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Recently [[User:Neo Purgatorio]] changed a lot of opening articles to go from explicitly mentioning the move number to implicitly using a numbered list to get it (e.g. [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Sokolsky_Opening&diff=prev&oldid=1225213428 diff], so <nowiki>:1. Na3 vs. # Na3</nowiki>). We discussed it a bit on their talk page. I realized that it doesn't look like [[WP:CHESS]] currently has any guidelines or suggestions on how to display moves? Anyway, I think that maybe we should have such a guideline added.
 
I think it should recommend the existing style and discourage the numbered list style. Reasoning: chess moves are not really a numbered list. The move number is a primary part of the text, not just a count of items - imagine if there's 4 buildings with names prepended with "1/2/3/4", we wouldn't use a numbered list but rather include these as part of the name. It is surprising and confusing to go into edit source and have the move numbers "disappear". Additionally, most browsers copy & paste will exclude numbered list counts, which is explicitly ''not'' desired. Try going to [[Descriptive_notation#Example]] and copy pasting the move list (which uses the numbered list style); you'll end up with no move numbers. TheyCopy-pasting a directly written version works fine, though. The two styles display basically identically, so why would we want to go with the harder-to-edit, harder-to-copy version? (Also, machine ingestion is mostly not our problem, but automatic analysis of text also probably wants to see the move numbers explicitly.) And while it can be worked around, it's extra-annoying to use a numbered list style if the move list doesn't start at 1 (doable, but why are we doing this extra work again?). I don't really see any advantages of using the numbered list style, but I'll let Neo Purgatorio or others make the case for why they're worth considering. [[User:SnowFire|SnowFire]] ([[User talk:SnowFire|talk]]) 15:48, 23 May 2024 (UTC)