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== Is every track listing for each edition necessary? ==
== "Midnight Rain (Taylor Swift song)" listed at [[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|Redirects for discussion]] ==
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An editor has identified a potential problem with the redirect [[:Midnight Rain (Taylor Swift song)]] and has thus listed it [[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|for discussion]]. This discussion will occur at {{slink|Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 January 16#Midnight Rain (Taylor Swift song)}} until a consensus is reached, and readers of this page are welcome to contribute to the discussion. <!-- from Template:RFDNote --> [[User:UpdateWindows|Tantomile]] ([[User talk:UpdateWindows|talk]]) 09:34, 16 January 2023 (UTC)
 
:Redirect has been changed to [[Midnight Rain (song)]] [[User:UpdateWindows|UpdateWindows]] ([[User talk:UpdateWindows|talk]]) 23:11, 16 January 2023 (UTC)
 
== "Snow on the Beach" is the second single from Midnights ==
 
As mentioned earlier on this talk page, someone who works at Billboard confirmed that "Snow on the Beach" would be promoted to AAA radio back in November (https://twitter.com/gthot20/status/1588265840863940609). This account only uses the phrase "now being promoted" when songs are officially impacting radio; not to mention that the phrase implies promotion from a record label anyway. Sure enough, the song was the most added song on that format the following week (https://web.archive.org/web/20221109070747/https://hitsdailydouble.com/mediabase_adds_details&fmt=R1). "Snow on the Beach" entered Billboard's Adult Alternative Airplay chart in December, peaked at #30 in January, and charted for 9 weeks total (https://www.billboard.com/artist/taylor-swift/chart-history/aaa). No, AllAccess didn't provide a radio impact date for this song, but the same can be said for "[[Message in a Bottle (Taylor Swift song)|Message in a Bottle]]". It's undoubtedly a single.
[[Special:Contributions/71.234.178.78|71.234.178.78]] ([[User talk:71.234.178.78|talk]]) 20:20, 14 February 2023 (UTC)
 
I am opening this for a consensus discussion but I don’t believe that the ''Til Dawn Edition'' tracks need listed as it seems a bit redundant as “Hits Different” is on the ''Lavender Edition'' and “Snow on the Beach (ft. More Lana Del Rey)” and “Karma (ft. Ice Spice)” is on the ''Late Night Edition'' so I just don’t think the ''Til Dawn Edition'' tracks are necessary to mention as it’s mentioned it was released and is in the release history and it doesn’t make any significant difference. But that’s me. [[Special:Contributions/2600:1015:B127:726B:445E:63B6:DEF5:44B5|2600:1015:B127:726B:445E:63B6:DEF5:44B5]] ([[User talk:2600:1015:B127:726B:445E:63B6:DEF5:44B5|talk]]) 00:43, 10 June 2023 (UTC)
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== Semi-protected edit request on 2622 MayAugust 2023 ==
 
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Hi, bejeweled is also a single. It has a music video in Taylor's official YouTube channel [[Special:Contributions/124.195.197.243|124.195.197.243]] ([[User talk:124.195.197.243|talk]]) 15:58, 22 August 2023 (UTC)
:[[File:Red question icon with gradient background.svg|20px|link=|alt=]] '''Not done:''' it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a [[WP:EDITXY|"change X to Y" format]] and provide a [[Wikipedia:Reliable sources|reliable source]] if appropriate.<!-- Template:ESp --> [[User:M.Bitton|M.Bitton]] ([[User talk:M.Bitton|talk]]) 16:19, 22 August 2023 (UTC)
 
== Christgau removal ==
Could someone add this archive link for ''The Late Night Edition'' digital download source? http://web.archive.org/web/20230527000615/https://store.taylorswift.com/products/midnights-the-late-night-edition-digital-album
:[[File:Red information icon with gradient background.svg|20px|link=|alt=]] '''Not done for now:'''<!-- Template:ESp --> Where do you want to add it? Why is this [[WP:EL|external link]] necessary? [[User:Lightoil|Lightoil]] ([[User talk:Lightoil|talk]]) 04:34, 27 May 2023 (UTC)
 
RE [https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:MobileDiff/1175459734 this]:
:Seeing as Taylor’s official store is used as a reference in the “Release History” section and its only available for a limited time the original link will expire and be deleted so the archive url is a screen grab and back up as with any limited time release she puts out the page gets deleted and is no longer available. [[Special:Contributions/2600:1015:B115:E9B0:D55D:DD8F:ECD:3489|2600:1015:B115:E9B0:D55D:DD8F:ECD:3489]] ([[User talk:2600:1015:B115:E9B0:D55D:DD8F:ECD:3489|talk]]) 04:41, 27 May 2023 (UTC)
Are you kidding me? There are two huuuge paragraphs of praise, about 6 to 8 looong sentences each. And one tiny bit from [[Xgau]] of all people can't be included to a paragraph that barely goes into anyone's reservations? Incredulous. [[User:Teflon Peter Christ|𝒮𝒾𝓇 𝒯𝑒𝒻𝓁𝑜𝓃]] ([[User talk:Teflon Peter Christ|talk]] &#124; [[Special:Contributions/Teflon Peter Christ|contribs]]) 12:38, 15 September 2023 (UTC)
 
It was brought up that the wording is vague. I think any reader with a basic understanding of the English language can parse out for themselves the meaning of this, which to me basically means that because the music is more textured than the otherwise usually tune-focused Swift has done, it is consequently less distinct. On the other hand, it could also be interpreted as more textured music led to less focused (or more confused) lyrics. But I think the former reading is more likely. Either way, to argue that this is vague and yet such summaries as "the sound could have been better" or the production was "redundant" (neither getting into any more specifics, ... it's silly. And the other sources, with all due respect, are either not as notable or not as engagingly written, or summarized, in that paragraph. And the writing should be engaging. I'm pretty sure there's a guideline or an essay on better writing (on Wikipedia) that mentions that... [[User:Teflon Peter Christ|𝒮𝒾𝓇 𝒯𝑒𝒻𝓁𝑜𝓃]] ([[User talk:Teflon Peter Christ|talk]] &#124; [[Special:Contributions/Teflon Peter Christ|contribs]]) 14:54, 15 September 2023 (UTC)
== Bejeweled is a single ==
I think "Bejeweled" needs to be moved to an official single on Wikipedia as it received multiple radio adds throughout the world alongside an official video. [[User:BiebersBoyMendes|BiebersBoyMendes]] ([[User talk:BiebersBoyMendes|talk]]) 12:30, 29 May 2023 (UTC)
 
:Hi. I figure you are attempting to include Xgau because you are a fan of his work. The Critical Reception section has enough reviews and anymore reviews, be it Xgau or anybody else, are not required. Midnights is a year-old album and Xgau's review is also as old. The other reviews were added here first when the article was being created, with which the article passed [[WP:GA]]. The Critical Reception section is fine in its current size, so [[WP:AINT|do not fix what's not broken]]. Please quit the [[WP:POINT|point-making]] edits. "There are two huuuge paragraphs of praise, about 6 to 8 looong sentences each" is factually false. The first para is praise, the second para focuses on specific comments about the album and the third the mixed comments. Considering the album has a metascore of 85%, the prose is obliged to be 85% positive and 15% mixed and that's exactly how it is right now. The critical reception section, in its current state, is commensurate with the metascore. [[User:Ronherry|'''<span style="font-family:Cursive; color:#6be9fa; padding: 2px" lang="en">ℛonherry</span>''']][[User talk:Ronherry|'''<span style="color:#fadaa7">☘</span>''']] 21:25, 15 September 2023 (UTC)
: {{ping|BiebersBoyMendes}} I think the reason it's not regarded as a single is because although it received some radio spins (as did many other songs from ''Midnights'' during release week), it wasn't actively released and promoted to radio in any region. A music video is not always an indicator for a single. — [[User:Peterpie123rww|Peterpie123rww]] ([[User talk:Peterpie123rww|talk]]) 13:11, 29 May 2023 (UTC)
::Hmmmm [[User:Teflon Peter Christ|𝒮𝒾𝓇 𝒯𝑒𝒻𝓁𝑜𝓃]] ([[User talk:Teflon Peter Christ|talk]] &#124; [[Special:Contributions/Teflon Peter Christ|contribs]]) 00:11, 16 September 2023 (UTC)
 
== Should it be listed as More Lana Del Rey even on wikipedia? ==
== Semi-protected edit request on 31 May 2023 ==
 
Just seems like an odd way to handle it, especially without details why it’s written that way. Some new people could look at it as actually featuring an artist called More Lana Del Rey [[Special:Contributions/47.223.58.232|47.223.58.232]] ([[User talk:47.223.58.232|talk]]) 18:23, 30 June 2024 (UTC)
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Under Studio album by Taylor Swift
The location of Blue Plate (Hamworth) is spelled wrong. (the link is correct)
Please correct the spelling to Haworth, From Hamworth. [[Special:Contributions/69.114.89.176|69.114.89.176]] ([[User talk:69.114.89.176|talk]]) 01:02, 31 May 2023 (UTC)
: {{ESp|d}} [[User:RudolfRed|RudolfRed]] ([[User talk:RudolfRed|talk]]) 03:25, 31 May 2023 (UTC)