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== Main image change ==
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:Seek consensus first. I have reverted this change. <b>[[User:GSK|GSK]]</b> <small>([[User_talk:GSK|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/GSK|edits]])</small> 19:18, 7 September 2024 (UTC)
:Well then should we change it [[User:Wcamp9|Wcamp9]] ([[User talk:Wcamp9|talk]]) 19:12, 10 September 2024 (UTC)
:Your right in my honest opinion! [[Special:Contributions/2600:1002:B1AE:67AE:5D14:770D:7A40:5611|2600:1002:B1AE:67AE:5D14:770D:7A40:5611]] ([[User talk:2600:1002:B1AE:67AE:5D14:770D:7A40:5611|talk]]) 00:18, 11 November 2024 (UTC)
[[Special:Contributions/24.204.196.71|24.204.196.71]] ([[User talk:24.204.196.71|talk]]) 14:35, 9 September 2024 (UTC)▼
== Infobox Image ==
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:::4 has been used in the past and is my choice.--'''''[[User:ianmacm|<span style="background:#88b;color:#cff;font-variant:small-caps">♦Ian<span style="background:#99c">Ma<span style="background:#aad">c</span></span>M♦</span>]] <sup>[[User_talk:ianmacm|(talk to me)]]</sup>''''' 07:09, 16 October 2024 (UTC)
::7 is my pick per the SNUGGUMS arguments. I think it is more recent and more recognisable than image #4 [[User:TheWikiholic|TheWikiholic]] ([[User talk:TheWikiholic|talk]]) 14:51, 17 October 2024 (UTC)
:::Ok [[User:Wcamp9|Wcamp9]] ([[User talk:Wcamp9|talk]]) 20:09, 20 October 2024 (UTC)
::I oppose #7; it doesn't have a clear view of his face due to his sunglasses. #3, #4, and #8 are disqualified for the same reason. #5, #6, and #9 have strange expressions. #10 is good, but not ideal because of a poor view of his face. #1 has good potential if cropped, and #2 is probably the best overall despite his atypical outfit. My favorite of all is [[:File:Michael Jackson 1983.jpg]], mentioned above, if it survives copyright challenges. — [[User:Goszei|Goszei]] ([[User_talk:Goszei|talk]]) 15:40, 21 October 2024 (UTC)
:I support #7, and I agree with @[[User:SNUGGUMS|SNUGGUMS]]'s statement. Although I don't think it is imperatively necessary to change the current image; but if it were to be done, I think #7 is the only suitable one, and it is a good option for the future considering, among other reasons, that it is in color.
:Apart from that, I am going to give my opinion on why I think some of the others are not valid at all. The optimal thing to do in a case like Jackson's, considering that he is one of the most public people the world knew and that it is easy for anyone to recognize him, is to choose a picture that represents what he is known for (i.e. music artist); that's why it is not appropriate to use as the main picture something that is part of his non-artistic life, like [[:File:Michaeljacksonmug1 (cropped).jpg|the mugshot]] or #2 (where he is not exercising as an entertainer, and he is not even wearing clothes that represent his artistic persona, just as if it were a picture at home in his pyjamas. It's a picture with close friends where he's wearing a [[Hilton Hotels & Resorts|Hilton Hotels]] cap...). I consider picture #6 to be of very low quality taking into account the other options and I don't find #3 and #8 to be good choices, because they show Jackson in his last years of life, and it is always preferable (as has been done in other cases, such as Queen [[Elizabeth II]]) to choose a picture from the "in-between" part of the subject's life. #1, #4, #5, #5, #7 and #10 are valid and appropriate pictures to be used as the main picture in this article, but I consider #7 and #10 (the one currently used) to be the best choices considering that they are better representing Jackson at an in-between time in his life. [[User:Salvabl|Salvabl]] ([[User talk:Salvabl|talk]]) 02:12, 24 October 2024 (UTC)
::I disagree, number 10 is the lowest qauality picture of Jackson, and each of the reasons you give make sense, but a side profile of Jackson that is low quality does not make for a better representation of the subject in most cases. I thought we should have done 2, but 4 and 7 are fine too, with all in high quality color [[User:Wcamp9|Wcamp9]] ([[User talk:Wcamp9|talk]]) 18:27, 26 October 2024 (UTC)
::How would i go about acquiring the right to use a image of him for this page? Who do i contact? [[User:Never17|Never17]] ([[User talk:Never17|talk]]) 00:58, 1 November 2024 (UTC)
:The most famous photo we have is the one set during the Dangerous world tour in his Jam outfit, however there's apparently issues with that one. Of the remaining options, his estate currently uses a image of MJ from the Bad world tour as his profile picture across their social media platforms but the one we got is in black in white and not very high quality. The only other option i think would be suitable is #7 as it's a photo of him receiving the artist of the decade award at the white house in high quality. This was set between the Bad and Dangerous era's of his career when he was at his arguable peak and is fitting for his biographical page. [[User:Never17|Never17]] ([[User talk:Never17|talk]]) 03:52, 29 October 2024 (UTC)
: In my opinion, the press photo from 1983 <small>(Michael Jackson 1983.jpg) </small> should be used, it's well-lit, copyright free and is arguably of the highest quality of all of the images there.[[User:PHShanghai|PHShanghai | they/them]] ([[User talk:PHShanghai|talk]]) 00:32, 21 November 2024 (UTC)
::That will work [[User:Never17|Never17]] ([[User talk:Never17|talk]]) 01:23, 21 November 2024 (UTC)
:::@[[User:Never17|Never17]] Please don't change the photo without consensus. [[User:Alyo|<span style="font-variant:small-caps">Alyo</span>]] ''([[User talk:Alyo|<b style="font-family:courier; font-size:small">chat</b>]]·[[Special:Contributions/Alyo|<b style="font-family:courier; font-size:small">edits</b>]])'' 01:30, 21 November 2024 (UTC)
::::I didn't change anything, i just agreed with what the other guy said [[User:Never17|Never17]] ([[User talk:Never17|talk]]) 03:10, 21 November 2024 (UTC)
:::::I have no idea how to do it, but can someone start an RfC or something that will have a more significant way to change it [[User:Wcamp9|Wcamp9]] ([[User talk:Wcamp9|talk]]) 21:04, 8 December 2024 (UTC)
::::::I would love to find someway to acquire copyright rights for some high quality images to use for this page, i don't know how to do that though. Maybe a admin here would know [[User:Never17|Never17]] ([[User talk:Never17|talk]]) 21:28, 8 December 2024 (UTC)
== wrong date ==
Ghosts was Premiered at 1997 Cannes Film Festival, not 1996 [[User:Nomoresambo|Nomoresambo]] ([[User talk:Nomoresambo|talk]]) 15:38, 4 November 2024 (UTC)
== Cause of Death ==
Since a criminal trial was held and the judge came to a decision that Jackson's death wasn't a accident but a result of criminal homicide (murder), should we add a note or something to let people know this wasn't a accidental overdose but a murder? We also have lots of reports stating Jackson was mostly healthy at the time of his death which lead to the decision.
[https://www.spin.com/2011/11/conrad-murray-sentenced-four-years-prison-death-michael-jackson/ This was “'''a criminal homicide case'''” rather than a malpractice case, the judge said.]
[https://www.theguardian.com/music/2009/aug/28/michael-jackson-homicide Michael Jackson's death officially ruled a homicide - The Guardian]
[https://www.cbsnews.com/news/autopsy-michael-jackson-was-healthy/ Michael Jackson was healthy at the time of death, rules Autospy Report]
[[User:Never17|Never17]] ([[User talk:Never17|talk]]) 18:43, 5 November 2024 (UTC)
:Conrad Murray was convicted of [[Manslaughter_(United_States_law)#Involuntary_manslaughter|involuntary manslaughter]]. This isn't a cause of death, which is correctly stated in the infobox here as acute propofol intoxication. Over at [[Death of Michael Jackson]], the infobox gives the cause of death as "Accidental homicide by acute propofol intoxication". This is perhaps more accurate and could be added to the infobox. Jackson was not murdered, because Murray's actions were considered to be negligent or reckless rather than a deliberate act.--'''''[[User:ianmacm|<span style="background:#88b;color:#cff;font-variant:small-caps">♦Ian<span style="background:#99c">Ma<span style="background:#aad">c</span></span>M♦</span>]] <sup>[[User_talk:ianmacm|(talk to me)]]</sup>''''' 20:08, 5 November 2024 (UTC)
::Got it, i agree [[User:Never17|Never17]] ([[User talk:Never17|talk]]) 20:30, 5 November 2024 (UTC)
:A homicide but not a murder. Any illegal causing of human death is a homicide, which is then divided into categories. All murders are homicides, but not all homicides are murders. This was legally a homicide but was not a murder. [[Special:Contributions/2600:1011:B023:AC6E:19E9:4C7A:2DF4:1A4C|2600:1011:B023:AC6E:19E9:4C7A:2DF4:1A4C]] ([[User talk:2600:1011:B023:AC6E:19E9:4C7A:2DF4:1A4C|talk]]) 02:33, 14 November 2024 (UTC)
== Wrong link to "robot" in the intro ==
Should be linked to [[Robot (dance)]]; instead it's linked to the page for actual robots. [[Special:Contributions/2601:188:C801:4FF0:C0E2:D238:FB34:848C|2601:188:C801:4FF0:C0E2:D238:FB34:848C]] ([[User talk:2601:188:C801:4FF0:C0E2:D238:FB34:848C|talk]]) 02:11, 14 November 2024 (UTC)
:{{done}} thank you for pointing out that error! [[User:SNUGGUMS|<b style="color:#009900">SNUGGUMS</b>]] ([[User talk:SNUGGUMS|<b style="color:#009900">talk</b>]] / [[Special:Contributions/SNUGGUMS|<b style="color:#009900">edits</b>]]) 02:19, 14 November 2024 (UTC)
== Middle name ==
I have seen in various sources that his legal middle name was "Joe" rather than "Joseph" (and the Michael-is-alive people point to "Joseph" on the death certificate as evidence he did not really die). But does anyone have a RS for his actual middle name, one way or the other? [[Special:Contributions/2600:1011:B023:AC6E:19E9:4C7A:2DF4:1A4C|2600:1011:B023:AC6E:19E9:4C7A:2DF4:1A4C]] ([[User talk:2600:1011:B023:AC6E:19E9:4C7A:2DF4:1A4C|talk]]) 02:38, 14 November 2024 (UTC)
== Child molestation allegations. ==
Leaving Never Land, testimony from his victims [[Special:Contributions/2603:7000:BEF0:2B60:D82C:3BE3:EE9D:F1C5|2603:7000:BEF0:2B60:D82C:3BE3:EE9D:F1C5]] ([[User talk:2603:7000:BEF0:2B60:D82C:3BE3:EE9D:F1C5|talk]]) 07:25, 1 December 2024 (UTC)
:Jackson's allegations have their own page, furthermore the "accusers" were people who had previously defended him under oath in a court of law or to law enforcement and various contradictions were exposed. They are largely discredited, the only case that is a point of contention is the 1993 accusation due to the nature of the settlement. That in fact is mentioned in depth here [[User:Never17|Never17]] ([[User talk:Never17|talk]]) 01:51, 9 December 2024 (UTC)
It’s already covered: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Jackson#Posthumous_child_sexual_abuse_allegations
BTW, please note that its’ only ”alleged victims”. Journalists have uncovered several contradictions (and possible untruths) in the Leaving Neverland film (you can give this podcast a listen, then make up your own mind: https://www.michaeljacksoncaseforinnocence.com). <!-- Template:Unsigned IP --><small class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/37.96.7.161|37.96.7.161]] ([[User talk:37.96.7.161#top|talk]]) 22:03, 2 December 2024 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
== Forbes 2024 ==
Hi,
Forbes just re-elected Michael Jackson as top-earning Dead Celebrity.
Could someone with editing rights please update 2023 to 2024 in
''Forbes has consistently recognized Jackson as one of the top-earning dead celebrities since his death, and placed him at the top spot from 2013 to 2023.''
Source: https://www.forbes.com/sites/lisettevoytko/2024/10/29/the-highest-paid-dead-celebrities-of-2024/
▲Thank you! :-) [[Special:Contributions/
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