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== Requested move 11 December 2022 ==
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:''The following is a closed discussion of a [[Wikipedia:Requested moves|requested move]]. <span style="color:red">'''Please do not modify it.'''</span> Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a [[Wikipedia:move review|move review]] after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion. ''
The result of the move request was: '''Moved''' per consensus. The opposers have no policies or guidelines behind them, and I give them very little weight. Thanks. <small>([[Wikipedia:Requested moves/Closing instructions#Closure by a page mover|closed by non-admin page mover]])</small> [[User:EchidnaLives|<span style="color:#b257f7">echidnaLives</span>]] - [[User talk:EchidnaLives|<span style="color:#fcaa3f">talk</span>]] - [[Special:Contributions/EchidnaLives|<span style="color:#3f78fc">edits</span>]] 03:35, 28 December 2022 (UTC)
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[[:Scarborough, Toronto]] → {{no redirect|Scarborough, Ontario}} – Per [[WP:CANPLACE]], formerly autonomous municipalities which have been amalgamated, but have kept a distinct municipal address, can be disambiguated as "Neighbourhood, Province". [[User:162 etc.|162 etc.]] ([[User talk:162 etc.|talk]]) 18:08, 11 December 2022 (UTC) <small>— '''''Relisting.''''' [[User:Tol|<span style="color:#f542d7">Tol</span>]] ([[User talk:Tol|talk]] | [[Special:Contribs/Tol|contribs]]) @ 05:18, 20 December 2022 (UTC)</small>
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*'''Support''' all. [[User:CambridgeBayWeather|CambridgeBayWeather]], [[User talk:CambridgeBayWeather|Uqaqtuq (talk)]], [[Special:Contributions/CambridgeBayWeather|Huliva]] 01:40, 12 December 2022 (UTC)
*'''Support'''. I've seen no evidence that either of the 2015 page moves actually took into account the real rule — which is that city neighbourhoods which are still recognized as distinct mailing addresses in their own right stay at the province level rather than being moved to the city level. For a person who lives in Scarberia, even to this day their mailing address is still Scarborough, ON rather than Toronto, ON. [[User:Bearcat|Bearcat]] ([[User talk:Bearcat|talk]]) 14:53, 12 December 2022 (UTC)
:* The rule is that they CAN stay with the Ontario disambiguator. Not that they must. Should every possible postal community be X, Province? No obviously.[[User:Alaney2k|Alaney2k]] ([[User talk:Alaney2k|talk]]) 00:06, 22 December 2022 (UTC)
* '''Don't support''' - While the rule says that articles CAN stay at the province level, I don't see a rationale FOR the move. Just because it is possible, is not a reason. There are literally dozens of former municipalities in Toronto. Carlton, Weston, Toronto Junction, Parkdale, Mimico, New Toronto, North York, East York, Islington, Rexdale, Downsview, Humber Bay, Etobicoke, York, and there were even villages within Scarborough. Just because you can address a letter to Scarborough, ON, doesn't mean it makes ANY sense to change the article title. People will think that Scarborough is separate from Toronto and it HAS NOT BEEN SEPARATE for over 20 ! years. The first line of the article will still say that Scarborough is a district of Toronto. [[User:Alaney2k|Alaney2k]] ([[User talk:Alaney2k|talk]]) 17:13, 12 December 2022 (UTC)
* '''Don't support''' - Editors of articles about neighborhoods in the 905 cities need to read this: They're full of neighborhoods that use the"Neighbourhood, Ontario" format because nearly everyone has a poor sense of municipal identity and still thinks of these places as towns or villages without question and don't even think of opening discussions like this.[[User:Transportfan70|Transportfan70]] ([[User talk:Transportfan70|talk]]) 19:15, 12 December 2022 (UTC)
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*::::Sorry i don't follow, how is it more appropriate when it's ''no longer'' used in in many contexts{{emdash}}unlike Scarborough—[[user:blindlynx|blindlynx]] 20:13, 20 December 2022 (UTC)
*'''Support''' - as someone who was born and raised in Scarborough, I really don't care about which disambiguator is used. Scarborough, Ontario is still very much common vernacular (nobody will say "Scarborough, Toronto", though they will acknowledge it is part of Toronto). What I do think may matter here is the fact that Scarborough isn't a neighbourhood. Cedarbrae, Malvern, Agincourt... Those are neighbourhoods. Scarborough is nothing now but a memory and a reference. It's a former place in Ontario, not a current place in Toronto... at least that's how I see it. I wouldn't agree to "East Whitby, Oshawa", and I feel the same idea applies here. - '''[[User:Floydian|Floydian]]''' <sup>[[User_talk:Floydian|<span style="color: #3AAA3A;">τ</span>]]</sup> <sub>[[Special:Contributions/Floydian|<span style="color: #3AAA3A;">¢</span>]]</sub> 17:39, 21 December 2022 (UTC)
:* No-one describes Scarborough as a neighbourhood, and several neighbourhoods as you describe were former postal villages too. It's best to leave out personal feelings and be objective. [[User:Alaney2k|Alaney2k]] ([[User talk:Alaney2k|talk]]) 00:06, 22 December 2022 (UTC)
*'''Weak support''' using the least precise geographical entity is probably best though Toronto may well be better known than Ontario. [[Fulwood, Lancashire]] (a former district, now in [[City of Preston, Lancashire|Preston]] district) is similarly disambiguated by "state" rather than district/city and [[Pinewood, Suffolk]] is also a municipality in [[Babergh District|Babergh]] district but in the town of [[Ipswich]] but is disambiguated by "state" rather than town. '''[[User:Crouch, Swale|<span style="color:Green">Crouch, Swale</span>]]''' ([[User talk:Crouch, Swale|<span style="color:Blue">talk</span>]]) 19:04, 24 December 2022 (UTC)
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==GA Reassessment==
{{Wikipedia:Good article reassessment/Scarborough, Ontario/1}}
== Scarborough, Ontario → Scarborough, Toronto ==
{{atopr|This is not a proper move discussion. If editors think it should be moved then [[Wikipedia:Requested moves]] is the correct venue. [[User:CambridgeBayWeather|CambridgeBayWeather]] (solidly non-human), [[User talk:CambridgeBayWeather|Uqaqtuq (talk)]], [[Special:Contributions/CambridgeBayWeather|Huliva]] 18:06, 13 May 2024 (UTC)}}
As the article itself states, Scarborough is a DISTRICT of Toronto. Hence, the name Scarborough, Ontario is misleading and counter-productive as it indicates that Scarborough is its own municipality, which it is not. Postal codes [[List of postal codes of Canada: M|under the letter M]] all count as Toronto, which includes all postal codes in Scarborough. Similarly, the Mayor of Toronto [[Mayor of Toronto#History|rules over Scarborough]] as well. The City of Toronto, Toronto Public Libraries, and Toronto Transit commission all operate in Scarborough, which means Toronto funding goes towards Scarborough. Not to mention, it is [[List of neighbourhoods in Toronto#Scarborough|Toronto's largest district]] by land. Overall, Scarborough is not it's own city, and does not need to be considered so under this Wikipedia title, especially considering its role towards the Toronto economy, culture, and people. [[User:Canadiancorrections|Canadiancorrections]] ([[User talk:Canadiancorrections|talk]]) 16:29, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
:'''Support''': I agree with the points raised and believe the name of the article should be reverted to "Scarborough, Toronto." The current title, "Scarborough, Ontario", is misleading as was discussed because it implies that Scarborough is an independent municipality within Ontario. However, this is not the case and hasn't been so since the [[Amalgamation of Toronto|amalgamation of Scarborough into Toronto in 1998]]. Furthermore, Scarborough residents are represented by Toronto City Councillors and Members of Provincial Parliament (MPPs) who serve the Scarborough area within the larger Toronto electoral district. We can even consider the category of [[:Category:Federal electoral districts of Toronto|federal electoral districts of Toronto]] for this conversation. Take the areas of:
:- [[Scarborough Centre (federal electoral district)|Scarborough Centre]]
:- [[Scarborough North (federal electoral district)|Scarborough North]]
:- [[Scarborough Southwest (federal electoral district)|Scarborough Southwest]]
:- [[Scarborough—Agincourt (federal electoral district)|Scarborough—Agincourt]]
:- [[Scarborough—Guildwood (federal electoral district)|Scarborough—Guildwood]]
:- [[Scarborough—Rouge Park (federal electoral district)|Scarborough—Rouge Park]]
:- [[Scarborough—Rouge River (federal electoral district)|Scarborough—Rouge River]]
:Each district listed lie under '''Toronto''' for the census division and subdivision. We can see a similar pattern when it comes to the [[:Category:Ontario federal electoral districts|electoral districts of Ontario]].
:Even beyond electoral districts, just looking at the breakdown of what the [[Greater Toronto Area]] is, Scarborough is not listed anywhere in the '''Municipalities in Greater Toronto Area and related CMAs''' table. Since Scarborough has been "Scarborough, Toronto" since the amalgamation, we don't see it designated as its own municipality in that table. It does not have its own "standing" when thinking about the GTA because it is part of Toronto. [[User:Ashenafee|Ashenafee]] ([[User talk:Ashenafee|talk]]) 17:34, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
:'''Oppose'''. The ", Ontario" suffix is not just for municipalities, it can be for any valid mailing address. For example, there are lots of communities that aren't in any municipality, as they're in unorganized areas. Also, due to amalgamations, you have lots of large municipalities in the province that have several distinct communities within them. I think it would be ridiculous to have the article on [[Lindsay, Ontario]] be moved to [[Lindsay, Kawartha Lakes]] just because it's not a municipality anymore. And I think the same applies to Scarborough. -- [[User:Earl Andrew|Earl Andrew]] - [[User talk:Earl Andrew|talk]] 17:42, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
::'''SUPPORT''' Thank you for bringing up mailing addresses! Those in Scarborough often receive mail that says "Toronto, ON." Both Scarborough and Toronto are valid to write for postal codes ending in M. As for Lindsay, small towns operate a bit differently than large metropolitan cities (in terms of public transport, community centres, etc.) , hence why the amalgamation of Toronto plays a crucial role in this title. [[User:Canadiancorrections|Canadiancorrections]] ([[User talk:Canadiancorrections|talk]]) 01:32, 11 May 2024 (UTC)
*'''Oppose'''. First and foremost, "Scarborough, Toronto" fails [[WP:COMMONNAME]]. See also [[WP:CANPLACE]], and the 2022 RM above. [[User:162 etc.|162 etc.]] ([[User talk:162 etc.|talk]]) 01:30, 10 May 2024 (UTC)
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