Talk:Alice in Chains

Jar of flies

Jar of flies should be in the discography. 100.12.138.225 (talk) 19:12, 10 August 2022 (UTC)

Discography sections are for studio albums only. 4TheWynne (talk • contribs) 01:13, 11 August 2022 (UTC)

It is listed in the correct place, here, Compilation albums - FlightTime (open channel) 01:17, 11 August 2022 (UTC)

This is kind of a special case, as these EPs are basically considered studio albums. There was a prior discussion about it that went ignored (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Alice_in_Chains/Archive_2#Sap_and_Jar_of_Flies_should_be_added_under_Discography ). It should imo be considered to make an exception here and list the EPs in the section. --FMSky (talk) 03:56, 11 August 2022 (UTC) I'm pinging @Xanarki: as hes the one who started the original discussion --FMSky (talk) 11:11, 11 August 2022 (UTC)

I don't think that we should be making exceptions for some bands/artists and not others, and think it makes even less sense to make exceptions for only certain releases and not others as was suggested in the above discussion that unfortunately went overlooked; it will probably end up just circling back to the fact that there's a perfectly adequate discography list linked in the section. Unless you wanted to put a little more detail in the lead section, I don't see why anything needs to be done. 4TheWynne (talk • contribs) 05:56, 11 August 2022 (UTC)

Thanks @FMSky: no idea how I missed this. Indeed, both of the EPs should be added to the Discography due to their relevance and how the band views them.

@4TheWynne: I absolutely think we should make exceptions for bands/artists and not others. This is because every band/artist has a different career from one another. We can't apply the "ONLY LPs allowed period" universally. You may or may not have seen my prior examples, but if not, here are some examples to prove my point: The Beatles (1 EP and 1 compilation listed under their discography), Led Zeppelin (1 compilation listed under their discography), Peter Frampton (at least 2 live albums listed under his discography), L7 (1 EP listed under their discography), Guns n' Roses (1 EP listed under their discography though its classification has been debated), and Nine Inch Nails (3 EPs listed under their discography).

All except 1 of those examples were NOT done by me, which means other people here have the same opinion to an extent. I haven't added the AiC EPs yet because, due to their popularity, I really wanted some sort of discussion first. If you still need reasons as to why these 2 EPs are significant, I urge you to re-read my old post here. Xanarki (talk) 16:26, 10 October 2022 (UTC)

I agree with 4TheWynne "I don't think that we should be making exceptions for some bands/artists and not others." - FlightTime (open channel) 17:44, 10 October 2022 (UTC)

Why exactly? I'd like for you to expand on this though. It doesn't really make any sense to me, because everyone has had a different career. I know he said that it would "probably end up just circling back", but that's not true at all, because of the agreements made on the talk pages. Would you go and revert all of the aforementioned examples in that case? All of those examples were discussed prior to inclusion, and agreed upon, and that suffices. So why not here too?

Because of what has already happened on Wikipedia (as seen with the examples I gave among others), it's kind of past the point of questioning the process. Unless you wanted to go restart the numerous discussions on those other artists' pages. Xanarki (talk) 18:03, 10 October 2022 (UTC)

Some bands use EPs as kind of longplay singles, compilation albums, or some kind of filler. Alice in Chains used EPs as proper fully realized projects. Jar of Flies being the first EP to go number one on Billboard supports this idea.

Theyre are artists who have never released a studio album and only singles. There are artists who have only released EPs. I think consideration should be given to the context of the discography. After all, what are these categories for but to organize? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 47.44.179.242 (talk) 02:25, 12 July 2023 (UTC)

I agree. Both Sap and Jar of Flies should be listed. But I didn't get any replies to my questions above, and there seems to be a lack of discussion about it. Apparently, the only argument is "full-lengths allowed only and no exceptions", which is an archaic reason at this point. Maybe in the future we can re-try the discussion and try to pull in comments from a WikiProject. Xanarki (talk) 03:26, 12 July 2023 (UTC)