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Line 1: {{essay\|WP:HAMMER\|WP:CRYSTALHAMMER\|WP:HAMMERTIME\|WP:STOPHAMMERTIME\|WP:TPHL}} {{nutshell\|If you don't even know the name of an upcoming album, you probably don't know enough about it to write an article.}} {{quotebox\|align=left\|qalign=center\|width=100%\|fontsize=12\|title=[[User:TenPoundHammer\|TenPoundHammer]]'s Law\|quote=''If the name and track order of a future album are not yet known, the album is very likely to have its page [[WP:AFD\|deleted]] from Wikipedia.''}} [[File:~~Thor~~Mårten Eskil Winge - Tor's Fight with the Giants - Google Art Project.jpg\|thumb\|right\|If you do not want to feel the holy wrath of [[User:TenPoundHammer\|the thunder god]], then do not title the article "[name of artist]'s [nth] studio album".]] '''[[User:TenPoundHammer\|TenPoundHammer]]'s Law''': If the name and track order of a future album are not yet known, the album is very likely to have its page [[WP:AFD\|deleted]] from Wikipedia. Pages of this sort usually take the naming convention "[name of artist]'s [nth] studio album". There are occasional exceptions to this law, as sometimes a future album ''will'' contain enough verifiable information for a decent article even if the title is not known.<ref>For example, ''[[In Rainbows]]'' had a fully fledged article before its name was announced, because the page already contained sufficient sourced information for an article.</ref> But if all you can do is [[WP:CRYSTAL\|look into a crystal ball]] or base your information off rumors posted to message boards, blogs or MySpace, then it's best ''not'' to create a page on the album until you've got something more to say. Wikipedia [[Wikipedia:There is no deadline\|isn't going anywhere]]; it's not going to hurt you to wait.<ref>Also consider the fact that arguments like "''everybody'' knows it will be put out soon" or "this is going to be [name of artist]'s biggest album", or worst of all, "you just hate [name of artist], don't you?" don't hold water.</ref>▼ ▲~~'''[[User:TenPoundHammer\|TenPoundHammer]]'s Law''': If the name and track order of a future album are not yet known, the album is very likely to have its page [[WP:AFD\|deleted]] from Wikipedia.~~ Pages of this sort usually take the naming convention "[name of artist]'s [nth] studio album". There are occasional exceptions to this law, as sometimes a future album ''will'' contain enough verifiable information for a decent article even if the title is not known.<ref>For example, ''[[In Rainbows]]'' had a fully fledged article before its name was announced, because the page already contained sufficient sourced information for an article. Similarly, ''[[Chinese Democracy]]'' had sufficient content to warrant an article years before a track listing was finalized.</ref> But if all you can do is [[WP:CRYSTAL\|look into a crystal ball]] or base your information off rumors posted to message boards, blogs, or ~~MySpace~~Facebook, then it's best ''not'' to create a page on the album until you've got something more to say. Wikipedia [[Wikipedia:There is no deadline\|isn't going anywhere]]; it's not going to hurt you to wait.<ref>Also consider the fact that arguments like "''everybody'' knows it will be put out soon" or "this is going to be [name of artist]'s biggest album", or worst of all, "you just hate [name of artist], don't you?" don't hold water.</ref> And if that wasn't enough, exacerbating the issue even more is that if the article is [[WP:AfD\|nominated for deletion]], performing [[WP:BEFORE\|the relevant pre-checks for sources online]] is made extremely difficult by the fact that, ''by definition'', no genuine search term exists. This also applies to discographies; please try to refrain from listing "TBD" in a list of the band's albums, unless of course the album is actually ''called'' "TBD".<ref> One of many examples [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Deep_Purple&diff=prev&oldid=535548619 here]</ref> Again, it won't hurt you to wait. ==Other applications== [[File:Claw-hammer.jpg\|thumb\|200px\|left\|Other media aside from music can also be susceptible to the hammer of [[WP:AfD]]]] By extension, TenPoundHammer's law can also refer to any future subject for which a name is not yet known and no [[WP:V\|verifiable information]] from [[WP:RS\|reliable sources]] yet exists.<ref>[[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Wii 2]] is the first deletion discussion to cite this essay beyond the scope of albums.</ref> This might include "future" [[video game]]s,<ref>In particular those which [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Primeval: New Dawn\|~~video~~have ~~games~~not even started their funding campaign]],</ref> [[movies]], computer hardware, [[Video game console\|consoles]], books, [[DVD-Video\|DVD]]s, [[software]] and other types of media and products. It can even apply to a future band whose name and final members aren't known.,<ref>Yes, that actually happened; see [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:TenPoundHammer&diff=294248703&oldid=294215865 this comment]</ref> proposed constitutions,<ref>[[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Next constitution of Zimbabwe]]</ref> or professional sports teams that do not know what league they will play in.<ref>See [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Carolina Silverhawks]]</ref> It could also apply to speculation about potential or theoretical, but undiscovered, chemicals.<ref>See the discussions at [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Nitrofullerenes]] and [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ununoctium fluoride]].</ref> ==Footnotes== Line 11 ⟶ 16: ==See also== [[WP:CRYSTAL\|Wikipedia is not a crystal ball]] [[{{section link\|Wikipedia:Notability (music)#Albums]]}} *[[~~pt:~~Wikipedia:~~Lei do~~Shirt58's ~~Martelo~~Law]]▼ {{DEFAULTSORT:TenPoundHammer's Law}} ▲[[pt:Wikipedia:Lei do Martelo]] [[Category:Wikipedia essays]] [[Category:Wikipedia essays about deletion]]