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== Scarborough, Ontario → Scarborough, Toronto ==
{{atopr|This is not a proper move discussion. If editors think it should be moved then [[Wikipedia:Requested moves]] is the correct venue. [[User:CambridgeBayWeather|CambridgeBayWeather]] (solidly non-human), [[User talk:CambridgeBayWeather|Uqaqtuq (talk)]], [[Special:Contributions/CambridgeBayWeather|Huliva]] 18:06, 13 May 2024 (UTC)}}
As the article itself states, Scarborough is a DISTRICT of Toronto. Hence, the name Scarborough, Ontario is misleading and counter-productive as it indicates that Scarborough is its own municipality, which it is not. Postal codes [[List of postal codes of Canada: M|under the letter M]] all count as Toronto, which includes all postal codes in Scarborough. Similarly, the Mayor of Toronto [[Mayor of Toronto#History|rules over Scarborough]] as well. The City of Toronto, Toronto Public Libraries, and Toronto Transit commission all operate in Scarborough, which means Toronto funding goes towards Scarborough. Not to mention, it is [[List of neighbourhoods in Toronto#Scarborough|Toronto's largest district]] by land. Overall, Scarborough is not it's own city, and does not need to be considered so under this Wikipedia title, especially considering its role towards the Toronto economy, culture, and people. [[User:Canadiancorrections|Canadiancorrections]] ([[User talk:Canadiancorrections|talk]]) 16:29, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
 
:'''Support''': I agree with the points raised and believe the name of the article should be reverted to "Scarborough, Toronto." The current title, "Scarborough, Ontario", is misleading as was discussed because it implies that Scarborough is an independent municipality within Ontario. However, this is not the case and hasn't been so since the [[Amalgamation of Toronto|amalgamation of Scarborough into Toronto in 1998]]. Furthermore, Scarborough residents are represented by Toronto City Councillors and Members of Provincial Parliament (MPPs) who serve the Scarborough area within the larger Toronto electoral district. We can even consider the category of [[:Category:Federal electoral districts of Toronto|federal electoral districts of Toronto]] for this conversation. Take the areas of:
:- [[Scarborough Centre (federal electoral district)|Scarborough Centre]]
:- [[Scarborough North (federal electoral district)|Scarborough North]]
:- [[Scarborough Southwest (federal electoral district)|Scarborough Southwest]]
:- [[Scarborough—Agincourt (federal electoral district)|Scarborough—Agincourt]]
:- [[Scarborough—Guildwood (federal electoral district)|Scarborough—Guildwood]]
:- [[Scarborough—Rouge Park (federal electoral district)|Scarborough—Rouge Park]]
:- [[Scarborough—Rouge River (federal electoral district)|Scarborough—Rouge River]]
:Each district listed lie under '''Toronto''' for the census division and subdivision. We can see a similar pattern when it comes to the [[:Category:Ontario federal electoral districts|electoral districts of Ontario]].
:Even beyond electoral districts, just looking at the breakdown of what the [[Greater Toronto Area]] is, Scarborough is not listed anywhere in the '''Municipalities in Greater Toronto Area and related CMAs''' table. Since Scarborough has been "Scarborough, Toronto" since the amalgamation, we don't see it designated as its own municipality in that table. It does not have its own "standing" when thinking about the GTA because it is part of Toronto. [[User:Ashenafee|Ashenafee]] ([[User talk:Ashenafee|talk]]) 17:34, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
 
:'''Oppose'''. The ", Ontario" suffix is not just for municipalities, it can be for any valid mailing address. For example, there are lots of communities that aren't in any municipality, as they're in unorganized areas. Also, due to amalgamations, you have lots of large municipalities in the province that have several distinct communities within them. I think it would be ridiculous to have the article on [[Lindsay, Ontario]] be moved to [[Lindsay, Kawartha Lakes]] just because it's not a municipality anymore. And I think the same applies to Scarborough. -- [[User:Earl Andrew|Earl Andrew]] - [[User talk:Earl Andrew|talk]] 17:42, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
::'''SUPPORT''' Thank you for bringing up mailing addresses! Those in Scarborough often receive mail that says "Toronto, ON." Both Scarborough and Toronto are valid to write for postal codes ending in M. As for Lindsay, small towns operate a bit differently than large metropolitan cities (in terms of public transport, community centres, etc.) , hence why the amalgamation of Toronto plays a crucial role in this title. [[User:Canadiancorrections|Canadiancorrections]] ([[User talk:Canadiancorrections|talk]]) 01:32, 11 May 2024 (UTC)
 
*'''Oppose'''. First and foremost, "Scarborough, Toronto" fails [[WP:COMMONNAME]]. See also [[WP:CANPLACE]], and the 2022 RM above. [[User:162 etc.|162 etc.]] ([[User talk:162 etc.|talk]]) 01:30, 10 May 2024 (UTC)
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