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== Holy persons as article of faith (From shara page) ==
As can be seen in many examples, classification is relative. For example, believing in the existence and miracles of [[Awliya]] is presented as a "condition" for orthodox Islam by many prominent Sunni creed writers such as [[Al-Tahawi]] and [[Abu Hafs Umar al-Nasafi|Nasafi]]<ref name="Jonathan A.C. Brown 2012 p. 123">Jonathan A. C. Brown, "Faithful Dissenters: Sunni Skepticism about the Miracles of Saints", ''Journal of Sufi Studies'' 1 (2012), p. 123</ref><ref name="Christopher Taylor 1999 pp. 5-6">Christopher Taylor, ''In the Vicinity of the Righteous'' (Leiden: Brill, 1999), pp. 5–6</ref> and is accepted in traditional Sunnis and Shi'ism. However, this understanding, along with expressions of respect and visits to the graves of saints, are seen as unacceptable heresy by puritanical and revivalist Islamic movements such as [[Salafism]], [[Wahhabism]] and [[Islamic Modernism]].<ref name="ReferenceA">{{cite encyclopedia|title=Encyclopedia of Islam |year=2012|editor4-first=Thierry |editor4-last=Bianquis|editor2-first=Clifford Edmund |editor2-last=Bosworth|editor3-first=Emeri Johannes |editor3-last=van Donzel|editor1-first=Wolfhart |editor1-last=Heinrichs|encyclopedia=[[Encyclopaedia of Islam]]|isbn=978-90-04-16121-4}}</ref>
See also:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twelver_theology
[[User:NGC 628|NGC 628]] ([[User talk:NGC 628|talk]]) 11:02, 17 November 2023 (UTC)
:Not all but majority Muslims consider belief in prophets as article of faith, not miracles of Awliya. You are editing [[Islam]] article, not Twelver theology.
: And why do you always edit a non-consensus topic and add some original research that most people don't believe in like view of revisionist school and like.. [[User:Zsohl|<span style="font-family:'Trebuchet MS'; color:#217d00;font-size:110%">'''Z'''sohl</span>]][[User talk:Zsohl|<sup style="font-family:Trebuchet MS; color:#9971DA;font-size:10px">'''''(Talk)'''''</sup>]] 11:19, 17 November 2023 (UTC)
::I believe that it is not the right behavior to base Islam on the definitions of a narrow group. Also, I would appreciate it if you included only the relevant topic in the discussion. That issue was discussed and finished. [[User:NGC 628|NGC 628]] ([[User talk:NGC 628|talk]]) 11:24, 17 November 2023 (UTC)
:::It is not based on definitions of narrow group. [[Aqidah]] and [[Iman (Islam)]] article explain all. So, take generality [[User:Zsohl|<span style="font-family:'Trebuchet MS'; color:#217d00;font-size:110%">'''Z'''sohl</span>]][[User talk:Zsohl|<sup style="font-family:Trebuchet MS; color:#9971DA;font-size:10px">'''''(Talk)'''''</sup>]] 11:28, 17 November 2023 (UTC)
::::I understand, but this is the form formulated for children receiving the simplest madrasa education of Islam. Real life involves variability and this article addresses a wide range of geography and people. [[User:NGC 628|NGC 628]] ([[User talk:NGC 628|talk]]) 11:35, 17 November 2023 (UTC)
:::::Main article on aqidah is already there, Islam article explain articles of faith in short but concise. So on Islam article, keep it simple. Thanks [[User:Zsohl|<span style="font-family:'Trebuchet MS'; color:#217d00;font-size:110%">'''Z'''sohl</span>]][[User talk:Zsohl|<sup style="font-family:Trebuchet MS; color:#9971DA;font-size:10px">'''''(Talk)'''''</sup>]] 11:42, 17 November 2023 (UTC)
::::::What was done here was just to provide a link, no details of the subject were gone into. It's simply as you said, and you took it back. [[User:NGC 628|NGC 628]] ([[User talk:NGC 628|talk]]) 11:47, 17 November 2023 (UTC)
:::::::I think the discussion is over, if you have no objections I would like to bring back my contributions [[User:NGC 628|NGC 628]] ([[User talk:NGC 628|talk]]) 12:13, 17 November 2023 (UTC)
::::::::No, I do have objections and what detail of the subject require. It is already consensus. You have to prove, why your contributions should be there and until now, you have not given a clear reason. [[User:Zsohl|<span style="font-family:'Trebuchet MS'; color:#217d00;font-size:110%">'''Z'''sohl</span>]][[User talk:Zsohl|<sup style="font-family:Trebuchet MS; color:#9971DA;font-size:10px">'''''(Talk)'''''</sup>]] 12:26, 17 November 2023 (UTC)
:::::::::And for detail of the subject, see [[aqidah]] article, why there is prophets, not awliya with cited sources. [[User:Zsohl|<span style="font-family:'Trebuchet MS'; color:#217d00;font-size:110%">'''Z'''sohl</span>]][[User talk:Zsohl|<sup style="font-family:Trebuchet MS; color:#9971DA;font-size:10px">'''''(Talk)'''''</sup>]] 12:31, 17 November 2023 (UTC)
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