Commons:Deletion requests/File:Royal Cypher of King Charles III.svg
This SVG image is a fabrication based on blurry image of a George IV tie pin worn by Charles at his proclamation, widely misinterpreted by the media. The source image has been altered to remove the stem of the G and the numeral VI. There are no official sources that show Charles's cypher, and no design has been unveiled. See https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-11199729/King-Charles-III-wore-royal-cypher-time-proclamation.html?ito=link_share_article-image-share#i-28ab2307e5a98c51 for a clear image of the tie pin, where the letters "G VI R" are clearly visible. Viseman (talk) 12:31, 20 September 2022 (UTC)
Kept: closed below by User:Infrogmation as No consensus to delete.. --IronGargoyle (talk) 20:59, 30 January 2023 (UTC)
This file was initially tagged by Viseman as Speedy (speedydelete) and the most recent rationale was: See above delete the blurred older version istead of the whole work Orange-kun (talk) 16:21, 20 September 2022 (UTC)
- 1. Request removing only of the old file version from the server, instead of requesting to remove the whole work. I have uploaded it just for reference.
- 2. Replace it with the proper version of the Cypher when it'll be available for public (for example CR could be changed for CIIIR).
- And after all, it's not a speedy candidate at all.--Orange-kun (talk) 16:27, 20 September 2022 (UTC)
Delete as stated by the original nominee, the tie pin worn by King Charles III is clearly a royal heirloom. When you zoom on the image, it is very clear the pin shows 'G VI R' to depict King George VI (Charles' grandfather). All the royals had been wearing pieces of jewellery and tie pins that belonged to past monarchs. The official Charles III cypher will not be known until closer to the coronation (sometime in 2023). Whoever created this "fake" cypher, did so in haste and without official sourcing. Perhaps it is best to wait for official confirmation via the Royal Household of what the new cypher will look like, before cresting one based off media speculation. Wes Wolf 21:12, 20 September 2022 (UTC)
To further add to my comment, it is clear that the original file uploaded by Orange-kun has been doctored from the official source using some form of photo-editing software in order to create an alternative version. This is a clear violation of Wikimedia copyright violation policies on doctoring images to create false information. Wes Wolf 23:35, 25 September 2022 (UTC)
- Keep the newer versions that depict the officially confirmed Royal Cypher. But DELETE the six older versions that were created falsely. Wes Wolf 08:49, 27 September 2022 (UTC)
Delete on the context of a speculative design being presented as if it was real - the design is far too speculative to be confident that the file is a teaser for the next royal cypher. There is a good chance that it might be something completely different. --Minoa (talk) 02:13, 21 September 2022 (UTC)
- I update my recommendation to partially delete the first six revisions on the context of those speculative designs being presented as if it was real. --Minoa (talk) 16:51, 27 September 2022 (UTC)
Delete for the reason that this cypher is incorrect. Also, I would like to comment that I created an image of the correct cypher that was unveiled today here: File:Royal cypher of Charles III of the United Kingdom.svg. This should be used in place of the incorrect one. Di (they-them) (talk) 22:11, 26 September 2022 (UTC)
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Keep As I said before, delete the ancient version instead of the whole file, since the current file is completely different.--Orange-kun (talk) 23:06, 26 September 2022 (UTC)
- Officially confirmed version is here, so no need to delete.--Orange-kun (talk) 01:59, 27 September 2022 (UTC)
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Keep the current file, uploaded by Sodacan today. This is indeed the design for Charles III's royal cypher: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-63034255. Ham II (talk) 08:02, 27 September 2022 (UTC)
Keep Now that the official cypher has been revealed. Fry1989 eh? 13:15, 27 September 2022 (UTC)
- Is it a free-to-use image though? Hogweard (talk) 13:52, 27 September 2022 (UTC)
Keep It is now the correct design of the ci(y)pher unveiled today. Tim O'Doherty (talk) 20:08, 27 September 2022 (UTC)
- Keep Offical Design released by Buckingham Palaces matches with Offical Design. Request for deletion is frivolous (see article from the Guardian) https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2022/sep/26/king-charles-iiis-official-monogram-design-released-by-palace. Minor edits could be made to align with the actual design. The shape of gems on the crown should be updated thought to correctly represent the new design; specifically, the blue gem in the middle should be a diamond shape also, and the three tips of the ermine spots should be facing to the right. Also, pearls on the two side arches should be nine instead of seven. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jfugger (talk • contribs) 22:23, 27 September 2022 (UTC)
- Keep This is the correct design as confirmed by the College of Arms - https://www.college-of-arms.gov.uk/news-grants/news/item/205-royal-cypher - Cordyceps-Zombie (talk) 12:31, 28 September 2022 (UTC)
Keep This is a perfectly correct digital copy of the offical cypher that has been released. It would be ridiculous to delete it and I'd like to thank the author for creating it! Mhapperger (talk) 21:10, 29 September 2022 (UTC)
- Keep The current version is the accurate digital representation of the cypher. The previous versions can be discarded. Keivan.fTalk 22:49, 29 September 2022 (UTC)
Keep Offical monogram should be kept. Snake bgd (talk) 23:38, 3 October 2022 (UTC)
- Keep, but only the official design. The unofficial designs should be deleted as fictitious cyphers having no encyclopedic value. Eyesnore (talk) 16:23, 4 October 2022 (UTC)
Keep https://www.royal.uk/his-majesty-kings-cypher - TheGlobetrotter (talk) 15:30, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
Keep This is the official cypher that has been released.SethWhales talk 12:50, 13 October 2022 (UTC)
Delete
- I think the restrictions are independent of copyright status. Effort has been made to balance between specifications and copyright limitations. My recommendation stands that we should delete only the first six (speculative) versions in the context of them being presented as if they were real. --Minoa (talk) 12:38, 30 October 2022 (UTC)
- According to The National Archives: "The Royal Arms and its constituent parts are protected by perpetual Crown copyright, and may only be re-used by His Majesty the King, members of the Royal Family, government departments and official holders of the Royal Warrant. The Royal Arms are Royal ‘devices’ and as such are protected by law from commercial misuse." Assuming the cypher is a Royal device, this sounds to me like it's protected by copyright. Adam9007 (talk) 16:11, 30 October 2022 (UTC)
- The above looks like a copyright restriction to me, but it's not very clear. Adam9007 (talk) 06:26, 31 October 2022 (UTC)
- This is an interesting point. However, I can't immediately find the basis for the NA claims in the copyright act, so it must be regulated somewhere else. It would presumably be similar to the King James Bible and Peter Pan, but the details would matter a lot. For example, the text about the arms as a "device" refers to trademark law, and would be a non-copyright restriction (which is noted on the description page but doesn't merit deletion). Someone better able to navigate UK law will have to do the research to find where this is regulated though. Maybe ask at COM:VP/C? Xover (talk) 14:55, 24 January 2023 (UTC)
Kept: No consensus to delete. --Infrogmation of New Orleans (talk) 21:22, 24 January 2023 (UTC)
