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:::::@[[User:Chipmunkdavis|Chipmunkdavis]] thanks for bringing that example for helping me find an NPOV description of whatever this is. [[User:Borgenland|Borgenland]] ([[User talk:Borgenland|talk]]) 14:26, 29 August 2024 (UTC)
::::::Yes. The referendum is not conducted by UN or other official bodies but [[self-determination]] process. Not unanimous indeed but unilateral. That's why it's called SELF-referendum. You are right as well @[[User:Gråbergs Gråa Sång|Gråbergs Gråa Sång]] on the "About self" stuff. The keyword surrounding the article is "SELF". That's all I know. [[User:War Term|Wår]] ([[User talk:War Term|talk]]) 16:18, 29 August 2024 (UTC)
:::::::And self-referendum seems to be a word he made up for the occasion, as in a referendum he is handling. [[User:Gråbergs Gråa Sång|Gråbergs Gråa Sång]] ([[User talk:Gråbergs Gråa Sång|talk]]) 16:57, 29 August 2024 (UTC)
::::I agree, there doesn't seem to be any significant impact of this referendum and the numbers seems completely fabricated — this could be a section on Ekpa's page but the questionable truth and low level of reporting calls the notability into doubt. [[User:Watercheetah99|Watercheetah99]] ([[User talk:Watercheetah99|talk]]) 16:23, 29 August 2024 (UTC)
:::::It's entirely an Ekpa-thing, yes. The only thing people know about it is what he says. [[User:Gråbergs Gråa Sång|Gråbergs Gråa Sång]] ([[User talk:Gråbergs Gråa Sång|talk]]) 16:39, 29 August 2024 (UTC)
:I note also that the current cite for the 30 million thing is this [https://nationalsecurityjournal.org/the-next-administration-must-keep-an-eye-on-nigeria/], whatever that is. However, they make clear that their source is this:[https://dailypost.ng/2024/05/31/biafra-brgie-claims-30m-voted-during-self-referendum/]. This is not good-faith editing, this is [[WP:ADVOCACY]] editing. [[User:Gråbergs Gråa Sång|Gråbergs Gråa Sång]] ([[User talk:Gråbergs Gråa Sång|talk]]) 16:57, 29 August 2024 (UTC)
::@[[User:Gråbergs Gråa Sång|Gråbergs Gråa Sång]]
::The 30 million also came from [https://orb-international.com/keep-an-eye-on-the-biafran-self-referendum/ ORB International] [[User:War Term|Wår]] ([[User talk:War Term|talk]]) 17:13, 29 August 2024 (UTC)
:::Yes. Did you read what it says on this particular data-point? Did you mention that in the article? [[User:Gråbergs Gråa Sång|Gråbergs Gråa Sång]] ([[User talk:Gråbergs Gråa Sång|talk]]) 18:14, 29 August 2024 (UTC)
::::Yea.
::::just added it on the timeline section of the article. [[User:War Term|Wår]] ([[User talk:War Term|talk]]) 18:26, 29 August 2024 (UTC)
:::::But you didn't write "Ekpa says 30 million" in the [[WP:LEAD]] or the infobox. [[User:Gråbergs Gråa Sång|Gråbergs Gråa Sång]] ([[User talk:Gråbergs Gråa Sång|talk]]) 18:30, 29 August 2024 (UTC)
::::::Because the inline Citation is [https://nationalsecurityjournal.org/the-next-administration-must-keep-an-eye-on-nigeria/ National security journal] and it would be redundant to write "Ekpa says" and it's somewhat absurd. Why would you want it written "Ekpa says" since the inline Citation says "Biafra Republic Government in Exile held a referendum..."? Must Ekpa be on the Lead? He's already on the body of the article section [[Biafra Referendum#Timeline|Biafra_Referendum#Timeline]]. [[User:War Term|Wår]] ([[User talk:War Term|talk]]) 18:38, 29 August 2024 (UTC)
:::::::And that source says
:::::::''"[https://dailypost.ng/2024/05/31/biafra-brgie-claims-30m-voted-during-self-referendum/ Thirty million voted], a greater number than those who cast ballots in Nigeria’s most recent presidential elections."''
:::::::Link in original. IMO that is quite clear, and WP-text should make it clear, in the [[WP:LEAD]] and elsewhere. Putting this in the infobox per that origin is unnecessary and possibly misleading to readers. [[User:Gråbergs Gråa Sång|Gråbergs Gråa Sång]] ([[User talk:Gråbergs Gråa Sång|talk]]) 19:01, 29 August 2024 (UTC)
::It's still inclusive till the Finland convention. Don't know if independent poll media like [[ORB survey of Iraq War casualties]] will at some point give update like in [[Iraq]].Things can change rapidly though. [[User:War Term|Wår]] ([[User talk:War Term|talk]]) 17:07, 29 August 2024 (UTC)
== Lead ==
I don't understand the reasoning [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Biafra_Referendum&curid=77671507&diff=1244445763&oldid=1244302826 here], the [[WP:LEAD]] is explicitly meant to repeat the body. If there is something not in the body, it should be removed. [[User:Chipmunkdavis|CMD]] ([[User talk:Chipmunkdavis|talk]]) 12:58, 7 September 2024 (UTC)
:Correct. The possible argument would that the removed bits aren't "most important contents." [[User:Gråbergs Gråa Sång|Gråbergs Gråa Sång]] ([[User talk:Gråbergs Gråa Sång|talk]]) 13:20, 7 September 2024 (UTC)
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