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Gadsby is arguably little known in Australia other than for her dispute with Barry Humphries, which has been the subject of very extensive reporting since his recent death. Yet this article makes no mention of the topic. This will need to be remedied. [[User:Observoz|Observoz]] ([[User talk:Observoz|talk]]) 03:21, 28 April 2023 (UTC)
:Based on the content and sources in the article, Gadsby appears to be well-known in Australia as a comedian, writer, and actor. The content you recently added appears to conflict with [[WP:NPOV]] policy [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Hannah_Gadsby&diff=prev&oldid=1152086032], to include [[WP:OR|original research]] and content unsupported by the source [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Hannah_Gadsby&diff=next&oldid=1152086032], and what remained after editing appears to be [[WP:UNDUE]], based on the references and in the context of the article [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Hannah_Gadsby&diff=next&oldid=1152086223].
:Per [[WP:BLPBALANCE]], we should {{tq|not give [[Wikipedia:Neutral point of view#Undue weight|disproportionate space]] to particular viewpoints; the views of small minorities should not be included at all. Care must be taken with [[Wikipedia:Neutral point of view#Article structure|article structure]] to ensure the overall presentation and section headings are broadly neutral.}} What appears to be limited 2023 coverage of Gadsby being [https://www.perthnow.com.au/technology/internet/entertainment-reporter-peter-ford-resurrects-cruel-tweets-made-by-hannah-gadsby-about-barry-humphries--c-10433126 e.g.] in 2019 "among a number of former winners who campaigned for the award to be renamed after Humphries made multiple contentious comments about transgender people" (and writing a 2018 tweet reported in 2023 by an entertainment reporter) does not seem [[WP:DUE]] in this article, and neither the 2019 campaign nor the 2018 tweet appear to be mentioned in the [[Barry Humphries]] article. [[User:Beccaynr|Beccaynr]] ([[User talk:Beccaynr|talk]]) 03:51, 28 April 2023 (UTC)
== Pronouns ==
I am still seeing a majority of sources using she/her pronouns. If someone can prove otherwise, or provide a source for an explicit statement about pronouns, then we can adjust accordingly.
On 3 April, an IP editor from Tanzania changed pronouns to they/them, without supporting sources.[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Hannah_Gadsby&diff=1147999481&oldid=1147506072] Following that, {{u|Beccaynr}} added two insufficient sources to support the pronoun changes.[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Hannah_Gadsby&diff=next&oldid=1148018165] The two sources do not contain an explicit statement from Gadsby or her management about pronouns.
The pronoun swapping activity included changing [https://www.stylist.co.uk/people/nanette-hannah-gadsby-autism-tv-comedy-netflix/218114 this ''Stylist'' article title] from "her" to "their", which is wrong. Many other media sources were wrongly altered. We should never change the quoted sources. [[User:Binksternet|Binksternet]] ([[User talk:Binksternet|talk]]) 12:44, 24 May 2023 (UTC)
* Hi {{u|Binksternet}}, while I agree that quoted sources and headlines should not be changed without clearly indicating a change was made (e.g. with brackets) and I appreciate you noticing this happened, I also quickly reverted the more extensive pronoun changes you made throughout the article according to [[WP:BLP]] policy and [[MOS:GENDERID]]; this is a [[WP:CT/GG|contentious topic]]. I think we can review the sources and make adjustments as needed to ones that have been changed without clear indications of change. However, according to [[MOS:GENDERID]], we should {{tq|Refer to any person whose gender might be questioned with gendered words [...] that reflect the person's ''most recent'' expressed gender self-identification as reported in the most recent reliable sources, even if it does not match what is most common in sources.}} These most recent sources include:
:* Gadsby's publisher, [https://sites.prh.com/hannah-gadsby Penguin Random House]: "Multi-award-winning Hannah Gadsby broke comedy with their show Nanette when they declared that they was quitting stand-up. Now, they take us through the defining moments in their life..."
:* From their [https://hannahgadsby.com.au/ website], Gadsby's Global and Australia managment, [https://token.com.au/artist/hannah-gadsby/ Token]: "Hannah has managed to stay pretty busy. They have done two more solo stand up shows which toured the world [...] They also squeezed in hosting a gala at the Montreal Just For Laughs comedy festival, launched a New York Times Best Selling Memoir..."
:* [https://variety.com/2022/tv/news/hannah-gadsby-netflix-deal-special-1235384098/#! Variety] Sept 26, 2022 e.g. "...they will tape their a new stand-up special for the streamer..."
:* [https://www.vulture.com/2022/09/hannah-gadsby-netflix-stand-up-specials.html Vulture] Sept 26, 2022: e.g. "One of the complaints Gadsby made in their response to Sarandos's 2021 comments was that Netflix didn't pay them "nearly enough to deal with the real world consequences of the hate speech dog whistling.""
:* [https://www.netflix.com/tudum/articles/hannah-gadsby-something-special Netflix] Apr 26 2023: "comedy — has changed a lot since Hannah Gadsby released their genre-pushing special ''Nanette'' [...] but delightfully, their dauntless, cutting approach to comedy has not. [...] what they call their first feel-good romantic comedy show..."
:* [https://apnews.com/article/hannah-gadsby-something-special-netflix-486e5d4ac0ec9ccf170c703f627decc9 AP] May 8 2023: "Gadsby, who uses the pronoun they"
:* [https://www.nbcnews.com/nbc-out/out-pop-culture/hannah-gadsby-tricked-christian-baker-making-gay-wedding-cake-rcna83356 NBC News] May 15 2023: "the Australian comedian, who uses they/them pronouns"
:* [https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-05-17/-time-to-start-ruffling-feathers-again-hannah-gadsby/102357648 ABC AU] May 16 2023: "they're back with a new Netflix stand-up special [...] Gadsby is in a fresh stage of their comedy career"
I will see what I can do to review and adjust sources and quotes that may have been changed in the various back-and-forths that have happened on this article between various editors. In the meantime, please let me know if you have any questions or concerns. Thank you, [[User:Beccaynr|Beccaynr]] ([[User talk:Beccaynr|talk]]) 13:51, 24 May 2023 (UTC)
:::The only explicit statement is from NBC News. You must cite NBC News for the statement about pronouns. Inferring is not enough. [[User:Binksternet|Binksternet]] ([[User talk:Binksternet|talk]]) 15:19, 24 May 2023 (UTC)
:Hi {{u|Binksternet}}, we have two sources (AP and NBC News) that make the explicit statement you requested, as well as sources controlled by Gadsby (management and publisher), and a variety of reliable sources since September 2022 using they/them pronouns. I had been about to add a note to this talk page to mention I had reviewed all of the sources in the article for changes and made adjustments to quotes to help ensure that any changes made were clearly identified - I had not made those changes previously and agree with you that they should not have been made without some kind of clear indication. I also noticed that headlines do not appear to be changed in the current sources, and 'her' pronouns appear to be retained in the original headlines - this may be a question for the BLP Noticeboard for what to do, but I do not plan to change the headlines without further guidance on that detail. In the meantime, please do not continue to revert the pronouns - I think it is clear based on multiple reliable sources that Gadsby uses they/them pronouns and [[WP:BLP]] policy as well as [[MOS:GENDERID]] supports inclusion of these pronouns. Thank you, [[User:Beccaynr|Beccaynr]] ([[User talk:Beccaynr|talk]]) 15:26, 24 May 2023 (UTC)
== Again pronouns ==
We have an issue with this article. They is quoted as referring to themselve as "myself". What is going on here? Plus, this doesn't rise to the level of protective editing. The definition of "they" as used is now in the Webster dictionary with no way to recall all previous editions. Obviously, the current edition trumps so what is the problem,? That is just our opinion. [[User:Stjoan1|Stjoan1]] ([[User talk:Stjoan1|talk]]) 18:20, 13 December 2023 (UTC)
:The re-addition [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Hannah_Gadsby&diff=prev&oldid=1189796307] of disputed content [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Hannah_Gadsby&diff=prev&oldid=1189789690] to add a dictionary definition source in the lead of this article for the word they [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Hannah_Gadsby&diff=prev&oldid=1189789261] does not appear necessary or appropriate according to the [[MOS:NEOPRONOUN]] section of [[MOS:GENDERID]]; this disputed content was initially added with the edit summary "First use of singular pronoun "they" linked to Webster Dictionary to support it's use as valid. I would have linked to the actual definition in Webster but is way down in paragraph D.".{{pb}}According to [[MOS:NEOPRONOUN]], "Singular ''they'' pronouns are appropriate to use in reference to a person who goes by them." Therefore, I think the dictionary definition should be removed as unnecessary and contrary to [[WP:GENDERBLP]]; as noted in the talk page section above, the use of the singular they pronoun in this article is well-sourced and supported by the MOS. Thank you, [[User:Beccaynr|Beccaynr]] ([[User talk:Beccaynr|talk]]) 02:57, 14 December 2023 (UTC)
::I added the comment above shortly after the disputed addition was removed by Stjoan1 (thank you). To expand on my general thinking: from my view, this seems more broadly related to the [[MOS:NEOPRONOUN]] guideline, and a discussion better suited for the [[WT:MOSBIO|Biography Manual of Style talk page]]. There was a November 2022 [[Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style/Biography/2022_archive#Neopronouns_RfC_(moved)|Neopronouns RfC]] which does not suggest a need for defining the use of a singular ''they'' with a dictionary. There seems to be a broad acceptance for the use of the singular ''they'' in biographical articles, without presenting the use as a potentially invalid term and in need of a dictionary reference to support the use. Consenus can change, and a forum to broadly address the validity of the singular ''they'' in biographical articles could be the [[WT:MOSBIO|Biography Manual of Style talk page]]. Thank you, [[User:Beccaynr|Beccaynr]] ([[User talk:Beccaynr|talk]]) 01:25, 15 December 2023 (UTC)
== Semi-protected edit request on 7 March 2024 ==
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Correct the [[Alok]] link in the ''Hannah Gadsby's Gender Agenda'' section to [[Alok Vaid-Menon]]. [[Special:Contributions/203.211.79.73|203.211.79.73]] ([[User talk:203.211.79.73|talk]]) 10:12, 7 March 2024 (UTC)
:Thanks IP, the Alok link has been fixed per existing article reference. [[User:JennyOz|JennyOz]] ([[User talk:JennyOz|talk]]) 11:13, 7 March 2024 (UTC)
== "She" in second sentence ==
Is there a reason for this? Assume it should be "They" but just want to make sure I'm not missing anything. [[User:Narfmaster|Narfmaster]] ([[User talk:Narfmaster|talk]]) 15:33, 1 May 2024 (UTC)
:@[[User:Narfmaster|Narfmaster]] This has been addressed. I think we can archive this post. [[User:Seananony|Seananony]] ([[User talk:Seananony|talk]]) 23:54, 22 August 2024 (UTC)
::Lovely. 👍 [[User:Narfmaster|Narfmaster]] ([[User talk:Narfmaster|talk]]) 07:15, 23 August 2024 (UTC)
== Semi-protected edit request on 9 July 2024 ==
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Change Hannah Gatsby's pronouns from she/her to they/them. [[Special:Contributions/24.56.229.253|24.56.229.253]] ([[User talk:24.56.229.253|talk]]) 16:32, 9 July 2024 (UTC)
[[File:Red information icon with gradient background.svg|20px|link=|alt=]] '''Not done:''' please provide [[Wikipedia:Reliable sources|reliable sources]] that support the change you want to be made.<!-- Template:ESp --> [[User:PianoDan|PianoDan]] ([[User talk:PianoDan|talk]]) 17:22, 9 July 2024 (UTC)
:There are several RS already in the article. I just reverted a mass change from they/them to she/her that {{u|Psteinb}} recently did. [[User:Cerebral726|<b style="font-family:Times New Roman; color:#008080"> ''Cerebral726'' </b>]][[User talk:Cerebral726|<b style="font-family:Times New Roman; color:#3e4f73">''(talk)''</b>]] 17:26, 9 July 2024 (UTC)
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