov) does not apply. -- Common Good (talk) 18:22, 18 December 2011 (UTC)
- Deleted, 1982 photo, license oviously incorrect. Thuresson (talk) 15:53, 22 June 2012 (UTC)
DW of possibly non-free content AMERICOPHILE 21:33, 18 December 2011 (UTC)
- the image is from my own archives — Preceding unsigned comment added by Negarmottahedeh (talk • contribs)
- I copied her comment from the DR talk page. AMERICOPHILE
- Do you mean that you own the picture of those women with green scarves? Are you sure you are familiar enough with derivative works policy on Commons? AMERICOPHILE 23:36, 18 December 2011 (UTC)
- Photo by Associated Press photographer Ben Curtis (apimages.com). Thuresson (talk) 16:26, 22 June 2012 (UTC)
Deleted, Thuresson (talk) 16:26, 22 June 2012 (UTC)
DW of possibly non-free content. AMERICOPHILE 21:38, 18 December 2011 (UTC)
- the image is from my own archives — Preceding unsigned comment added by Negarmottahedeh (talk • contribs)
- I copied her comment from the DR talk page. AMERICOPHILE
- Do you mean the big, green avatar is yours? Are you sure you are familiar with derivative works? AMERICOPHILE 23:30, 18 December 2011 (UTC)
- Deleted, uploader is taking credit for other people's works, see Commons:Deletion requests/File:IranSocialMedia.jpg. Thuresson (talk) 16:31, 22 June 2012 (UTC)
DW of possibly non-free content AMERICOPHILE 21:39, 18 December 2011 (UTC)
- the image is from my own archives — Preceding unsigned comment added by Negarmottahedeh (talk • contribs)
- I copied her comment from the DR talk page. AMERICOPHILE
- Do you mean that you are the copyright holder of all of those portraits? Are you sure you are familiar with derivative works? AMERICOPHILE 23:33, 18 December 2011 (UTC)
- Deleted, uploader is taking credit for other people's works, see Commons:Deletion requests/File:IranSocialMedia.jpg. Thuresson (talk) 16:32, 22 June 2012 (UTC)
File:Flag of Zwammerdam.svg is a SVG version; no page uses this file. Ricordisamoa (talk) 15:39, 18 December 2011 (UTC)
Deleted, Thuresson (talk) 19:15, 23 June 2012 (UTC)
No evidence of public domain. No evidence of first publication in Poland, not fulfills Polish "normative acts and drafts thereof as well as official documents, materials, signs and symbols are not subject to copyrights". Martin H. (talk) 19:37, 18 December 2011 (UTC)
Deleted, Thuresson (talk) 19:17, 23 June 2012 (UTC)
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1943 photo (according to uploader), no source, no author. The claimed copyright status Template:PD-old is impossible because 1943+70>2011. Martin H. (talk) 20:18, 18 December 2011 (UTC)
Deleted, Thuresson (talk) 19:22, 23 June 2012 (UTC)
1960-1970 photo (according to uploader), by the given date it is impossible that the claimed copyright status pd-old is correct. Martin H. (talk) 20:19, 18 December 2011 (UTC)
- Поддерживаю - удалить.— Redboston 08:27, 10 June 2012 (UTC)
Deleted, Thuresson (talk) 19:24, 23 June 2012 (UTC)
1943 photo (according to uploader, no source at all and no author given). By the given date it is impossible that the claimed copyright status pd-old is correct. Martin H. (talk) 20:20, 18 December 2011 (UTC)
Deleted, Thuresson (talk) 19:28, 23 June 2012 (UTC)
It is indeed a state decoration of Belarus; however the photo comes from http://www.belawards.narod.ru/ which claims copyright on their scans. User:Zscout370 (Return fire) 20:26, 18 December 2011 (UTC)
Deleted, Thuresson (talk) 19:30, 23 June 2012 (UTC)
The photos on the book covers look recent. Stefan4 (talk) 20:51, 18 December 2011 (UTC)
- Keep The only photo which is clearly visible is the black and white image from Norrmalm regulation, which is taken 1965/66 and free (PD-Sweden-photo).--Holger.Ellgaard (talk) 10:14, 19 December 2011 (UTC)
- Comment - I believe there may be a problem because of tumnagelsmålet (where the Supreme Court made the wrong decision...) /Pieter Kuiper (talk) 21:48, 19 December 2011 (UTC)
- That was exactly my thought. I think that this case needs a section under COM:DM#Country-specific laws. You can also read the verdict from Högsta domstolen here. Basically, this web page is a copyright violation in Sweden because the one who made the web page doesn't have permission to use the two images marked with an arrow on the screen shot. He has permission to use everything else, though. The Swedish fair use clause does not apply to images (see sv:Citaträtt) and the supreme court concluded that de minimis didn't apply either. --Stefan4 (talk) 22:43, 19 December 2011 (UTC)
Deleted, Thuresson (talk) 19:34, 23 June 2012 (UTC)
probably copyvio Edgars2007 (talk) 20:51, 18 December 2011 (UTC)
- It's not "own work" but not a blatant copyvio, either. Could you clarify it with the uploader in lv.wiki ? NVO (talk) 06:52, 19 December 2011 (UTC)
- Kept, I'd like something more definitive than "probably copyvio". Thuresson (talk) 19:39, 23 June 2012 (UTC)
Per Commons:Freedom of panorama#Norway. The work is clearly the main motive. The bust is the work of Odin Øistad and was erected in 2008 (http://www.vardo.kommune.no/Nyheter/2008/Barentsz.aspx). 4ing (talk) 21:02, 18 December 2011 (UTC)
Deleted, Thuresson (talk) 19:42, 23 June 2012 (UTC)
Original Reserach.No source to back up this claim.Rajput words is no where used for God Rama and His sons. Mkrestin (talk) 04:27, 20 November 2010 (UTC)
The word Rajput is a term of medieval original. The word was unknown before Islamic period[36]. Traditionally, all ruling casts were known as Kshatriya. After Islamic invasion, the word Rajput was coined, literally meaning son's of King. Traditionally all Rajputs are Kshatriya clan. If someone says Rajput are not Kshatriya then he has to prove it. Rajput & Kshatriya are synonyms. Further, in India there are three major ruling dynasty, Suryavansha or Solar dynasty in which Rama was born and Chandravanshi or Lunar dynasty in which Krishna was born and another one known as Agnivansha born out of Agni or Hindu Fire God. All these are Kshatriya clans, who over the centuries also came to be known as Rajput. I think the image should not be deleted. What is the criteria of deletion. Reason for asking a deletion? Jethwarp (talk) 14:35, 22 November 2010 (UTC). Further, File:Image-Gohil.jpg taken from their forts also mention same.
Is the person who is asking for deletion saying that Rajput are not Kshatriya ????. giving reason Original Research. Then where are proof in favor of his research. If he says Rajput are not Kshatriya, he may as well say that Earth is not a planet. Jethwarp (talk)
- Further, the image does not mention Rama Rajput but as Lord Rama and their sons as King Kush & King Luv. The author of image has taken care to use words histrically. Further, there are many references available on-line sources available about Bargujar Rajput, Gehlots Rajput, Sisoldia claiming descant from Luv and Kachhwaha claiming descant from Kush.Bargujars, being of Solar race worship Rama. Like the Gehlots, claim descant from Lava, elder son of Rama. I can cite other sources also. Aging I say,the image should not be deleted. The flow chart is correct and it is easy for people to identify, how so many Rajputs claim descant from Rama, and their family lineageJethwarp (talk)
Kept. Jcb (talk) 13:53, 29 December 2010 (UTC)
because this image requre some edits. Kunwar Manoj Kumar Raghav (talk) 20:15, 18 December 2011 (UTC)
- You need not delete image for edits. Further, I saw you are also the original uploader of image so just edit the image and re load revised version with commentary.Jethwarp (talk) 06:46, 25 March 2012 (UTC)
Kept, Thuresson (talk) 19:20, 23 June 2012 (UTC)
Wow Turkey by serkancirak on July 5, 2005. Maybe serkancirak on Wow Turkey is User:Serkan Çırak on English Wikipedia. But according to TolgaTek, who is the auditor of that website, serkancirak should have taken images from other websites (not own work). There is no evidence to prove that this image is the own work of Serkan Çırak. Takabeg (talk) 15:35, 18 December 2011 (UTC)
Deleted: Suspiction of copyright infrigement, not lifted by photography uploader in 6 months, low quality, no EXIF tag. Dereckson (talk) 10:54, 6 July 2012 (UTC)
