Commons:Deletion requests/Files with fake "Mil.gov.ua" license 5

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Files with fake "Mil.gov.ua" license 5

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Invalid license. Probably a non-free images. License (Mil.gov.ua) applies only to materials posted on the web-site Mil.gov.ua, not on their social media. Needed link where this fotos published at Mil.gov.ua. --Kursant504 (talk) 08:32, 7 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

 Disagree These materials were published by the official military press-services of the Armed Forces of Ukraine/Ministry of Defense and the State Emergency Service. Despite being published on social media there is no indication they would be covered by a different license.--vityok (talk) 10:02, 7 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
The same case: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Deletion_requests/Files_with_fake_%22Mil.gov.ua%22_license Kursant504 (talk) 12:52, 7 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
For instance, see Template:Mil.gov.ua KPSZSU FB, Template:Navy.mil.gov.ua FB and similar license templates in that category.--vityok (talk) 10:04, 7 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
That very same license applies even to their profile on Twitter! Template:Mil.gov.ua Twitter. Therefore I am sure that the license applies to the media published by official government/ministry of defense press services on other social networks as well--vityok (talk) 10:07, 7 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: I am pretty sure that Ukraine's Ministry of Defense has willingly and knowingly made these files available to the public, so that they can be used freely (even in case of those directly published by mass media, you can see the word "handout" in their credit). As a result, I think the solution is an inquiry from the Press and Information Office, asking them to confirm for Commons that they release any file (published on their website, social media accounts or media handouts) with that license. HeminKurdistan (talk) 12:19, 7 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@HeminKurdistan: do you happen to know what is the proper procedure for such kinds of arrangements? Should this be correspondence on behalf of the Commons, or someone from the press service should send an e-mail from their official email address with the clarifications?--vityok (talk) 13:46, 7 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@VictorAnyakin I guess the usual procedure would be through Commons:Volunteer Response Team. HeminKurdistan (talk) 14:07, 7 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
It seems to be a fake license. Author of this temple can't give a proof that all materials of this twitter account is licensed under the Creative Commons Attribution 4.0 International license: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Appsoft4 . So it can be deleted soon. In this DR there is NO materials from twitter account of MoD of Ukraine. Kursant504 (talk) 12:56, 7 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
KPSZSU FB and Navy.mil.gov.ua FB - are free because this accounts have a statements that all posted materials are under a free license. It is doesn't means that all goverment accounts in social media are free. Kursant504 (talk) 04:40, 8 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
 Keep File:Izium after Russian shelling (2022-03-06) 01.jpg and File:Izium after Russian shelling (2022-03-06) 02.jpg. Photos are from MOD Ukraine FB which states "Весь контент сторінки доступний за ліцензією Creative Commons", which Google Translates to "All page content is available under a Creative Commons license". Pretty clear both of these are under Mil.gov.ua CC license. Also suggest  Keeping all and create a discussion on COM:VPC before going ahead with deletion. S5A-0043Talk 14:23, 7 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
A lot of types of CC license are exist. For Commons needed a license that allow a commercial use of materials. Kursant504 (talk) 04:36, 8 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Firstly, if MOD Ukraine decides to post the photo on Facebook, it is likely that the photo has a chance to get posted on the Mil.gov.ua website, or vice versa. If there's a chance that the photos could end up on the official website, I don't understand why the photos would be released on a different license, say CC-BY-NC-SA (example only). Imagine a person finds a photo on the MOD Ukraine Facebook which is (as an example) released under CC-BY-NC-SA, but then finds the same photo on Mil.gov.ua under CC-BY-SA. Which license is the photo released under? I don't think this would be an inconsistency a government agency is likely going to create.
Secondly, this issue is fairly complex, as it involves a ton of different photos from different Facebook accounts. Which is why I suggested that this be brought up in COM:VPC as it would be better to have a wider discussion on all photos than several different DRs in smaller batches. S5A-0043Talk 10:08, 8 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Yes. It is possible that licenses are different on different sites. For example, on the website of the President of Ukraine, all materials are published under CC-BY-NC-SA license. But the official account of the President of Ukraine on Flickr - publishes the same materials as free CC-BY-SA (similarly, for example, the account of the US White House). Therefore, it is possible that the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine publishes it's materials under different licenses or use copyrighted photos that are not free. We had a lot of such examples when even MoD of UA do a license-washing... Anyway. Here we talk about "Mil.gov.ua" license. And license is incorrect if files not published at Mil.gov.ua. If you sure that they a free - put a correct license. Kursant504 (talk) 10:44, 8 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@VoidWanderer: I would like to ask for your input on this issue, maybe you could point to an official announcement or any similar document regarding licensing of the published media by the military press offices (IIRC there was something like reported in the news)--vityok (talk) 12:23, 7 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  •  Keep. I've started a topic with explanations here:
--VoidWanderer (talk) 14:40, 12 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Topic is closed and no one has provided any evidence that this content can be considered free:
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Copyright/Archive/2023/11#Media_published_by_press_services_of_Ukrainian_military Kursant504 (talk) 04:57, 23 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@Kursant504: Please use internal links like Commons:Village pump/Copyright/Archive/2023/11#Media published by press services of Ukrainian military.   — 🇺🇦Jeff G. ツ please ping or talk to me🇺🇦 15:31, 23 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Deleted: per nomination, the license terms say only the website is cc-by 4.0. Their Facebook says "Creative Commons license" is not specific enough, it could be cc-by-nc-nd for Facebook images. Contacting COM:VRT and confirming that social media posts are licensed the same as the website under cc-by-4.0 would solve the issue. --Abzeronow (talk) 20:32, 30 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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