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Line 58: A lot of “21st century xxxx sportsmen” categories are being added to athletes whose careers ended in the 20th century. Is this appropriate? Once a sportsman, always one? Seems like unless the person is still active as a coach, executive, etc they shouldn’t appear in those categories, but perhaps others have a differing opinion [[User:Rikster2\|Rikster2]] ([[User talk:Rikster2\|talk]]) 20:54, 11 November 2024 (UTC) :If no other opinions, I will continue to remove the century sportsmen/sportswomen category for which the individual was not active. [[User:Rikster2\|Rikster2]] ([[User talk:Rikster2\|talk]]) 18:06, 24 November 2024 (UTC) == Discussion at [[:File talk:Backboard shattering.jpeg#Tag\|File talk:Backboard shattering.jpeg § Tag]] == Line 76 ⟶ 77: :::I'm not a fan of trying to avoid wrapping as everyone's device is different – phones, laptops, different browsers etc. I understand that the official team logo has "S.E. Melbourne Phoenix", but general driveby readers shouldn't have to look elsewhere to find out what "S.E." stands for. I have never seen "R.G. Valley Vipers" be used to avoid that name wrapping. [[User:DaHuzyBru\|DaHuzyBru]] ([[User talk:DaHuzyBru\|talk]]) 12:11, 24 November 2024 (UTC) ::::The page name should be used. Don’t want to see people following this example and starting to use “LA Lakers” and the like. [[User:Rikster2\|Rikster2]] ([[User talk:Rikster2\|talk]]) 15:54, 24 November 2024 (UTC) ::::Yep, that's fine. Will just use S.E. Melbourne for team pages and maps only on main pages. [[User:Alextigers\|Alextigers]] ([[User talk:Alextigers\|talk]]) 05:17, 25 November 2024 (UTC) == BRFA overlapping WikiProjects Basketball & College basketball == Line 82 ⟶ 84: :The two projects have different scopes. WP:College basketball covers (primarily American) college basketball, while WP:Basketball covers professional leagues other than the National Basketball Association (NBA), FIBA play and anything else about the sport not explicitly covered by the other 2 basketball projects (college basketball and NBA). It is expected there will be some overlap, with an example being a player who plays college basketball then has a professional career in Spain. [[User:Rikster2\|Rikster2]] ([[User talk:Rikster2\|talk]]) 15:49, 24 November 2024 (UTC) ::Yes, I expect there to be some overlap. However, <syntaxhighlight lang="wikitext" inline>{{WikiProject Basketball\|women=yes}}</syntaxhighlight> was blanketly added to all women's basketball, college and professional. Instead, <syntaxhighlight lang="wikitext" inline>{{WikiProject Women's sport\|basketball=yes}}</syntaxhighlight> should have been added to pages without {{tl\|WikiProject Basketball}}, since there is no {{para\|women}} parameter for {{tl\|WikiProject College basketball}}.   <b>~</b> <span style="font-family:Monotype Corsiva; font-size:16px;">[[User:Tom.Reding\|Tom.Reding]] ([[User talk:Tom.Reding\|talk]] ⋅[[WP:DGAF\|dgaf]])</span>  15:57, 24 November 2024 (UTC) :::I'm only a light participant here. ~~Bur~~But I'n not aware of the Basketball project explictly stating it's more of a men's basketball project. In any event, each project can decide their own scope per [[WP:PROJSCOPE]].—[[User:Bagumba\|Bagumba]] ([[User talk:Bagumba\|talk]]) 16:15, 24 November 2024 (UTC) :::@[[User:Tom.Reding\|Tom.Reding]]: Can you state explicitly what was done that you are unsure should have been done? Is it that women's college basketball topics don't also need to be tagged under WikiProject Basketball? —[[User:Bagumba\|Bagumba]] ([[User talk:Bagumba\|talk]]) 16:28, 24 November 2024 (UTC) ::::I don't think these and other similar edits should have happened: [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template_talk%3AMontana_State_Bobcats_women%27s_basketball_navbox&diff=1244029259&oldid=1233743510][https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Category_talk%3AMontana_State_Bobcats_women%27s_basketball_seasons&diff=1243976932&oldid=1233743468][https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Category_talk%3AMontana_Lady_Griz_basketball_seasons&diff=1243976922&oldid=1233743328], which I think is confirmed by this discussion.   <b>~</b> <span style="font-family:Monotype Corsiva; font-size:16px;">[[User:Tom.Reding\|Tom.Reding]] ([[User talk:Tom.Reding\|talk]] ⋅[[WP:DGAF\|dgaf]])</span>  17:37, 24 November 2024 (UTC) :::::Yes, in those examples WP:Basketball is not needed. Those are purely college basketball topics and WP:College basketball is sufficient [[User:Rikster2\|Rikster2]] ([[User talk:Rikster2\|talk]]) 17:49, 24 November 2024 (UTC) ::::::[[Wikipedia:WikiProject Basketball/Women's basketball#Scope]] should be updated then. It has: {{tq2\| ::::::Professional basketball, including the WNBA and other countries' top leagues ::::::US college basketball at the D1 level as well as other divisions of US College basketball}} ::::::—[[User:Bagumba\|Bagumba]] ([[User talk:Bagumba\|talk]]) 17:58, 24 November 2024 (UTC) :::::::I agree that it should be rewritten. I’m not sure who wrote it, but I don’t remember a consensus discussion around it. WP:Basketball doesn’t deal with college hoops at all. [[User:Rikster2\|Rikster2]] ([[User talk:Rikster2\|talk]]) 18:04, 24 November 2024 (UTC) ::::::::Seems to have been there from Day 1.[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:WikiProject_Basketball/Women%27s_basketball&oldid=567841293] A lot of stuff doesn't go through formal consensus; no problem, fix issues once they're detected. —[[User:Bagumba\|Bagumba]] ([[User talk:Bagumba\|talk]]) 18:11, 24 November 2024 (UTC) * given the fact that it was caused (partially) by my bot, I feel responsible. I'm willing to help in any capacity that I can. —usernamekiran [[User talk:usernamekiran\|(talk)]] 16:56, 24 November 2024 (UTC) : I can do it. It'll let me apply some cosmetic cleanup.   <b>~</b> <span style="font-family:Monotype Corsiva; font-size:16px;">[[User:Tom.Reding\|Tom.Reding]] ([[User talk:Tom.Reding\|talk]] ⋅[[WP:DGAF\|dgaf]])</span>  17:37, 24 November 2024 (UTC) :: {{Done}}. Pages tagged with {{tl\|WikiProject National Basketball Association}} were avoided, as well as some professional bios & mixed-use venues.   <b>~</b> <span style="font-family:Monotype Corsiva; font-size:16px;">[[User:Tom.Reding\|Tom.Reding]] ([[User talk:Tom.Reding\|talk]] ⋅[[WP:DGAF\|dgaf]])</span>  12:30, 6 December 2024 (UTC) WP:College Basketball is not just men’s. It includes women’s college basketball as well. [[User:Rikster2\|Rikster2]] ([[User talk:Rikster2\|talk]]) 17:05, 24 November 2024 (UTC) ::I will be able to provide you the requested lists on 27-28 Nov I think. —usernamekiran [[User talk:usernamekiran\|(talk)]] 18:10, 24 November 2024 (UTC) :[[College basketball in the Philippines]], while initially influenced by the Americans, is not a part of [[WP:CBBALL]], so it falls under this {[[WP:B-BALL]]) project. Philippine college basketball articles usually follow guidelines set by US projects, but some are adjusted to the Philippine experience. I'd suggest to keep off the Philippine college basketball articles for now, up until it is agreed that they are included in [[WP:CBBALL]]. [[User:Howard the Duck\|Howard the Duck]] ([[User talk:Howard the Duck\|talk]]) 00:50, 1 December 2024 (UTC) ::There may be confusion as the U.S. has the [[NCAA]], but the Philippines also has the similarly named [[NCAA (Philippines)]]. These are different organizations and act independently of each other. While the US NCAA can be said to be a governing body, the Philippine NCAA is more of like a "conference" in US sporting terminology, but with quite better powers than US conferences do. [[User:Howard the Duck\|Howard the Duck]] ([[User talk:Howard the Duck\|talk]]) 00:57, 1 December 2024 (UTC) == BIG 3 consistency? == Hello, I was looking through some articles specifically [[Gary Payton]], [[Allen Iverson]], [[Rashad McCants]], [[George Gervin]], [[Nick Young (basketball)]], etc. Some have big 3 as part of their information, some as part of their infobox, some have none at all. I don't want to edit them just to start an edit war, but I do want consistency. What's the resolution on Big 3? Should it be present? Should it be in the infobox? Tell me so I know which pages should edit [[User:Remi1771\|Remi1771]] ([[User talk:Remi1771\|talk]]) 00:32, 1 December 2024 (UTC) :Past discussions have said it shoudn't be in the infobox nor opening paragraph, and possibly not in the lead altogether ([[Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Basketball/Archive 11#BIG3\|1]] [[Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Basketball/Archive 13#BIG3\|2]]) —[[User:Bagumba\|Bagumba]] ([[User talk:Bagumba\|talk]]) 14:33, 1 December 2024 (UTC) == Brandon Johns, Jr. == Can anyone tell me if Brandon Johns had done anything that would rise to the level of an infobox highlight during his international play to date.-[[User:TonyTheTiger\|TonyTheTiger]] <small>([[User talk:TonyTheTiger\|T]] / [[Special:Contributions/TonyTheTiger\|C]] / [[WP:FOUR]] / [[WP:CHICAGO]] / [[WP:WAWARD]])</small> 04:31, 3 December 2024 (UTC)