Talk:Donald Trump: Difference between revisions

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::Sorry, but none of the grounds of your comments or those of the revision have any logical basis at all. Feel free to add your input but claiming "there is nothing to discuss" is neither productive nor helpful. [[User:Domiy|Domiy]] ([[User talk:Domiy|talk]]) 03:04, 21 April 2022 (UTC) '''UPDATE''' - the removal of my edits is also a brech of rule 43 cited in the Consensus section.
::: The resolution is to follow collaborative editing principles and avoid edit warring, IOW follow [[WP:BRD]]. Your BOLD edit was REVERTED, so now stick to DISCUSSION. Do not try to force your preferred version. We always favor the status quo version until a consensus forms to change it, so discuss your way toward that goal. -- [[User:Valjean|Valjean]] ([[User talk:Valjean|talk]]) ('''''[[Help:Notifications|PING me]]''''') 03:35, 21 April 2022 (UTC)
::::OK, thanks for the clarification. I'm happy to open a discussion on these edits (here or elesewhere?) as I believe they are more informative, neutral, and accurate than the current version, which I would like to point out (again) '''does not currently have a status quo consensus'''. This is important to note as my wording does not violate any agreed consensus, so it should not be deemed as a challenge to the "status quo".
::::Happy to hear any objections from other users, however I find attitudes like that of [[User:Zaathras|Zaathras]] extremely unhelpful.
::::Thanks again [[User:Domiy|Domiy]] ([[User talk:Domiy|talk]]) 03:55, 21 April 2022 (UTC)
:The bulk of your changes seem to have been taking factual statements and qualifying them with {{tq|was criticized for...}} or words to that effect; this is inappropriate per the [[WP:NPOV]] requirement that we must {{tq|avoid stating facts as opinions}}. If you feel that those statements are contested by high-quality sources, you need to demonstrate that. Also, you changed {{tq|promoted misinformation about unproven treatments...}} to {{tq|publicly discussing unproven treatments}}; this makes the article less accurate, since the sources largely emphasize that he actively ''promoted'' misinformation about those unproven treatments, rather than just discussing them. Also, your addition of {{tq|However, his administration eventually oversaw the introduction of the US vaccine rollout}} has numerous problems; first, there's no indication that this aspect is significant (it isn't mentioned in the article that I can see, likely because the amount that his administration actually did was minimal and his own personal involvement was largely confined to the earlier points); and second, the "however" phrasing presents it as a rebuttal / retort to the facts above, which is [[WP:SYNTH]]y even if you could justify inclusion. --[[User:Aquillion|Aquillion]] ([[User talk:Aquillion|talk]]) 03:47, 21 April 2022 (UTC)