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== "Modern-day" Roman Catholic View of Exorcisms ==
 
I changed (and reverted) the Roman Catholic section to note that the Rite of Exorcism was renewed in January of 2000, as the previous versions impressed that the practice of exorcism is outdated in the Church. Quite the contrary - though advances in the sciences have aided in the differentiation between demonic possession and mental illness, as Roman Catholics are aware, it indeed remains a recognized and accepted practice of the Church. For a better flow in the article, I also moved the historical information regarding the position of exorcist.
 
Also, the Second Vatican Council should be capitalized; it is a title, such as the Council of Trent.
 
17:17, 26 August 2005
 
The article mentions that, often, it is necessary to perform weekly exorcisms over a number of years to remove especially entrenched demons. It would be good to know how much money the Catholic church expects to receive for each application of the exorcism ritual. [[User:John Paul Parks|John Paul Parks]] ([[User talk:John Paul Parks|talk]]) 17:28, 10 December 2016 (UTC)
:It doesn't cost anything, just as it wouldn't cost anything to have a priest give you the last rites, or to hear you in confession, or anything else. It's part of a priest's duties. It's also extremely rare. [[User:BillsYourUncle|BillsYourUncle]] ([[User talk:BillsYourUncle|talk]]) 18:42, 10 December 2016 (UTC)
 
== On the Nature of the Jinn ==
 
The Followingfollowing paragraph in the section... "On the nature of the Jinn", needs a citation from a reliable Islamic source:
 
A Jinn might also do it for revenge. Jinn areis said to be quick to anger, especially when they believe themselves to have been harmed on purpose (since Jinn areis usually invisible to humans, a person can accidentally injure a Jinni not knowing that one is there).
--[[User:Haroon_nizar|Haroon Nizar]]--
 
This section should be removed and any appropriate material moved to the Jinn entry.
 
Archive bot tag. [[User:Balon Greyjoy|Balon Greyjoy]] ([[User talk:Balon Greyjoy|talk]]) 12:42, 20 April 2022 (UTC)
 
== in Islam ==
 
The Hanbali sect is the main Sunni sect that believes in Jinn being capable of possessing humans and exorcism. Otherwise, the 3 other sunniSunni sects don't believe in that.
 
I removed the section on removing Jinn by vising graves and wearing amulets. It is a controversial topic, not adopted by orthodox Islam, and has no references attached
 
Archive bot tag. [[User:Balon Greyjoy|Balon Greyjoy]] ([[User talk:Balon Greyjoy|talk]]) 12:42, 20 April 2022 (UTC)
 
== A cross reference is needed ==
 
Since the page mentions the movie of The Exorcist, the page of
 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edward_Hughes
 
should be cross -referenced in my view.
 
To my knowledge, all the cases of the angry ghosts or devils attacking the worldly human beings are the direct consequececonsequence of the inproperimproper human's action incurred to them in the past.
 
In the case of Edward Hughes encountered in 1949, which I noticed is 4 years after the World War II and I'm 90% sure that the devil is the victim or collective angry consciousness related to the World War II if one closely watches the movie and pay attention to what is scarred on the boy's chest. Again, karma will never stop manifesting what has happened and will happen to the world. As long as a human being has ego views on enemies, war will never end.
 
Archive bot tag. [[User:Balon Greyjoy|Balon Greyjoy]] ([[User talk:Balon Greyjoy|talk]]) 12:42, 20 April 2022 (UTC)
 
== Phrase? ==
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This phase does not sound good at all
 
"theThe Holy Water especially is comparable to acid to the demon."
 
Archive bot tag. [[User:Balon Greyjoy|Balon Greyjoy]] ([[User talk:Balon Greyjoy|talk]]) 12:42, 20 April 2022 (UTC)
 
== ExamplesScience ==
 
Interview+Innuendo does not equal science. The section on science needs to be reviewed. [[Special:Contributions/71.193.43.251|71.193.43.251]] ([[User talk:71.193.43.251|talk]]) 21:50, 18 April 2022 (UTC)
 
:I don't know which source you mean, anyway, for mainstream science exorcism is a superstitious and delusional practice. [[User:tgeorgescu|tgeorgescu]] ([[User talk:tgeorgescu|talk]]) 23:06, 18 April 2022 (UTC)
::I didn't know "mainstream science" was so opinionated lol. [[Special:Contributions/2603:9008:2101:E2F3:B55C:7CA2:59D9:C8A5|2603:9008:2101:E2F3:B55C:7CA2:59D9:C8A5]] ([[User talk:2603:9008:2101:E2F3:B55C:7CA2:59D9:C8A5|talk]]) 15:57, 24 August 2024 (UTC)
:::Mental illness is not caused by demons. We're no longer in the Middle Ages to believe that. And, yup, I can grant you that there was no scientific experiment which has proven that demons don't exist. The paradigm of "mental illness is caused by demons" has been abandoned, a la Thomas Kuhn, not falsified, a la K.R. Popper. [[User:tgeorgescu|tgeorgescu]] ([[User talk:tgeorgescu|talk]]) 07:56, 25 August 2024 (UTC)
 
== Edit Request ==
 
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* '''What I think should be changed''':not calling the Anointing and blessing of individuals by Members of The church Of Jesus Christ Of Latter Day Saints Exorcisms.
 
== Examples ==
 
* '''Why it should be changed''':(Note:I am new to Edits for Wikipedia)I am a member of The Church Of Jesus Christ Of Latter Day Saints,The Anointing and blessing of those who are sick or afflicted is simply a blessing of healing and guidence to those who ask for the blessing,it is not an "Exorcism" as the article and possibly others may describe,while i do understand that others of different religions,and other christians may see it as a "Exorcism",it is not,there have been instances were people of other religions,and other christians,have acknowledged the priesthood within members of the Church Of Jesus Christ Of Latter Day Saints and asked for help when they needed it,wither they wanted more guidance,or maybe in the persons religion or family doesn't acknowledge or believe in exorcisms or Demonic Possession.
The New Zealand case of a "Makutu lifting" should not be included. This was a family suffering from a combination of poor education, low intelligence, mental illness and superstitution. There was no proper basis for any suspicion of demonic possession. What they called a makutu lifting was simply torture. Please remove this "example of an exorcism".
 
== External links modified ==
 
"Healing the Sick" From the April 2010 Talk Given by:Elder Dallin H. Oaks Of the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles
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"This principle is taught in the revelation directing that the elders of the Church shall lay their hands upon the sick. The Lord’s promise is that “he that hath faith in me to be healed, and is not appointed unto death, shall be healed” (D&C 42:48; emphasis added). Similarly, in another modern revelation the Lord declares that when one “asketh according to the will of God … it is done even as he asketh” (D&C 46:30).14"
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[[User:Isaiah.M.J|Isaiah.M.J]] ([[User talk:Isaiah.M.J|talk]]) 13:43, 25 April 2023 (UTC) Isaiah.M.J
Cheers.—[[User:InternetArchiveBot|'''<span style="color:darkgrey;font-family:monospace">InternetArchiveBot</span>''']] <span style="color:green;font-family:Rockwell">([[User talk:InternetArchiveBot|Report bug]])</span> 05:36, 28 December 2016 (UTC)
:Hi {{u|Isaiah.M.J}}, I understand what you are saying, and this is covered under the article [[anointing of the sick]]. The references provided gives more specifics regarding these practices with respect to exorcisms: [https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/religion-and-american-culture/article/abs/satan-mourns-naked-upon-the-earth-locating-mormon-possession-and-exorcism-rituals-in-the-american-religious-landscape-18301977/F6239202C070D319B6B97E5C01D8943D] (I don't have access to this one, but you can see the abstract) as well as this source from BYU [https://old-wp.byu-dept-maxwellinstitute-prd.amazon.byu.edu/mip-71-taysom/]. Given these sources, what are your thoughts? I am marking this request as addressed; to re-open it, remove the "|A" in the {{tl|request edit}} template above. '''[[User:Spencer|<span style="color:#082529">Spencer</span>]]'''<sup>[[User talk:Spencer|<span style="color:#FFBF00">T•</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Spencer|<span style="color:#FFBF00">C</span>]]</sup> 21:16, 28 April 2023 (UTC)
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