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== Country-specific variant designations ==
== Listing India ==
 
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:I've no issue with updating the map, but I don't have the ability to do it myself. As for the infobox, that won't be changed until India has accepted delivery of enough aircraft to put them in the top four users by number in service. (Right now, the fourth is Qatar, with 23 in service.) This is a perennial issue in aircraft infoboxes, with many users ignoring the stated limits on the amount allowed when they feel their nation "deserves" to be added. More often than not, that nation is India. [[User:BilCat|BilCat]] ([[User talk:BilCat|talk]]) 00:57, 9 August 2020 (UTC)
::Thanks. I was wondering why India was still not listed despite having got possession of the aircraft. Will wait for all to be delivered. As for the map, I'll ping the map's creator or someone to have it updated. --[[User:Rsrikanth05|Rsrikanth05]] ([[User talk:Rsrikanth05|talk]]) 11:00, 30 October 2020 (UTC)
:::How is [[Hellenic Air Force]] listed as Primary user? Even though they have 0 in operation and has only recently pondered over acquiring Rafale with no firm order yet. {{ping|BilCat}} −−[[User:Shashpant|Shashpant]] ([[User talk:Shashpant|talk]]) 13:43, 12 November 2020 (UTC)
::::I have removed Hellenic Air Force, it should not be there as we only have three more users listed. The Indian Air Force is still not a significant user. [[User:MilborneOne|MilborneOne]] ([[User talk:MilborneOne|talk]]) 13:56, 12 November 2020 (UTC)
 
:::::Thanks Milb. @Shashpant, good catch. That was removed once already and added back, and no one else caught it until now. [[User:BilCat|BilCat]] ([[User talk:BilCat|talk]]) 22:37, 12 November 2020 (UTC)
 
::::::Tbh guys, some "people" are constantly adding India to the list of users. They don't seem like they are going to stop. Which isn't in itself a reason to agree with them but let's be honest, the current situation doesn't make sense. There is a list of "primary users" for a plane exported to 4 countries so far and delivered to 3. I don't see how there can be any real "secondary users" in this case. If anything, France is the primary user and export countries are secondary due to low quantities ordered. But removing India from the list in the box makes little sense : Because they don't have operational capacity ? Then the section in the box could be changed into "in service" which separates orders from real deliveries. Right now the distinction seems based on convetion / protocol much more than on real-life significance. I mean if there are so many users that we can't list them in the box yeah a distinction much exist, but it's not the case with Rafale. <!-- Template:Unsigned --><span class="autosigned" style="font-size:85%;">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:KRaikkonen01|KRaikkonen01]] ([[User talk:KRaikkonen01#top|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/KRaikkonen01|contribs]]) 12:32, 2 February 2021 (UTC)</span> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
 
::::::LOL : "please take this issue to the Dassault Rafale talk page so other editors can contribute" But no one is here to discuss it :) That's OK tho, you can keep the page exactly as is; it doesn't have to look clear and sensible from the point of view of the reader, after all... <!-- Template:Unsigned --><span class="autosigned" style="font-size:85%;">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:KRaikkonen01|KRaikkonen01]] ([[User talk:KRaikkonen01#top|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/KRaikkonen01|contribs]]) 14:48, 3 February 2021 (UTC)</span> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
::::::And the story continues : there will be endless modifications and corrections unless the list of users is made into something that is deemed sensible by all readers. <!-- Template:Unsigned IP --><small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/KRaikkonen01|KRaikkonen01]] ([[User talk:KRaikkonen01#top|talk]]) </small>
 
:::::::That's not going to happen, as we're not going to list all the users in the infobox. There will always be nationalists who think their country is more important than another country, and should be listed instead. [[User:BilCat|BilCat]] ([[User talk:BilCat|talk]]) 19:03, 11 May 2021 (UTC)
 
:::::::: "as we're not going to list all the users in the infobox" Why ? Because. French wiki does it and it's both clean and clear. Current layout here is not clear and since no one is even discussing whether it is, I would say it's relatively straightforward.<!-- Template:Unsigned IP --><small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/KRaikkonen01|KRaikkonen01]] ([[User talk:KRaikkonen01#top|talk]]) </small>
:::::::: An aircraft type article isn't special just because certain "popular" operators uses it - Listing all the operators will lead to vast bloated infoboxes - imagine what the [[Dasssault Mirage III]] or [[Northrop F-5]] or [[Supermarine Spitfire]] infoboxes would look like.[[User:Nigel Ish|Nigel Ish]] ([[User talk:Nigel Ish|talk]]) 10:46, 12 May 2021 (UTC)
 
:::::::::{{yo|KRaikkonen01}} This isn't French Wikipedia, and we aren't obliged to do it their way. They have very long infoboxes in their aircraft articles, which is something that WP:AIR has decided we don't want to have. As to not being "clean and clear", the guidelines are very clear about how many operators to list, and why. Once India becomes the fourth largest operator of the Rafale, it will.be added to the list, and will replace one of the operators their now. That is simple and fair. All that said, if you want to get the guidelines for this infobx changed, the place to do it is at [[WT:AIR]]. Who knows, some of your ideas may be adopted. But as Nigel said, we aren't going to make exceptions for certain "popular" operators, as that is not fair to other countries. [[User:BilCat|BilCat]] ([[User talk:BilCat|talk]]) 21:19, 12 May 2021 (UTC)
 
== Semi-protected edit request on 27 September 2020 ==
 
{{edit semi-protected|Dassault Rafale|answered=yes}}
in : *** Thales TALIOS multi-function targeting pod in the future (F3R Standard)
delete "in the future (F3R Standard)" as th F3R standard has been qualified in 2019 [[User:Clavies|Clavies]] ([[User talk:Clavies|talk]]) 08:15, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
 
:{{DONE}} --[[User:McSly|McSly]] ([[User talk:McSly|talk]]) 12:38, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
 
== Semi-protected edit request on 20 March 2021 ==
 
{{edit semi-protected|Dassault Rafale|answered=yes}}
In the "Armament" section:
Change:
*** GBU-12 [[Paveway]] II, GBU-22 Paveway III, GBU-24 Paveway III, GBU-49 Enhanced Paveway II
 
To:
*** GBU-12 [[Paveway]] II, GBU-16 Paveway II, GBU-22 Paveway III, GBU-24 Paveway III, GBU-49 Enhanced Paveway II
 
(agg the GBU-16 in the list)
Source:
https://www.defense.gouv.fr/air/actus-air/le-standard-f3-r-du-rafale-desormais-pleinement-operationnel [[User:Clavies|Clavies]] ([[User talk:Clavies|talk]]) 18:21, 20 March 2021 (UTC)
 
:{{done}},Thanks for the request [[User:Clavies|Clavies]]. Value has been added. --[[User:McSly|McSly]] ([[User talk:McSly|talk]]) 22:46, 20 March 2021 (UTC)
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