Commons:Deletion requests/El Cubano 153 uploads

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  • Add {{delete|reason=Fill in reason for deletion here!|subpage=El Cubano 153 uploads|year=2024|month=December|day=13}} to the description page of each file.
  • Notify the uploader(s) with {{subst:idw||El Cubano 153 uploads|plural}} ~~~~
  • Add {{Commons:Deletion requests/El Cubano 153 uploads}} at the end of today's log.
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El Cubano 153 uploads

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All of these track maps are either original research or just plain false. This editor has been writing about fictitious storms or fictionalized accounts of real storms on the English Wikipedia, and a lot of these tracks have been used to support those fictionalizations. See w:en:Talk:2022–23 European windstorm season#2022–23 European Windstorm Season/Tracks and the below section; w:en:WP:ANI#Persistent disruption at Cumulonimbus and well beyond; and w:en:Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/El Cubano 153 for more information. --Dylan620 (I'm all ears) 22:42, 13 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  •  Comment This isn't Wikipedia, so original research is perfectly fine. Which of these maps are original research, Dylan? -- Ikan Kekek (talk) 03:23, 14 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    @Ikan Kekek: Well, for starters, File:Nicole 2022 track.jpg is an incorrect version of the track of Hurricane Nicole from last week; the reliable, official track can be viewed here. Alegandra seems to be a misspelling of Alejandra, The Weather Channel's unofficial name for an early-season blizzard which struck the Midwest United States, but it is virtually impossible to tell if the storm system depicted in the aforelinked section is along the track provided by El Cubano 153. As for Cickus, Bans, and Afefe... there have been no storms with any of those names. (The first five or six files in this nomination, as far as I can tell, were created for this fictitious user subpage [ENWP admins only; the page was deleted last night per a deletion request which I had submitted].) One of the names (Afefe, IIRC) was given to what wasn't even a storm system in its own right, but instead a rainband of the real-life Hurricane Nicole. The final four files are colorizations of tracks made by another user (see the European windstorm season article talk page linked in the nomination) who used location data from the Free University of Berlin, but the original tracks lack wind speed data; El Cubano 153 used data from the app Windy, which uses model run initializations, and is therefore unreliable. Lastly, the tropical wave for which File:Tropical Wave 2-11-2022 Track.jpg was created did seem to exist in some form, as the track image makes apparent that the system was in the southwestern Caribbean Sea, which is confirmed by a contemporary Tropical Weather Outlook from the National Hurricane Center; but the wave doesn't seem to have been officially tracked, which makes pinpointing its "center" (?) dubious, and the track image itself is of such low quality that I find it hard to believe that it would be of use to any reader or viewer. --Dylan620 (he/him · talk · edits) 20:25, 14 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Thanks for the details. None of that sounds like original research. Why did you say it could be? Original research is not something to use as an epithet but is what advances human civilization, especially when it's in the form of scientific research. In the future, if all of the files are dubious or erroneous, please say that. -- Ikan Kekek (talk) 21:37, 14 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Question The first five or six images appear to be storm tracks drawn onto Google Maps. Would that be a copyright issue?
I would also favor deletion of File:Tropical Wave 2-11-2022 Track.jpg. It's so blurry as to be basically unusable. It looks like the uploader photographed their computer screen. TornadoLGS (talk) 21:12, 14 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Half of them aren't real and nowhere on them they say they aren't real (WP:HOAX). The other half have an unreliable or no source for the data which is problem as Cubano wanted them to be on an article (proven here). RandomInfinity17 (talk) 22:59, 14 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete images 2-6 (as well as the blurry one, which I already mention) at least, as they appear to be for made-up systems and a fictionalized version of Hurricane Nicole that are not advertised as such. That sort of stuff might belong on the Hypothetical Hurricanes Wiki, but not here. TornadoLGS (talk) 03:03, 15 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete Both of the Afefe tracks, the "Bans" track, and "Cickis" track falls under "Original Research" and are hypothetical no Tropical Waves, Tropical Cyclones, or Extratropical Cyclones were given those names in the real world; the Alejandra track was created from Google Maps plus Alejandra didn't go that far north up into Canada if you look at this map Wpc Surface Analysis and go back to the 9-11th of November when the storm was active, the low that was Alejandra stayed below the Canada-United States Border and was centered around North Dakota, Minnesota, and Wisconsin area, and the European Windstorm tracks that this user created aka the Bogdan and Bettina tracks looks like they copied RandomInfinity17's track map and colored the triangles those storm's true intensities are unknown, so those colors that El Cubano put on their copied track map more than likely falls under "Orginial Research" also the rest of tracks that I didn't mention were also created with Google Maps and probably is a copyright violation there's a lot of problems with these track maps. Cyclonetracker7586 (talk) 04:35, 15 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    • Comment @Ikan Kekek Aren't those European windstorm track maps that El Cubano copied and colored in fall under "Original Research" though even though this discussion is on Commons, the colors are intended to represent the sustained wind intensity of the storm like tropical cyclones on their track maps, but there aren't any sources that I can find anywhere that shows sustained winds from those European Windstorms only wind gust that's probably why the legitimate storm tracks on 2022-23 European windstorm season page are gray. It's hard to get sustained wind data on those storm's since they're outside NOAA's forecasted area. It would be misleading to readers if that user had put those track maps on the 2022-23 European windstorm season page which by the looks of it it was intended to be used on that page if it wasn't that user wouldn't have created the copied Bogdan and Bettina tracks and uploaded to Commons.
    Cyclonetracker7586 (talk) 05:28, 15 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Deleted: per discussion. --Strakhov (talk) 12:38, 20 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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