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== Setting time aside to talk ==

 

 

== Sidney Powell ==

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== Take it to AN/I ==

 

:{{reply|MJL}} I reported them to [[WP:AIV]] previously today? [[User:IHateAccounts|IHateAccounts]] ([[User talk:IHateAccounts#top|talk]]) 01:32, 19 January 2021 (UTC)

 

Though you are not currently able to edit Wikipedia, you are welcome to continue to participate in the Wikipedia project as a non-editing reader. Thank you for your interest in Wikipedia! [[User:Chetsford|Chetsford]] ([[User talk:Chetsford|talk]]) 22:24, 31 January 2021 (UTC)}}

 

*'''Question:''' Thank you for your willingness to consider questions and I regret this process has created real-life stress. IHateAccounts, do you have a relationship with the owner of [[User:6YearsTillRetirement|IMadeThisStupidAccount]] <small>(renamed to 6YearsTilRetirement)</small> — that might cause editors to wrongly assume both accounts are controlled by the same individual — the existence of which you'd like to voluntarily disclose prior to action being taken on this unblock request? For example, sometimes flatmates, acquaintances, or persons who come to know each other through editthons might be mistaken as sockpuppets. (If you choose to respond, please don't disclose personally identifiable information.) I hope this message finds you well and remember that WP is not worth letting real-life stress invade your life over. [[User:Chetsford|Chetsford]] ([[User talk:Chetsford|talk]]) 18:01, 30 January 2021 (UTC)

*:{{u|Chetsford}}: I'm going to have to respectfully disagree with your rationale for declining (which is not to say that I disagree with declining an unblock, just that I have issues with this particular decline). You're declining based on what appears to be off-wiki discussion with a third party rather than discussion with the blockee, and frankly I do not think that's okay. I'm pretty confident I know who you talked to and I'm pretty sure I know what they said, but someone else telling you off-wiki that a blocked editor doesn't plan to come back should not be sufficient to decline an unblock. Also, given that they're pretty clearly arguing that they aren't a sock, the standard "you're a sock, go request an unblock from your main account." Given all of the fuss surrounding this block, I will be reviewing it in my role as an SPI clerk in the next few days, and I hope to have a good answer for everyone then. [[User:GeneralNotability|GeneralNotability]] ([[User talk:GeneralNotability|talk]]) 03:16, 1 February 2021 (UTC)

:::Hi [[User:GeneralNotability|GeneralNotability]] - I apologize if I expressed myself imperfectly. To be clear, the only reason I declined the unblock was due to [[WP:SOCKBLOCK]], namely, that it was not made from the master account; there was no other reason behind my decline other than that. <br/>{{xt|"You're declining based on what appears to be off-wiki discussion with a third party rather than discussion with the blockee, and frankly I do not think that's okay. "}} The discussion with the third party, [[Wikipedia talk:Sockpuppet investigations/SkepticAnonymous|which occurred on-Wiki]] and not off-Wiki, only made me decide to close the request today (rather than wait several days to give the blockee an opportunity to first respond to the above question). It had no effect on the decision to decline, only on the timing of the decline. I declined it only because it was not made from the master account and for no other reason. <br/>{{xt|"Also, given that they're pretty clearly arguing that they aren't a sock, the standard "you're a sock, go request an unblock from your main account.""}} I would disagree that merely repeating "I'm not a sock" constitutes an argument, or at least one that requires a point-by-point rebuttal. The evidence is so clear and overwhelming that to torture the editor with a further dissection of the case seemed, to me, to be callous and unnecessary particularly given the problems with their "mental well-being" they've reported as having encountered over this. It would be presumptive of me to assume such claims were merely manipulations and I think we should err on the side of caution with respect to the wellbeing of editors, even those editors who are blocked, and not draw these cases out interminably when the outcome is clear. Again, I apologize if I didn't express myself well. [[User:Chetsford|Chetsford]] ([[User talk:Chetsford|talk]]) 03:44, 1 February 2021 (UTC)

::::{{u|Chetsford}}, thanks, I wasn't aware of that sidebar on the SPI's talk page, so strike what I said about off-wiki. And my apologies to you - re-reading that a day later, my comment has an annoyed tone to it that I didn't intend. I'll still be doing a full behavioral workup on this SPI since it seems to be more than a little contentious and I'd like to put this to rest. [[User:GeneralNotability|GeneralNotability]] ([[User talk:GeneralNotability|talk]]) 01:39, 2 February 2021 (UTC)