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=="British Left"==
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SNP are not left wing [[User:Hachimanchu|Hachimanchu]] ([[User talk:Hachimanchu|talk]]) 15:08, 23 February 2011 (UTC)
:Neither are 'New Labour' to be honest. They have fallen FAR from the Socialist tree of late and I'd put them more slightly right of centre. (Run by millionaires, expenses scandals, cash for questions, corporate control, TUC corruption, etc.) [[Special:Contributions/81.110.230.38|81.110.230.38]] ([[User talk:81.110.230.38|talk]]) 00:54, 18 July 2012 (UTC)
::When Labour added the "New" Labour they moved quite far to the right. While you can certainly show that the Corbyn era was a big jump left, it is back to the right with rather Conservative Sir Keir Starmer. By no definition are Labour currently a left wing party. [[Special:Contributions/77.100.225.159|77.100.225.159]] ([[User talk:77.100.225.159|talk]]) 15:40, 21 June 2022 (UTC)
I think the SNP should be on this page. Since devolution they have always been a left-leaning party, even under Alex Salmond. Now that Nicola Sturgeon is in charge they have firmly aligned themselves to the left being a much more social democratic party. In the 2015 election they were definitely more left than Labour as they had an anti-austerity platform. Individual 10:28, 8 July 2015 (UTC) <small class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/2.96.21.4|2.96.21.4]] ([[User talk:2.96.21.4|talk]]) </small><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
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Cheers.—[[User:InternetArchiveBot|'''<span style="color:darkgrey;font-family:monospace">InternetArchiveBot</span>''']] <span style="color:green;font-family:Rockwell">([[User talk:InternetArchiveBot|Report bug]])</span> 21:41, 8 November 2016 (UTC)
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We currently have three articles for the same subject matter. I think only one (or maybe two) should suffice. [[User:Charles Essie|Charles Essie]] ([[User talk:Charles Essie|talk]]) 17:22, 14 February 2017 (UTC)
:They overlap, but they're not the same:
:*This one is about the current, active British Left, broadly interpreted (it includes the Greens and SNP for example). It has very little about history and very little detail on more radical groups
:*[[History of the socialist movement in the United Kingdom]] is about the history of more formally socialist groups in Britain, albeit with very little about the more radical groups then or now
:*[[Far-left politics in the United Kingdom]] is directly focused on more radical communist and anarchist etc microgroups, from their historical origins to now
:There is a more detailed debate already underway about possibly merging or redirecting the latter, on [[Talk:Far-left politics in the United Kingdom|its talk page]]. Arguably this could all be reorganised and content merged, but this is a perfectly reasonble distinction of topic, and as noted, there is currently limited overlap of actual content, and very limited content at all about far left groups, outside the latter page. <small>'''[[User:N-HH|<span style="color:navy;">N-HH</span>]]''' '''[[User talk:N-HH|<span style="color:blue;">talk</span>]]/[[Special:Contributions/N-HH|<span style="color:blue;">edits</span>]]'''</small> 18:02, 14 February 2017 (UTC)
::The Far Left one actually wrongly categorises a lot of the left under than label - it is not narrowly focused Combining this one with it makes sense and keeping the history one separate which would mean eliminating overlap? ----[[User:Snowded|<span style="color:#801818; font-family:Papyrus;">'''Snowded'''</span>]] <small><sup>[[User talk:Snowded#top|<span style="color:#708090; font-family:Baskerville;">TALK</span>]]</sup></small> 18:10, 14 February 2017 (UTC)
:::I think there's a case for a rationalisation that would see more detail about current/recent radical leftist groups go into this page and about past ones going into the general socialist history page (and hence losing the discrete far left one), but there's equally a case for maintaining a page with a special focus on the more marginal, radical groups and groupuscules, ie broadly the status quo. As noted at that page, I don't see a problem with the "far left" categorisation there, in principle or in practice. Also, losing it, and subsuming its content under the term "socialism", might leave a bit of a problem with radical anarchist groups. <small>'''[[User:N-HH|<span style="color:navy;">N-HH</span>]]''' '''[[User talk:N-HH|<span style="color:blue;">talk</span>]]/[[Special:Contributions/N-HH|<span style="color:blue;">edits</span>]]'''</small> 19:16, 14 February 2017 (UTC)
::::Better as a section surely? Deal with the British Left (here) and add a section on the Far Left. That would avoid the reputation and rather dubious categorisation of any marxist group post the russian revolution as 'far' left ----[[User:Snowded|<span style="color:#801818; font-family:Papyrus;">'''Snowded'''</span>]] <small><sup>[[User talk:Snowded#top|<span style="color:#708090; font-family:Baskerville;">TALK</span>]]</sup></small> 19:31, 14 February 2017 (UTC)
Alright, considering that we're essentially resuming the [[Talk:Far-left politics in the United Kingdom|original discussion]] over here, I'm going to withdraw my proposal so we can return to the original discussion. [[User:Charles Essie|Charles Essie]] ([[User talk:Charles Essie|talk]]) 16:46, 15 February 2017 (UTC)
== Timeline ==
Why is that timeline a screenshot of a table? Why not just use an actual table that you can click on? It's pretty bizarre. [[Special:Contributions/94.173.197.120|94.173.197.120]] ([[User talk:94.173.197.120|talk]]) 13:08, 19 April 2018 (UTC)
== Obvious bias ==
LOL, who wrote this. The "lowest share of seats since 1935" whilst technically true is a well known Centrist attack cliche. In 1987 the Conservatives won a 102 seat majority (compared with 80 seat majority in 2019). Labour's percentage share of the vote was also very slightly higher than in 2005. Author is also keen to spin 2017 as a loss for the left, without mentioning that over 30 seats were gained confounding expectations of massive losses in the Labour establishment (20% behind in some opinion polls going into the election etc). Most importantly it's not mentioned that nearly all of the seats lost in 2019 were in leave voting seats, with big swings to conservative in strong leave seats. Trust me, the "get brexit done" effect was huge in some of these seats, and whilst the confetti-like delivery of manifesto policies may not have been great, it wasn't really mentioned on the doorstep a whole lot. The assertion that GE2019 was lost because of the "Get Brexit Done" effect is surely a key side of the debate in any analysis of GE2019, I'm sure you can find people of that opinion to cite. [[Special:Contributions/2A02:88FD:26:C:0:0:C0CA:C01A|2A02:88FD:26:C:0:0:C0CA:C01A]] ([[User talk:2A02:88FD:26:C:0:0:C0CA:C01A|talk]]) 13:00, 30 December 2020 (UTC)
== Ongoing changes ==
Okay, I've tried multiple times to engage with [[User:31.125.85.48]] on their talk page regarding their changes to this page and [[Neo-marxism]]. Other editors (@[[User:Saintstephen000|Saintstephen000]] and @[[User:Matt Deres|Matt Deres]]) have as well and we have receieved little response. I want to caution everyone involved about the [[3RR|three-revert rule]] but I do want to indicate that multiple editors have indicated they have issues with the IP editor's changes and have tried to communicate that to the editor. [[User:Philipnelson99|Philipnelson99]] ([[User talk:Philipnelson99|talk]]) 19:58, 2 April 2023 (UTC)
:If it continues to happen, I'm considering seeking a different venue to discuss these changes. [[User:Philipnelson99|Philipnelson99]] ([[User talk:Philipnelson99|talk]]) 19:59, 2 April 2023 (UTC)
:What issues do you have with additions I have made? [[Special:Contributions/31.125.85.48|31.125.85.48]] ([[User talk:31.125.85.48|talk]]) 21:03, 2 April 2023 (UTC)
== Reframing the article ==
it appears to me that an article name 'British Left' should not simply be a history of centre-left to left-wing electoral parties, but broadly encompass all aspects of the 'British Left'. Whilst the Labour Party plays a part of this, the left has history in and outside the party. This includes cultural output, like films, music, comedians, festivals and theoretical outputs, and broader left wing movements. When people talk about the 'British Left' they are not talking about one party, but a broader collection of activists, organisations and writers with a progressive outlook. This seems fairly obvious to me, and it's a mystery as to why this hasn't been included in the article already. I think this combats both of the issues previously brought up on this page. [[Special:Contributions/31.125.85.48|31.125.85.48]] ([[User talk:31.125.85.48|talk]]) 21:11, 2 April 2023 (UTC)
include citations for your changes, discuss on the talk page.
thank you. [[User:Saintstephen000|Saintstephen000]] ([[User talk:Saintstephen000|talk]]) 21:24, 2 April 2023 (UTC)
:From now on, all changes will be cited. However, as most of the page is uncited, I did not assume this was the case. A summary of changes I wish to make are as follows:
:fill out the new sections i have added. There are many many more organisation, journals, authors, cultural critics, film makers etc. who are considered to make up the British left.
:I also wish to change the order of the article, so headings are sorted alphabetically. this would mean that the first paragaph would not be about electoral organisations (hence moving the text earlier). [[Special:Contributions/31.125.85.48|31.125.85.48]] ([[User talk:31.125.85.48|talk]]) 21:28, 2 April 2023 (UTC)
hey thanks for helping keep wiki accurate.
you're doing a substantial rewrite, and we would all appreciate you sourcing your additions, and not violating wiki policy as regards Original Research.
[[User:Saintstephen000|Saintstephen000]] ([[User talk:Saintstephen000|talk]]) 21:53, 2 April 2023 (UTC)
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